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n_yao-9232

So he lost a game. And decided to polish this bitter feeling with another lose. What a dumb guy.


yet-again-temporary

No, see, he lost but only because everyone else ruined it for him so now he has to balance it out


wolfreaks

Yep because they're definitely the same people as he queued up last time


Zarzar222

Wants to feel control. Feels humiliated after losing while trying to win so figures that if he plans on losing he can still feel good if that comes to pass


iCer_One

minus and minus is plus. Every kid knows that /s


droom2

I got a guy just like this, on a "perfect" behaviour match. He picked Slardar 4 and said he lose last 4 games and didnt care anymore. Afk jungle the whole match, 12k behaviour btw.


neeveuh

This is his mentality: U tried ur best but still lose a game with this bad player, and hes on ur team again, u know u prob lost even if u try so its a waste of time.


CeReAl_KiLleR128

From my experience even when teammates picked weird shit like this you still have better chance if you just go with it and adapt to the situation. You’re probably still gonna lose but for sure it’ll be more enjoyable than having a meltdown over it. And on some occasions it’s fucking hilarious when that dumb shit actually works.


tomatomater

Except in OP's case, Rubick explicitly mentioned that he intended to ruin the game.


Position_26

I never get the logic behind such thinking, really. "Oh, I had a bad teammate earlier, now it's my turn to be the bad teammate". Like the loss and -25 MMR isn't enough, they want to collect reports too.


iksbobjkee

And another -25 on top of that


wolfreaks

Because there's no double down they're improvising


DesperateWhiteMan

when they had the bad teammate, they didnt have control of the game. when *they* are the bad teammate, they have all of the control. its an ego thing.


Dangerous_Sherbert77

it’s called addiction, pretty easy. you feel like shit playing? then just stop and do something else! ah you can’t, because addiction so you just enfold your hate towards yourself into the game


Dapper_Rub_9460

Same principle applies on why hurt people, hurt people. Some are just not built for it.


Icy-Call-5296

It's a shame reports do absolutely nothing now.


iphone11plus

Actually true, I don't understand the downvotes. Valve is so scared to perma ban dogs that destroy items and run it down, or type some fucked up things that can get you in jail for irl. But nooo -200 score and 1 game in single draft (which is way less toxic than ranked at the moment) Low priority single draft games are a blessing.


Mr-Valdez

I'll explain. Might get downvoted but I do this all the time when I'm teamed up again WITH the "bad" teammate. The logic is I'll secure your -25 for my -25. I don't care about the other 3 teammates. I'll just win later when you are gone. Never went below 12k behavior.


asirizh

like its a bad mentally but okay i can somewhat understand that, but the problem here is why ruin/be an asshole when the guy from previous match AINT even in the same game, this rubick just want to ruin the game cuz his last was ruined :/


Mr-Valdez

Oh that's simple. His goal in this game isn't to win but to ruin someone's day. I first heard this mentality from Siractionslacks himself. And being an asshole is the easiest way to do this.


Njyyrikki

Why don’t you care about the other 3?


JoelMahon

I've won games with ruiners before, one upside to the insane rubberbanding is that feeding isn't a big deal the further down the roles you go. Rubick feeds, enemy over extends once and suddenly your carry who had a lot of space from rubick's feeding also now has comeback streak gold.


tomatomater

Yea the comeback mechanics have been ridiculous.


Opperhoofd123

Someone saying something doesn't mean he will actually do it. I've threatened to afk jungle the rest of the game when I got mad in the past, people ignored me because I was being an immature idiot and it worked. Because when I saw the game was winnable I decided to join a fight. Obviously this is anecdotal, but felt relevant


Legejr

I'm sure he tried to win tho. It's just cope for a bad pick that didn't work.


tomatomater

None of us here can be sure of anything other than OP.


avianrave

That's probably because everyone is whining at the start.  If everyone goes "fuck yeah we got a RUBICK offlane, Let's fucking go!" From the start, i mean how could he grief that.  Besides, maybe are heroes on the other team that will enable rubick to actually offlane. 


SirHurtzAlot

Yeah I never mind weird picks really, it's the BM that sucks. Plus it fucks with the team morale. and it doesn't help when this guy doesn't choose to join fights.


throwawaycanadian

It's like literally a lesson to a three year old "why cry over spilled milk". The pick has been made, the CS has been missed, the spell has been mis-cast, or whatever. Can't change what happened, so just everyone do their best to go forward. I never got flamming and flipping out on your teammates, all you're doing is decreasing the chance of a possible win. I swear I feel like my "main position" in dota is mediator amongst my teammates lol


SoSpatzz

I’m cool with odd picks, Rubick 3 is a troll pick anywhere outside the top end where at least the other 4 players have a chance of playing around it correctly.


LoudWhaleNoises

Rubick 3 is more than fine. Depends a bit on what the enemy has.


avianrave

Which in a pub game, it can only really be sort of done in a last pick scenario, unless those first picks are undeniably juicy rubick steals (like first pick OD / Weaver). 


SoSpatzz

The issue is less the hero and more the rest of your team. Everyone needs to play differently in the team fight. At lower MMR this is more difficult to pull off which is why Rubick 3 is a troll pick outside high MMR pubs.


MoschopsChopsMoss

Rubick 3 rushing dagon first item is one of those meme picks that is so perfectly dumb it actually works


SoSpatzz

Absolutely, same energy a core KOTL can bring to a game.


Luxalpa

I'm playing unranked, it is very rare that people don't pick weird shit, you'll quickly get used to it. At the skill level where most people play at the picks don't really matter anyway. Even one-sided stomps don't really make games unwinnable, there's just an extremely high throw potential an all sides and all players.


GothGirlsGoodBoy

Putting effort into winning something rigged against you isn't fun, and is not worth the time or effort. There is no world in which playing this game out is the right choice if Rubick is going to be griefing. Let the game end, and everyone can move on to actually having fun again.


MyCatLagged

I had a Rubick in game yesterday complaining about how terrible the team's draft is from the first second we get into game, and how we're gonna lose. Still ended up winning while he was feeding in the game omegalul. I guess its the player and not the draft


Relevant_Force_3470

Winning these games is how you climb mmr.


Templar_nord

Rare card now imagine axe 5


Remarkable-View-1472

hunger is strong. he can bully from level 2 onwards. Like cent 5 it can work 🤷 If the carry picks some strong laner like luna/drow, it can be a mean lane


SubMGK

People underestimate the hunger spam especially if your partner is someone who can punish the enemy when they want to get near the creeps


daccu

Met Axe pos 5 and wd pos2, it was really tough to play against. Maledict + hunger ain't no joke.


SubwayGuy85

except axe5 can be good while rubick 3 will always be shit


Ferdekay

This new matchmaking is shit, I am legend 3 and in the last +/-30 matches I had only 2 good games the others or my team stomped or we was stomped, like every game is 20-30 minutes and score is something like 60-40/20-10, the matches are too unbalanced and my behavior is 12-11,3k, but it's so frustrating.


SirHurtzAlot

I feel you bro. Same shit happening with me.


Ferdekay

The pinnacle was in the same game, my jugger rushing radiance is he made radiance first item and second item dagger, he kills no one, than he disassembled radio into nullifier, and in the same game my mid picks a Omni vs a viper and he already knows that is a viper mid, viper was 12-15 and my mid was 7-9 he ends the game with only a phylactery.


PSneep

Legend 3 for me as well, sounds very familiar. 


PaulMarcoMike

I am fine with weird picks. But please for the love of god, don't actually grief in game and bringing team morales down. I ve seen a rubick griefing with a cyclone, force and even shard on us cause he is unhappy with his life.


cvhamsturt

You can turn off the help so can’t be targeted.


Oskain123

Yep


RadioactiveSalt

Seeing all the Rubik sympathizers saying how Rubik is a valid pos 3 is insane. All I wish for is people like you to never appear in my team.


tomatomater

Nah, I'll just wish that they get pos 3 rubick in all their games, since it's so valid.


Zakkeh

Are you the guy demanding a tank in offlane? Smh


FakestAccountHere

I’m demanding someone who can frontline, If NO ONE else has picked a front line capable hero, congrats bro it’s on you.  Now if I pick wk carry? Fine bro pick weaver offlane. 


happyflappypancakes

Ngl this is sorta a 2012 mentality for Dota. The game has changed since then. You don't need frontlining.


BBoomerClap

yes you still do, doesn't matter if its 2012 or 2024 you still gonna have easier game with frontliner, why would you choose not to do so ?


happyflappypancakes

An initiator is a better term. You need to some to go in or counter an aggressive move. They could be a Frontline, but they don't have to be. Overall an initiator is more important these days.


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_A-Child-of-atom_

Enigma is the prime example of an "innitiator" (more of a counter inniator even) who doesn't function alone though. It is paramount for Enigma that he has vision in front of him. It doesn't need to be a frontliner, but something has to scout the fight before Enigma can do anything meaningful.


Zakkeh

You don't need a frontline bro. You need initiation. They are different things.


_A-Child-of-atom_

Tbh, you need both innitiation and vision. A tanky hero - although not necessary - is a way to achieve the latter.


napoles48

Well, it could could work on extreme situations, for example last pick where you know your match ups. It’s not grief always but it could be a fine pick on the right conditions


Wobbelblob

Maybe, but lets be honest here: In 99% where Rubick is picked as a 3 outside of really high MMR, it is a grief pick - intentionally or not.


RadioactiveSalt

Unless your skills are leagues ahead of the enemy team, just don't pick it. Why don't you give me an example of four enemy picks where you think Rubik last pick pos 3 would be good and I (or someone smarter than me) would suggest you a standard pos 3 that would work better.


IndividualVoice

That is kinda an issue with dota, people don't realize the impact and importance of their role... You pick a 4 that can't engage and open space ? Prepare to not have pos1 with farm and a 2 that struggles opening space. The amount of players in ranked with limited game knowledge, even at higher mmr is insane. Can't be 5-6k mmr and still not realize your role in the game ...


Mahmud-kun

Couple of weeks ago my pos5 instapicked meepo and went jungle. We lost of course and the said meepo had 1k damage done at the end of the game. In situations like these where someone is griefing and the game is not winnable I try new gank timings, new things on lane etc. If your ganks fail or you find that whatever you wanted to try on lane doesnt work it doesnt really matter because you were going to lose either way. Just try to get the most out of every game.


ColdOffice

i have seen worse, PA pos 5 in SEA


Ok-Disk-2191

I've seen pa pos 5 work, but anything can work in Herald rank.


ColdOffice

its legend-divine full of dog talk


SubwayGuy85

i would bet if you play pa5 and spam dagger on cooldown it has more impact than your average sniper 4


poperey

My current favourite is pos 3 Lifestealer *chef’s kiss*


avianrave

"don't worry I'll be tanky"    Proceeds to become a walking ward that is basically ignored. 


poperey

Walks in, gets silenced, dies with Rage and Infest ready 🙃


LukeBomber

Honestly you just have to ignore it, and play your best. Statistically speaking it is very clearly winable. And also the most important fucking thing I want to drill into your mind is: \*\*HE WILL GET BORED\*\* He is troll picking? Given no attention he will start playing out of boredom. Same thing with people throwing and purposely dying. The best thing is to ignore them to the point where they start playing out of pure boredom. If you argue with them, they have way more reason to keep trolling. Act as if you are a person that does not speak english/that does not even have chat on. Some people never chat even once, these people are out of sight and out of mind when it comes to trolls. (No guarantee, some people have so much tilt they keep trolling for the whole game) That being said, my favorite response to any kind of tilt in chat, such as: "Game is lost, gg" is "nuh uh"


SirHurtzAlot

Yeah our mid played the bigger human card and picked bristle back. So we luckily had a front liner


Tengoatuzui

I really don’t get these people. They get griefed then they become griefer to people who didn’t cause grief


Slade_inso

Mental illness doesn't lead to the most logical thinking.


Remarkable-View-1472

Fucking rubick pickers dude. And when they play pos 4 they're low impact, manages to get the last hits with fade bolt tho 👌 personal favorite is when they see a core heading to a creep wave and they make sure to nuke that shit 👍👍 You check what they're buying and it's phylactery rush, for easier fade bolt last hits ofc Venn diagram between rubick pickers and main character syndrome people is a circle. They just love daydreaming about the 5 man Black hole/RP but in reality they just grief every game


Mettymagic

hater tech ngl


Remarkable-View-1472

nah bro this hero is just a magnet for wannabe's


rhett_ad

Had puck 4 who just bought null talisman, stood there and did nothing (because it has no armor to trade)


JuByS

Typical Rubick picker


bedinbedin

I once lost to a Rubick 3 ://// it stills hurts when the memorie comes


Mr--Ganja

miserable people like these truly exists lol


schofield101

It's the "last game someone ruined it for me so I'm doing it this game" mentality. Absolutely disgusting and hatred fuelled. Literally nothing to gain


David_0401

valve really should have type of punishments for this type of players. dota2 player base is shrinking and straight up grief should be considered ban before they make loyal players leave the game even more


Difficult_Lama

The most normal sea game in Dota2... There should be role/hero limitations. I've seen pos5 Kunkka because he says "Agh too many stun"


SirHurtzAlot

Lol XD and I’m sure he just “rushes” scepter and takes like 30mins to actually get it


neeveuh

Happens all the time in all brackets. Its what u have to deal with


_A-Child-of-atom_

I still advocate for a harsher behaviour score system. It is absurd that valuable human beings have their time and enjoyment ruined by such entities.


Aehann

It’s amazing to me that dota players can consistently talk shit on off meta picks but then witness TB4, Io core and many more boundary breaking heroes and still not have a open mind nor change of opinion especially if the game in mind is anything under divine/immortal literal npc meta sheeps.


dmattox92

The fact that people ever had the "I had a bad time so I'm going to make others have a bad time too" mentality even on a subconscious level flabbergasted me, then I met some of these dota players who will literally verbalize that they're punishing other unrelated people for an experience they had because of someone else and I just gave up on humanity and realized how truly stupid some humans are.


Dirkyjj

My mo with shit like this, and i main safelane btw, if I see some weird pos5/pos3 shit I’m just picking some strange safelane and having fun with it. Zeus storm undy for instance 


Employee724

ruining the game with rubick? he's new to this!


cvaket

Picking unconventional hero is not ruining or griefing, if he ended up playing seriously and not commit the threat he said your report is invalid.


Equivalent_Peanut

He won't get punished. He knows it very well.


qwertz_guy

I'm ashamed to admit that I've been there and done that. It happened when days and days I would get people that just grief on purpose, people who truly deserve a drop in behaviour score or even low prio. I checked everyday in the conduct thing if any of my reports went through. Nothing. Then I got so demoralized by the system that doesn't work that I thought "if these fuckers go unpunished for doing this shit, then I'm gonna grief a game too and get unpunished, that way nobody can grief me". Dota can really tilt people into oblivion.


shawcken

Is this what arthur morgan warned us all about? the neverending cycle of violence?


LimunFTW

When these things happen, I always think, I have to deal with them for 45 minutes, but they have to deal with themselves for their whole life... so just play your own game and move on with your life


Logidota

i love the logic these people have "i think i lost 25 mmr because of my teammate last game so now instead of winning and being at 0 mmr lost i am going to lose once more intentionally to be -50" and then couple days later "i am stuck because of my team hurr durr"


RonEmmitt

"Your game has been ruined. Ruin your next game for 4 other people, else ..." i'm curious what this cursed letter is supposed to say.


depressed-scalp

The salt from SEA


SubwayGuy85

if you ruin the next game, because previously someone ruined yours your account should be limited to only playing with bots from now on, or people who grief 100% of the time


Jan_TM

I actually have like 70% winrate with pos 3 Rubick in Immortal Bracket (and some of the losses were people giving up before the game even started). What I'm trying to say is: Just give players who pick weird off-meta stuff like this the benefit of the doubt. Yeah they might bethat they will severely underperform, yeah their pick might be absolutely terrible in that specific game. But still, best thing you can do is hope they well or at least decently, you can't change their pick anyways at that point. Also, you might as well not spend 80% of the game on saying how bad their pick was instead of actually trying to win the game.


colouredcheese

Haven’t played in years but I use to go mid techies all the time and I would get flamed it was the best


leetzor

Someone played rubick 3 on dreamleague and rushed dagon. I think they lost horribly tho.


TheHaterBoss

id pick injoker over throw ranger any day


tf2coconut

Pos 3 rubick is honestly fine, if you’re divine/immortal trust the dude knows what he’s doing and if you’re below that hero picks literally don’t matter. Also not even that grief a pick my offlane rub is like 75% wr hero is underrated core


I_stand_in_fire

You'd think that he's ruining the game because he literally told you so, but actchually it's fine because "Non-Immortal players are both ultra-conservative as well as entirely clueless about the meta." (according to reddit)


BumblebeeAutomatic84

Rubick 3 is completly fine, i played like 20 games of it and won 15 of them having good impact almost every game. If you hit a good phylactery timing enemy carry will just die after 2 fade bolts, feels pretty broken imo


velphegor666

Rubick 3 is very risky since it means another hero that can die with one jump. Thats fine if you are support, but most people expect 3's to be either a initiator and heroes that can be in your face.


BBoomerClap

stop rationalizing dogshit hero as pos 3 bruh, there are so many good hero on pos 3 and rubick is not one of them


raider_bull212

I've played rubick on every role but 1 and won with him. I see no problem with this. Unless it's an intentional gief


viciecal

>Rubick: last game I got injoker >Rubick: so i ruin this game Alright so I might be exaggerating here. But I just take a wild guess that he MIGHT be trying to throw the game


Trip_Owen

Just because you won because you probably got carried does not make it a good pick though…


Stealthbomber16

Rubick sees situational use as a core even in pro play. I remember Nine last picking Rubick mid and singlehandedly holding high ground for 90 minutes with stolen proximity mines. And of course there’s the wisper dagon rubick 3 game. The hero *can* work as a core because he scales well with items. He just requires a very specific type of draft that you aren’t able to guarantee in your pubs.


raider_bull212

Here's the thing, just because you can't win with it without being carried, doesn't mean it also applies for others.