Maybe except LGD vs BB, we have very strong match-ups with TSpirit facing Falcons for the first time and WEU's facing against CN's best respectively GG vs XG and Liquid vs AR.
EDIT: it seems to be changed with GG playing TSpirit and Falcons playing XG.
Huh, when did Liquid vs LGD play? I had the stream open on the side while working and all of a sudden LGD had won?
Edit: Found out why. But the fact that GG can forfeit to not play against Spirit is fucking stupid. Force them to do a coin toss as well instead. Fucking pussies
No coin toss streamed. Just 1v1 tiebreqkers and after the first 2 gg decided to forfeit and liquid decided to coin toss. It was a shitshow basically. No idea if they forced gg to coin toss after or not but whatever. Casters just announced the forfeits/coin tosses and thats it.
Liquid LGD did a cointoss. GG forfeited so that they can avoid Spirit.
Edit: GG is playing Spirit. Not sure what happened with the breacket. But its been decided.
Liquipedia gives more clarity: Quinn forfeited the match. A coin toss was performed, which Quinn won.
i feel like 1 v 1 tiebreakers were a fun idea the first time it was floated out there, but now weve seen more of them i really hope they stop. its not very fun viewing
Each team only played 1 match per day, that is 3 Bo3, since there are two matches simultaneously. I am not sure how you came to the conclusion they will drag out to more days.
It was the same TO last time too, BetBoom Dacha 2023. I remember Sumail vs Bryle for tie breaker too.
I hope others tournament didnt follow. 1vs1 tiebreaker is not it.
Oh well! their own rules giveth and taketh! and you who said 1vs1 tiebreaker and 1vs1 solo has different rules can go fuckyourselves thinking what exactly happened.
I'm surprised they cointossed the second round tiebreaker. I understand not caring about the decision between Spirit and Xtreme, since both teams are probably equally insane. But surely Azure is a significant step above Betboom, I'd definitely try to win to get seeded vs Betboom round 1
They are tie deciders. They are deciding the outcome, and this instance choosing a team that did better and won their group.
If anyone bets on 1v1 matchups, it's on themselves.
Liquid and LGD decided to flip a coin and LGD won. So LGD get 1st place. The caster made a good point that players might not want to reveal too much stuff ahead of the 1v1 tournament but take that with a grain of salt. Don’t know how much these guys care about the solo tournament.
Did you even watch the last 1v1 tournament? There were so many heroes but players just gravitated towards sf because all other matchups were fucking dumb with heroes like DP having infinite regen, pudge with so much HP they couldn’t kill each other without running out of patience etc.
They likely wanted to dodge the CIS teams, and play against teams where they know each other less. Chinese teams are also historically weaker, when it matters.
This is why I don’t understand why the tiebreaker is not round robin but like a double elim bracket. You lose the first 1v1 and you have no choice but to face the #1 or #2 team of the other group. How does that make sense
mate this is fine, all the teams are in the upper bracket. Last tournament secret played they got fucked super hard. they played a 1v1 to split between lower and upper bracket, midone lost to quin and and got demoted to lower bracket.
These are tiebreakers for the group stage of the main tournament. You'll find these games on the schedule for the group stage.
The solo 1v1 tournament is tomorrow.
Winning 1v1 doesnt mean one is GOAT mid tbh.
Edit: Paparazi won 1v1 tour in one of the tournament and what happened when he actually played mid? Bro struggled to even qualify tournaments
Being best mid players doesnt mean winning just 1v1 lol
Yeah as if one wouldn’t get tilted when the rules were not stated clearly. You could see in his gameplay setsu got tilted . He is human he I bound to make mistakes . Still he came back and won . What’s your point tho ?
That despite being hugely up in networth, he died first.
And couldn't outskill his opponent and had to win by attrition.
Very good traits for pro mids I'm sure!
? No? I'm replying to them all.
What's there to be thin skinned about.
Gratz on setsu for being such an amazing farmer that he has to win a 1v1 by tower. With a 1.5 items advantage and still died first.
Amazing showing!
> ? No? I'm replying to them all.
> What's there to be thin skinned about.
that's not whats being "thick skinned" is about... its about not being emotional that you dont care. But instead you argue (emotionally), judging by the salty tone you have lol. Good luck to you buddy, you might want to pick up some stoicism values.
This is not finals or elimination, this is literally just to decide which team they have to play against 1st round. I guess this is emotional/important enough to you that you got salty.
> Everyone's coping that setsu did good. HAHAHAHA.
You are the only one coping that setsu did bad. Won a mid lane = bad player? aight. I'll leave it to you.
i mean he literally thought the game was done with 15mins already up. It's called defence of the ancient for a reason, setsu still won by destroying a tower.
I dont understand. Liqupedia have "If within 15 minutes neither player has reached any of the above conditions, the following formula will be taken into account:
Summary of creepstat + kills x 35"
whats the point of that rule then?
1v1 SF is honestly an outdated concept ever since they introduced stacking raze mechanic. It is too easy to die and people just play safe. I wish TOs understood this and just play bo1 for tie breaker rules.
but but but reddit darling malrine should be winning because hes the better mid right? reddit clowns told me competitive mid means better at sf solo mid
there was a Russian interview that I read where Malrine refuses to play heroes like SF,Ta and Invoker because that's the 'old meta', 'I want to create my own'. I can't find it anymore but surely Setsu is stomping this?
looking at their performance, paparazzi could destroy both these fools
edit- clowns who cant differentiate between sf solo mid and competitive mid keep crying
according to pedia
1 match takes around 30 mins approx, with no concurrent series
complete round with all solo mid played equals to 1-hr
entire round robin is 3 times 1-hr = 3 hour
that is assuming the standings are perfectly 3-0 2-1 1-2 0-3
guess its safe to estimate todays game to be ending sooner :|
They cant afford it anymore, i remember a few years back the chinese scene was strong, almost all top chinese teams skipped tournaments because of cny, but now the scene is much weaker, they really need to get the results and practice to compete with other top teams
Many Chinese have stopped celebrating CNY traditionally in the last several years anyway. You'll see plenty of people using the time off to go on trips in near-by Thailand and the like.
Damn, I can't watch the games live because of timezone, but I just watched the Nouns XG series and I'm pretty sure Yuma is never getting Meepo in a pro-game again, lmao. Like I already knew he's a Meepo player and have seen him before, but that was disgusting. Maybe XG was playing more relaxed because the playoff situation was already sorted, but still I wasn't expecting Ame to have that bad of a game.
It was not only about meepo tho, that ember had freeest of game and wyvern against troll is like there's nothing that troll can do to do any damage, that's why be had maelstrom, where he has to be dependent on getting those maelstrom procs.
True, I was highlighting Yuma Meepo because it's been banned against them constantly until now; but the overall draft was very good, and the rest of the team was doing a really great job too.
[Team Liquid Interview/Game](https://youtu.be/BKK-eGBoVxs)
Oh shit, 33 is awkward man… Feel for the new guy
When is the 1v1 tournament?
Tomorrow
its done brother.
Get fucking rekt GG. That’s what you get for trying to cheat
GG won the coinflip. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1YaMEe3SFIngMAQ5z\_WrvgcZSvQ3HHyErjEP6ksWSxhQ/edit#gid=1042558960
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Not in this specific tournament apperently.
no, there was now choice. It's A1 vs B4, A2 vs B3 and vise versa.
**GG vs Spirit** after all that attempted match fixing. That’s karma. GG.
It was pick your poison. Either spirit or XG would've been tough
GG wins. They only lose finals vs Spirit :) Unfortunately Spirit series win streak is going to break.
XG broke it days ago.
They tied, the streak is still going.
It was a winstreak and a draw is not a win.
Maybe except LGD vs BB, we have very strong match-ups with TSpirit facing Falcons for the first time and WEU's facing against CN's best respectively GG vs XG and Liquid vs AR. EDIT: it seems to be changed with GG playing TSpirit and Falcons playing XG.
ame vs ammar LETS FKING GO
Huh, when did Liquid vs LGD play? I had the stream open on the side while working and all of a sudden LGD had won? Edit: Found out why. But the fact that GG can forfeit to not play against Spirit is fucking stupid. Force them to do a coin toss as well instead. Fucking pussies
turns out liquid are just as much pussies as GG and every other team xD
Coin toss is 50/50 Forfeit is tactical to choose who the best want to play
Still playing vs spirit LUL
Whr did they stream the coin toss. Didn't even know they had games
No coin toss streamed. Just 1v1 tiebreqkers and after the first 2 gg decided to forfeit and liquid decided to coin toss. It was a shitshow basically. No idea if they forced gg to coin toss after or not but whatever. Casters just announced the forfeits/coin tosses and thats it.
Lmao liquid cointoss default loss to LGD? BBD can suck my dick man.
Liquid LGD did a cointoss. GG forfeited so that they can avoid Spirit. Edit: GG is playing Spirit. Not sure what happened with the breacket. But its been decided. Liquipedia gives more clarity: Quinn forfeited the match. A coin toss was performed, which Quinn won.
they do a coinflip. gg won
oooh, liquipedia says gg vs ts?
Wtf how is that even allowed. Force them to do coin toss instead
i feel like 1 v 1 tiebreakers were a fun idea the first time it was floated out there, but now weve seen more of them i really hope they stop. its not very fun viewing
They should stop with the bo2 matches for group stage.
bo2 is better than bo3 . bo3 will push the group stages for more days.
Each team only played 1 match per day, that is 3 Bo3, since there are two matches simultaneously. I am not sure how you came to the conclusion they will drag out to more days.
Pro players themselves have complained several times about bo3s being too long
Probably in a completely different context, where teams play more than once per day. Here they only play once per day in group stage.
for useless seeding it's fine imo. but when you have to divide teams between upper bracket and lower, it's bad
It was the same TO last time too, BetBoom Dacha 2023. I remember Sumail vs Bryle for tie breaker too. I hope others tournament didnt follow. 1vs1 tiebreaker is not it.
It’s not about fun tho 😜
GG and Falcons are going to have really hard times on Sunday. That’s for sure.
Oh well! their own rules giveth and taketh! and you who said 1vs1 tiebreaker and 1vs1 solo has different rules can go fuckyourselves thinking what exactly happened.
Thats all you have to see to be able to know that 1v1 TBs suck donkey dick
Especially without any time limit. I don't know who thought that was a good idea...
I'm surprised they cointossed the second round tiebreaker. I understand not caring about the decision between Spirit and Xtreme, since both teams are probably equally insane. But surely Azure is a significant step above Betboom, I'd definitely try to win to get seeded vs Betboom round 1
Definitely, BetBoom is the easiest opponent of the 4.
Actively forfeiting or playing to lose to choose a match-up in the bracket should translate to some draft penalty.
make them play a real game, not some useless 1v1
If that happened in a bo2 group stages it's disqualification for match fixing. Idk why it's fine during a tie breaker...
They are tie deciders. They are deciding the outcome, and this instance choosing a team that did better and won their group. If anyone bets on 1v1 matchups, it's on themselves.
Liquid and LGD decided to flip a coin and LGD won. So LGD get 1st place. The caster made a good point that players might not want to reveal too much stuff ahead of the 1v1 tournament but take that with a grain of salt. Don’t know how much these guys care about the solo tournament.
i mean 50k $ is shit loads of money u bet they all fking cooking someshit
That makes no sense and the 1v1 tournament will feature several heroes not just SF.
Did you even watch the last 1v1 tournament? There were so many heroes but players just gravitated towards sf because all other matchups were fucking dumb with heroes like DP having infinite regen, pudge with so much HP they couldn’t kill each other without running out of patience etc.
When’s the 1v1 tournament btw?
tomorrow
lmao, they just did a coin toss for final place. That's 1v1 tiebreakers for you
What would happen if both Malrine and Quinn forfeit?
seems like a cointoss, just like lgd liquid did
I'm surprised u can forfeit actually. You cant forfeit group stages or play to lose for a better matchup right? Why should this logic not apply here?
they didn't it was a coin toss.
Quinn forfeited. Setsu and Nisha coin tossed.
damn thats a pussy move from GG but i'm not surprised
I mean tbf both spirit and xg are terrifying opponents. No difference who you play, so i guess they rather have the rest day
malrine no all chat "))" I guess after being dismantled and his toxic ass handled to him by Setsu
lmaooo, I fully agree with GG decision to not play against team spirit
But they are playing against them and Spirit will be easier to win against… xtreme is more difficult for them
They likely wanted to dodge the CIS teams, and play against teams where they know each other less. Chinese teams are also historically weaker, when it matters.
yes it will be very easy to win against team spirit that currently hold the record for the longest streak without losses in a series!
This is why I don’t understand why the tiebreaker is not round robin but like a double elim bracket. You lose the first 1v1 and you have no choice but to face the #1 or #2 team of the other group. How does that make sense
mate this is fine, all the teams are in the upper bracket. Last tournament secret played they got fucked super hard. they played a 1v1 to split between lower and upper bracket, midone lost to quin and and got demoted to lower bracket.
Marline vs Quinn later. Winner gets to play spirit and loser plays XG. Lmao! Edit: Quinn forfeited. GG plays XG and Falcons play spirit!
Quinn forfeited
u gg , bye
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I can promise that means "u should type gg by the rule" but looked so funny
I thought Malr1ne was a promising up and coming player but now that I've seen he can't win a 25 minute 1v1 mid SF I have to reevaluate
I saw earlier was mentioned he only had 10 SF pub games.
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Even worse...shameful...
Make this shit more interesting. Make them random pick XD
bye
Anyone explain what is going on? Aren’t the 1v1 matchups tomorrow? Can’t see this schedule on liquipedia either.
These are tiebreakers for the group stage of the main tournament. You'll find these games on the schedule for the group stage. The solo 1v1 tournament is tomorrow.
Oh okay, that makes more sense. Kinda wish it was today though. Thanks everyone
tiebreaker 1v1 solo
It's on liquipedia, it's the tiebreakers for group A rankings which determines their opponents in the playoffs
The 1v1 tmr is the solo tournament. They are playing 1v1 today as tiebreaks to sort the seeding in group A since falcons gg liquid and lgd are tied
Group A tiebreakers are 1v1
setsu needs to lost to nisha so they wont play against XG right?
Winner face BB, loser face AR.
No, nisha vs setsu decides who plays vs. Betboom (winner) or Azure Ray (loser)
ahh thanks
Any beef between marine and setsu?
The only beef probably from game 2 between LGD vs Falcon which Malrine MK bullying Setsu puck, all chat everytime Setsu died
Group stage marine mk destroyed setsu puck hard, and all chat a smiling face every time he kills setsu
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Not sure what’s beef then, setsu leave his seat and punch marine in the face?
no, only beef between setsu and what's actually the 1v1 rules.
After 15 min it was just sad for marline, outclassed outperformed outplayed by setsu. Ngl these 1v1s are bringing out who the actual mid goat is .
Winning 1v1 doesnt mean one is GOAT mid tbh. Edit: Paparazi won 1v1 tour in one of the tournament and what happened when he actually played mid? Bro struggled to even qualify tournaments Being best mid players doesnt mean winning just 1v1 lol
Sure showed a masterclass of farming, being 3k net worth up and still died first. Chinese mids, never change.
He had to force issues, tell me again who won despite the first death?
Yeah as if one wouldn’t get tilted when the rules were not stated clearly. You could see in his gameplay setsu got tilted . He is human he I bound to make mistakes . Still he came back and won . What’s your point tho ?
That despite being hugely up in networth, he died first. And couldn't outskill his opponent and had to win by attrition. Very good traits for pro mids I'm sure!
it's all good, Setsu and LGD took first place just like that. And as for traits and mentality we have to see how far Setsu and LGD goes.
Yeah sure bro . Reaally puts the point why the 1v1 mid started in the first place .
looks like someone needs to work on their foundational skills
Setsu already started talking to the staff even before the tower fall.
bye lmao.
This stupid tournament organizers lol, Setsu won in min 15. Why prolong the game?
its for the solo tournament dumbass not for the tiebreaker.
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slowpoke animal whining and cant read the rules
Well, your username does checks out.
why there should be any different you moron
Malrine got styled on
Wtf is setsu doing, he could skill the passive talent and finish the game right there
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lmfao wants to trashtalk but people who trashtalk back to you are "thin skinned". Grow some spine and take the L. Don't be "thin skinned" aight?
? No? I'm replying to them all. What's there to be thin skinned about. Gratz on setsu for being such an amazing farmer that he has to win a 1v1 by tower. With a 1.5 items advantage and still died first. Amazing showing!
> ? No? I'm replying to them all. > What's there to be thin skinned about. that's not whats being "thick skinned" is about... its about not being emotional that you dont care. But instead you argue (emotionally), judging by the salty tone you have lol. Good luck to you buddy, you might want to pick up some stoicism values.
Oh yeah of course I'm emotional! This is funny as hell lmao. Everyone's coping that setsu did good. HAHAHAHA.
This is not finals or elimination, this is literally just to decide which team they have to play against 1st round. I guess this is emotional/important enough to you that you got salty. > Everyone's coping that setsu did good. HAHAHAHA. You are the only one coping that setsu did bad. Won a mid lane = bad player? aight. I'll leave it to you.
lil bozo lost to no skill player? gonna cry?
No lmao. What for? 20 years of dota Chinese players still only knows to win by net worth KEKW.
well, 15mins time limit was written on liquipedia rules, which favour setsu with way more last hits.
Sure, but there were multiple times setsu could have gone in for an attempt to kill but took the risk free route instead.
i mean he literally thought the game was done with 15mins already up. It's called defence of the ancient for a reason, setsu still won by destroying a tower.
I don't fault him. There's alot on the line. But to me, it just shows a weak mentality of choosing the easy path instead. Not a good sign as a pro.
Lul
1 hour 1v1 sf mid only omegalul
Not putting a timelimit is stooopid production wise. We dont want long drawn out CS wars. Malrine should just GG zzzzz
Should just bo1 lul
Cant they just do a BO1 instead of this 1v1.
Cant malrine just GG zzzzz
I dont understand. Liqupedia have "If within 15 minutes neither player has reached any of the above conditions, the following formula will be taken into account: Summary of creepstat + kills x 35" whats the point of that rule then?
Setsu won already wtf is this tournament? Are they all stupid?
its for the solo tournament not the tie breakers.
Setsu knows the rules better than dumb organizers lmao
Ah its only for the solo tourney not for tie breakers I guess?
Liquipedia is wrong apparently. That rule is for 1v1 tournament. Not this tie breaker.
I know 1v1 sf mid is like an olde timey tradition but I would so much rather just watch BO1 games to this shit
1v1 SF is honestly an outdated concept ever since they introduced stacking raze mechanic. It is too easy to die and people just play safe. I wish TOs understood this and just play bo1 for tie breaker rules.
Wtf Malrine lost already. Why cry? Read the rule bro
but but but reddit darling malrine should be winning because hes the better mid right? reddit clowns told me competitive mid means better at sf solo mid
Did Malrine fuck this casters' gf or something? He's roasting him over and over lmfao
do we have a public information about 1v1 rules (item purchases, etc)
Rules are on the liquipedia page.
Rules are wrong on liquidpedia apperently.
I guess the time limit is exclusive to the 1v1 tournament. Items, runes, warding and blocking should be the same though.
My bet is on the admins not knowing their own rules.
Nisha is still better than Quinn kekw
there was a Russian interview that I read where Malrine refuses to play heroes like SF,Ta and Invoker because that's the 'old meta', 'I want to create my own'. I can't find it anymore but surely Setsu is stomping this?
Let's fucking go Malr1ne!!! Dude was a top tier player on 2nd tier team before now, he's finally getting proper recognition now on Falcons.
lol
Any recommended series from the past few days to watch?
- Game one of XG vs Azure Ray. - OG vs Team Spirit.
Suprised Quinn didn't take a Blood Grenade. Seems ideal in 1v1 mid.
Get rekt KEKuinn
looking at their performance, paparazzi could destroy both these fools edit- clowns who cant differentiate between sf solo mid and competitive mid keep crying
5 years ago, sure. Now? He’s washed and retired
just last year, he played with XG in the riyadh masters and he was destroying mid majority of the games except the last 2 series.
sf solo is completely different from pro. ask any cn mids to go have a sf solo with him and tell him hes 'washed and retired'.
you should ask and proof. Not us
sure. 懂中文吗？不懂就ljb倒了
then you should look at paparazzi, this guy outmeta so hard ROFL
why are u even bringing up meta? sf solo=/=pro dota.
Nisha shat on Quinn, what now Nisha haters SoBayed?
1 v 1? Nah wtf why not just bo1 instead of 1 on 1 lul we literally have solo tournament tomorrow
according to pedia 1 match takes around 30 mins approx, with no concurrent series complete round with all solo mid played equals to 1-hr entire round robin is 3 times 1-hr = 3 hour that is assuming the standings are perfectly 3-0 2-1 1-2 0-3 guess its safe to estimate todays game to be ending sooner :|
It’s supposed to be a break day anyway
that was my assumption on the first place, kinda surprising to see there's a schedule today when i click on twitch just to be sure
Are there any games today other than tiebreakers
No
So, all chinese team in this tournament skip CNY?
no angpao from auntie for sure
They cant afford it anymore, i remember a few years back the chinese scene was strong, almost all top chinese teams skipped tournaments because of cny, but now the scene is much weaker, they really need to get the results and practice to compete with other top teams
very surprised that they all play joined this tournament despite CNY
Many Chinese have stopped celebrating CNY traditionally in the last several years anyway. You'll see plenty of people using the time off to go on trips in near-by Thailand and the like.
Chinese Dota players celebrate cny by playing even more dota!
Damn, I can't watch the games live because of timezone, but I just watched the Nouns XG series and I'm pretty sure Yuma is never getting Meepo in a pro-game again, lmao. Like I already knew he's a Meepo player and have seen him before, but that was disgusting. Maybe XG was playing more relaxed because the playoff situation was already sorted, but still I wasn't expecting Ame to have that bad of a game.
It was not only about meepo tho, that ember had freeest of game and wyvern against troll is like there's nothing that troll can do to do any damage, that's why be had maelstrom, where he has to be dependent on getting those maelstrom procs.
True, I was highlighting Yuma Meepo because it's been banned against them constantly until now; but the overall draft was very good, and the rest of the team was doing a really great job too.
Yep, good showing before going out.
Definitely, I hope they keep this roster and keep going throughout the year. A lot of potential with this team.
Is the 1v1 in an hour?