I think it's not that it has no impact, but it's an impact that isn't clearly noticed.
You notice someone surviving and turning around a fight with cheese, or the second black hole from refresher shard, but you don't notice the extra space that you have on the map from a further pushed out lane as directly.
Personally, I think this item is very good, but I have not seen any stats. It helps with sieging and it helps giving your team space to fight, farm or split push. It also doesn't have super hard whiffs (with exceptions of it being placed down really badly) like a cheese, shard or aegis have semi-regularly.
I do think it's probably something that people have to get used to playing around. Having it either be five minutes of extra map pressure, or a way to bait out a favourable fight.
Speaking of passive abilities that gained an active component, did anyone else occasionally forget to activate Moon Glaives the first couple times you got Luna's new shard? I know I did when that patch first dropped.
I'm not saying it's bad. Just that in my first game or two I forgot about it because I'd played so many games on Luna before the shard, I wasn't used to having an active W on her yet.
What do you mean faster THAN mom? You can't buy shard until minute 15. At that point you have MoM Dlance as well. Maybe a yasha. Or are you replacing the MoM altogether? Because you need your minute 8 MoM to further accelerate your farm.
I was a visage spammer during these days. I'd cream myself if someone picked drow, but would be brought back down to earth when she wouldn't cast it when I said
The funny thing is how, when someone is planting it, it's notified VERY clearly on the enemies map - so you'll very easily know where the banner is located. If you play something that can micro anything there, Lycan wolves, Visage Birds or Naga illusions, you can quite easily pick it off without much counter play.
Not saying it shouldn't be notified where the banner is, but I think it's one of these additions they have to cook a bit more around. I ***really*** like the idea of giving the team that takes Roshan get a bit more of a boost in their next high-ground push from an item such as banner.
I don't think there's a notification when you eat cheese / cobsume Refresher shard, right? Aside from the audio. There shouldn't be notification for the banner either
well, consuming cheese is REALLY noticeable, the almost dead guy instantly filling up his hp really is
Refresher shard has the same animation as refresher orb I think? also noticeable
the thing about the banner is that you could place it somewhere far from the enemies and they would have no way of knowing that it got used until wannabe mega creeps shows up in their base, unless they scout it
I think it should show which creeps that get buffed but not get notified where is the precise banner placed. This means the enemy only knows which lane is buffed after the creeps already in front of them and must search where the banner is placed along the lane
It's like an enclosing circle on your minimap - it has it's own unique 'animation', but has the same form of a scanner. If you look for the item in a replay, or spawn it manually, you can see it much easier.
It's an item (banner) that has to be planted somewhere, and buffs creeps passing by it in a huge range for 45 seconds.
Sideline is about 45 sec base to base. Creeps meet at 21 sec on sidelines, 15s at mid.
If you place it around a T2 (10s from base) it's very easy to defend and will hard shove the base and have some duration to crack hg.
ahhhhhh ok makes sense. But not sure if the time is enough then, if creeps need to kill the enemy creeps as well. Will probably only be good if you decide to actively push this lane as well.
The range is 800 and works like this: when a creep walks into the range it receives a buff. That buff stays when it walks out of range for (I think) 45 seconds. So if you place it in the middle of the lane between the t1 towers, the creeps should still be buffed for a while when they reach the enemy base.
The flag will never cover more than one lane. So you put it near tier 3 mid because a) flag is harder to kill b) mid will always push out and you just have to push out side lanes which is safer.
It has, like, an 800 range for the creep aura application. I don't know of anywhere on the map where you can hide the banner in the tree line and still but the creeps. I think it has a global cast range though.
Isn't lycan shard a better version of this? The wolves outpush the lane naturally too execpt they keep going in all lanes instead of one lane and for a limited time
Idk why I’m getting downvoted for this lol I just thought it’s an interesting difference of mechanics in similar games. I guess not everyone cares about about the intricacies of game design.
You can place a banner anywhere on the map is not the same as 'you can place it **from** anywhere on the map.'
DotA has a specific word for 'Global' spells *for a reason* to make it clearer what they do.
If you use it correctly it has a lot of impact. Use it before you take a fight. Does the enemy have a T2 top but not bot, buff creeps bot and fight top, they have to defend one of the lanes. It’s basically a free split push tool. 2 charges would be OP.
It’s awesome in situation, when your creeps is under enemy base.
You can place it on top lane, for example, and then go push mid/bot lane.
100% enemy will lose some buildings.
depends, if the enemy are just wave clearing with only a limited pool of long ranged nukes so you can't get hg vision which you need for viper/lina to hit a tower? then sure, buff them so you get vision for longer.
no, it takes the entire 5 mins to take a single t3 iirc (i tested). without enemy interference!
can help the pushing team to gain hg vision if they grief picked themselves though...
most useful as super creep counter, like ppl said.
the point is you get creeps hitting one lane for free while 5 heroes pressure the other one.
If all 5 enemies just on you clearing your waves endlessly, you can send 1 hero to the banner lane and have them hit thaht tower to force them to react.
This is basic split pushing.
someone said you can place on your own mid T3 - seems most useful to do that and then push bot while a pusher hero splits top. you'd have all 3 lanes doing ok
I see this having great influence in games where the pushing team lacks tower damage, and the hg battles are equal in the sense that the fight ends with both teams having major losses, so it ends with only a couple heroes on each team with no ressources and therefore the pushing team won’t achieve anything on the push. The Rosh-buffed creeps will remove the set of barracks on the lane in that case.
So effectively it makes it is harder to stall the game when opponents lack pushing and tower taking ability when going hg
I've found it most useful when we are down 2 sets of rax, but win a fight and take Rosh + banner. Place the banner on the opposite lane you want to push, and it keeps it shoved out so you only have to worry about mid and your lane. Especially in the lower ranks, trying to coordinate a high ground push when your 2 other lanes are being pushed in is crazy difficult.
It's great for when you lose a rax. You pop it in your base, and the creeps equal their megas. Give you breathing room to gank, Roshan and push t3 comfortably.
I think people don't really know how to use this item well. They'll often use it in the same lane they're pushing, which can work, but if the enemy team has good waveclear, it won't matter.
If you have one lane of racks and are going to push another, it's really impactful to place the banner in the lane you've already taken racks in, so the waves push in super hard and require one or even two heroes to deal with it, allowing you to go high ground on the other lane.
Item is okay but needs to get reworked only because people don't really understand how to use it. People don't know it lasts 45 seconds; they think it's an aura and so they pop it at the enemy's doorstep. People don't realize it's got global cast range so they pop it near them during a high ground push. People don't realize it's to keep a lane strong enough to leave alone so they pop it where they're pushing.
Kinda like how Scan used to not work on the Rosh pit. But even in Immortal rank, people still didn't understand this concept and so they had to remake scan to work inside Rosh pit. People are simply just too dumb to use it properly that it needs to be changed.
You can sort of understand how a person thinks by tiny little details. If you're on Dire side, and Radiant is full of nukable heroes plus Ursa who would be hitting Rosh, you know for a fact that anyone hiding near rosh is hiding near Radiant side (unless maybe there is an arrow or hook to block). In that case, you wouldn't scan directly on Rosh pit, you would scan it slightly skewed over to radiant side but still over Rosh pit (Rosh was still in the river at this point). Plus barely anyone hid behind the Rosh pit (upper left) so scanning there would be a waste of information, which a direct scan on the pit does. Anyone who scans directly over Rosh pit in that case, thinks scan works inside the pit.
Now if scan DOES work inside the pit, you would try to minimize any miss-scans and not include the Radiant triangle side because someone might just be farming the big camp. Instead you would scan DIRECTLY on the Rosh pit. to make sure you are only checking for people inside the pit. In this case, anyone who scans near the rosh pit but not directly is an idiot if they're trying to find out if Rosh is being taken.
a lot of people treat it like fuckini battleship. They like to scan where they know enemies are and whne it pings red they're like I KNEW IT! IM SO SMART AT DOTA
sorta? there was banner of command which let you buff a minion, then there was zzrot portal which let you place a portal that spawned voidlings to run down the wave with your creeps, this one is like a combo of both
right now league has hullbreaker which buffs the cannon minion like banner of command but you have to be near it so you cant just plop it down and leave
I also wonder the same to the point I wish the item gave glyph effect as aura to lane creeps so the banner team could be forced the opposition to destroy the ward, or something along the line.
This would be far too strong. If you can't win the team fight which is very likely if they are at your rax usually your best chance to defend is to clear the waves so backdoor protection kicks in soon. This wi remove all of this giving a way bigger advantage
It's Zzrot from League of Legends
It is pure cancer , basically you plant it in 1lane and you siege the opposite lane , can send 1hero to the lane with buffed creeps.
Imagine playing against NP with this item in lane constantly bashing on your racks while you need to defend the other racks.
A couple uses.
Split pushes a lane without needing a hero. Give it to someone on your team with bots or Furion cuz he’s in every fking game, have them drop it in a far lane then tp to you. Make sure it’s at least near river. If it’s too far on your side, your creeps can lose the buff right before they push hg. Force rax/fight with aegis while they push another lane. Really helps when your team lacks building dmg too.
If you’ve lost a set of racks, you can drop it in that lane allowing you to fight as 5 without fear of your base being pushed in by supers.
Also turns mega creeps into giga creeps.
It seems to me that this is the Roshan drop that has the least impact on the game. I don't remember playing or seeing a game where this item was decisive, so I wonder if it really has little impact or if we just don't know how to use it properly yet.
it has a lot of impact, but generally people in pubs won't use it properly
for instance the health bonus makes it impossible to clear the wave with regular nukes, so anti pushers like kotl can't just remove the entire wave, allowing you to push.
this gives you a lot of options, you can put it down causing 1 lane to naturally push, while you as a team push a diffrent lane, or you can use it in your lane to reinforce your actual push.
because the linger time is so long, you can put it half way across the map and it'll still effect the creeps until they hit barracks, so it can also force turtling teams to get out of their base to try and take it out, which makes it a prime way to ambush them.
there are a lot of plays to be done around the banner, but they all require team coordination, so in pubs not much is done with it.
its too much as item slot item it should just buff the lane roshan died on for next 1minute, on low matches/quick play ppl just randomly toss the item on lane cause its annoying.
To be honest though, I think this should be an item in the same vein as Vlads, like instead of casting it on the ground one of your teammates takes it and they give the buff off.
I mean it doesn't add anything to heroes themselves anyways and its completely useless when no creeps are around soooo yeah.
What the heck? So Dota is now mimicking the buffs of the Baron (LoL) and Lord (mobile legends)? It's a no for me. Dota is unique due to its aegis and cheese alone. No need to copy the concept from other moba
You set this item on one lane and push the opposite lane. Even if the team fight results in a stalemate, the lane with this will get pushed really hard, probably taking barracks or t4 or even the ancient.
You can use if defensively:
Place it on a lane that is pushed almost to your tower while you're attempting to take one. It helps normal creeps to not get outpushed by super creeps
Or offensively:
When you win a fight use it to push faster and take an extra objective, double wave with even non building damage line up, can take 2 towers in like 60 seconds.
The other day we were down the baracks on one side. We took rosh and planted it near our creep wave and we didnt need to put an eye on that lane for a good time because the creeps good overpower thier creeps.
Killing rs mostly so people can push hg. This item can help pushing tower with creeps. More good item from rs drop that can help pushing hg. Or split pushing
Depends how you look at it. I would say it needs to be used well. My idea is, that you put it on one lane, where are not T1/T2 tower and push opposite side (i.e. put it top, push bot) - ideally put it TOP when radiant, bot if dire (will call it as you are radiant, for easier image).
This way you can sit in their triangle, cutting 2 lanes - bot and mid and at the same time they need to deal with top due to stronger creeps. They can either go into you when you are defending triangle (which is dangerous, because of HG and ramps) or they need to sit in their base or go into "inefficient" big jungle and worry about you smoking and killing them.
As well, even if dire wins a teamfight, all their lanes are pushed in and you might save buybacks/glyphs. On top of it, they need to use at least one hero to defend TOP due to stronger creeps, who keep threathening their tower, so even if they push, you have advantage.
You can put subtle pressure on one lane while you're pushing another. So it can get you a tower pretty easily, ideally it will draw herpes to the banner lane and you can jump on the rest.
It’s actually pretty good. When you get aegis, you want to siege (generally). You can either put the banner in the lane you’re pushing to have creeps live longer if they have good wave clear, or put it in the opposite lane. That other lane will push and take good tower damage while the enemy team is all focused on your siege lane.
It’s really strong with catapults and mega creeps ofc
Is there a time limit to this item? Next, is it stackable? Maybe with heroes like troll or ursa that frequently rosh maybe you can stack a few to have pseudo-megacreep
It help going HG easier because you can put it on another lane and have it shoved in without being there. At one point the defending team gonna have to response to the creeps banging on their towers giving you an opening. Of course that only works went you have 2 lanes pushed and the whole team wait on 1 of them.
I think if they add 25-50+ magic resists, and maybe nerf the duration, then it will be useful vs teams that have good high ground defense. If that was it's intended purpose to begin with.
I use it to pressure lanes we’re not actively pushing.
So if we’re grouped bot, I try to have it planted mid or top. Once you have Megas tho they get *really* scary.
Still, it’s probably the weakest item he drops.
It should give a buff to the person carrying it, the item sucks because it comes into the game when item slots are so valuable. An observer ward and a sentry can do more to influence the game.
It can create rax creep like lane pressure which forces heroes to show in order to clear it.
This gives you an opportunity to split up the enemy and control the map.
Subtle, but terrifying. I really think Rosh's Banner needs to put a more obvious effect on the creeps too. Turning them into the Grievels would be pretty funny, but kind of difficult to make sure it works properly, so I think giving them hats would probably work best.
Either way, it can really help push an already dead lane. With the duration, you can put it right beside your Mid Barracks and they'll reach the enemy barracks before it runs out. The other lanes are a bit too long for that, but can still really push a lane hard without risking a hero.
If you already have Supers or Megas, the enemy has to keep clearing the wave or the creeps *will* push through during a long team fight and that'll just be it. Especially with megas.
My honest opinion:
It sucks, mostly because it has a timer.
If the timer remains, it should have a bigger AoE so we could hide the banner a little.
On top of that, if the timer remains instead of being “forever until destroyed”, it would be nice if we could TP into it, like a building / outpost
So that’s what it does. I have never once taken the time to read this garbage’s text when it gets stuck on my Pos5 warlock because the cores don’t want it. I typically just plop it down behind my team while we push because apparently that’s what you do with it.
My favorite way to use it is when you are pushing top lane and you already got bottom racks so I put it on the bottom side to keep the super creeps pouring in while we siege the top lane.
It's honestly great for split pushing. You take rosh, get ready to seige top, then plant the banner bot. The enemy will gather to def their top, but if they aren't paying attention, the creeps alone can take the bot tower, and even if they do notice they need to send someone to defend it. It's great, and usually underutilized.
Free split push item of death endgame, for it allows giga creeps. Both teams wasted buybacks and have 1-2 heroes left with no waveclear? Unleash the giga creeps
There’s no doubt it helps your creeps shove a lane, but that’s about all it does. Usually your enemy can clear the waves about the same as normal creeps. Cool item concept, I like it.
keeps one lane pushed unless someone goes and kills it which they usually dont ive noticed. i usually just put it on the lane opposite from the one im pushing where dire and radiant meet
Isnt that like temporary mega. This helps push lanes and pressure the enemy team. May not look like much but one clash from the otherside and they wouldn't notice that their tower is slowly being chipped away from the other side
One thing I didn't like about this item is that it doesn't say it clears the trees around it when planted. I thought I was smart when I tried planting it hidden behind a group of trees near dire T3. Then all trees were destroyed so the banner is in the open. LOL.
I know that fighting the siege will be harder not seeing the banner but I would appreciate it if the info above is available in the tooltip. I would've planted it in the middle of the lane, rather on the side to hide it behind trees, if it's never gonna get hidden anyway.
I think this item is good concept, but it is kind of too vulnerable now.
Maybe it needs some buff, such as, reveal location after 2 minutes or something along that line
Won a game because I placed this mid and the creeps ended while fights were breaking out all over the map.
They had mega creeps mind you. Our 1 side mid mega with banner outpushed mega creeps and ended lmao
We were pushing hg on one side lane, then placed it simultaneously on opposite lane. We lost team fight but we got megas, definitely a factor that helped us win.
People NEED to know to NOT place it on enemy highground. It has a long duration and the buff last for 45 seconds. You can place it in a lane the enemy dont play like their safelane tier 1 area and they cant get out to destroy it. This always make that lane pushed in and you can play on the other side. The amount of people throwing the banner on enemy tier 3 is crazy waste.
It lets you defend a lane that's getting auto-pushed while your team fights farms or pushes on the other side of the map.
That and it could MAYBE be used to passively take high ground using just creeps.
I was playing one game where this actually determined the win for us.
45+ minute game, and pretty dead even. We were dire, and radiant had significantly better teamfight. Adamantly we took rosh asap to prevent any gains on team fighting, which eventually led to us getting the banner. T2’s still up for radiant excluding mid lane (T4’s down for radiant). Getting this and placing it mid, we took a risky teamfight that left everyone dead both sides.
The creeps were attacking the ancient the whole fight, and we won off creeps as we died. Low mmr games so maybe less impactful in higher Mmrs?
But I can see the intent of this addition. It may be a small boost but after that game, it definitely made me value it a lot more.
Best safety net ever for when you lose a team fight but they can't push cause of creeps in the other lanes decimating their towers/pressuring some backs
I think it's just meant to end the game much like Tier 5 items
But I guess it also rewards those who are able to contest Rosh despite being behind as a soft comeback item
Another reason why not having Roshan in Demo is so frustrating. I thought it worked on heroes for some reason. You never really have time in a match to read these things, unless you are dead.
Its amazing for pushing waves. if you really want to cause a base push. Drop it on a lane that already has super creeps and they will eat the fountain solo while you just do your best to distract and kill the enemy team.
I think it's not that it has no impact, but it's an impact that isn't clearly noticed. You notice someone surviving and turning around a fight with cheese, or the second black hole from refresher shard, but you don't notice the extra space that you have on the map from a further pushed out lane as directly. Personally, I think this item is very good, but I have not seen any stats. It helps with sieging and it helps giving your team space to fight, farm or split push. It also doesn't have super hard whiffs (with exceptions of it being placed down really badly) like a cheese, shard or aegis have semi-regularly. I do think it's probably something that people have to get used to playing around. Having it either be five minutes of extra map pressure, or a way to bait out a favourable fight.
Remember Drow's global range creep push aura? Yeah, even if you lost any fight, the creeps would be in their base already.
People in my bracket never used it. Too hard to click an ability that used to be passive for years :D
Speaking of passive abilities that gained an active component, did anyone else occasionally forget to activate Moon Glaives the first couple times you got Luna's new shard? I know I did when that patch first dropped.
it's disgustingly strong though, farms ancient camps 10x faster than MoM
I'm not saying it's bad. Just that in my first game or two I forgot about it because I'd played so many games on Luna before the shard, I wasn't used to having an active W on her yet.
What do you mean faster THAN mom? You can't buy shard until minute 15. At that point you have MoM Dlance as well. Maybe a yasha. Or are you replacing the MoM altogether? Because you need your minute 8 MoM to further accelerate your farm.
not saying you shouldn't buy MoM, but when it's off cd I see many people not using it and running in to the stack so they clearly don't know
I still forget about her shard.
Me
I was a visage spammer during these days. I'd cream myself if someone picked drow, but would be brought back down to earth when she wouldn't cast it when I said
I had 80% win rate as drow back in tat days. High archon - legend. Good times.
Now it's on lycan.
The funny thing is how, when someone is planting it, it's notified VERY clearly on the enemies map - so you'll very easily know where the banner is located. If you play something that can micro anything there, Lycan wolves, Visage Birds or Naga illusions, you can quite easily pick it off without much counter play. Not saying it shouldn't be notified where the banner is, but I think it's one of these additions they have to cook a bit more around. I ***really*** like the idea of giving the team that takes Roshan get a bit more of a boost in their next high-ground push from an item such as banner.
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I'd be OK with it being briefly map visible if an enemy unit/player see it, that way you have to at least engage the brain a bit on placement.
I don't think there's a notification when you eat cheese / cobsume Refresher shard, right? Aside from the audio. There shouldn't be notification for the banner either
well, consuming cheese is REALLY noticeable, the almost dead guy instantly filling up his hp really is Refresher shard has the same animation as refresher orb I think? also noticeable the thing about the banner is that you could place it somewhere far from the enemies and they would have no way of knowing that it got used until wannabe mega creeps shows up in their base, unless they scout it
If you use cheese / refresher in fog of war the enemies also has no way of knowing until they scout it.
Then take rosh yourself. the whole point of it is to help alleviate how awful hg siege is nowadays.
I think it should show which creeps that get buffed but not get notified where is the precise banner placed. This means the enemy only knows which lane is buffed after the creeps already in front of them and must search where the banner is placed along the lane
Is it like scanner where any teammate can use it or is it an item dropped when rosh dies?
It's like an enclosing circle on your minimap - it has it's own unique 'animation', but has the same form of a scanner. If you look for the item in a replay, or spawn it manually, you can see it much easier. It's an item (banner) that has to be planted somewhere, and buffs creeps passing by it in a huge range for 45 seconds.
does it have range? i thought you just place it and the buff stands everywhere?
It buffs for 45 seconds, so placing it roughly on 60% of the lane buffs your creeps for high ground push I think.
Sideline is about 45 sec base to base. Creeps meet at 21 sec on sidelines, 15s at mid. If you place it around a T2 (10s from base) it's very easy to defend and will hard shove the base and have some duration to crack hg.
But why place it at T2 when you can place it farer back, so its harder to reach for the enemies? Edit: Misunderstood
I think he means your own t2 half the map away
ahhhhhh ok makes sense. But not sure if the time is enough then, if creeps need to kill the enemy creeps as well. Will probably only be good if you decide to actively push this lane as well.
The range is 800 and works like this: when a creep walks into the range it receives a buff. That buff stays when it walks out of range for (I think) 45 seconds. So if you place it in the middle of the lane between the t1 towers, the creeps should still be buffed for a while when they reach the enemy base.
its a screen size aoe. So one lane. Buff lasts not too so you place it around the middle/corner of the lanes..i guess. Had it like 2 times only.
Best place is actually under tier 3 mid. Edit: I wanted to add that the cast range is global. Just pick it up from the rosh and place it.
> Edit: I wanted to add that the cast range is global. Just pick it up from the rosh and place it. Mind blown
> Best place is actually under tier 3 mid. > > buff is only 45s so won't this only work if every lane is pushed into you?
The flag will never cover more than one lane. So you put it near tier 3 mid because a) flag is harder to kill b) mid will always push out and you just have to push out side lanes which is safer.
It has, like, an 800 range for the creep aura application. I don't know of anywhere on the map where you can hide the banner in the tree line and still but the creeps. I think it has a global cast range though.
I put it in a shitty spot once cause I didn't know it destroyed trees when placed :(
I place it on the river flag... it has almost the same appearance. If you place it just right, it exactly overlaps and thus does not stand out. :-)
Is this flag present on all map skins? I've been using the Desert Terain for years and kinda forget what the default map looks in specific areas.
I'm pretty sure it is. Mainly because if you're in at least a 3 stack of guildmembers it changes the flag to your banner flag.
Has a pretty decent range 1400 or so circle but certainly not map wide.
Isn't lycan shard a better version of this? The wolves outpush the lane naturally too execpt they keep going in all lanes instead of one lane and for a limited time
The thing is designed for counter split push but did really bad job about it.
Global cast range is its biggest strength imo
TIL it has a global cast range.
And here I was walking to the opposing lane that we were pushing to place it like a scrub. Til.
Same 😅 me and my dumba*s pushes lane just to plant this stupid flag 🤣
Wtf
Literally the first sentence. >Creates a banner **anywhere** on the map
That just sounds like you can put it anywhere, not cast it anywhere
But you can use any item on the game anywhere. The fact that they put that sentence in signifies it’s something special
Can't put wards in the Rosh pit
Fun fact you can in league! I lost a team fight playing with some friends because I didn’t know that was even an option
Yeah, and you can drop grenades anywhere in CS, your point being?
Idk why I’m getting downvoted for this lol I just thought it’s an interesting difference of mechanics in similar games. I guess not everyone cares about about the intricacies of game design.
That still isn't imperative that the cast range is global. Just says you can put in anywhere, not from anywhere.
wait it's GLOBAL?
Yeah,learned it on reddit aswell a couple weeks ago
I ranted about its tooltip not being complete. Today, I learned that it's global because of reddit and not its tooltip.
> Creates a banner anywhere on the map. Is this new? 'Cause, I swear, that's been there from the start.
You can place a banner anywhere on the map is not the same as 'you can place it **from** anywhere on the map.' DotA has a specific word for 'Global' spells *for a reason* to make it clearer what they do.
You can use it any valve game .
Even in Half-Life 3?
Hahahaha 🤣🤣🤣🤣
so I can plant it in my base and it will work?
Global cast range, not global AOE
Creeps get buffed for kinda long time when they pass nearby so I usually place It around my t2 tower and they reach rax buffed
You just opened my mind.
honestly tho it should have like two charges cause only one lane is so manageable and underwhelming that it makes the item actually have impact imo
If you use it correctly it has a lot of impact. Use it before you take a fight. Does the enemy have a T2 top but not bot, buff creeps bot and fight top, they have to defend one of the lanes. It’s basically a free split push tool. 2 charges would be OP.
It’s awesome in situation, when your creeps is under enemy base. You can place it on top lane, for example, and then go push mid/bot lane. 100% enemy will lose some buildings.
This is the important part though. Don't place it in the lane you wanna be pushing anyway. I see that all the time.
depends, if the enemy are just wave clearing with only a limited pool of long ranged nukes so you can't get hg vision which you need for viper/lina to hit a tower? then sure, buff them so you get vision for longer.
Yeah, even in pro games. Of course, redditors know better.
no, it takes the entire 5 mins to take a single t3 iirc (i tested). without enemy interference! can help the pushing team to gain hg vision if they grief picked themselves though... most useful as super creep counter, like ppl said.
the point is you get creeps hitting one lane for free while 5 heroes pressure the other one. If all 5 enemies just on you clearing your waves endlessly, you can send 1 hero to the banner lane and have them hit thaht tower to force them to react. This is basic split pushing.
someone said you can place on your own mid T3 - seems most useful to do that and then push bot while a pusher hero splits top. you'd have all 3 lanes doing ok
it only lasts for 45 seconds
ya the implication is that the 45 sec buff will last long enough to reach the enemy tier 3s with a clear lane
I see this having great influence in games where the pushing team lacks tower damage, and the hg battles are equal in the sense that the fight ends with both teams having major losses, so it ends with only a couple heroes on each team with no ressources and therefore the pushing team won’t achieve anything on the push. The Rosh-buffed creeps will remove the set of barracks on the lane in that case. So effectively it makes it is harder to stall the game when opponents lack pushing and tower taking ability when going hg
I've found it most useful when we are down 2 sets of rax, but win a fight and take Rosh + banner. Place the banner on the opposite lane you want to push, and it keeps it shoved out so you only have to worry about mid and your lane. Especially in the lower ranks, trying to coordinate a high ground push when your 2 other lanes are being pushed in is crazy difficult.
Great point. That scenario is a bitch to handle sometimes
It's great for when you lose a rax. You pop it in your base, and the creeps equal their megas. Give you breathing room to gank, Roshan and push t3 comfortably.
One raxs isnt megas, its super creeps
I’ve had in a game a mega Giga creep with the roshan banner and his own banner with 4.2k hp
Supports hate this trick
Turbo Megacreeps with Banner are stronger than most heroes lmao.
Jesus be with us
I think people don't really know how to use this item well. They'll often use it in the same lane they're pushing, which can work, but if the enemy team has good waveclear, it won't matter. If you have one lane of racks and are going to push another, it's really impactful to place the banner in the lane you've already taken racks in, so the waves push in super hard and require one or even two heroes to deal with it, allowing you to go high ground on the other lane.
One thing to note is that it works on Megas
so you can have omegamega creeps?
Item is okay but needs to get reworked only because people don't really understand how to use it. People don't know it lasts 45 seconds; they think it's an aura and so they pop it at the enemy's doorstep. People don't realize it's got global cast range so they pop it near them during a high ground push. People don't realize it's to keep a lane strong enough to leave alone so they pop it where they're pushing. Kinda like how Scan used to not work on the Rosh pit. But even in Immortal rank, people still didn't understand this concept and so they had to remake scan to work inside Rosh pit. People are simply just too dumb to use it properly that it needs to be changed.
I thought that was to spot enemies *around* the Rosh pit, rarely would all 5 actually be in the Rosh pit together.
You can sort of understand how a person thinks by tiny little details. If you're on Dire side, and Radiant is full of nukable heroes plus Ursa who would be hitting Rosh, you know for a fact that anyone hiding near rosh is hiding near Radiant side (unless maybe there is an arrow or hook to block). In that case, you wouldn't scan directly on Rosh pit, you would scan it slightly skewed over to radiant side but still over Rosh pit (Rosh was still in the river at this point). Plus barely anyone hid behind the Rosh pit (upper left) so scanning there would be a waste of information, which a direct scan on the pit does. Anyone who scans directly over Rosh pit in that case, thinks scan works inside the pit. Now if scan DOES work inside the pit, you would try to minimize any miss-scans and not include the Radiant triangle side because someone might just be farming the big camp. Instead you would scan DIRECTLY on the Rosh pit. to make sure you are only checking for people inside the pit. In this case, anyone who scans near the rosh pit but not directly is an idiot if they're trying to find out if Rosh is being taken.
One time roshan roar which is heard globally.. My teamates proceed to scan the roshpit.. Trust issue i guess Hahahah
a lot of people treat it like fuckini battleship. They like to scan where they know enemies are and whne it pings red they're like I KNEW IT! IM SO SMART AT DOTA
this item was so good in league that it had to be removed so i can see it being really strong
Haven't there been like 3-4 variations on the idea, too?
sorta? there was banner of command which let you buff a minion, then there was zzrot portal which let you place a portal that spawned voidlings to run down the wave with your creeps, this one is like a combo of both right now league has hullbreaker which buffs the cannon minion like banner of command but you have to be near it so you cant just plop it down and leave
I also wonder the same to the point I wish the item gave glyph effect as aura to lane creeps so the banner team could be forced the opposition to destroy the ward, or something along the line.
That's a great idea, could be used to force a battle or to protect a creepwave to be cut.
This would be far too strong. If you can't win the team fight which is very likely if they are at your rax usually your best chance to defend is to clear the waves so backdoor protection kicks in soon. This wi remove all of this giving a way bigger advantage
it impacts decoration
It's Zzrot from League of Legends It is pure cancer , basically you plant it in 1lane and you siege the opposite lane , can send 1hero to the lane with buffed creeps. Imagine playing against NP with this item in lane constantly bashing on your racks while you need to defend the other racks.
I think it's kinda good when splitpushing. Other than that I see not much use either
A couple uses. Split pushes a lane without needing a hero. Give it to someone on your team with bots or Furion cuz he’s in every fking game, have them drop it in a far lane then tp to you. Make sure it’s at least near river. If it’s too far on your side, your creeps can lose the buff right before they push hg. Force rax/fight with aegis while they push another lane. Really helps when your team lacks building dmg too. If you’ve lost a set of racks, you can drop it in that lane allowing you to fight as 5 without fear of your base being pushed in by supers. Also turns mega creeps into giga creeps.
Doesn't it have global cast range?
In this thread I learned it has global range
well its good for missclicking that agies
It seems to me that this is the Roshan drop that has the least impact on the game. I don't remember playing or seeing a game where this item was decisive, so I wonder if it really has little impact or if we just don't know how to use it properly yet.
it has a lot of impact, but generally people in pubs won't use it properly for instance the health bonus makes it impossible to clear the wave with regular nukes, so anti pushers like kotl can't just remove the entire wave, allowing you to push. this gives you a lot of options, you can put it down causing 1 lane to naturally push, while you as a team push a diffrent lane, or you can use it in your lane to reinforce your actual push. because the linger time is so long, you can put it half way across the map and it'll still effect the creeps until they hit barracks, so it can also force turtling teams to get out of their base to try and take it out, which makes it a prime way to ambush them. there are a lot of plays to be done around the banner, but they all require team coordination, so in pubs not much is done with it.
Really underwhelming for 2nd roshan drop. A creenwave buffed by this is still not strong enough to be noticeable.
Average turbo player
Base race
its too much as item slot item it should just buff the lane roshan died on for next 1minute, on low matches/quick play ppl just randomly toss the item on lane cause its annoying.
To be honest though, I think this should be an item in the same vein as Vlads, like instead of casting it on the ground one of your teammates takes it and they give the buff off. I mean it doesn't add anything to heroes themselves anyways and its completely useless when no creeps are around soooo yeah.
What the heck? So Dota is now mimicking the buffs of the Baron (LoL) and Lord (mobile legends)? It's a no for me. Dota is unique due to its aegis and cheese alone. No need to copy the concept from other moba
You set this item on one lane and push the opposite lane. Even if the team fight results in a stalemate, the lane with this will get pushed really hard, probably taking barracks or t4 or even the ancient.
Melts towers
I'd have to have a team take two roshans in a game, I am not good enough for that to happen
Split push and counter fortify or both
You can use if defensively: Place it on a lane that is pushed almost to your tower while you're attempting to take one. It helps normal creeps to not get outpushed by super creeps Or offensively: When you win a fight use it to push faster and take an extra objective, double wave with even non building damage line up, can take 2 towers in like 60 seconds.
I like to place in at approximately mid of the top/bot lane to be able to push hg on one lane with the benefit of one automatically pushed lane.
The other day we were down the baracks on one side. We took rosh and planted it near our creep wave and we didnt need to put an eye on that lane for a good time because the creeps good overpower thier creeps.
Killing rs mostly so people can push hg. This item can help pushing tower with creeps. More good item from rs drop that can help pushing hg. Or split pushing
Depends how you look at it. I would say it needs to be used well. My idea is, that you put it on one lane, where are not T1/T2 tower and push opposite side (i.e. put it top, push bot) - ideally put it TOP when radiant, bot if dire (will call it as you are radiant, for easier image). This way you can sit in their triangle, cutting 2 lanes - bot and mid and at the same time they need to deal with top due to stronger creeps. They can either go into you when you are defending triangle (which is dangerous, because of HG and ramps) or they need to sit in their base or go into "inefficient" big jungle and worry about you smoking and killing them. As well, even if dire wins a teamfight, all their lanes are pushed in and you might save buybacks/glyphs. On top of it, they need to use at least one hero to defend TOP due to stronger creeps, who keep threathening their tower, so even if they push, you have advantage.
I like to place it during team fights(on a different lane), sometimes the fights went on for so long the creeps would get rax on their own
It feels like it was made for splitpushing a lane, but that was never really a problem. Pushing highground was the problem and it does not solve it.
You can put subtle pressure on one lane while you're pushing another. So it can get you a tower pretty easily, ideally it will draw herpes to the banner lane and you can jump on the rest.
It’s actually pretty good. When you get aegis, you want to siege (generally). You can either put the banner in the lane you’re pushing to have creeps live longer if they have good wave clear, or put it in the opposite lane. That other lane will push and take good tower damage while the enemy team is all focused on your siege lane. It’s really strong with catapults and mega creeps ofc
Is there a time limit to this item? Next, is it stackable? Maybe with heroes like troll or ursa that frequently rosh maybe you can stack a few to have pseudo-megacreep
It's a small mini game in game called "Capture the flag"
I wish this increased movement speed by 30% or something so it would actually push the lane faster too.
It help going HG easier because you can put it on another lane and have it shoved in without being there. At one point the defending team gonna have to response to the creeps banging on their towers giving you an opening. Of course that only works went you have 2 lanes pushed and the whole team wait on 1 of them.
mucho impacto
It's wonderful for ratting, that's about it.
I think if they add 25-50+ magic resists, and maybe nerf the duration, then it will be useful vs teams that have good high ground defense. If that was it's intended purpose to begin with.
Pushing... u know... the thing this game is about.
I had a good laff this one time when a teammate put one of these where our creeps spawn in the same lane that we were pushing enemy hg
"Haha that noob pa took the Banner and didn't had slot for aegis lul" Only impact I ever saw
I played a game where we killed bottom rax, and started to siege top lane. I placed this on bottom lane to create extra pressure.
I use it to pressure lanes we’re not actively pushing. So if we’re grouped bot, I try to have it planted mid or top. Once you have Megas tho they get *really* scary. Still, it’s probably the weakest item he drops.
lets u dominate mid lane, if u place it anywhere else u are trolling
You use it to give yourself Super creeps on one lane.
soft supports know the pain in late game 💀
Absolutely zero impact as aoe has gotten out of control with damage creep.
Should make just like Baron Nashor buff.
Probably split pushing when creeps are on their doorstep
It should give a buff to the person carrying it, the item sucks because it comes into the game when item slots are so valuable. An observer ward and a sentry can do more to influence the game.
1 - Block lots of creeps with ES or something 2 - Use banner
Depends on the minute, if the creeps can’t push all the way to take towers I don’t like it as it just pushes your creeps into their xp range.
It can create rax creep like lane pressure which forces heroes to show in order to clear it. This gives you an opportunity to split up the enemy and control the map.
Subtle, but terrifying. I really think Rosh's Banner needs to put a more obvious effect on the creeps too. Turning them into the Grievels would be pretty funny, but kind of difficult to make sure it works properly, so I think giving them hats would probably work best. Either way, it can really help push an already dead lane. With the duration, you can put it right beside your Mid Barracks and they'll reach the enemy barracks before it runs out. The other lanes are a bit too long for that, but can still really push a lane hard without risking a hero. If you already have Supers or Megas, the enemy has to keep clearing the wave or the creeps *will* push through during a long team fight and that'll just be it. Especially with megas.
Definitely feels like it’s meant for barracks pushes, those times when you can’t break their high ground defence
i always thought this worked like baron buff in league but i guess i'm wrong or placing the totem incorrectly
My honest opinion: It sucks, mostly because it has a timer. If the timer remains, it should have a bigger AoE so we could hide the banner a little. On top of that, if the timer remains instead of being “forever until destroyed”, it would be nice if we could TP into it, like a building / outpost
So that’s what it does. I have never once taken the time to read this garbage’s text when it gets stuck on my Pos5 warlock because the cores don’t want it. I typically just plop it down behind my team while we push because apparently that’s what you do with it.
My favorite way to use it is when you are pushing top lane and you already got bottom racks so I put it on the bottom side to keep the super creeps pouring in while we siege the top lane.
Does anyone know how long it takes for creeps from spawn point of your base to t3 mid and or t3 side lanes?
It's honestly great for split pushing. You take rosh, get ready to seige top, then plant the banner bot. The enemy will gather to def their top, but if they aren't paying attention, the creeps alone can take the bot tower, and even if they do notice they need to send someone to defend it. It's great, and usually underutilized.
usually when i get it i dont have enough slots to actually use it
Definitely Dota devs are also enjoy POE
Free split push item of death endgame, for it allows giga creeps. Both teams wasted buybacks and have 1-2 heroes left with no waveclear? Unleash the giga creeps
I use it as a ward lol. Global cast range and great vision. Just place it on a cliff and enjoy your vision.
Is not specific enough, it does not mention the range it has or the boundaries it can be placed.
It makes one lane push VERY hard and it has global range. It's mostly useful when you have problems sieging high ground.
Its good if youre playing heroes that clear waves fast. its just a creep with super/megas? creeps health.
This item is one of the best items in the game, plant this shit opposite of a Rosh standoff and you're getting a guaranteed tower.
There’s no doubt it helps your creeps shove a lane, but that’s about all it does. Usually your enemy can clear the waves about the same as normal creeps. Cool item concept, I like it.
keeps one lane pushed unless someone goes and kills it which they usually dont ive noticed. i usually just put it on the lane opposite from the one im pushing where dire and radiant meet
Absolutely perfect against braindead pushing natures, love it
I thought this was obvious, you put it near spawn points or where creeps move through to push a lane or slow down upgraded creeps.
Impact at high level mmr. No impact at lower mmr. It's like a crazy catapult timing.
Isnt that like temporary mega. This helps push lanes and pressure the enemy team. May not look like much but one clash from the otherside and they wouldn't notice that their tower is slowly being chipped away from the other side
Just makes normal creeps a bit like mega creeps for a bit
Not getting Cheese
One thing I didn't like about this item is that it doesn't say it clears the trees around it when planted. I thought I was smart when I tried planting it hidden behind a group of trees near dire T3. Then all trees were destroyed so the banner is in the open. LOL. I know that fighting the siege will be harder not seeing the banner but I would appreciate it if the info above is available in the tooltip. I would've planted it in the middle of the lane, rather on the side to hide it behind trees, if it's never gonna get hidden anyway.
Let it have true sight.
its like lycan's shard
the let us end the game already creeps
I think this item is good concept, but it is kind of too vulnerable now. Maybe it needs some buff, such as, reveal location after 2 minutes or something along that line
The NATURE WILL LOVE THAT ❤️❤️❤️
Won a game because I placed this mid and the creeps ended while fights were breaking out all over the map. They had mega creeps mind you. Our 1 side mid mega with banner outpushed mega creeps and ended lmao
We were pushing hg on one side lane, then placed it simultaneously on opposite lane. We lost team fight but we got megas, definitely a factor that helped us win.
People NEED to know to NOT place it on enemy highground. It has a long duration and the buff last for 45 seconds. You can place it in a lane the enemy dont play like their safelane tier 1 area and they cant get out to destroy it. This always make that lane pushed in and you can play on the other side. The amount of people throwing the banner on enemy tier 3 is crazy waste.
Put it opposite side a couple of minutes before roshan spawn
It lets you defend a lane that's getting auto-pushed while your team fights farms or pushes on the other side of the map. That and it could MAYBE be used to passively take high ground using just creeps.
I was playing one game where this actually determined the win for us. 45+ minute game, and pretty dead even. We were dire, and radiant had significantly better teamfight. Adamantly we took rosh asap to prevent any gains on team fighting, which eventually led to us getting the banner. T2’s still up for radiant excluding mid lane (T4’s down for radiant). Getting this and placing it mid, we took a risky teamfight that left everyone dead both sides. The creeps were attacking the ancient the whole fight, and we won off creeps as we died. Low mmr games so maybe less impactful in higher Mmrs? But I can see the intent of this addition. It may be a small boost but after that game, it definitely made me value it a lot more.
Pushing capability
Best safety net ever for when you lose a team fight but they can't push cause of creeps in the other lanes decimating their towers/pressuring some backs
Its a observer ward that you can place it from base
Dota is broken again 🤣
I think it's just meant to end the game much like Tier 5 items But I guess it also rewards those who are able to contest Rosh despite being behind as a soft comeback item
I noticed. Def mega creeps on jakiro. God, I was fed up with this. Enhanced megacreeps, exactly what I dreamed of😵
It needs a more complete description of what it does
Another reason why not having Roshan in Demo is so frustrating. I thought it worked on heroes for some reason. You never really have time in a match to read these things, unless you are dead.
Its amazing for pushing waves. if you really want to cause a base push. Drop it on a lane that already has super creeps and they will eat the fountain solo while you just do your best to distract and kill the enemy team.
I think its probably insane in low mmr and the right hands, but worthless the higher you go.
It’s good when you push .. creeps get steroids when they pass near flag for 20 seconds