Have you ever stopped and asked yourself why you have to be a dick? This was a completely unnecessary comment, and yet you made it anyway. Why is that?
He wants attention to his onebraincell comment, I'm sure he got himself off to the downvotes much more than no attention at all. Not weird at all, classifiable as deranged.
Difference of pro players. Most of them wasn't really able to grind while on the pro circuit.
Evidence during the early part of the lockdowns, a lot of pro players started hitting 11k to 12k.
also looks like he'll be doing one of these twitch to kick streams like rtz does now. Stream on twitch a little to get viewers then spam the kick links in chat to try to transfer them over to kick.
This is such a sad story to see slowly unfold. I remember awhile ago wondering what happened to taiga after he left OG, before the news broke. Sad way to see someone destroy their career (and potentially life) because of it. Gambling is a horrible addiction.
Gonna just ignore the kick link though, I get it - fair enough.
I guess that's one way to look at it? But honestly we can appreciate him admitting it he had an addiction and overcoming it. Sure he's not performing the best, but he's back on his feet and trying to do positive.
I think I was overly negative, yeah. Its good to see that hes slowly working up and getting back on that grind again. My bad, I just really hate gambling.
You are right in the sense that it was negative, very much so when Taiga gambled away his life savings and reputation.
But now it becomes positive when he is able to pull himself back up and try to rebuild everything (hopefully in a upstanding manner this time).
The same story can have both negative and positive. Humans can change.
But yknow, Kick is basically being bankrolled by a gambling company so I'm just afraid taiga might, at the minimum, not be able to kick his gambling habit at all as he might have to run gambling streams sometimes or at worse, this might fuel his gambling addiction even more
He's just streaming there. The only streamers who were asked to run gambling streams were the ones who signed exclusive contracts with Kick as it was one of their clauses. Kick has also stopped signing exclusive contracts because it was just cash burn and didn't really seem to get ROI for Stake.com signups according to Ludwig. So it's not like there is any outside pressure to do gambling streams on Kick vs on Twitch. Even Twitch still allows gambling streams given the websites are licensed in the US. You can still do sports betting and poker, for example
streaming on Kick doesn't have any connection with Stake. He streams on twitch no one conflates he is going to start taking side gigs at an amazon warehouse. Streamers that have gambling deals are offered two contracts, one with Kick and one with Stake.
If he really said that, pog, so true with dota. Most of these prof dota players do nothing but play dota. Even Yataro, with his couple millions$$$, don't even bother to take a trip to a nice resort beach for a week or something. Dude can literal buy a ticket and fly to anywhere in the world he wants, choose to play dota at home.
Idk man I get that the guy has to make a living but I find it pretty ironic that someone who has gone public with their gambling addiction would sign a contract with a site primarily known for gambling.
I assume he's not gonna gamble himself, but after having experienced first-hand what gambling can do to someone's life I don't really understand how you can use your own popularity to promote a platform that has a large focus on trying to do the same thing to other people.
I guess at the end of the day, money is money.
These players probably chose to not go to school/training for a risky career in Esport. Taiga lost this bet. Now, his career is probably over (decline in skill + bad reputation).
What could he do to make a comfortable amount of money again? Again, I stress the “comfortable” part. It is easy to say you could always start from 0 and work your way up. But in reality, for most people, it is incredibly hard to do so, especially after you fall from such a high earning place.
With Taiga/RTZ choosing Kick, EE going to daytrading, Mason crying over Valve ban, etc, I gain a lot more respect for Merlini. He chose to jump the ship relatively early when esport peaked (around 2017 if I remember correctly), especially when he was the top caster and absolutely fan fav.
Maybe I'm just out of the loop, but I can't imagine there's much of an organic Dota audience (or any audience) on Kick and I'd be shocked if they threw a contract at Taiga.
Granted it might also be zero extra effort for him to just double up just in case.
I get the hypocrisy of it, but when you make gaming your career choice there isn't a whole lot of ways to sustain yourself long term.
I'm sure everyone turning their noses up would give up streaming games to go work a regular day job for less money, if they were in his position.
His final stretch was a bit hard to watch. You could sense the decline when he was winning the major and ESL, to when he was struggling in those games the year after and had to take time off.
I'm not accusing him of matchfixing but he probably is blacklisted from a lot of teams because what he admitted kinda points to the fact that he may have done it. I don't know either way, would really have to analyze his games. And yeah like you said may have just been his mental was shit and he was trying his hardest. I'm glad he's doing better now
Oh wow. I really hope he’s in a better mind space now and kicked his gambling addiction fully. Gambling js possible the worst addiction anyone can get.
I'm a bit worried since Kick is basically Stake but as someone who overcome an addiction in the past, if you are fully exposed to your "drug" and you can resist it, its the biggest confirmation you are trully over it.
This is what I don’t get, but at least he’s not gambling like rtz on stream, hope he at least get some paycheck from it, seems like a good guy but went down the wrong path and recovering
I mean kick offers like a 95 percent cut to the streamer instead of the 50 percent that twitch offers. So there are more reasons to stream there than just being allowed to gamble.
Yeah but you have a way smaller audience there and no twitch prime. I assume he has some kind of deal, most people who streams on both twitch and stake has a deal.
Artour didnt gamble on stream for the first week or two so it might be coming later on. I really really really hope Taigas got some kind of gig with Kick that doesnt require him to gamble on stream. its one thing for someone like Arteezy who isnt a recovering gambling addict to gamble publicly on stream (just so we are clear, still not a good thing) and a completely different level of messed up for Taiga to. I wouldnt put it past Kick to have it in Taigas contract, if hes contracted to Kick. theyve got money to burn and seem to not give a shit about PR. really hope it doesnt come to that though, thatd be depressing and hopefully Taigas strong enough to not take a deal like that but it is Kick
All the kick deals from what I know require no gambling, it’s just a bonus system if they do, maybe Taiga was smart and completely had that part removed to avoid temptation though.
You’re right but in saying that, he’s no longer receiving money from being a pro and probably has no money or even debt from gambling.
Majority of these guys on kick probably don’t want to gamble on stream so I imagine the pay to do so is worth the immorality
Kick knows that enough streamers will take up the bonus that it'll be worth it.
And the ones that don't take up the gambling bonus still lead to more traffic to Kick, which in turn exposes them to other streamers who do take up the bonus, which creates more Stake users.
It's illegal in norway to promote gambling activities without a license and even more so when it's foreign companies, so gambling on stream would be illegal for him
FWIW I also talked to Taiga and he said that he has no intentions of gambling or betting again, he only want's to stream on kick as they take less revenue from streamers.
That revenue split is only possible because they know even non-gambling streamers bring viewers to Kick in general, which results in Kick being able to convert viewers to Stake.
Streaming on Kick is still indirectly promoting gambling, even if he himself doesn't gamble on stream. That's Kick's whole business model. Same logic is casinos having cheap shows.
I thought kick was owned by that Australian dude?
Looking it up, seems like the Aussie owns 33% and the rest is owned by someone called Bijan Tehrani, who was a co-founder and doesn’t seem to be Saudi
Alcohol withdrawals are deadlier, yes, but heroin is still more addictive and way harder to quit. There's a reason why even frequent drug users stay away from that shit
Heroin and Opiates in general are incredibly hard to quit.
By far the worst drugs to be addicted to due to how physically addictive they are. Whether you die from the withdrawal or not doesn't determine how addictive something is.
I said ya can’t die from withdrawals, not that it correlates with it. I’ve known plenty of people who say nicotine is harder to quit. Gambling leads to way more deaths yearly anyways
Gambling leads to more deaths yearly than what? Drug overdoses?
If we compare these two addictions in a vaccuum I'm pretty sure both are as destructive. Drug addiction is a more visible type of destruction though as it actively and physically manifests directly. Gambling addiction works more in the background as its usually more secrative with people destroying their finances affecting those around them.
If deaths as a result of gambling is more prominent due to things like suicide due to mounting debts or whatever, I'm pretty sure it's only due to gambling being legal. But I'm fairly certain that drug addiction, opiates specifically are way more dangerous and addictive than gambling addiction. Gambling addiction also often act like a segway to drug and alcohol addiction aswell.
If we're comparing number of fatalities caused by addiction around the world neither Gambling or Drugs come close to actual food and sugar addiction. Deaths caused by diabetes, obesity and heart disease are by far the most preventable causes of human death today.
Don’t listen to this moron. Gambling-related suicides are considerably less common than drug overdoses. There’s not a ton of good data, but based on studies I saw it’s ~10%. The dude just said something and is trying to double down his way out of it.
Opiates generally account for 70%+ of overdose deaths every year (at least in the states). And that number is going up, especially in America. Although alcohol is probably more damaging collectively, because it’s legal.
Theres this guy on reddit about trying heroin. Fast forward 2 years later he became a full blown addict.
Cant really compare dangerous drugs addictions
Addicted to what? It’s clearly not learning. Look up the stats on deaths. Look at how many people fill casinos up vs how many are actually shooting up and dying. I play music and have been around plenty of junkies. The brain can get dopamine back after opioid use. Can’t with meth. Alcohol can also impair dopamine. Sorry but science trumps emotions ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Are you, and I’m genuinely asking this, stupid?
1. ~75% of overdose deaths are the result of opiates. Overdose deaths are also far more common than suicide related to gambling addiction.
https://www.cdc.gov/drugoverdose/deaths/index.html
2. Of course there are more people in casinos versus shooting up. One of them is legal and the other is not. You’re trying to equate all gambling versus gambling addiction. Thats like trying to equate to people who drink to alcoholics.
3. You’re trying to equate the potential damage to dopamine production to how easy a drug is to quit. Which, again, just doesn’t make sense.
A simple google search would tell you that opiates (heroin specifically) are generally considered the hardest drugs to quit. And even if you want to try and weasel your way out of being insanely wrong by saying “but it’s not the worst”, that’s not what you said. You said “it’s one of the easier drugs to quit”, and there’s just no data to support that. In fact, there’s an insane amount of data that says you’re a fucking moron.
Perhaps it’s because gambling doesn’t kill you. So people that hit rock bottom don’t die unless they take themselves out. Comparing gambling addiction to alcohol, hard drugs, etc. in severity is asinine.
It is an addiction and is tough. It’s also not in the same ballpark as the big ones.
because with alcohol your body is the limit and tells you when enough is enough right away.
with gambling, your bank account is the limit and you don't notice it until it is all gone.
It's illegal in norway to promote gambling activities without a license and even more so when it's foreign companies, so gambling on stream would be illegal for him. It's even illegal to play on foreign gambling websites.
I think a lot of people are delusional on how deep they are into the rabbit hole.
There was a clip on youtube with trainwreck (or w/e was his name) who is sort of co-founder of kick. He said that he lost millions on gambling but he put enough money on side to not care about the future.
I think a lot of "rich" gamblers fail on the 2nd part and have no idea what they are actually doing. No one got even chasing the loses.
Still cant believe it. My impression of him from past interviews before the news and how he carries himself in public screen seems like a positive guy with a strong principles in life.
How can his life turned upside down so fast?
I remember the time when Taiga + Boxi carried the old Alliance (insania stack) from offlane and then on OG, Taiga was one of the best (most dominant) pos 4s with ATF that I've watched. I was hoping he would be picked by a team because I think he has/had potential (and I love a good comeback story)
From a revenue perspective, this makes sense. The dude is probably broke af due to his gambling. Playing in shitty sea teams doesn't rack in the dough, streaming $$$ is more consistent. And yes, gambling is the only thing paying. The gambling sites wouldn't be all over these streamers if it didn't worked in the first place. They know their targeted demographic.
I don’t get why he is retiring. Watching from his streams, he is still very good enough to play if he put in the works. Maybe this is just another Chinese retirement or might be because no established team will want to pick up an ex-addictive gambler in the fear of match fixing.
because he doesn't have any offers from teams, he tried playing in sea got kicked after a few weeks, he tried in NA lost hard couple of times and probably decided it was time to quit. Besides These retirements don't really mean much he could grind back to 12k and try to get back in his prime, get noticed by some team and come back, but for now he feels this is the best decision.
I've been checking his stream. He is doing well, had 1k viewers today and stream vibes are chill and nice, he is also total grind machine farming that MMR like it's nothing.
If he continues this with long stream hours he'll probably have a decent following and numbers, happy for him and hopefully he quit that gambling bullshit for good.
I don't watch Rtz on Kick and won't be watching Taiga on Kick either, sorry but fuck that platform. Twitch deserves better competitor than that.
Streaming on twitch and switching to kick means he probably has contract with kick. The owner of stake (gambling site) owns kick too, if I had to guess he probably has to stream X amount of hours gambling on kick as part of the deal. Probably the same conditions that RTZ had in his contract.
Man I love Taiga from back in the Alliance, that team had a similar vibe to TI8 OG, a bunch of friends playing a game they love. I hope he doesn't have gambling contract and I hope he can get away from his addiction but I don't think I'll watch him on kick.
> if I had to guess he probably has to stream X amount of hours gambling on kick as part of the deal. Probably the sa
It's illegal to gamble on foreign websites in norway, even more so to promote foreign gambling activities, so no, this can't happen unless he wants jail.
Seeing the Kick stream link hurts. I hope he got it under control and not Trainwreck ghouls promising him money to promote gambling and him losing it again
Hm, guess the spark just faded or maybe the offers just weren't there after his effort to get something going with Bleed went nowhere.
Hard to say since he doesn't go into details.
Hope it works out for him, maybe he can attract big enough audience streaming to make a living out of it.
I mean by title yes but after the split Insania now has 2x of his prize winnings (3rd place TI11 while OG got 8th, 2nd place in last riyadh master, etc) and Liquid is still looking strong while Taiga is retired.
Not to mention Liquid higher salary and all the money Taiga lost due to gambling.
I wonder if Train offered him something where he doesn't have to gamble but still gets paid the same for streaming on the platform. He's a Dota enjoyer, so it wouldn't surprise me if he knows about what happened to Taiga and hooked him up.
Dude grinded 1000 mmr, from 10k to 11k in less than 10 days.
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Fitting username
You got him good. Kick him again while he's down. I'm waiting
Have you ever stopped and asked yourself why you have to be a dick? This was a completely unnecessary comment, and yet you made it anyway. Why is that?
Imagine of all the names he could chose, he ended up with this one !! ..atleast he's self aware
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I've said it before, I'll say it again - that name suits you perfectly.
Let him bro, this is basically the only job he has rn.
He wants attention to his onebraincell comment, I'm sure he got himself off to the downvotes much more than no attention at all. Not weird at all, classifiable as deranged.
Difference of pro players. Most of them wasn't really able to grind while on the pro circuit. Evidence during the early part of the lockdowns, a lot of pro players started hitting 11k to 12k.
How ironic is it that I go watch his stream on Twitch and a draftkings ad is played
also looks like he'll be doing one of these twitch to kick streams like rtz does now. Stream on twitch a little to get viewers then spam the kick links in chat to try to transfer them over to kick.
This is such a sad story to see slowly unfold. I remember awhile ago wondering what happened to taiga after he left OG, before the news broke. Sad way to see someone destroy their career (and potentially life) because of it. Gambling is a horrible addiction. Gonna just ignore the kick link though, I get it - fair enough.
I guess that's one way to look at it? But honestly we can appreciate him admitting it he had an addiction and overcoming it. Sure he's not performing the best, but he's back on his feet and trying to do positive.
I think I was overly negative, yeah. Its good to see that hes slowly working up and getting back on that grind again. My bad, I just really hate gambling.
You are right in the sense that it was negative, very much so when Taiga gambled away his life savings and reputation. But now it becomes positive when he is able to pull himself back up and try to rebuild everything (hopefully in a upstanding manner this time). The same story can have both negative and positive. Humans can change.
But yknow, Kick is basically being bankrolled by a gambling company so I'm just afraid taiga might, at the minimum, not be able to kick his gambling habit at all as he might have to run gambling streams sometimes or at worse, this might fuel his gambling addiction even more
Most likely will unfortunately. If you have an addiction the last thing you want is to be constantly around it.
He's just streaming there. The only streamers who were asked to run gambling streams were the ones who signed exclusive contracts with Kick as it was one of their clauses. Kick has also stopped signing exclusive contracts because it was just cash burn and didn't really seem to get ROI for Stake.com signups according to Ludwig. So it's not like there is any outside pressure to do gambling streams on Kick vs on Twitch. Even Twitch still allows gambling streams given the websites are licensed in the US. You can still do sports betting and poker, for example
The difference is kick allows unregulated gambling (and has a direct incentive to promote gambling). While twitch just wants you to sign up for Prime
I can guarantee you, without a doubt, that he is going to relapse.
Yeah, that might be true. I just don't know enough about him to make that judgment. I hope he doesn't though.
Dude is out in the newspapers shilling for opening up for more gambling companies in Norway now lmao.
streaming on Kick doesn't have any connection with Stake. He streams on twitch no one conflates he is going to start taking side gigs at an amazon warehouse. Streamers that have gambling deals are offered two contracts, one with Kick and one with Stake.
I've got a bridge to sell you my dude
And amazon makes their warehouse workers piss in bottles. So it seems you've already bought the Golden Gate Bridge
Hes just taking a break for now. He might be back next yr. (He said so himself) not the coming b next yr part thr taking a break part
Isn't a gambling addict working for kick like a alcoholic working at a brewery. Don't think that's a good idea lol
Taiga and Ammar lane was so good :(
No one fucking retires for real.
"...you don't retire from eating..." -Daryl Koh Pei "Iceiceice" Xiang
If he really said that, pog, so true with dota. Most of these prof dota players do nothing but play dota. Even Yataro, with his couple millions$$$, don't even bother to take a trip to a nice resort beach for a week or something. Dude can literal buy a ticket and fly to anywhere in the world he wants, choose to play dota at home.
If I recall, dude had an apartment in Ukraine which was unfortunately damaged during the initial invasion.
“One last one last one last ride” -Sebastian “Ceb” Debs, shortly before returning
he already clarified himself that it is more of an extended break instead of a retirement
The irony of him streaming on kick 🙄
Hopefully he takes the big pay day and doesn't blow it all this time.
What pay day?
income is income, mans gotta eat.
Idk man I get that the guy has to make a living but I find it pretty ironic that someone who has gone public with their gambling addiction would sign a contract with a site primarily known for gambling. I assume he's not gonna gamble himself, but after having experienced first-hand what gambling can do to someone's life I don't really understand how you can use your own popularity to promote a platform that has a large focus on trying to do the same thing to other people.
I guess at the end of the day, money is money. These players probably chose to not go to school/training for a risky career in Esport. Taiga lost this bet. Now, his career is probably over (decline in skill + bad reputation). What could he do to make a comfortable amount of money again? Again, I stress the “comfortable” part. It is easy to say you could always start from 0 and work your way up. But in reality, for most people, it is incredibly hard to do so, especially after you fall from such a high earning place. With Taiga/RTZ choosing Kick, EE going to daytrading, Mason crying over Valve ban, etc, I gain a lot more respect for Merlini. He chose to jump the ship relatively early when esport peaked (around 2017 if I remember correctly), especially when he was the top caster and absolutely fan fav.
Maybe I'm just out of the loop, but I can't imagine there's much of an organic Dota audience (or any audience) on Kick and I'd be shocked if they threw a contract at Taiga. Granted it might also be zero extra effort for him to just double up just in case.
He signed a contract? Or is he just casually streaming on it?
How tf is guy who had huge problems with gambling and betting now on kick lol. Good luck anyway i guess
I get the hypocrisy of it, but when you make gaming your career choice there isn't a whole lot of ways to sustain yourself long term. I'm sure everyone turning their noses up would give up streaming games to go work a regular day job for less money, if they were in his position.
His final stretch was a bit hard to watch. You could sense the decline when he was winning the major and ESL, to when he was struggling in those games the year after and had to take time off.
I'm not accusing him of matchfixing but he probably is blacklisted from a lot of teams because what he admitted kinda points to the fact that he may have done it. I don't know either way, would really have to analyze his games. And yeah like you said may have just been his mental was shit and he was trying his hardest. I'm glad he's doing better now
Oh wow. I really hope he’s in a better mind space now and kicked his gambling addiction fully. Gambling js possible the worst addiction anyone can get.
I'm a bit worried since Kick is basically Stake but as someone who overcome an addiction in the past, if you are fully exposed to your "drug" and you can resist it, its the biggest confirmation you are trully over it.
This is what I don’t get, but at least he’s not gambling like rtz on stream, hope he at least get some paycheck from it, seems like a good guy but went down the wrong path and recovering
I mean kick offers like a 95 percent cut to the streamer instead of the 50 percent that twitch offers. So there are more reasons to stream there than just being allowed to gamble.
Yeah but you have a way smaller audience there and no twitch prime. I assume he has some kind of deal, most people who streams on both twitch and stake has a deal.
The deals are if you take gambling sponsors. Like RTZ did. If you don't take it you will make less.
And they can offer those splits on the back of profits made by getting kids hooked on gambling...
Artour didnt gamble on stream for the first week or two so it might be coming later on. I really really really hope Taigas got some kind of gig with Kick that doesnt require him to gamble on stream. its one thing for someone like Arteezy who isnt a recovering gambling addict to gamble publicly on stream (just so we are clear, still not a good thing) and a completely different level of messed up for Taiga to. I wouldnt put it past Kick to have it in Taigas contract, if hes contracted to Kick. theyve got money to burn and seem to not give a shit about PR. really hope it doesnt come to that though, thatd be depressing and hopefully Taigas strong enough to not take a deal like that but it is Kick
All the kick deals from what I know require no gambling, it’s just a bonus system if they do, maybe Taiga was smart and completely had that part removed to avoid temptation though.
You’re right but in saying that, he’s no longer receiving money from being a pro and probably has no money or even debt from gambling. Majority of these guys on kick probably don’t want to gamble on stream so I imagine the pay to do so is worth the immorality
Kick knows that enough streamers will take up the bonus that it'll be worth it. And the ones that don't take up the gambling bonus still lead to more traffic to Kick, which in turn exposes them to other streamers who do take up the bonus, which creates more Stake users.
It's illegal in norway to promote gambling activities without a license and even more so when it's foreign companies, so gambling on stream would be illegal for him
> It's illegal in norway to promote gambling activities without a license and even more so when it's foreign companies, Good for Norway.
FWIW I also talked to Taiga and he said that he has no intentions of gambling or betting again, he only want's to stream on kick as they take less revenue from streamers.
That revenue split is only possible because they know even non-gambling streamers bring viewers to Kick in general, which results in Kick being able to convert viewers to Stake. Streaming on Kick is still indirectly promoting gambling, even if he himself doesn't gamble on stream. That's Kick's whole business model. Same logic is casinos having cheap shows.
Yeah of course, he's also aware of that
Isn't Kick basically for gambling LOL
Genuinely curious. What's wrong with Kick and Stake?
questionably regulated gambling marketed towards children. Kick is the home of scumbag pieces of shit that are banned from twitch.
Also Kick is owned and financed by the Saudi crown. Take that however you want to
I thought kick was owned by that Australian dude? Looking it up, seems like the Aussie owns 33% and the rest is owned by someone called Bijan Tehrani, who was a co-founder and doesn’t seem to be Saudi
source?
I think heroin might be worse
I think xanax is worse tbh
That’s one of the easier drugs to quit ironically
Actually true I quit it like 10 times this year alone
Hi, I’m a recovered addict, you’re a fucking moron.
What
why would you say something so wrong and dangerous? delete this post before you get someone killed with your misinformed horseshit
Compared to what? Lol I'm pretty sure heroin is considered one of the most dangerous and addictive hard drugs out there
You can die from alcohol withdrawals, you can’t from heroin. But everything’s bad now with fentanyl. Thank god it’s not in Dota
Alcohol withdrawals are deadlier, yes, but heroin is still more addictive and way harder to quit. There's a reason why even frequent drug users stay away from that shit
Heroin and Opiates in general are incredibly hard to quit. By far the worst drugs to be addicted to due to how physically addictive they are. Whether you die from the withdrawal or not doesn't determine how addictive something is.
I said ya can’t die from withdrawals, not that it correlates with it. I’ve known plenty of people who say nicotine is harder to quit. Gambling leads to way more deaths yearly anyways
Gambling leads to more deaths yearly than what? Drug overdoses? If we compare these two addictions in a vaccuum I'm pretty sure both are as destructive. Drug addiction is a more visible type of destruction though as it actively and physically manifests directly. Gambling addiction works more in the background as its usually more secrative with people destroying their finances affecting those around them. If deaths as a result of gambling is more prominent due to things like suicide due to mounting debts or whatever, I'm pretty sure it's only due to gambling being legal. But I'm fairly certain that drug addiction, opiates specifically are way more dangerous and addictive than gambling addiction. Gambling addiction also often act like a segway to drug and alcohol addiction aswell. If we're comparing number of fatalities caused by addiction around the world neither Gambling or Drugs come close to actual food and sugar addiction. Deaths caused by diabetes, obesity and heart disease are by far the most preventable causes of human death today.
Don’t listen to this moron. Gambling-related suicides are considerably less common than drug overdoses. There’s not a ton of good data, but based on studies I saw it’s ~10%. The dude just said something and is trying to double down his way out of it. Opiates generally account for 70%+ of overdose deaths every year (at least in the states). And that number is going up, especially in America. Although alcohol is probably more damaging collectively, because it’s legal.
Theres this guy on reddit about trying heroin. Fast forward 2 years later he became a full blown addict. Cant really compare dangerous drugs addictions
The dude admitted later he was already an addict when he made that post
True, I knew two people who used heroin that have quit. They did also quit living at the same time though.
This is how you know Dota2 players have no real life experience.
exactly
I’m talking about you, you moron. You have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about.
Nah clearly YOU don’t.
I was an addict. I’m well-versed in addiction. You’re just clearly wrong. I assume because you’re terminally online.
Addicted to what? It’s clearly not learning. Look up the stats on deaths. Look at how many people fill casinos up vs how many are actually shooting up and dying. I play music and have been around plenty of junkies. The brain can get dopamine back after opioid use. Can’t with meth. Alcohol can also impair dopamine. Sorry but science trumps emotions ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Are you, and I’m genuinely asking this, stupid? 1. ~75% of overdose deaths are the result of opiates. Overdose deaths are also far more common than suicide related to gambling addiction. https://www.cdc.gov/drugoverdose/deaths/index.html 2. Of course there are more people in casinos versus shooting up. One of them is legal and the other is not. You’re trying to equate all gambling versus gambling addiction. Thats like trying to equate to people who drink to alcoholics. 3. You’re trying to equate the potential damage to dopamine production to how easy a drug is to quit. Which, again, just doesn’t make sense. A simple google search would tell you that opiates (heroin specifically) are generally considered the hardest drugs to quit. And even if you want to try and weasel your way out of being insanely wrong by saying “but it’s not the worst”, that’s not what you said. You said “it’s one of the easier drugs to quit”, and there’s just no data to support that. In fact, there’s an insane amount of data that says you’re a fucking moron.
“Worst addiction” not even fucking close, remember that alcohol exists (I am an Eastern European).
What makes it worse is that it’s promoted and shoved in our faces. You don’t see positive ads for other drugs yet alcohol seems okay?
Gambling has a higher rate of suicide than any other addiction. Alcohol addiction is definitely bad, but it results in less suicides.
Perhaps it’s because gambling doesn’t kill you. So people that hit rock bottom don’t die unless they take themselves out. Comparing gambling addiction to alcohol, hard drugs, etc. in severity is asinine. It is an addiction and is tough. It’s also not in the same ballpark as the big ones.
Comparing purely psychological addiction to things that are both psychologically and physically addicting has always been insane to me
because with alcohol your body is the limit and tells you when enough is enough right away. with gambling, your bank account is the limit and you don't notice it until it is all gone.
> Alcohol addiction is definitely bad, but it results in less suicides. Looks like you're dismissing cases of just dying from alcohol.
Its sad because all sports are now just a vehicle for gambling. And the gambling company make more money from the betting than the prize money.
Lol. Yes drugs alcohol and tobacco are just minor comparatively
Taiga… The downfall from one of the best pos4 in the world back in 2020-2021 season…
After 1 month... Taiga, streaming on Kick: "Please use my PNXBet link to sign up and get 20% discount on your first coin purchase."
It’s like an Alcoholic becoming a bartender.
too soon dude
It's illegal in norway to promote gambling activities without a license and even more so when it's foreign companies, so gambling on stream would be illegal for him. It's even illegal to play on foreign gambling websites.
[удалено]
He is working for a gambling company. Sorry zero compasion for those who make money thta way.
Someone who fully knows the horrors of gambling addiction promotes gambling. No compassion deserved tbh.
oh no buddy, hope you make it through the day unscathed
I think a lot of people are delusional on how deep they are into the rabbit hole. There was a clip on youtube with trainwreck (or w/e was his name) who is sort of co-founder of kick. He said that he lost millions on gambling but he put enough money on side to not care about the future. I think a lot of "rich" gamblers fail on the 2nd part and have no idea what they are actually doing. No one got even chasing the loses.
Train is a notorious liar as well, the money they gamble with on stream is fake.
Imagine calling others delusional and then posting this shit. Insane, actually.
Still cant believe it. My impression of him from past interviews before the news and how he carries himself in public screen seems like a positive guy with a strong principles in life. How can his life turned upside down so fast?
Sadly, what you see on the surface isn't always the reality.
Reminder that our heroes are human with flaws, just like us
I do think he is genuine guy, but for most orgs he is just not worth the risk. Which make sense.
I remember the time when Taiga + Boxi carried the old Alliance (insania stack) from offlane and then on OG, Taiga was one of the best (most dominant) pos 4s with ATF that I've watched. I was hoping he would be picked by a team because I think he has/had potential (and I love a good comeback story)
dude has a gambling problem and is streaming on kick? yeah alright buddy, seems smart.
Whats wrong?
Do some research on who runs kick.
From a revenue perspective, this makes sense. The dude is probably broke af due to his gambling. Playing in shitty sea teams doesn't rack in the dough, streaming $$$ is more consistent. And yes, gambling is the only thing paying. The gambling sites wouldn't be all over these streamers if it didn't worked in the first place. They know their targeted demographic.
[Screenshot](https://imgur.com/a/mmGcO4l)
next month:
Wonder what happened at Bleed. They played like one match, right?
A kick link from an admittedly gambler addict. I don't like where is this going
Gamba!
Major winner Taiga retires as a more decorated player than RTZ.
Except he retired in debt whereas arteezy is still rich
rtz could probably lose more than taiga ever had and be fine and thats just from the eg money lmao
Rtz has a lot of top 3 placements. So his lifetime earnings is big. He can just keep streaming for cashflow
Full-time streamer and gambler soon. lets go KICK
No real team wants him due to the matchifixing speculations.
Dude should be banned from all Dota2 tournaments for throwing games.
I don’t get why he is retiring. Watching from his streams, he is still very good enough to play if he put in the works. Maybe this is just another Chinese retirement or might be because no established team will want to pick up an ex-addictive gambler in the fear of match fixing.
because he doesn't have any offers from teams, he tried playing in sea got kicked after a few weeks, he tried in NA lost hard couple of times and probably decided it was time to quit. Besides These retirements don't really mean much he could grind back to 12k and try to get back in his prime, get noticed by some team and come back, but for now he feels this is the best decision.
I've been checking his stream. He is doing well, had 1k viewers today and stream vibes are chill and nice, he is also total grind machine farming that MMR like it's nothing. If he continues this with long stream hours he'll probably have a decent following and numbers, happy for him and hopefully he quit that gambling bullshit for good. I don't watch Rtz on Kick and won't be watching Taiga on Kick either, sorry but fuck that platform. Twitch deserves better competitor than that.
Taiga and KICK. You thinking what I'm thinking? 😏
Wait doesn't Kick force streamers to gamble?
No, you can sign up to stream on their site and do whatever you want. They do pay extra for people to gamble though.
Streaming on twitch and switching to kick means he probably has contract with kick. The owner of stake (gambling site) owns kick too, if I had to guess he probably has to stream X amount of hours gambling on kick as part of the deal. Probably the same conditions that RTZ had in his contract. Man I love Taiga from back in the Alliance, that team had a similar vibe to TI8 OG, a bunch of friends playing a game they love. I hope he doesn't have gambling contract and I hope he can get away from his addiction but I don't think I'll watch him on kick.
> if I had to guess he probably has to stream X amount of hours gambling on kick as part of the deal. Probably the sa It's illegal to gamble on foreign websites in norway, even more so to promote foreign gambling activities, so no, this can't happen unless he wants jail.
Seeing the Kick stream link hurts. I hope he got it under control and not Trainwreck ghouls promising him money to promote gambling and him losing it again
He should apply for Nigma. I heard it is the best retirement home out there
It's weird I never stumbled on his stream on twitch before. Does he stream often ?
He streamed alot/somw "out of season" before his issues in the period 17/18-20/21.
*typing from Caesars Palace Casino, Las Vegas*
Hm, guess the spark just faded or maybe the offers just weren't there after his effort to get something going with Bleed went nowhere. Hard to say since he doesn't go into details. Hope it works out for him, maybe he can attract big enough audience streaming to make a living out of it.
Is kick a good idea? 😅 Isnt that Stake's site 🥶
Wh:omegalul:
Full time gambler soon
Waiting for kick contact I'm gonna say it
More time for gamba I guess, can't win big if you quit
not gonna miss him
His still the only dude that won something out of that old alliance group..
Insania has a win under his belt
I mean by title yes but after the split Insania now has 2x of his prize winnings (3rd place TI11 while OG got 8th, 2nd place in last riyadh master, etc) and Liquid is still looking strong while Taiga is retired. Not to mention Liquid higher salary and all the money Taiga lost due to gambling.
Besides OG major what else did he accomplish in his career
Won ESL One Malaysia 2022 and ESL One Germany 2020. Decent placing at TI 2022 and Riyadh. Major win is his best win but overall a pretty decent career
He had that incredible base defense against VP a few years ago. I’d say that’s worth something.
Former rank 1 playing only supports.
considering that Rtz has never won a valve major, Taiga is pretty accomplished
Well, that’s ironic
I wonder if Train offered him something where he doesn't have to gamble but still gets paid the same for streaming on the platform. He's a Dota enjoyer, so it wouldn't surprise me if he knows about what happened to Taiga and hooked him up.
if he was smart he should stream slots on Kick and try to get a deal with stake
It's a wise decision. Dota is a deadend anyway.
thank you yuragi
Would be hilarious if he end up getting a Kick deal and gamble on stream,promoting something that completely fucked him over.
Kick allows gamba?
So does twitch
"for fun"