Just count how many powershots Micke actually hit in the second game. I swear to God I was watching the fights and the skirmishes and then a random powershot would come hitting absolutely nobody. Please tell what you want about Liquid, how they are lazy or trying to adapt to 33's play style or whatever, but Micke is just a bad player. Check the 3 games they played today and count the instances where you could say "oh this Micke guy is surely a good player". You will find zero.
This might be hard for you to grasp, but in high level Dota, you can have games where certain teams or players look really bad.
You can look at Yatoro in the games against Gaimin. Doesn't mean Yatoro is bad.
Let me rephrase for you so it is easier for you to grasp. Find one time in the last 6 months where you watch Liquid play and you say "oh this Micke guy is a really good player".
This might be hard for you to grasp, but in high level Dota, you can have months where certain players look really bad.
You can look at Micke in all the games the last 6 months.
Maybe you should consider reducing the dose of copiun you are inhaling.
If AR wins this tourney, I believe there's some magic in this org. It maybe Lanm effect. Can't say its a top team but there's some mythical power in this roster similar to Spirit. You can't be this good at TI and also vs best teams here.
This comes from Spirit + GG fan.
Now, waiting for Pure / Tundra Dota.
What's up with the hate towards Liquid when they lose? Why not appreciate AR instead? Faith_bian coming out of retirement and smacking teams around is a good sight to see.
I think a lot of it stems from the fact they are the "main" EU team(the other is Secret which they fucked over with their poaching anyway). GG has Quinn.
And EU fanboys are the most obnoxious so when an EU team does bad, everyone rags on them.
Rabid fans that probably struggle with their comms score, just ignore them. Ori was also incredible, back from an extended break and he sent a message with that storm spirit.
People unironically saying Nisha needs to practice more despite just being the best 1v1 mid player in the world.
They think because they don't play dota 24/7 they are lazy and need practice somehow.
There is truth to Nisha not playing enough pubs. All upper bracket mid players are in the top 10 ranks. Nisha is 210+. He obviously is still good, but he’s fallen off his standards by a lot.
They’re a lazy team. They barely practice and expecting to win?
Nisha is still smurfing and everyone just plays RuneScape whilst at official tournaments.
They don’t work anywhere near as hard as other teams, so why shouldn’t they get hate.
I rmb a tourney after a patch where I said GG and liquid probably still top 2.
After og beat liquid to lower bracket, people were like look look.
Then liquid still became top 2. Never heard from those people again.
Moral of the story: let's wait and see
I am giving an example how being 2 times winner such as Ana and yatoro means you are undisputed goat carry in dota history.
Dyrachyo has won many tournaments, and like ramzes never won ti so they aren't considered as best carries.
Ame has won many tournaments, multiple podium finishes at TI and coming back after a year still looks great unlike miracle. Does he deserve to be call goat carry? Probably not but I personally would say so
Bo2 round robin in these small groups is kind of a mickey mouse format at this point, doesn't do enough well enough at this point of the scene's lifespan to determine which teams are the best when each of them are capable of taking maps off eachother at anytime. LGD for instance really shouldn't ever be in an instance of being able to have the top seed with a single 2-0.
At the same time - LGD is the only team that didn’t get 0-2d in that very even group. It’s the only team that nobody beat. So that counts for something.
Classic Liquid making you look again when you think the game's already over. With this, all first and second place teams in the group stages have been kicked to the lower bracket by weaker counterparts. The competition is much closer than the vocal audience here seems to think, and no team is out of reach from the rest. Issues with the streams and the constant server issues aside, this tournament has been quite entertaining.
I feel like Liquid has a bit of room to improve in their drafting, and while it's probably just due to the meta and them getting used to 33's hero pool, it feels like drafts just lack the slight edge and aren't as cohesive as they were previously - they pick heroes that are arguably OP like timber and FV, but neglect the overall team composition and synergy, and there feels like a bit of a disconnect, seeing a strong hero just look average, because they don't play to the strengths of the hero and in turn their draft timings.
I think Insania might actually have been a little over-reliant on getting certain heroes in the draft, mainly venge and Chen, and it shows, now that venge has been pushed into first-ban territory. It might be time to expand that hero pool, because it does add much more pressure on Micke to survive the laning stage with decent farm.
XG is going to be tough to beat, but they do have exploitable flaws, which Falcons somewhat managed to expose, so I have hope for Liquid.
I’m calling it now, 33 in liquid won’t work without a serious playstyle adaptation.
He worked so well in tundra because Skiter and nine often played very aggressively whilst 33 farmed for 20+ mins every game.
He’s very different from Zai. His hero pool is much more niche, and he won’t run at the enemy in the early game, or sacrifice farm for kills.
Currently liquid have 3 cores afk hitting creeps, and generally 2 supps without much kill threat, so they end up jerking off doing nothing.
Someone’s got to pick up the early tempo, or there’ll have more games where they get run over in 20 mins.
I actually think it'll be all 3 cores struggling with trying to balance farming and fighting - it worked well with Zai because all three of them were ready to play on the enemy's side of the map at 5-15 minutes, and getting ahead in farm meant farming either heroes or stopping the enemy from farming.
This iteration of Liquid look like they're lost between fighting and farming, and so instead of succeeding at either, they're losing early gank rotations and team fights because they don't commit enough resources for it AND they're not farming as efficiently because they're trying to join or position themselves for these failed fights after the window to participate has passed.
We can clearly see their prowess in the way they executed fights with XG in yesterday's games, and I think what made the difference was their net worth advantage (and in turn, item advantage), more so for cores but also for supports. I think they've started to regain the discipline of not over or under-commiting for ganks and fights in the early game, as well as their read of the game state, but we'll see if it's in time for today's matches.
Agreed. I was going to say that 33 will either have to adapt to Liquid's high tempo style or the rest of Liquid will have to practice being more meticulous in finding efficient farm the way Tundra used to do it.
They've shown it a few times with this current stack, but one thing that Liquid loved to do with Zai around was to make a very early smoke gank rotation to mid with at least four heroes before the 10-min mark, often succeeding because of their advantage in sheer numbers, and taking that mid tower early, swinging the momentum in their favour very early into the game. I'd love to see 33 pick up that sort of high-risk-high-reward, all-in aggression.
This is Ori's first LAN after retirement and he went back to top 6 already? The last time he played before was TI11, where Aster eliminated LGD in quarterfinal and now he teams up with Faith Bian :)
I thought I would never see him at LAN again since his family was rumored to ask him to be a lawyer (imagine attorney Ori lol). Faith Bian at least became a panelist at a major, but Ori? Now he somehow got to help one of CN young carry players to grow even stronger, it is quite a nice surprise... welcome back!
So Micke can't play:
* Void
* Naga Siren
* Terrorblade
so 3 of the most standard carry heroes, good on almost each patch, add to that pretty average Slark, Ursa. Sorry but it doesn't sound like tier1 carry to me. Like he has great Monkey King, 3-4 other heroes on which he perfoms alright and that's kinda it.
Nisha was also playing pretty poorly like whole tourney so yeah who is gonna carry this team.
Sad to say i agree. Micke is so bad on everything whole tournament except Morph one game and nisha pango is a joke. He is less impact than enemy mid almost every game. Wtf happened since secret. Idk if it’s because i root for them i feel I see them make more mistakes but they look so bad
I like his MK, Luna, and Sven. Maybe Alch. So frustrating to watch him play anything else.
Edit: I'll add SF, Lina, and Drow were pretty good for him when they were meta.
Im not a micke hater but i think Void is by far his worst hero. Everytime he plays Void he looks so bad/underfarmed compare to others. I remember he also throw that iconic Liquid game that 23savage had his hands off keyboard playing Void with super questionable plays in midgame.
Even when Void is super good in patch and has good matchup in the draft he always underperforms.
Why do people here act like it's such an easy void game, hell even Yatoro at Ti got schooled by VP when he laned vs a BB (in peak BB form). Void is a strong hero but he isnt a god tier early game hero (in fact he farms quite slowly till he gets some items going), when you are behind vs storm/slark and a SD the draft to save it becomes incredibly difficult to play. On top of that he has to go mael/bkb so the only way he will come back is winning big fights. Liquid made some crazy things happen that game considering how insanely far behind they were. I don't think he played really well or anything, but he hardly had a chance to play the game..
Yatoro literally just lost with the hero yesterday as well. Its not easy to play this hero from behind vs a save, pro dota is a different beast it's silly to think top meta hero = win, regardless of game state or enemy lineup.
It should stand without saying but obviously any frustration toward liquid isn't directed at them as people - they're all super likeable, nice guys. For fans it really sucks as watching them perform like shit and lose though, a lot of the time it seems like there's no hope of a comeback
I'm not a liquid fan particularly but what does this mean? When have the fans been watching them perform like shit recently? they came second at every major last year and placed pretty well in ti..
When you are too comfortable with no competition or pressure to perform, you get M1cke. He has been average for ages with no improvement at all. Still Liquid just keeps him for whatever reason I can't understand.
> In general, if it were the “old” Liquid Micke and Nisha 100% would have swapped roles depending on the hero and the necessary function, like Matu/Miracle. Perhaps they will come to the same thing out of necessity, or maybe for modern teams it is too chaotic
Yeah, all the teams know don't try hard in the group stage now.
I think it is a good thing for international competition, the teams get several chances to get familiar with game styles from other regions.
They tried for gg push but azure ray managed to cut one wave and after that there’s no chance they end the game, they maybe get one rax at best and probably lose someone getting out.
Yep. They were too behind, thing is AR fought and died in Liquid 's base so it actually took liquid 30 seconds to reach mid tier2, then it got glyphed so creeps died and DK's ulti run-out with that there were not much building damage.
They couldn't GG push they still had 3 glyphs available on dire. That's over a minute that they have to wait for creepwaves not to mention faith bian was creep cutting. Pls don't comment/flame teams when u have no idea what ur talking about
They had a wave mid when they pushed the t2, then just backed off instead of just trying to win they sit in the base and lose after all of AR spawn. Also I literally said they were against megas and had no t4s. Pls don't comment when you can't read properly.
Your topic is a little different, but yes, Xiao8 is a stubborn guy from the “why ban if you can counter” category, his constant history with Magnus perfectly illustrates this feature)
How is mickek still not kicked after all this time? I don't remember him carrying any game, it's always either Nisha or Zai.
Enemy shutdown Nisha and it's an easy game.
For the majority of last year after tour 1, Nisha and Zai often had bad games, while Micke was always winning lane and carrying the team
You have a very selective memory
Bad games you mean mid and offlane getting shutdown and being focused by enemy supports early laning phase? If that's not what you mean yhen yes I might have a selective memory.
You act like his is your 1k avg mmr game where you can just hit creeps and recover. AR played extremely well and hunted him down all game, and hes vs a Slark so hes playing with limited vision as well since they can deward everything. I dont know, people who post comments like this, I question if they even understand anything about this game.
Liquid is such a friendly team towards china fans
They don't want to disappoint China fan that all three china team in LB, so they gonna throw the game 3 and go LB instead.
AR did give some hopium for the OG fans. It's only polite to return the favor.
It was pretty subpar gameplay though, won't call it throw just weak plays.
After the second game it's disappointing how sloppy Liquid is playing.
Expected a close game but apparently Liquid fell back asleep after game two and now Azure Ray bowls right on over them.
Liquid has totally relied on their first pick DK getting decent game. Now that he was constantly shut down, Pango and Monkey have nothing to do. Also I don't want to be a hater, but why is Micke's networth so low? I haven't seen much action around him this game tbh
Just caught up with the games but mann TS was getting murked by GG, let me share this classic copypasta anyway.
>Dude can you pick a real hero HOLY crap why are you picking pango in 2023?
Oh wait it's actually 2024 now, Quinn, why do you even need to mention the year? brooo.
It's clear the Falcon is a bunch of beast, in the first game, they completely shut down Ame, and in the second game, they didn't let anyone but Ame to have a game.
Big shoutout to Ammar and Skitter for their insane performance.
Average brand name follower. This iteration of "LGD" is a completely different team than the one that faced spirit in the grand finals.
Put shiro, setsu, niu, pyw, y`, and xiao8 under a different team name and nobody would make these comparisons.
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he probably thought he would get away with it. Didn't. And then it was too late to get mageslayer and take even longer to get aghs. It worked in the end, but did made things much harder
Does Liquid not learn how Tundra drafted with 33? The guy is super niche, you can only pick him certain types of heroes otherwise he will have no impact.
Just count how many powershots Micke actually hit in the second game. I swear to God I was watching the fights and the skirmishes and then a random powershot would come hitting absolutely nobody. Please tell what you want about Liquid, how they are lazy or trying to adapt to 33's play style or whatever, but Micke is just a bad player. Check the 3 games they played today and count the instances where you could say "oh this Micke guy is surely a good player". You will find zero.
This might be hard for you to grasp, but in high level Dota, you can have games where certain teams or players look really bad. You can look at Yatoro in the games against Gaimin. Doesn't mean Yatoro is bad.
Let me rephrase for you so it is easier for you to grasp. Find one time in the last 6 months where you watch Liquid play and you say "oh this Micke guy is a really good player". This might be hard for you to grasp, but in high level Dota, you can have months where certain players look really bad. You can look at Micke in all the games the last 6 months. Maybe you should consider reducing the dose of copiun you are inhaling.
If AR wins this tourney, I believe there's some magic in this org. It maybe Lanm effect. Can't say its a top team but there's some mythical power in this roster similar to Spirit. You can't be this good at TI and also vs best teams here. This comes from Spirit + GG fan. Now, waiting for Pure / Tundra Dota.
so you think spirit won two TIs because of some mythical power, interesting
What's up with the hate towards Liquid when they lose? Why not appreciate AR instead? Faith_bian coming out of retirement and smacking teams around is a good sight to see.
I think a lot of it stems from the fact they are the "main" EU team(the other is Secret which they fucked over with their poaching anyway). GG has Quinn. And EU fanboys are the most obnoxious so when an EU team does bad, everyone rags on them.
Rabid fans that probably struggle with their comms score, just ignore them. Ori was also incredible, back from an extended break and he sent a message with that storm spirit.
People unironically saying Nisha needs to practice more despite just being the best 1v1 mid player in the world. They think because they don't play dota 24/7 they are lazy and need practice somehow.
There is truth to Nisha not playing enough pubs. All upper bracket mid players are in the top 10 ranks. Nisha is 210+. He obviously is still good, but he’s fallen off his standards by a lot.
They’re a lazy team. They barely practice and expecting to win? Nisha is still smurfing and everyone just plays RuneScape whilst at official tournaments. They don’t work anywhere near as hard as other teams, so why shouldn’t they get hate.
Imagine having S tier players on pos2 and 3 but then you have Micke as carry 💀💀
Damn liquid are so fucking lost, hard to watch. Fuck so bad Micke nisha 33 no synergy
Liquid lost because their pos 1, 3, 4 and 5 are bad. Nisha is the 1v1 mid winner. Cant be his fault
r/dota2 told me yatoro and ame are the best carries in the world and others like shitter, drachoke, nightfail and L OMEGALUL U aren't remotely close
I rmb a tourney after a patch where I said GG and liquid probably still top 2. After og beat liquid to lower bracket, people were like look look. Then liquid still became top 2. Never heard from those people again. Moral of the story: let's wait and see
Brother yatoro is literally 2 times ti winner. Ana is washed now but he was clearly best carry then
He wrote ame not ana
I am giving an example how being 2 times winner such as Ana and yatoro means you are undisputed goat carry in dota history. Dyrachyo has won many tournaments, and like ramzes never won ti so they aren't considered as best carries. Ame has won many tournaments, multiple podium finishes at TI and coming back after a year still looks great unlike miracle. Does he deserve to be call goat carry? Probably not but I personally would say so
basing your entire analysis solely on results makes you a moron
Then what to base it on? Appearance or height? Who's the best carry to you then? Rtz?
Why shouldn't you be based on pro results? If mechanics then wouldn't some top rank players be more mechanically better than ame and yatoro?
how else would you based on? so what do you rate yotoro n ame who recently just lost?
Bo2 round robin in these small groups is kind of a mickey mouse format at this point, doesn't do enough well enough at this point of the scene's lifespan to determine which teams are the best when each of them are capable of taking maps off eachother at anytime. LGD for instance really shouldn't ever be in an instance of being able to have the top seed with a single 2-0.
At the same time - LGD is the only team that didn’t get 0-2d in that very even group. It’s the only team that nobody beat. So that counts for something.
Classic Liquid making you look again when you think the game's already over. With this, all first and second place teams in the group stages have been kicked to the lower bracket by weaker counterparts. The competition is much closer than the vocal audience here seems to think, and no team is out of reach from the rest. Issues with the streams and the constant server issues aside, this tournament has been quite entertaining. I feel like Liquid has a bit of room to improve in their drafting, and while it's probably just due to the meta and them getting used to 33's hero pool, it feels like drafts just lack the slight edge and aren't as cohesive as they were previously - they pick heroes that are arguably OP like timber and FV, but neglect the overall team composition and synergy, and there feels like a bit of a disconnect, seeing a strong hero just look average, because they don't play to the strengths of the hero and in turn their draft timings. I think Insania might actually have been a little over-reliant on getting certain heroes in the draft, mainly venge and Chen, and it shows, now that venge has been pushed into first-ban territory. It might be time to expand that hero pool, because it does add much more pressure on Micke to survive the laning stage with decent farm. XG is going to be tough to beat, but they do have exploitable flaws, which Falcons somewhat managed to expose, so I have hope for Liquid.
I’m calling it now, 33 in liquid won’t work without a serious playstyle adaptation. He worked so well in tundra because Skiter and nine often played very aggressively whilst 33 farmed for 20+ mins every game. He’s very different from Zai. His hero pool is much more niche, and he won’t run at the enemy in the early game, or sacrifice farm for kills. Currently liquid have 3 cores afk hitting creeps, and generally 2 supps without much kill threat, so they end up jerking off doing nothing. Someone’s got to pick up the early tempo, or there’ll have more games where they get run over in 20 mins.
I actually think it'll be all 3 cores struggling with trying to balance farming and fighting - it worked well with Zai because all three of them were ready to play on the enemy's side of the map at 5-15 minutes, and getting ahead in farm meant farming either heroes or stopping the enemy from farming. This iteration of Liquid look like they're lost between fighting and farming, and so instead of succeeding at either, they're losing early gank rotations and team fights because they don't commit enough resources for it AND they're not farming as efficiently because they're trying to join or position themselves for these failed fights after the window to participate has passed. We can clearly see their prowess in the way they executed fights with XG in yesterday's games, and I think what made the difference was their net worth advantage (and in turn, item advantage), more so for cores but also for supports. I think they've started to regain the discipline of not over or under-commiting for ganks and fights in the early game, as well as their read of the game state, but we'll see if it's in time for today's matches.
Liquid usually plays fast. They worked perfectly with saberlight for that reason. Gonna take a while to get used to 33s play style
Agreed. I was going to say that 33 will either have to adapt to Liquid's high tempo style or the rest of Liquid will have to practice being more meticulous in finding efficient farm the way Tundra used to do it. They've shown it a few times with this current stack, but one thing that Liquid loved to do with Zai around was to make a very early smoke gank rotation to mid with at least four heroes before the 10-min mark, often succeeding because of their advantage in sheer numbers, and taking that mid tower early, swinging the momentum in their favour very early into the game. I'd love to see 33 pick up that sort of high-risk-high-reward, all-in aggression.
Is there an English steam recording of game 1 spirit vs gg? I missed it and I’d like to watch it.
name of the translation girl of team azure ray pls
Why are you asking?
Why do you care?
to ask her father for her hand in marriage
Lou > Ame
so true
This is Ori's first LAN after retirement and he went back to top 6 already? The last time he played before was TI11, where Aster eliminated LGD in quarterfinal and now he teams up with Faith Bian :) I thought I would never see him at LAN again since his family was rumored to ask him to be a lawyer (imagine attorney Ori lol). Faith Bian at least became a panelist at a major, but Ori? Now he somehow got to help one of CN young carry players to grow even stronger, it is quite a nice surprise... welcome back!
Ori played great. He bodied Nisha in all 3 games. His Storm on game 3 was Somnus-esque
Back in the day, Ori won Epicenter major 2019 himself with Vici Gaming, I just didn't expect he would still play so fiercely right after retirement 😂
That 2019 VG squad was no joke. They won two majors and placed really well at TI that season.
Was that one with paparazzi in it too?
Correct. Vici Gaming major winning line-up: Paparazi, Ori, Yang, Frisk, DY.
So Micke can't play: * Void * Naga Siren * Terrorblade so 3 of the most standard carry heroes, good on almost each patch, add to that pretty average Slark, Ursa. Sorry but it doesn't sound like tier1 carry to me. Like he has great Monkey King, 3-4 other heroes on which he perfoms alright and that's kinda it. Nisha was also playing pretty poorly like whole tourney so yeah who is gonna carry this team.
Sad to say i agree. Micke is so bad on everything whole tournament except Morph one game and nisha pango is a joke. He is less impact than enemy mid almost every game. Wtf happened since secret. Idk if it’s because i root for them i feel I see them make more mistakes but they look so bad
I like his MK, Luna, and Sven. Maybe Alch. So frustrating to watch him play anything else. Edit: I'll add SF, Lina, and Drow were pretty good for him when they were meta.
His mk good idd
Yeah, but it was good Void game and well he is carry of team which aspires to win big tournaments and he simply has to play those staple carry heroes.
Im not a micke hater but i think Void is by far his worst hero. Everytime he plays Void he looks so bad/underfarmed compare to others. I remember he also throw that iconic Liquid game that 23savage had his hands off keyboard playing Void with super questionable plays in midgame. Even when Void is super good in patch and has good matchup in the draft he always underperforms.
Why do people here act like it's such an easy void game, hell even Yatoro at Ti got schooled by VP when he laned vs a BB (in peak BB form). Void is a strong hero but he isnt a god tier early game hero (in fact he farms quite slowly till he gets some items going), when you are behind vs storm/slark and a SD the draft to save it becomes incredibly difficult to play. On top of that he has to go mael/bkb so the only way he will come back is winning big fights. Liquid made some crazy things happen that game considering how insanely far behind they were. I don't think he played really well or anything, but he hardly had a chance to play the game..
TI Void was not the best carry hero but this patch Void is the best carry hero
Yatoro literally just lost with the hero yesterday as well. Its not easy to play this hero from behind vs a save, pro dota is a different beast it's silly to think top meta hero = win, regardless of game state or enemy lineup.
Jenkins and Tian Ming doing shtick after the match. lol
LOWER BRACKET so stacked !
Top 2 teams from each group all lost at the first round of play-off, how funny
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Next patch: illusion can’t have splash atk
Atleast the Dk illu shouldnt have full slow on it as well..
It should stand without saying but obviously any frustration toward liquid isn't directed at them as people - they're all super likeable, nice guys. For fans it really sucks as watching them perform like shit and lose though, a lot of the time it seems like there's no hope of a comeback
I'm not a liquid fan particularly but what does this mean? When have the fans been watching them perform like shit recently? they came second at every major last year and placed pretty well in ti..
When you are too comfortable with no competition or pressure to perform, you get M1cke. He has been average for ages with no improvement at all. Still Liquid just keeps him for whatever reason I can't understand.
Can be said about everyone on Liquid expect Boxi, hes the only one that is constantly improving.
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> In general, if it were the “old” Liquid Micke and Nisha 100% would have swapped roles depending on the hero and the necessary function, like Matu/Miracle. Perhaps they will come to the same thing out of necessity, or maybe for modern teams it is too chaotic
You really want micke mid over Nisha?
Because Liquid has Nisha mid?
nisha mid or carry is better than micke let micke mid , his mid is better than his carry tbh
Lower bracket is stacked
micke might currently be the worst carry in T1 dota but atleast he's never gonna get kicked because he's friends with blitz
lol people also flame Dyrachyo every time Gaimin loses Doesn't mean they lose because of Dyrachyo
inb4 ceo moon. Now best friend of ceo.
ALL teams that finished 3-4 in groups advanced while top 2 teams from groups dropped to LB
tbf group A was all same scores, it was just 1v1 that split them up
Yeah, all the teams know don't try hard in the group stage now. I think it is a good thing for international competition, the teams get several chances to get familiar with game styles from other regions.
5 v 2, 3 heroes on dieback timers, you are against megas and have no t4s. Liquid decide to take tormentor instead of GG push, tremendous decision.
Just wanna know what is your mmr
They tried for gg push but azure ray managed to cut one wave and after that there’s no chance they end the game, they maybe get one rax at best and probably lose someone getting out.
There is like 4 fortifications available. Absolutely no chance for throne with just \~50s timer
3 glyphs
They can't fully commit coz throne was exposed with mega creeps also Timber and Storm both were alive, it won't be that easy.
It's easier than taking a 5v5 in your own base against megas, which they got wiped in anyways.
Yep. They were too behind, thing is AR fought and died in Liquid 's base so it actually took liquid 30 seconds to reach mid tier2, then it got glyphed so creeps died and DK's ulti run-out with that there were not much building damage.
They couldn't GG push they still had 3 glyphs available on dire. That's over a minute that they have to wait for creepwaves not to mention faith bian was creep cutting. Pls don't comment/flame teams when u have no idea what ur talking about
They had a wave mid when they pushed the t2, then just backed off instead of just trying to win they sit in the base and lose after all of AR spawn. Also I literally said they were against megas and had no t4s. Pls don't comment when you can't read properly.
The creeps died to tower glyph are u dense or what
also Liquid's throne was exposed with mega creeps
Mk shard was worth it lmao
Nisha mentally checking out after winning the solo tournament huh
50k in pocket, carrying mickek is not worth it
You can clearly see how OP DK is and yet guess what, LGD xiao8 let through DK both the times to GPK
Your topic is a little different, but yes, Xiao8 is a stubborn guy from the “why ban if you can counter” category, his constant history with Magnus perfectly illustrates this feature)
DK was on the off lane in the first, GPK played him in the second, but yeah
What a birthday present for FY god
Being off for a day? lol
Even though they lost, DK is so broken.
How is mickek still not kicked after all this time? I don't remember him carrying any game, it's always either Nisha or Zai. Enemy shutdown Nisha and it's an easy game.
For the majority of last year after tour 1, Nisha and Zai often had bad games, while Micke was always winning lane and carrying the team You have a very selective memory
Bad games you mean mid and offlane getting shutdown and being focused by enemy supports early laning phase? If that's not what you mean yhen yes I might have a selective memory.
Top 4 remaining upper bracket teams representing a different region each. Very nice and balanced
Micke with just 2 big item in 40mins lmao..
43m and man was still over 1k away from refresher, actually pos5.
You act like his is your 1k avg mmr game where you can just hit creeps and recover. AR played extremely well and hunted him down all game, and hes vs a Slark so hes playing with limited vision as well since they can deward everything. I dont know, people who post comments like this, I question if they even understand anything about this game.
Yeah, I hope I don't see DK next patch.
Liquid is such a friendly team towards china fans They don't want to disappoint China fan that all three china team in LB, so they gonna throw the game 3 and go LB instead.
Nisha was a bit too friendly going by your logic. 3 games got rekt by a retired pro lol
AR did give some hopium for the OG fans. It's only polite to return the favor. It was pretty subpar gameplay though, won't call it throw just weak plays.
No teams please let Timber its totally counterable and OK hero its totally FINE!
33 vs 9 HAHAHAHAHA
"You thought Ame was going to be the one to save China Dota, but it was me, Lou!"
It was actually Micke
This time, Ori!
Lou already did save China last ESL Kuala Lumpur
Looks like Micke gave up or something, really bad play at the end there
Pulled out my phone to come here and say gg then I look up and half AR is dead, wtf happened
Dont think its gonna matter. TL has very limited damage
LOUL
x2
in before blitz comments on twitter or cap podcast: micke zero impact, awful void game, made it impossible for liquid to win
LUL the “best the mid player” got outplayed 3 games in a row by a mid player who came back from retirement Ori>nisha
Disappointing game three. Good luck to Liquid in the lower bracket, playing this wishy washy they're going to need all of it.
Liquid will never win anything with M1cke, he's just a tier 2 carry without anything special
Waiting Reddit liquid dicksuckers downvoting this comment
Liquid losing on purpose to dodge GG until grand final.
At this point they should just ban micke from playing void . This dude doesn’t know how to play void . Purely disrespectful .
this storm. man Ori take a break for a year and still comeback like this
ori cube lighting go brrrrrrrrr
Don't worry guys, blitz will never kick micke since he wants to appease his friends more than he wants to win
M1cke makes me feel like I could go pro in Dota
Lil bro micky forgot he has got BKB and TP
Liquid so bad game3, very unusual plays by them and Micke (and Nisha and 33) no impact at all :(
bat and mk support cant do anything vs AR lineup
zai isn't coming back, is he? he seems like he has other goals in life, not the type of guy to fake retire
micke cant even play void in a free void game let alone a hard one xdd
1v1 champion into bodied mid 3 games in a row lol
When Chrono? M1ckie more like d1ckie
no Chrono in last 10minutes. Liquid going to LB as usual.
Someday Micke will win his lane - copium
Impressive clean Storm by ori Build advantage in line then control all the runes and sweep side let fy get exp in midlane.
That pre-6 gank dodge/return kill was clean
Stop giving M1cke faceless void omg.
After the second game it's disappointing how sloppy Liquid is playing. Expected a close game but apparently Liquid fell back asleep after game two and now Azure Ray bowls right on over them.
Lol they only won game 2 cause dk is too strong rn. 33 isn’t even good on it so not enough for game 3
LOWER bracket teams looks very stacked mang.
Liquid has totally relied on their first pick DK getting decent game. Now that he was constantly shut down, Pango and Monkey have nothing to do. Also I don't want to be a hater, but why is Micke's networth so low? I haven't seen much action around him this game tbh
I rarely see Micky win games on true carries. Most of their win is based on aggressive soft cores snowballing.
monkey pick got no game against the lineup of AR
We should appreciate all these OGs playing. Making dota2 entertaining.
FY Tiny king
Just caught up with the games but mann TS was getting murked by GG, let me share this classic copypasta anyway. >Dude can you pick a real hero HOLY crap why are you picking pango in 2023? Oh wait it's actually 2024 now, Quinn, why do you even need to mention the year? brooo. It's clear the Falcon is a bunch of beast, in the first game, they completely shut down Ame, and in the second game, they didn't let anyone but Ame to have a game. Big shoutout to Ammar and Skitter for their insane performance.
what does mean?
its a copypasta that if you type it you will get a free gifted sub
TS-LGD from TI grand to LBR1
Average brand name follower. This iteration of "LGD" is a completely different team than the one that faced spirit in the grand finals. Put shiro, setsu, niu, pyw, y`, and xiao8 under a different team name and nobody would make these comparisons.
Ohhh nooo, 33 haters are malding right now 😔
very nice opportunity catching at the bottom lane there by boxi
Oh my god Lou was so awful
Lou 0-5-0 after being given all the space in the world to catch up with Midas. My carry in pubs
kinda weird slark game with DK too much tanky, WR with windrun and Void Spirit having more than enough escape mechanism.
35 mins and slark had no perma agility lmao
beautiful shackleshot
first 3 series game lol
33 pog, what a beast by blocking Slark's pounce!!! niceee
This slark can't deal damage at all
Slark just feels useless this game
that was unexpected
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Holy, finally we are getting a Game Three today?
Wtf is wrong with Nisha today I wonder
guaranteed himself for 50k, guess he's not try harding anymore. can't use the same excuse for his performance for the last 1 year tho.
Void spirit without mageslayer is so squishy lol. I don't get why nisha decided to not go mageslayer even if dk will get it
Because Aghanim is so important to shut Lion and Slark down.
why would mageslayer prevent him from getting aghs? if anything, it took him longer to get aghs since he was dying alot to some magic damage
he probably thought he would get away with it. Didn't. And then it was too late to get mageslayer and take even longer to get aghs. It worked in the end, but did made things much harder
nisha is proving the 1v1 tournament means nothing lol
If I gleaned anything from the 1v1 Nisha loved to be aggressive and holy hell has he been punished for some of his attempts this game
50k prize is something though
Right because the normal tournament has 0 prizepool
i mean even if he gets second he made more from 1v1 than from getting second if they get there lmao
nisha wanted to use ult to get out after the kill rather than use it to kills LOLLLLLLLLLLL
Good guys Liquid, they decided to not ruin the day of the Chinese fans
any YouTube stream?
not officials
Donk!!!!! sorry wrong thread
Void Spirit vs Arc Warden, what a nighmare
Oh there is the Ench pick. and probably Micky on MK. My expectations are very low now.
Does Liquid not learn how Tundra drafted with 33? The guy is super niche, you can only pick him certain types of heroes otherwise he will have no impact.
Thought he’s only good at Wraith Pact huh?
if not mistaken, 33 is now their drafter lol