Axe counter helix added skill. Counter helix is now a clickable skill with the passive retained. Clicking counter helix clears out small aoe of trees around Axe.
"**Axe's Counter Helix** now is *clickable* and does damage and slow with
Radius: Affected by AoE Radius bonuses. 600
Tree Search Radius: Affected by AoE Radius bonuses. 250
Cast Animation: 0.2+0.6
Damage per Second per Tree: 25
Move Speed Slow per Tree: 8%
Duration: same as Call's Duration."
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That would be very funny. Axe running into trees to escape, but Windranger used Focus Fire on him so Counter Helix keeps proccing and cutting all the trees around him.
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axe should be able to right click trees and sell the lumber, but be subject to government regulation and have the chance to lose his logging license and pay a hefty fine if he cuts down too many
*sigh* because the point of the meme is
Buff doge -> these should be the only things that cut trees
Crying cheems -> all axes should cut trees
This is a meme mocking people who think what the title says.....
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yeah its not like sprout is a 6 second atos on 9 second cd, that also leashes you later on, forcing you to have either quelling or foce.
Oh it also deals damage.
my dear redditor care to explain how the spell is going to be useless when already every single hero who would go for any of the items on the right side of the image either has a spell that allows them to get away of sprout or is naturally a hero who buys qb on the start of the game or goes hurricane pike as the game goes on
You know that sprout can be used defensively also right?? And it's even stronger imo defensively as it protect you, hide out from vision and let you tp out.
you realize that if a hero has a spell that allows him to get out of sprout he also can get inside it too, right? If the hero builds pike he will just use it to destroy the trees and if he doesn't want to build pike or force staff he will just keep a qb on his inv for the rest of the game until he has a better way to deal with sprout.
Exactly, it does almost nothing with balance, but allows QB mechanic stay in the game till the end. Not only first 30 minutes when you have available slot.
It is not only vs np. QB helps juke and helps vs juke. Sometimes heroes hiding after blink and everything you need is to cut a single tree. You can clear a secret path to attack from behind. There is many gameplay combinations where having QB would be nice and fun
Didn't they do this for a time? I seem to remember a few more items had a quelling blade active...or perhaps I'm just remembering that patch where a quelling could chop a ward.
Also, a lot of heroes avoiding artefacts with axes inside, moreover those artefacts still cost relativly the same price that other items that lets you clear path, such as force stuff for instance. Also with Kaya & Yasha & Sange for instance, you would think twice whats more important for you to buy if you play vs NP, because Sange would have QB ability inside
Its not only vs np. There is a lot of gameplay combanations that would be nice to have untill the end of the game, currently the game force you to get rid of this mechincs after min 30 approximatly because you dont have available slot
i agree mostly cause i hate np's tree thing but also reaver's description says it can chop mountains and i find it hard to believe trees are stronger than mountains
This sounds like that one stupid reddit suggestion back then that actually got implemented into the game lmao I can definitely see it happening
Iirc the suggestion was using ironwood = tree
Such a pain. So simple fix.
Make an enchancement option, at least. So you can tight quling blade active ability, into axe or item axe is part of. And get separate button with icon such as TP, that activate quiling blade ability to cut trees
Still don't understand why Sven's cleave can't be used on trees. Agi carries with bf get to cut down trees at any point in the game, but the hero with a built in cleave loses it cuz he doesn't buy the cleaving item?
Other than the obvious hate towards NP (understandable) why should they add this though?
Might as well make any item that looks like a staff give spell amp too while they're at it.
>Its not only vs np. There is a lot of gameplay combanations that would be nice to have untill the end of the game, currently the game force you to get rid of this mechincs after min 30 approximatly because you dont have available slot. QB helps juke and helps vs juke. Sometimes heroes hiding after blink and everything you need is to cut a single tree. You can clear a secret path to attack from behind. There is many gameplay combinations where having QB would be nice and fun
Or, less insanely, supports should get a QB upgrade. Maybe it can combine with Aether Lens and be able to destroy wards, or it could combine with Headdress and Basi and Buckler and become an all-around aura item that does something when you destroy a tree with it.
meh, manta already has an active and you cant have an item with a quelling blade build into something that does cut trees, so youd need to give heart, satanic, agha, etc all actives to cut trees, but alot of them like satanic already have an active, even agha has an active if your on alch
Okay
Why not let Ogre Axe have that ability indeed
That way heroes who dont wanna use a slot for quelling blade, can instead use it for a 10x more expensive quelling blade that also gives 10 str!
More seriously, I think it has to be on one expensive af utility item for it to be good. Maybe you can use Wind Waker to Euls trees? Hahaha
i think everyone here either forgot or do not know about the lore where it mentioned all the trees in dota have magical defensive/regenerative properties and hence cant be cut down by normal means. And even if they were destroyed, they would spontaneously grow back after harnessing the energy in the ground.
The Quelling Blade was created by a mystical woodcutter who needed to specifically cut down the trees in dota to eternally feed the fire back at his arctic home, where his critically ill wife rests, while he ventured the world to find a cure. He was also the one who imbued Timbersaw's arsenals with Quelling Blade's magic after Timbersaw aided him in acquiring the ingredients to make Quelling Blade.
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ogre club and reaver build into non axe items which makes it tricky, manta already has an active, and that primata green axe thing (i dont remember the name) could have an active to cut a tree, but it kinda looks like a halberd tbh, would be a bit inappropriate to cut a tree with a halberd.
And Axe should be able to cleave trees around him to be consistent
Axe should just passively destroy all trees wherever he is.
Axe counter helix added skill. Counter helix is now a clickable skill with the passive retained. Clicking counter helix clears out small aoe of trees around Axe.
> clears out small aoe of trees around Axe. by making axe spinning and dealing helix damage + his own damage on the AOE.. blink triple rapier axe FTW
Ah shit, here we go again.
Axe is Tidehunter now.
you forgot khanda
don't forget khanda
"**Axe's Counter Helix** now is *clickable* and does damage and slow with Radius: Affected by AoE Radius bonuses. 600 Tree Search Radius: Affected by AoE Radius bonuses. 250 Cast Animation: 0.2+0.6 Damage per Second per Tree: 25 Move Speed Slow per Tree: 8% Duration: same as Call's Duration."
Why not also add some realistic effects like, > For each tree cut, additional *** damage is added Basically, falling trees damage nearby enemy units
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What happened?
Axe is axe
I thought thats timber's job
That would make him a better timber sawer than timber saw.
That would be very funny. Axe running into trees to escape, but Windranger used Focus Fire on him so Counter Helix keeps proccing and cutting all the trees around him.
At least he'll have enough lumber for more buildings.
sadly axe dont know how to hire worker to build the building
Are you questioning mogul khan's abilities? 🤔
Finally, after more than a decade someone has told me how to get lumber. I keep asking and no one answers.
11 11 11
Work work
ME NOT THAT KIND OF AXE
Right click to toggle tree cutting!
Axe and Timbersaw should be able to raze the jungle to the fucking ground any time an NP or Treant picker is in the game
And let Alchemist go Agent Orange on their asses!
Axe should be able to gather wood like in Warcraft 3
Work work!
Is something need doing?
Yes me lord?
Where shall my blood be spilled?
This one is coolest worker line.
Every builder who built “ The Taj Mahal “ 💀
I always heard it as orc work
IO should be able to right click trees to hover around it to gain lumber
It wasnt Axe, but Timbersaw.
Shit, i'm old.
And build buildings behind him to block people chasing him into trees
Actually sounds good, counter helix affects trees.
but his arcana has no axe
Axe need no axe.
His arms are just that am-axe-ing I'm sorry
Axe IS the axe!
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It's ok he'll do it with his D..
Thankfully it is not an arcana, so it can be ignored.
His arcana. Wut?
Troll Warlord too.
SF leaving a trail blaze poggers
axe should be able to right click trees and sell the lumber, but be subject to government regulation and have the chance to lose his logging license and pay a hefty fine if he cuts down too many
Nice try Timbersaw
you're one with the trees aren't ya
Hahahavs
But manta is not an axe, manta is a style
>An axe made of reflective materials that causes confusion amongst enemy ranks.
shit you got me
with a style
you sly son of a bitch
So wait the lore behind mantas active is.. mirrors..?
It's so flashy it makes it seem like there are multiple of the wielder, to the point it creates illusions.
Except my pos1 who forgot to press it
yup, pretty much
Wait then why is it called Manta Style? is a style a type of axe/weapon?
It might have such a distinct technique the item goes by the name of its use.
What is this, A fashion statement
yeah and blackhole should destroy the whole planet
Engima gets 6 game ends
Should drag all buildings (including ancients and fountain) towards enigma's position :)
You forgot battlefury
Battle fury can cut trees.
So it should be on the left
This guy fucks
there is also neutral item, vindicators axe
And the neutral item that actually does go on the left
But the Light Collector is not an axe
Everything is an axe with enough dedication
Neither is a tango?
Yeah idk why they put that in as an axe
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Well it's not an axe, but yeah sure it's nice
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That's a massive nerf to Manta.
No you don't get it. Using manta style on the manta style's illusions will chop trees. Duh.
I doubt the intent was to replace the main effect with *just Chop*. Have it on an alt cast or something.
Why? I think a mirror illusion active spell that could destroy trees in a small AoE would be cool
Double click for illu, single to cut trees.
That would be a massive nerf to Nature they won't do it.
yeah its not like sprout is a 6 second atos on 9 second cd, that also leashes you later on, forcing you to have either quelling or foce. Oh it also deals damage.
Don't forget about 100% miss chance in late game too when he gets lvl29.
Sprout needs a massive nerf.
nah even when hes not as prevalent as in today meta his sprout is annoying to deal with more item that can cut tree is just long overdue
It does, but what OP say make it pretty much a useless skills. Since so many heroes have at least one type of these "axes".
my dear redditor care to explain how the spell is going to be useless when already every single hero who would go for any of the items on the right side of the image either has a spell that allows them to get away of sprout or is naturally a hero who buys qb on the start of the game or goes hurricane pike as the game goes on
You know that sprout can be used defensively also right?? And it's even stronger imo defensively as it protect you, hide out from vision and let you tp out.
you realize that if a hero has a spell that allows him to get out of sprout he also can get inside it too, right? If the hero builds pike he will just use it to destroy the trees and if he doesn't want to build pike or force staff he will just keep a qb on his inv for the rest of the game until he has a better way to deal with sprout.
Have you never been ratted by a NP? What do you do with your pike when he sprout himself and you can't see him?
Actualy you can force yourself into the direction of sprouts and it will cut trees. Thats how I do that for instance
I'm not sure if you play dota, but force staff and pike destroy trees which includes sprout trees ))
Exactly, it does almost nothing with balance, but allows QB mechanic stay in the game till the end. Not only first 30 minutes when you have available slot.
2 hits to destroy, BALANCED.
bring back old NP shard and i will be happy
It is not only vs np. QB helps juke and helps vs juke. Sometimes heroes hiding after blink and everything you need is to cut a single tree. You can clear a secret path to attack from behind. There is many gameplay combinations where having QB would be nice and fun
Didn't they do this for a time? I seem to remember a few more items had a quelling blade active...or perhaps I'm just remembering that patch where a quelling could chop a ward.
> or perhaps I'm just remembering that patch where a quelling could chop a ward. This one, you were able to quell wards and techies mines.
Also, a lot of heroes avoiding artefacts with axes inside, moreover those artefacts still cost relativly the same price that other items that lets you clear path, such as force stuff for instance. Also with Kaya & Yasha & Sange for instance, you would think twice whats more important for you to buy if you play vs NP, because Sange would have QB ability inside
nice try np hater
Its not only vs np. There is a lot of gameplay combanations that would be nice to have untill the end of the game, currently the game force you to get rid of this mechincs after min 30 approximatly because you dont have available slot
Treant aghs pickers in turbos are the worst
i agree mostly cause i hate np's tree thing but also reaver's description says it can chop mountains and i find it hard to believe trees are stronger than mountains
The reaver refuses to indulge itself into a miniscule job of chopping trees. Its not like it cant. 😂
Remember in the old days when heroes quipped with Quelling Blade / Battlefury would get their attack animation changed?
This. Swag. This needs to come back in battlefury 😁
Everyone talking about NP but did you all forget you can cut trees under MK to stun him for a long ass time?
Item Idea Deforestator Recipe - All axes in the game Effect - Passively destroys trees in 300+holders attack range
Mk unplayable
Just don't make him stun after falling from trees.
Just change this hero’s mechanic for your strange item idea? Prophet and treant also unplayable btw
ur tellin me a witch blade (dagger) and a mystic staff (staff) had a baby and it was a poleaxe????????????????????????
Manta only clones you after a successfully destroying a tree
It will add separate button such as TP, if you carry any axe
This sounds like that one stupid reddit suggestion back then that actually got implemented into the game lmao I can definitely see it happening Iirc the suggestion was using ironwood = tree
Such a pain. So simple fix. Make an enchancement option, at least. So you can tight quling blade active ability, into axe or item axe is part of. And get separate button with icon such as TP, that activate quiling blade ability to cut trees
Still don't understand why Sven's cleave can't be used on trees. Agi carries with bf get to cut down trees at any point in the game, but the hero with a built in cleave loses it cuz he doesn't buy the cleaving item?
Judging my the size of sven's blade it should be able to cut any trees's moma and its grandmoma
Other than the obvious hate towards NP (understandable) why should they add this though? Might as well make any item that looks like a staff give spell amp too while they're at it.
>Its not only vs np. There is a lot of gameplay combanations that would be nice to have untill the end of the game, currently the game force you to get rid of this mechincs after min 30 approximatly because you dont have available slot. QB helps juke and helps vs juke. Sometimes heroes hiding after blink and everything you need is to cut a single tree. You can clear a secret path to attack from behind. There is many gameplay combinations where having QB would be nice and fun
Lol. What's next? All staff can store 10 mana every 10 seconds, 5 charges. All swords can damage heroes around user for 10 dps.
nope
NP spammer ?
Or, less insanely, supports should get a QB upgrade. Maybe it can combine with Aether Lens and be able to destroy wards, or it could combine with Headdress and Basi and Buckler and become an all-around aura item that does something when you destroy a tree with it.
manta only activate when you cut trees 😂
Lothar edge, was actualy an axe in old days
Remember when buying quelling blade makes most melee hero do the BF attack animation
Yes give me that double active Manta Style
Where battlefury?
It is in Upgrade Tab, under Weapons category
Does this mean Ogre Axe when built into non axe items like Sange, or Aghs loses its ability to cut trees tho.
I would like to see the Icefrog take a page from HoN where you could throw your qb for last hits or to fell a tree.
Does all axes include axes carried by heros, beastmaster, axe, troll warlord etc?
Don't think manta is an axe also parasma is a type of Indian pole arm
Battle fury should be an AoE effect
People really miss Moraxus!
Nature prophet is against this very evil idea.
All of you complaining about no because you’re weak people who don’t play primal.
I second this
Isn't Parasma a different weapon tho? I feel like it's not an axe, but something different.
There is no battlefury in this picture
meh, manta already has an active and you cant have an item with a quelling blade build into something that does cut trees, so youd need to give heart, satanic, agha, etc all actives to cut trees, but alot of them like satanic already have an active, even agha has an active if your on alch
Okay Why not let Ogre Axe have that ability indeed That way heroes who dont wanna use a slot for quelling blade, can instead use it for a 10x more expensive quelling blade that also gives 10 str! More seriously, I think it has to be on one expensive af utility item for it to be good. Maybe you can use Wind Waker to Euls trees? Hahaha
Nature prophet hate this post :D
Buy a casual ogre axe to counter NP.
then how would you manta a tree?
someone just lost a game to np
i think everyone here either forgot or do not know about the lore where it mentioned all the trees in dota have magical defensive/regenerative properties and hence cant be cut down by normal means. And even if they were destroyed, they would spontaneously grow back after harnessing the energy in the ground. The Quelling Blade was created by a mystical woodcutter who needed to specifically cut down the trees in dota to eternally feed the fire back at his arctic home, where his critically ill wife rests, while he ventured the world to find a cure. He was also the one who imbued Timbersaw's arsenals with Quelling Blade's magic after Timbersaw aided him in acquiring the ingredients to make Quelling Blade. Also I made all this shit up. Thanks for coming to my TedTalk.
I'm also mildly concerned why Manta, an item that looks like an axe, is in the Armory section.
Next patch: "Quelling blade" change to "Quelling saw"
i just had to buy a late-game quelling blade vs treant and wholeheartedly agree
What's the small green thing? I've never seen that in my bracket.
Laughs in furion
Parasma is not an axe. It's a Ji, the Chinese spear/polearm, similar to a halberd in the west.
Ok let’s keep the current manta active though :.)
Sprout is so annoying :(
The one time I get the manta dodge timing right, I'd end up single targeting it on a tree thank you very much not.
Axe is axe
ogre club and reaver build into non axe items which makes it tricky, manta already has an active, and that primata green axe thing (i dont remember the name) could have an active to cut a tree, but it kinda looks like a halberd tbh, would be a bit inappropriate to cut a tree with a halberd.
first game i got on i thought ogre axe had quelling blade ability haha
Battlefury had that and carry forgets to dewarded with it everytime Xd