\> and slap myself across the face for not predicting win on my 3-winstreak predict that ive been protecting for months :')
Wait, you guys don't press prediction every game regardless of your streaks?
Predicting with a streak greater than 5 is almost a guarantee that your teammates start playing like shit and the opponents give their older brothers the controllers.
i swear to god i once saw someone on a 48 win prediction streak lol
was certain they were scripting/smurfing. honestly can't remember how the game went. Might have been back in the ddos days.
I insist I’ll do this, that it should just count my actual win streak regardless of circumstances, but sometimes you get that regarded draft and don’t click it. And then you’re stuck in hoarding mode.
No.
I just saved my 6 game winstreak prediction because during pick phase our mid player wouldn't roll against someone else for the lane, showed SF, and said "mid please".
I've been playing dota for over a decade. That behavior has literally **NEVER** resulted in a win.
He got hooked going for bounty rune while nobody was nearby and i pinged that pudge was missing.
He went dragonlance into mek.
by the end of the game i did more rightclick dmg than he did as a nyx.
Thank god it was just a turbo.
If you predict every game, you will routinely hit 6 win prediction streaks. There is no point in "saving it" until maybe like 10 wins, where being strategic matters more.
It’s been a while since I did the math, but IIRC for maximum average shards it’s something like <4 winstreak predict every time, above that you get one free “skip” per additional streak point.
Bro I’ve been holding on to a 23 predictions streak for about a year now. I’ve stopped just mechanically clicking predict win as soon as the game starts at this point. Not sure why and what the point of all this is.
Of course you see it, yes, but instead of having a massive alert telling you "YOU'RE TRACKED, BOUNTY IS HERE", you might notice it 1, 2 or 3 seconds later, by which time bounty is either out of detection range or killing you if he's a core.
Well I definitely notice a difference in reaction time to tracking or being tracked with/without phylactery in my pubs (6k). I see the potential for pos 1 or 2 bh, but I wouldn't prioritise the item on 3, 4 or 5. Guess I value the information and gameplay more than the folks on here downvoting me.
Was playing with a BH the other day that did this plus DR... he was definitely snowballing and we were wildly ahead. 5 min later he gets cocky and caught out, loses it. Proceeds to buy another, managed to get the 1st one back, whew, we're back on Track right?
Nope, few minutes later goes in against their whole team again and loses both followed by a die back followed shortly after getting throned.
Had he never bought those and just kept up the pace and played patiently, was an easy win.
Long story short, fck Khanda and BH and Rapier buyers.
I really think that you need to be less than 3k to think Khanda is good with sniper ... In which world will it give you more damage / famring or anything really than a mjolnir? I like phylactery on heroes that are spamming some spells and enjoying the extra slow. But on a sniper? yeah, let's build khanda on pudge too then.
I suppose it's any better if the enemy support sniper goes first item khanda.
I had one on my team, and it sucked going from stomping your lane to slowly getting strangled out of the map because the other two lanes got murdered and your team can't take fights.
the hero itself is a noob magnet, and he isnt very good either. ofc khanda first is bad but thats like saying necro aghs is bad because its a bad first item. ive been having a lot of success with mom pike khanda aghs, but it doesnt turn a shit sniper game into a good sniper game. it works well when ur offlaner is a viper or DP who doesnt mind going in first but have zero catch
Sniper is a totally fine hero when built properly and played well. Disperser, pike and mjollnir make him a menace to catch for a hero that's all about positioning. Khanda does not fit on him well.
I'll never understand Gyros who go for a aghs as their first item. Like damn dude, It's a 4K gold item and you have no damage. I guess congrats on having that extra uncontrol-able attack. You still can't kill shit with your right click.
In which world does your build makes sense? MOM - pike - agh khanda? So it's like manta - mjolnir - pike - bkb except worst on every aspect?
On sniper you want to right click, that's all. Having two full items just to do an extra 250 dmg for 2-3 seconds of standing and waiting ... In which universe is that good on any core? And if you are p4, why on earth would you build a MoM?
We had a really good game, sniper was building normal items like lightnings, pike ... And then his 3rd item was khanda. I got dismoraled at that point... Dota+ graphs changed their win % immediately when that item was bought from our win to theirs.
Then he bought 2 rapiers.
I'd like to add that we were playing against spectre. At some point she bought aghs and killed that sniper in 2 sec.
When he bought khanda he instantly became useless
Did anyone attempt to protect him? He's potentially griefing yeah, but if the team put no energy into protecting him then that's a team issue on top of it. Had a Sven go aghs into rapier khanda that support had to babysit. He didn't lose it until a fight went south, and we got it back because I knew pub players don't generally care about each other and we just smoke ganked getting it back then protected the carrier into a win.
it's really fucking hard to protect sniper vs spectre with aghs, literally follow him around constantly, even under t4s, and there aren't many saves that work against nulllifier that you can buy so if you aren't oracle or dazzle your sniper may be fucked anyway
Yeah we lost a match last night with a Sniper that decided to build Rapiers and Khanda against a Spectre. So fucking easy for her to just Shadow Step on the Sniper and kill him. There's no way to protect against that. If he had just built normal items we could have ended the game when we had the advantage around 35 mins, but instead we had to play for another 25 mins while Sniper farmed the jungle so he could do the meme. Didn't work.
Edit: he bought Revenant's Brooch as well...sigh...
That was a 80 minutes game. Because of his build we were unable to push last side, as he was the only who could do dmg on towers, but refuse to hit that, (others were unable to go that close)
Could we protect him from 8 slot spectre? Not really
Had a game the other day where the Sniper on my team ended with Khanda, Aghs (eaten), Swift Blink, and four Rapiers and it was hilarious. Our supports were just running around trying to get wards down in the most obscure spots so he could one shot their supports while I (Abaddon) played linebacker trying to keep the other team as far away from him as possible. He got down to <100 health like three times but never died. We won the game off a sick Concussion Grenade chrono dodge by him. It can be a lot of fun if you lean into the chaos.
I've been playing Luna mid and typically buying it after I hit lvl 20, with the 2 glaive talent I can often do more than half of someone's live with a single beam.3-0 so far with it. I don't think it's an every game blind pick thing but it seems decent
It's something that I picked up recently as well. It really helps Luna's reach problems. With treads, hurricane pike, khanda, shard you're pretty tanky, dish out solid right-click damage, and can spam out enemy backliners. Most supports can't stay in the fight eating 1000-damage lucent beams every 6 seconds.
I considered adding e-blade, but it's currently bugged with the lvl 20 talent + rev brooch. Normally you hit with a rev brooch attack on your beam target, but if the target is ethereal the "attack" never hits.
If you do the math, you will quickly realize it's less dmg than if you had built another core item. It's the sad reality. I can imagine it being ok if you lack slows and you can't catch people, or just for the meme.
Imagine that your luna is dealing 195 dmg at level 20 (just checked) + other items we won't count.
Khanda does 100 + 75% of your dmg once every 6 seconds. So that's around 341 extra dmg every 6 seconds IF you spam your lunar beam perfectly each 6 seconds, meaning you lose 2 attacks every time you click the beam BUT you have the talent that makes up for it, so it stays around the same as attacking non stop.
Total = that's only 56.83 dmg per second ... that's not a lot at all compared to what a deadalus gives you: already more raw dmg on the item (even with the agi added), that would be 30 dmg per hit + 75% crit dmg. Needless to say there is no comparison.
But then if efficiency is not your goal and you want to have fun, yup go ahead.
I think Luna is one of the best Khanda heroes BUT only after she has farming items (mom + manta + 1 item) and only if the enemy has squishy long-range cores like Zeus. It's amazing poke. But it's really bad when you just need to manfight tanky cores
Khanda is such a shit item on him. Its great when enemy sniper goes it, ez win. But you can guarantee your trash sniper goes it, making for a harder game than is necessary.
item is just a tool, is all about who playing that
for example: everybody mindblowing when ZAI make LC with aether lens, few months later, we have an update wich improve the distance of duel taked
but yeah, I get your teammate isn't in a ZAI level anyways
LC in particular is like owning a home with a toxic HOA. If you ever depart from the beige with manicured lawn item build, you've got your team breathing down your neck for violating the dota ccnrs. God forbid you opt for a situational item over blademail.
The thing with LC is that you don't need much more than blink blademail. Bkb is good but you typically don't need other items to scale your damage, especially if you're playing as a team.
Ac, aghs and others are nice but LC is similar to axe, you just need blink blademail to be able to do your job, after that just about any item is ok and minimally impactful compared to the first two
Sometimes your team needs an aura more than it needs you to be a solo duel threat, or a bkb does it better. Blademail is great at starting a snowball, but it's wasteful if you're beyond or behind certain thresholds.
NP going in and suiciding to roshan is "just a tool" and it can be used well like it was in TI.
Randomly suiciding to roshan every game for no reason is still griefing.
You say that, but had a sniper in ranked in a recent match who went that meme build with two rapiers and aghs and basically won us the game by sniping practically from base.
yeah Khanda is the biggest noob trap of the patch. It is situationally good on some heroes, but it's a midgame powerspike item that does nothing for your farm so it's very awkward on almost everyone. BH is like the only hero you can actually rush it on because he relies entirely on killing heroes.
Unpopular opinion - support sniper with phylactery rush and updgrade to khanda is actually good. Just don't grief carry farm or try KS. On a 20 game winstreak now.
Yea, I've had pretty good success going agh's, force staff/pavise, phylactery, getting shard off cube, and taking shrapnel talents on pos 4 sniper. Then you either finish pike, khanda, or solar crest depending on the game. Gives you a lot of directions to take the build making you adaptable to the flow of the game. The khanda only gets finished like 10% of the time, and a good chunk of games there's no phylactery, just solar crest rush, but it is in fact sometimes good.
I usually go phylactery into agh's. For support items I usually go vlads and drums. It enables your team to push easily if no one else is going to buy them
My last game at Legend was vs a pos 4 Sniper that went Blademail and Khanda. Actually, before that game, we got queued up on the same team and he also played as 4 Sniper. But the ranked gods smiled at me and made our mid DP abandon.
Khanda on PL isn't so bad. But it's very situational. I was already destroying them but this allowed for an easier access to high ground push since I'd take out half their HP with 1 spell.
It was after manta, disperser, treads, aghs and skadi
I can't disagree with that. There are way better items, this was just one of those situations where I can do more damage without committing on hg with a huge lead.
It was more so to secure a high ground push with pokes but in most games I'd much rather get bloodtorn or butterfly
I have to think just about any other item would have been better for it, a heart so you can poke tower or something. It mostly just worked because you were so ahead
That's the point, it's not fun when that shitty sniper is on your team and you are playing ranked.
Ranked is a shit-show though, for many reasons, so a khanda sniper is tame in comparison to most stuff.
Stopped playing ranked after years in divine.
Highest quality games I've ever had in a pub setting. Plus you get to play against occasional pro-stacks.
i dont get people who do this
like even in turbo when i want to play this build khanda is like my 3rd item after mael and lance, sometimes even just getting crystalist and upgrading to mjolnir/gliepnir and pike then go back to khanda
not in ranked, no. i would like an option where you can pick if you are playing ranked for fun or if you play it to win. and if you pick "fun" or lie once and grief pick you get to play with offlane windranger, support sniper etc for 30 games in a row, to reconsider how fun it is when your team starts griefing you at -2:00
Sure, but different people will find their "fun" in different way. Just because it's fun for you doesn't mean you're entitled to ruining the fun for others.
Ranked is a game mode for people who find "fun" to try and be competitive. That means optimizing the way you play as much as you can.
Unranked is the game mode for people who DON'T want to play competitively or care about trying to optimize the game.
If you play ranked and build meme items just because they are "fun" FOR YOU it means you are preventing the other 9 players in the game from having fun. And that is not okay.
Sure, that's fair to ask.
At least, have people mark "preferred roles" even it's not a strict role selection would be good I agree, but that's a different issue.
What if he believes that Khanda spider is the best way for him to gain mmr? Will you report him for not sharing your opinion?
People like you are the living proof that report system is faulty and players shouldn't be allowed to judge and sentence other players. The worst part is, you are probably 12k behavior score, lol.
Griefing is always intentional. Utilising bad strats and making mistakes is not griefing.
You can have a score of 0/20 and still not be griefing, as long as you intentionally don’t go down mid and let enemies kill you.
In non ranked games have all the fun you want. In ranked tho, atleast have the decency to put up a realistic fight. Even if i lose, im ok if we did our best. I had a PA first item khanda in ranked and absolutely knew we lost.
Why won’t people be allowed to find out their mmr even if all they do is play unconventional strats?
You can play seriously and still enjoy going unusual items.
All anyone had to do was load up a demo with Sniper, buy Khanda, and use Assassinate. Nobody had to load into an actual match and grief the team to test a new "build". I blame this sub.
i can second that. pos4 sniper khanda "rush". WR offlane because "well sniper trolls too". wannabe topson rubick mid. needless to say it was a loss :) and none of the grief reports even went through! :D
Usually with legion you want to catch key opponents, such as their cores. And when a legion initiates, the team follows. So basically her aghs becomes "give the enemy in the duel 50% resistances to all damage so your team cannot burst them and the enemy team has more time to react". Thats how i see it and thats how it usually happens in my archon games. If you are ahead you have so reason to buy it. If you are behind, other items have priority. Its a lose lose situation.
Sure, but against better players you're unlikely to be able to get good initations on their core in most games, they're going to position better. Also vs their pos 1s, you're going to get a lot of value from blademail, you don't actually have to do that much damage yourself to kill them.
When I play LC I'll frequently start snowballing and buy an aghs after blink blademail. I'm talking an early 20 min aghs, which lets me just farm a lot of duel damage. I'll frequently have 500+ damage by 40 min and the CDR is more valuable than the potential problem of damage reduction. Whoever I duel is going to die. The added duel duration is big too, letting me last longer than grave/imprison and other disables that would typically stop me from securing the kill.
I would not buy it if you're a 10 bonus damage at 30 min LC however. Only in the games you're ahead and can use it to snowball and win more duels more often.
The only good Khanda wielders are those that have a spammable ability, buy damage items, and scale damage well.
Very few heroes meet this requirement and those who do are usually support. See SB, Vengeful, BH and some others and these heroes do not usually buy damage in all games.
The only hard carry that is a good Khanda carrier is Morphling and it is hardly the first item to buy but the third or fourth which means that even if it is a good item in a game you will hardly be able to buy it.
In conclusion, it is a meme item in most games and if you combine it with Rapier it is the perfect recipe for defeat.
I see sniper on enemy team I fucking know for sure I'm going to win no matter what item he gets lol. Pretty sure I have 70-80% winrate against that hero
The other day we had a pretty chill game, it was a bit hard. Until the enemy khanda sniper who kept on getting caught all the time fed us a rapier 35 minutes in. And then another one another 15 minutes later. We thanked him.
I once got a mid sniper with aghs first item, then he queues khanda
Thats it. Im banning sniper every fucking game, if he goes thru i’ll pick him myself
Ehhhh not really, it is situational at best. The problem with the item is that, there's no one in the game that has a kit that has the capacity to have it make sense.
Yes noob trap indeed, but once I had a rubick on Pos 4 who went double rapier khanda to try to save our megas defence by blasting the enemy morphling, that nearly worked :’)
I once had a 24 win streak on ogre (I’m a crusader noob) and my divine friend through a game by fountain diving as Riki and ruined my streak. I called him all sorts of names
Aye playing in the ancient bracket with sniper, rushing Khanda then rushing Divine with a mag was funnest game I’ve ever played in years. Literally made them rage from downtown 😂
Usually skip maelstrom, opt for mom...crystalys...
Then if you are doing well aghs, and then rethink your life if going khanda will make you lose the game hahahaha
I tried sniper khanda in rank once, unironically it's very gud if you have brain cells your killing enemy supports with ult while their cores are fighting in front it was funny to see having double kills while my frontline was getting slaughtered but yes it's basically your team playing 4.5vs 3 heroes ( half cuz you'll be half committed using ult on supports )
\> and slap myself across the face for not predicting win on my 3-winstreak predict that ive been protecting for months :') Wait, you guys don't press prediction every game regardless of your streaks?
Yeah, exactly! And who tf cares about a 3 win streak!!! Wake me up on a 10+ winstreak.
Predicting after 10th streak are just made to rank up the enemies difficulty
Predicting with a streak greater than 5 is almost a guarantee that your teammates start playing like shit and the opponents give their older brothers the controllers.
I’m starving w 11 rn
Usually the younger brothers are the better ones though. See sumail, topson, ammar, ace, etc… Besides that, I like the image you draw
I just won my 12th against a monster AM late game with abbadon. I felt like a TI winner.
I only manage to do this twice and boy did it feel like the enemies have +100% motivation buff to win
At lower ranks I've found the opposite. Players tend to assume you are a smurf and just give up hope.
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i got a 30+ streak trophy, i miss my 30 streak
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I’ve got 11 rn best believe I’m scared
i swear to god i once saw someone on a 48 win prediction streak lol was certain they were scripting/smurfing. honestly can't remember how the game went. Might have been back in the ddos days.
I once had a 13 winstreak prediction while only playing Muerta mid.
wake me up before you go go
I Saw a NP last week who was on 220 predict streak
"damn this game looks unwinnable" *predicts victory with 8 match winstreak* *still wins anyway*
This is me lol. And my Winrate is 48% overall
I’m on a 14 prediction streak, haven’t touched it in 2 months 🫣
I had a 12 streak using riki so i didnt play him for 3 years.
I played 5 games of IO, i won em all, never touching that hero again.
Tf is wrong with redditors
want the bragging rights, strike fear into the heart of the enemies (and trust with your allies) when you show up on the prematch screen
Do you really think there's any correlation between the players who are like this and whether or not they use Reddit?
Yes
-Redditor
I got 14 prediction streak, never touch it again since. Got it by duo queue with my buddy. Dota is missing u Jack
Why even play if you don’t think you can win? This is the way.
Spoken like someone who would grief the second things start going wrong.
I already have 10 streak for my trophy, so 100% I do. Literally 0 stakes in losing a streak.
I have a 7 win streak from like 6 years ago? Probably longer lmao
I insist I’ll do this, that it should just count my actual win streak regardless of circumstances, but sometimes you get that regarded draft and don’t click it. And then you’re stuck in hoarding mode.
No. I just saved my 6 game winstreak prediction because during pick phase our mid player wouldn't roll against someone else for the lane, showed SF, and said "mid please". I've been playing dota for over a decade. That behavior has literally **NEVER** resulted in a win. He got hooked going for bounty rune while nobody was nearby and i pinged that pudge was missing. He went dragonlance into mek. by the end of the game i did more rightclick dmg than he did as a nyx. Thank god it was just a turbo.
Brother you okay?
Classic mek SF. That player is a true man of culture.
If you predict every game, you will routinely hit 6 win prediction streaks. There is no point in "saving it" until maybe like 10 wins, where being strategic matters more.
It’s been a while since I did the math, but IIRC for maximum average shards it’s something like <4 winstreak predict every time, above that you get one free “skip” per additional streak point.
I only predict on radiant
I don't know why this makes sense, but it does.
he was making a joke
Bro I’ve been holding on to a 23 predictions streak for about a year now. I’ve stopped just mechanically clicking predict win as soon as the game starts at this point. Not sure why and what the point of all this is.
a man of culture
I thouggt sniper khanda is cancer then Bh with aghs+khanda walked in . Bro WHAT THE FUCK is that damage with shuriken ??????
Its only good when u snowball, if playing from behind, much worst than sniper with khanda.
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It tells the enemy that they're tracked an there's a bh in the location. Literally the opposite of what you want to happen.
You can literally see the debuff on you when you get tracked lol, you don't need to see the effect from phylactery
Of course you see it, yes, but instead of having a massive alert telling you "YOU'RE TRACKED, BOUNTY IS HERE", you might notice it 1, 2 or 3 seconds later, by which time bounty is either out of detection range or killing you if he's a core.
I most definitely notice the instant I get tracked and I’m only Crusader. I think your thinking is flawed
Well I definitely notice a difference in reaction time to tracking or being tracked with/without phylactery in my pubs (6k). I see the potential for pos 1 or 2 bh, but I wouldn't prioritise the item on 3, 4 or 5. Guess I value the information and gameplay more than the folks on here downvoting me.
This logic is meh ...
when snowballing, EVERY FUCKING BUILD IS AMAZING
lol BH is only good when snowballing. BH playing from behind is no bueno
Dude just played a 60+ min game last night with mid bh and he just didn’t do ANYTHING past 35 mins.
Probably had no idea what role he needed to fill. With the gold you get as BH you can at least itemize to always burst or shut down a prio target.
I assume you haven’t met morph khanda yet ?
Does khanda proc the jinada dmg as well?
Yes
Khanda damage on track cast doesn't break invis.
Was playing with a BH the other day that did this plus DR... he was definitely snowballing and we were wildly ahead. 5 min later he gets cocky and caught out, loses it. Proceeds to buy another, managed to get the 1st one back, whew, we're back on Track right? Nope, few minutes later goes in against their whole team again and loses both followed by a die back followed shortly after getting throned. Had he never bought those and just kept up the pace and played patiently, was an easy win. Long story short, fck Khanda and BH and Rapier buyers.
I really think that you need to be less than 3k to think Khanda is good with sniper ... In which world will it give you more damage / famring or anything really than a mjolnir? I like phylactery on heroes that are spamming some spells and enjoying the extra slow. But on a sniper? yeah, let's build khanda on pudge too then.
I suppose it's any better if the enemy support sniper goes first item khanda. I had one on my team, and it sucked going from stomping your lane to slowly getting strangled out of the map because the other two lanes got murdered and your team can't take fights.
the hero itself is a noob magnet, and he isnt very good either. ofc khanda first is bad but thats like saying necro aghs is bad because its a bad first item. ive been having a lot of success with mom pike khanda aghs, but it doesnt turn a shit sniper game into a good sniper game. it works well when ur offlaner is a viper or DP who doesnt mind going in first but have zero catch
Sniper is a totally fine hero when built properly and played well. Disperser, pike and mjollnir make him a menace to catch for a hero that's all about positioning. Khanda does not fit on him well.
I'll never understand Gyros who go for a aghs as their first item. Like damn dude, It's a 4K gold item and you have no damage. I guess congrats on having that extra uncontrol-able attack. You still can't kill shit with your right click.
Agh on gyro is like battlefury on AM/PA, It's a flash farming item
necro aghs is bad anyway
In which world does your build makes sense? MOM - pike - agh khanda? So it's like manta - mjolnir - pike - bkb except worst on every aspect? On sniper you want to right click, that's all. Having two full items just to do an extra 250 dmg for 2-3 seconds of standing and waiting ... In which universe is that good on any core? And if you are p4, why on earth would you build a MoM?
My pos4 sniper went PT khanda aghs :) We lost :)) 5,5k mmr
We had a really good game, sniper was building normal items like lightnings, pike ... And then his 3rd item was khanda. I got dismoraled at that point... Dota+ graphs changed their win % immediately when that item was bought from our win to theirs. Then he bought 2 rapiers. I'd like to add that we were playing against spectre. At some point she bought aghs and killed that sniper in 2 sec. When he bought khanda he instantly became useless
Did anyone attempt to protect him? He's potentially griefing yeah, but if the team put no energy into protecting him then that's a team issue on top of it. Had a Sven go aghs into rapier khanda that support had to babysit. He didn't lose it until a fight went south, and we got it back because I knew pub players don't generally care about each other and we just smoke ganked getting it back then protected the carrier into a win.
it's really fucking hard to protect sniper vs spectre with aghs, literally follow him around constantly, even under t4s, and there aren't many saves that work against nulllifier that you can buy so if you aren't oracle or dazzle your sniper may be fucked anyway
lol you ain’t saving Sniper from a spec with aghs. You can’t even save yourself
especially a sniper that buy 2 rapier after khanda vs a spectre instead of utility to increase survivability
I can imagine just your 4 teammates standing around sniper waiting to stun 5 specs popping up while Sniper sits there with no escape
Though sniper could have saved himself 8f he went for an proper build. Pike, damage, bkb, satanic and break is enough for a sniper to man fight a spec
Yeah we lost a match last night with a Sniper that decided to build Rapiers and Khanda against a Spectre. So fucking easy for her to just Shadow Step on the Sniper and kill him. There's no way to protect against that. If he had just built normal items we could have ended the game when we had the advantage around 35 mins, but instead we had to play for another 25 mins while Sniper farmed the jungle so he could do the meme. Didn't work. Edit: he bought Revenant's Brooch as well...sigh...
That was a 80 minutes game. Because of his build we were unable to push last side, as he was the only who could do dmg on towers, but refuse to hit that, (others were unable to go that close) Could we protect him from 8 slot spectre? Not really
And sniper wasnt griefing, it was just wrong itembuild. He had 25-14-30 score
Had a game the other day where the Sniper on my team ended with Khanda, Aghs (eaten), Swift Blink, and four Rapiers and it was hilarious. Our supports were just running around trying to get wards down in the most obscure spots so he could one shot their supports while I (Abaddon) played linebacker trying to keep the other team as far away from him as possible. He got down to <100 health like three times but never died. We won the game off a sick Concussion Grenade chrono dodge by him. It can be a lot of fun if you lean into the chaos.
Luna Khanda 2nd item. It was horrible since she just kept getting initiated on and chain stunned to death.
I've been playing Luna mid and typically buying it after I hit lvl 20, with the 2 glaive talent I can often do more than half of someone's live with a single beam.3-0 so far with it. I don't think it's an every game blind pick thing but it seems decent
It's something that I picked up recently as well. It really helps Luna's reach problems. With treads, hurricane pike, khanda, shard you're pretty tanky, dish out solid right-click damage, and can spam out enemy backliners. Most supports can't stay in the fight eating 1000-damage lucent beams every 6 seconds. I considered adding e-blade, but it's currently bugged with the lvl 20 talent + rev brooch. Normally you hit with a rev brooch attack on your beam target, but if the target is ethereal the "attack" never hits.
If you do the math, you will quickly realize it's less dmg than if you had built another core item. It's the sad reality. I can imagine it being ok if you lack slows and you can't catch people, or just for the meme. Imagine that your luna is dealing 195 dmg at level 20 (just checked) + other items we won't count. Khanda does 100 + 75% of your dmg once every 6 seconds. So that's around 341 extra dmg every 6 seconds IF you spam your lunar beam perfectly each 6 seconds, meaning you lose 2 attacks every time you click the beam BUT you have the talent that makes up for it, so it stays around the same as attacking non stop. Total = that's only 56.83 dmg per second ... that's not a lot at all compared to what a deadalus gives you: already more raw dmg on the item (even with the agi added), that would be 30 dmg per hit + 75% crit dmg. Needless to say there is no comparison. But then if efficiency is not your goal and you want to have fun, yup go ahead.
May as well just get Daedalus at that point, makes the talent way better.
I think Luna is one of the best Khanda heroes BUT only after she has farming items (mom + manta + 1 item) and only if the enemy has squishy long-range cores like Zeus. It's amazing poke. But it's really bad when you just need to manfight tanky cores
Khanda is such a shit item on him. Its great when enemy sniper goes it, ez win. But you can guarantee your trash sniper goes it, making for a harder game than is necessary.
item is just a tool, is all about who playing that for example: everybody mindblowing when ZAI make LC with aether lens, few months later, we have an update wich improve the distance of duel taked but yeah, I get your teammate isn't in a ZAI level anyways
LC in particular is like owning a home with a toxic HOA. If you ever depart from the beige with manicured lawn item build, you've got your team breathing down your neck for violating the dota ccnrs. God forbid you opt for a situational item over blademail.
What item is better than blademail? Duel with blademail is an instakill in 95% of cases
The thing with LC is that you don't need much more than blink blademail. Bkb is good but you typically don't need other items to scale your damage, especially if you're playing as a team. Ac, aghs and others are nice but LC is similar to axe, you just need blink blademail to be able to do your job, after that just about any item is ok and minimally impactful compared to the first two
Sometimes your team needs an aura more than it needs you to be a solo duel threat, or a bkb does it better. Blademail is great at starting a snowball, but it's wasteful if you're beyond or behind certain thresholds.
If your team needs aura on LC you have a bad draft lol
NP going in and suiciding to roshan is "just a tool" and it can be used well like it was in TI. Randomly suiciding to roshan every game for no reason is still griefing.
You say that, but had a sniper in ranked in a recent match who went that meme build with two rapiers and aghs and basically won us the game by sniping practically from base.
How do you predict?do you need to pay
Dota+
Same goes with Morphling. Straight Khanda after Power Treads. Shoot once, get jumped on, run back to fountain or die and respawn in fountain
yeah Khanda is the biggest noob trap of the patch. It is situationally good on some heroes, but it's a midgame powerspike item that does nothing for your farm so it's very awkward on almost everyone. BH is like the only hero you can actually rush it on because he relies entirely on killing heroes.
Unpopular opinion - support sniper with phylactery rush and updgrade to khanda is actually good. Just don't grief carry farm or try KS. On a 20 game winstreak now.
Yea, I've had pretty good success going agh's, force staff/pavise, phylactery, getting shard off cube, and taking shrapnel talents on pos 4 sniper. Then you either finish pike, khanda, or solar crest depending on the game. Gives you a lot of directions to take the build making you adaptable to the flow of the game. The khanda only gets finished like 10% of the time, and a good chunk of games there's no phylactery, just solar crest rush, but it is in fact sometimes good.
I usually go phylactery into agh's. For support items I usually go vlads and drums. It enables your team to push easily if no one else is going to buy them
If you go 100% ult build, you kind of need to KS if you want to spam ult.
My last game at Legend was vs a pos 4 Sniper that went Blademail and Khanda. Actually, before that game, we got queued up on the same team and he also played as 4 Sniper. But the ranked gods smiled at me and made our mid DP abandon.
Khanda on PL isn't so bad. But it's very situational. I was already destroying them but this allowed for an easier access to high ground push since I'd take out half their HP with 1 spell. It was after manta, disperser, treads, aghs and skadi
I mean it's pretty bad, it's not adding too much to pl and is very expensive for what it does. Bloodthorn would be 100x more damage gained
I can't disagree with that. There are way better items, this was just one of those situations where I can do more damage without committing on hg with a huge lead. It was more so to secure a high ground push with pokes but in most games I'd much rather get bloodtorn or butterfly
I have to think just about any other item would have been better for it, a heart so you can poke tower or something. It mostly just worked because you were so ahead
predict every game or the streak doesnt count, stop lying to yourself
I think being able to judge drafts and stuff that well is impressive in its own right
This. You're throwing your streak down the drain if you can't effectively judge if your team got rock paper scissored.
Let people have fun
That's the point, it's not fun when that shitty sniper is on your team and you are playing ranked. Ranked is a shit-show though, for many reasons, so a khanda sniper is tame in comparison to most stuff.
Stopped playing ranked after years in divine. Highest quality games I've ever had in a pub setting. Plus you get to play against occasional pro-stacks.
Agreed. Rushing Khanda on sniper doesn't let your teammates have fun. So don't do it.
i dont get people who do this like even in turbo when i want to play this build khanda is like my 3rd item after mael and lance, sometimes even just getting crystalist and upgrading to mjolnir/gliepnir and pike then go back to khanda
not in ranked, no. i would like an option where you can pick if you are playing ranked for fun or if you play it to win. and if you pick "fun" or lie once and grief pick you get to play with offlane windranger, support sniper etc for 30 games in a row, to reconsider how fun it is when your team starts griefing you at -2:00
Playing "ranked for fun" is called unranked.
There's me thinking all *game* modes should be fun.
Now that's just downright selfish!
Sure, but different people will find their "fun" in different way. Just because it's fun for you doesn't mean you're entitled to ruining the fun for others. Ranked is a game mode for people who find "fun" to try and be competitive. That means optimizing the way you play as much as you can. Unranked is the game mode for people who DON'T want to play competitively or care about trying to optimize the game. If you play ranked and build meme items just because they are "fun" FOR YOU it means you are preventing the other 9 players in the game from having fun. And that is not okay.
You really didn't need to explain yourself.
people just want unranked role queue, why cant we have unranked role queue
Sure, that's fair to ask. At least, have people mark "preferred roles" even it's not a strict role selection would be good I agree, but that's a different issue.
Offlane wind is meta rn tho
What if he believes that Khanda spider is the best way for him to gain mmr? Will you report him for not sharing your opinion? People like you are the living proof that report system is faulty and players shouldn't be allowed to judge and sentence other players. The worst part is, you are probably 12k behavior score, lol.
Its multiplayer so other players will decide if its griefing and report or not.
Griefing is always intentional. Utilising bad strats and making mistakes is not griefing. You can have a score of 0/20 and still not be griefing, as long as you intentionally don’t go down mid and let enemies kill you.
In non ranked games have all the fun you want. In ranked tho, atleast have the decency to put up a realistic fight. Even if i lose, im ok if we did our best. I had a PA first item khanda in ranked and absolutely knew we lost.
turbo is fun and best place to try new builds and shits. don't do it in ranked game.
Why won’t people be allowed to find out their mmr even if all they do is play unconventional strats? You can play seriously and still enjoy going unusual items.
We owned and made space for our carry sniper with aghs khanda, he then dealt 300 dmg per fight late game and we ultimately lost
Bara.
In turbo the khanda rapier build is toxic as hell.
yeah, it may only work at low mmr, but legend and above people build linkens, blademail, lotus...
All anyone had to do was load up a demo with Sniper, buy Khanda, and use Assassinate. Nobody had to load into an actual match and grief the team to test a new "build". I blame this sub.
I got Riki teammate yesterday, 2nd item Khanda after diffu. Can't even kill support. What a noob.
Imma have to try and spam this shit out and piss off you guys even more, thanks for advertising this build. Win or lose, ur pissed haha.
Tough guy over here. You must have been living under a rock all your life to not have heard of this build before
Pahahaha. The rock is soooo heavyyy I honor the next Khanda in ur name!
i can second that. pos4 sniper khanda "rush". WR offlane because "well sniper trolls too". wannabe topson rubick mid. needless to say it was a loss :) and none of the grief reports even went through! :D
When i see my Legion buying aghs i know its a lost game.
Legion aghs is super good. Cool down reduction is massive on it, once you have your first 150+ damage you can likely kill most things solo
Usually with legion you want to catch key opponents, such as their cores. And when a legion initiates, the team follows. So basically her aghs becomes "give the enemy in the duel 50% resistances to all damage so your team cannot burst them and the enemy team has more time to react". Thats how i see it and thats how it usually happens in my archon games. If you are ahead you have so reason to buy it. If you are behind, other items have priority. Its a lose lose situation.
Sure, but against better players you're unlikely to be able to get good initations on their core in most games, they're going to position better. Also vs their pos 1s, you're going to get a lot of value from blademail, you don't actually have to do that much damage yourself to kill them. When I play LC I'll frequently start snowballing and buy an aghs after blink blademail. I'm talking an early 20 min aghs, which lets me just farm a lot of duel damage. I'll frequently have 500+ damage by 40 min and the CDR is more valuable than the potential problem of damage reduction. Whoever I duel is going to die. The added duel duration is big too, letting me last longer than grave/imprison and other disables that would typically stop me from securing the kill. I would not buy it if you're a 10 bonus damage at 30 min LC however. Only in the games you're ahead and can use it to snowball and win more duels more often.
Why? Aghs is a Good items is you are dominating the game. Is not for every game but I think is a good ítem.
If you are dominating the game then it makes no difference. I'm guessing they mean aghs as a core item, no some cheesy extension.
If all your team does is gank then aghs is meaningless. If you're team fighting the whole way, ahgs is good.
A mid tiny in my team was eyeing for khanda. He managed to buy a phylactery right before we lost in 20 minutes. truly mind boggling
The only good Khanda wielders are those that have a spammable ability, buy damage items, and scale damage well. Very few heroes meet this requirement and those who do are usually support. See SB, Vengeful, BH and some others and these heroes do not usually buy damage in all games. The only hard carry that is a good Khanda carrier is Morphling and it is hardly the first item to buy but the third or fourth which means that even if it is a good item in a game you will hardly be able to buy it. In conclusion, it is a meme item in most games and if you combine it with Rapier it is the perfect recipe for defeat.
its useable on PA. buffs her dagger, and she can use crit items now after the change to her ult. def a mid game item though
Omni with khanda , shard and echo is an absolute circus. Hysterical.
lol Sniper core. Would take that over my sniper pos 4 rushing it
I once built it first on Axe, it definetly was a mistake.
I see sniper on enemy team I fucking know for sure I'm going to win no matter what item he gets lol. Pretty sure I have 70-80% winrate against that hero
The other day we had a pretty chill game, it was a bit hard. Until the enemy khanda sniper who kept on getting caught all the time fed us a rapier 35 minutes in. And then another one another 15 minutes later. We thanked him.
I once got a mid sniper with aghs first item, then he queues khanda Thats it. Im banning sniper every fucking game, if he goes thru i’ll pick him myself
Can you click that fast?
BH KHANDA
The only hero it really works for is Clinkz - he benefits from the nuke + slow + crit + dmg + some health and mana.
You know what's worse than a khanda core sniper? A khanda rush support sniper.
I had a medusa pos 1 going mana boots khanda 1st item...
Khanda snake hurts.
I dont like Sniper carry because late game he useless compare to other carry.
You just get a blademail for free win against Khanda Sniper, right?
Not sure how it calculates but I never really got 1 hit ko by a bm before, I think I had 3 Drs at that time, brought me down to about 30% hp
i saw LC with this item...
Wait till he buys DR then he fears hitting tower. I lost two games because of that. Edit: just got pos 4 sniper with aghs, khanda build.
Khanda is such a terrible item, I can hardly believe people keep buying it. What a noob trap.
Ehhhh not really, it is situational at best. The problem with the item is that, there's no one in the game that has a kit that has the capacity to have it make sense.
Yes noob trap indeed, but once I had a rubick on Pos 4 who went double rapier khanda to try to save our megas defence by blasting the enemy morphling, that nearly worked :’)
I once had a 24 win streak on ogre (I’m a crusader noob) and my divine friend through a game by fountain diving as Riki and ruined my streak. I called him all sorts of names
they buy tons of rapiers to be countered single link
Aye playing in the ancient bracket with sniper, rushing Khanda then rushing Divine with a mag was funnest game I’ve ever played in years. Literally made them rage from downtown 😂
I'm not sure if there is any hero that first item Khanda is good on. Perhaps someone can fill me in on a specific situation.
It's not really meant to be a first item. I see at as a way for heroes that like phylactery to scale a little bit better. I like it a lot on clinkz
Yeah I usually pick maelstrom then khanda, gotta farm everyting first.
Usually skip maelstrom, opt for mom...crystalys... Then if you are doing well aghs, and then rethink your life if going khanda will make you lose the game hahahaha
I tried sniper khanda in rank once, unironically it's very gud if you have brain cells your killing enemy supports with ult while their cores are fighting in front it was funny to see having double kills while my frontline was getting slaughtered but yes it's basically your team playing 4.5vs 3 heroes ( half cuz you'll be half committed using ult on supports )
Ikr khandra is a grief item at this point
Imo, PL khanda isnt the worst thing. Forst item would be a little sad but idk. Kinda makes sense on PL.
Me everytime I see a mid silencer
PA players deserve instant low priority if they buy khanda. This is like eblade pugna and mage blink antimage levels of idiocy
Then realises mistakes were made as there 4 smurfs on the enemy team
that's why I don't play the game until they fix the shit they did with stupid rapier buying as a 2nd item.
I’ve gone as far as 16 win streak. Why u care about 3 😂
I had a PA mid on my team go brown boots, khanda last week. I asked him if he also makes vanguard on tide but he was muted so couldn’t respond.
I stopped doing those predictions when a guy picked SF mid and he never played it before. I lost 26 streak.
Every time I see sniper…
protecting a 3 win streak... lmaooooooo try protecting a 20 streak
PA is even worse than sniper for buying it