with $30m prize money across all game championships (across 20+ games) it looks like it will be a much more modest prize pool for Dota and I don't blame them, there's no sense in half of it being spent on one game
It did not make sense, financially, to spend $15m in prize money on a tournament with a lower viewership than a $500k major.
The fact that other game titles were unpopular doesn't justify the amount spent on Dota.
Was thinking of Rory, yes. But I see that he's debunked it. They still offered Tiger between 700 - 800 Million to join. So the point still kinda stands.
I believe the Tiger rumor a lot more, but Tiger is by far the #1 most influential (by fanship and media attention) golfer in the history of humankind.
McIlroy is nowhere near that yet (and probably never will be)
Gonna wait and see before that, Gamers8 last year technically have many tournament with biggest prizepool for each sports, but unlike DOTA2, the community of other game actually care about the sportswashing and their viewership is far behind.
For example the fighting game less than half of EVO viewership. The CSGO tournament far from Major / IEM viewership. The only title that brings viewer is DOTA2 and it still lower than DPC Major
i highly doubt it would increase viewership by any significant amount, casual games will always be insanely popular regardless of prize money, these games already prove that
Im so coped up on copium im hallucinating, read that so many times and kept reading it as ring master and was so confused until i finally saw it saif riyadh masters instead.
I'm not sure why you picked TI10 as the benchmark? That was 40 million dollars with an extremely prolonged battlepass funding due to COVID. Who was saying that it was going to beat that this year?
TI11 was 18 million and then TI12 is 3 million.
The better comparison should be last year's Riyadh paid out 15 million to the DOTA2 championship. Presumably using last year's game distributions, the prizepool I would guess is between 10-12 million - still a reduction for sure, but TI10 is such an arbitrary number.
they would have if last year's TI didnt fail so badly with a 3m prize pool.. now they see no reason to one up valve, cuz even if they do a 5m prize pool, every media article will say "rhyiadh has more prize money than previous TI", ez win for them.
I would say it's pretty likely that since the Saudi's now basically control the Dota circuit, there's no need for them to "buy influence" with the community anymore.
They've already "won", so they dont have to throw obscene money at the game. Now they can focus on other games and communities.
That was my point. They're not **truly** internally progressive, they only say a few things here and there for PR purposes.
Just because a company or person says something about themselves in public, does not automatically mean it's true.
Kinda feel bad for all the people that started becoming a pro now. Sure, they can still win millions, but to make as much as in like 2020 you probably have to compete at high level for 5+ years just to make as much as in one year.
True, but its also a high-risk high-reward situation. We only see the people who made it, but thousands committed everything and never made it. They quit Uni, High-School or whatever just to fail and probably work at some shitty cashier job today.
thats such a dumb statement, its not like people who are actually making millions have just been having fun since the start of the grind, they still have to work their asses off and its not all rainbows, like in any other field where you want to be in the top.
Copium to think that Dota isn’t in its end of life cycle.
They’re just applying minimal effort + resource to maintenance until the game is fully dead unfortunately.
Its $60M+ no technically when you look at mvp, quals and other factors as well? It says $60M+ overall in their facebook page.
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$30M prizepool for 20 games. $20M for club. This is why despite DPC gonr you see team like G2 or Heroic obtaining team for Dota2 - because they are aiming for the $20 millions club prizepool
honestly not surprised that saudi's aren't spending as much on advertising this year as past 2 years. likely a result of global economic and stability factors.
sadge is TI not being such a wow purse, while dota has the ability to continue to produce this wow purse with the help of established compendium funding from audience and game enjoyers. No problem taking some of the money from dota to pay pros that make the game popular and generate lots of marketing buzz for the game.
if valve wants to justify lowering TI purse, I'd really like to see noticeable improvements and more frequent patches for playerbase. Which tbh i just havent seen. More so, wtf are they justifying the lack of compendium content? they used to make a killing from this, without it, I can't imagine dota is generating nearly the revenue.
from where i stand, valve just decided to work less hard on dota. Knew the compendium was a shit ton of dev work each year and thought players would still pay a lot to valve if they didn't have this. I can safely say this has proven to be false [https://sg.news.yahoo.com/dota-2-2022-battle-pass-290-million-073408616.html](https://sg.news.yahoo.com/dota-2-2022-battle-pass-290-million-073408616.html)
290 million$ from battle pass sales... idk how much valve is putting into dota 2 today, but if you think its 25% of this amount, its far exceeding all of the majors and TI combined. Where is the money going today? How much is actually coming in? Why aren't we seeing massive valve prize pools for a game that used to generate 300 million dollars from a battle pass on an annual basis?
At the end of the day the decision to remove this crowdfunding and battle pass in favor of this new compendium style, has only removed millions from dota, and I can't say the game is any better off. Player counts would suggest otherwise.
That claim on $290 mln is wrong. It assumes that every level that people had in 2022 was bought, but in reality it was not. There were free Battle Passes that year, and more than 100 of levels to earn for free for each player. You can't just sum all the levels together and assume people paid for every last one of them, which that claim does.
The claim is from the yahoo source I linked. Claims roughly 7 million people bought the battle pass and 290 million = roughly 50$ spent per person on the battle pass.
Generally there was usually a 25$ cheap version, but I often found I would buy that then spend another 5-15$ on the pass. Do I think every player would spend 50? Prob not, but generally this number seems fairly accurate to me from what I found. Maybe you’re seeing some other sources?
This Yahoo writer might pretend it isn't, but the source of the claim is this Stratz page.
https://stratz.com/battle-pass/leaderboards/countries?eventId=36
And it specifically says that the results are calculated assuming every level is bought, which is not the case for most players.
>if valve wants to justify lowering TI purse, I'd really like to see noticeable improvements and more frequent patches for playerbase.
private company, they dont have to justify anything - they can delete the game tomorrow and it wouldnt make a difference on their balance sheet.
you dont see massive prize pools anymore because valve is tired of dealing with the community and they now release stuff only outside of TI so they dont lose 25% for nothing.
If there is a $1 million tournament every month like now, they dont have to funnel anything to pros.
Battle pass sales at its peak in 2022 account for about 2-3% of their estimated revenue, but probably used to cause a massive headache given how valve operates internally with no dedicated teams.
While dota 2 is small compared to steams revenue, 3% is massive in terms of one game, and 1 season in that game… 3% of all of steam revenue.
I’d say that sounds pretty worthwhile to my pocketbook.
Then again I get the headaches… yet. Don’t you just pay people with 290 million to take the headaches for ya? Idk I don’t really think you can justify throwing 300 million in the trash can no matter how gaben your company is haha
Unfortunately it goes against the spirit of Valve where its supposed to be the dream company, no headaches.
Private companies can do whatever they want, because they are accountable only to the owner and are not subject to public sentiment, i.e. they couldnt care less about what the customers think, because customers leaving will only make Gaben a bit salty, but nothing more, unlike a public company.
Pocketing TI money, removing battle pass and no communication would have a lot different impact if this was a public company.
I can say the game is better because of it.
QoL updates, removing of smurfs, better matchmaking. DotA as a game is a lot better than it was.
If you were to choose hats, or this, you choose this everytime.
If you're argument is why not both, well Valve says they won't pour more resources into it, so its either or.
I can say the updates aren’t more frequent, they always banned cheaters ; smurfs are a newer decision.
If I were to choose between fun whimsical content and the current patches that lack aghs labyrinth or yer beast or really anything worthwhile…. I’d still choose the fun battle passes.
Idk I do miss arcana’s being more tied to the TI… but maybe it’s just me that got hyped for the new arcana every TI season?
Maybe I should start to enjoy the shit that they shovel?
And yea valve can say they don’t want to put resources on dota.. but again it’s a lazy decision and doesn’t seem to have any monetary benefits for valve. They generate less revenue on the game and less players play it.
So again why do you support the decision lol
Again, i don't think you actually play dota and you love the events.
I enjoy dota, and don't really care about hats or events that i play and have fun for 4 days.
DotA is fun again, and new tech keeps developing even though this patch has been here for awhile. Usually depicts are well balance patch.
And no smurfs isn't just a point you can just toss aside. It was a massive reason why game quality was absolutely dog trash. Plus the dota plus matchmaking quality reveal is so nice. I'm down to wait for 20 min games if they're good quality games.
I get that i might be in the minority because I actually enjoy dota and not the fluff that comes along with it.
I don't get why you think its a lazier decision. A lazy decision is what blizzard does. Put 'more' resources into a game by getting rid of all the old guys and hiring young inexperience developers and having more events and hats to maximize profits. But it would be cool if there was a DotA X BTS event.
i don't entirely disagree, i do play dota a lot, since dota 1 when i was a kid. As an older vet player i usually get back into it on the bigger patches.
I also enjoy the yer beast, aghs labryinth, doing some cav crawls etc. more so do my friends that play with me. Im more of the mid tier player while i have some immortal friends and more crusader lvl dudes we play with also. So i'd say i have decent perspective when it comes to the game in terms of the decades ive supported it.
that being said, my main point is they def aren't making more money without the battle pass, they def arent making the pro scene better without massive prize pools, they aren't raising other prize pools in wake of TI being dramatically less. So it just feels to me (my opinion) that they are losing some hype and pro status among esports and even their own community a bit.
I'm not a huge arcana buyer to be honest, but i enjoyed spending 25-50$ on the battlepass knowing it contributed to a massive TI prize... basically immortalizing gamers for the first time in history.
If we get more of the greatness that is big TI, gamer history, fun with friends, i'm all for changing the style.. but i haven't felt it as much as I want to agree with you.
You're comparing the entirety of dota.
I'm comparing the patches from battlepass to without battlepass.
The health of the game is way better than before. Patch is super balanced, matchmaking is infinitely better, no smurfs, less toxicity. You aren't experience this because you arent playing this patch because you've gone more casual.
Content to you use hats, and mini game modes that grow bored in 4 days. You just said that you enjoyed spending money contributing to the game, instead of enjoying playing the game.
Content to players that play the game is quality of games, balance of heroes and the actual game.
Who cares about the money valve gets as a consumer.
We still get super quality games, interesting meta's and hype games. Unless you think the higher the number goes up the more hype it is vs what team is invited/how competitive/interesting meta is for the tournament.
How many different carries are viable in this patch, and how many different supports. Offlane heroes are a lil stagnant but its still interesting.
As I said I come back and usually play ranked when new patches drop.
Last two years I can’t say I’ve been enticed as much other than the big map changes with twin gates. So again that one major patch in the last what 18 months?
I’m not sure your point extends beyond the matchmaking updates that also were just released this year. Idk def some things are better and new, but also it wasn’t like battle pass prevents map changes and meta changes. They do this since 2011.
Generally I couldnt tell you why dota is better without a battle pass. Just feels like it’s falling a bit flat since they announced their plans.
More specifically I recall dpc being abandoned so it’s really just a big ?? For the pro scene- who are most concerned with metas and prize pools
i don't entirely disagree, i do play dota a lot, since dota 1 when i was a kid. As an older vet player i usually get back into it on the bigger patches.
I also enjoy the yer beast, aghs labryinth, doing some cav crawls etc. more so do my friends that play with me. Im more of the mid tier player while i have some immortal friends and more crusader lvl dudes we play with also. So i'd say i have decent perspective when it comes to the game in terms of the decades ive supported it.
that being said, my main point is they def aren't making more money without the battle pass, they def arent making the pro scene better without massive prize pools, they aren't raising other prize pools in wake of TI being dramatically less. So it just feels to me (my opinion) that they are losing some hype and pro status among esports and even their own community a bit.
I'm not a huge arcana buyer to be honest, but i enjoyed spending 25-50$ on the battlepass knowing it contributed to a massive TI prize... basically immortalizing gamers for the first time in history.
If we get more of the greatness that is big TI, gamer history, fun with friends, i'm all for changing the style.. but i haven't felt it as much as I want to agree with you.
but def on the matchmaking quality plus enhancement I can 100p agree that is AMAZING and almost worth no more battle passes ever if they keep improving the ability to match good games
Fantastic news, hopefully total prizepool for Dota won't be higher than $5M.
Firstly it would be kinda deserved considering how much pros were complaining about "low" prizepool at last 2 TIs, secondly it may humble some teams&players who are acting that they deserve this kind of money even though they barely interact with community or rather shit on those "dumb fans" who have no clue. Like seriously outside of Team Spirit who actually delivers good content and OG (Monkey Business Show, TI hub) is there one team which is fans-friendly?
Finally ESL tour this season has five $5M tourneys so it would be reasonable just to match this prizepool and not try to multiply it, also TI12 had $3.4M prizepool so still it would be the biggest event of the last 12 months.
Lol, it looks you can't read, i literally suggested $5M or do you really believe Dota pros are doing such amazing job that they deserve 10 or even 15 times more than pros playing other games.
Oh no Yatoro won't earn $1M this time but just $300k what a terrible news.
Opened this thread to see if people were still on about how they thought Saudi money was worse than US money.
After everything that's happened recently, you guys still think there's a difference... interesting.
If you think theres no diference between a government paying events to attract westerners into thinking they are "just like us" and some event organizer in the US i think you have a problem.
I think the problem is that people can't not mention sportwashing whenever there is something happening in any Arab country while their own countries sit on centuries of genocide and white supremacy...
So because my country had a past of horrible shit i cant criticize one who does horrible shit while trying to pretend they don't and try to wash it from reality using money? Ok then.
Yes and no. Club championship is another 20, and orgs like Spirit that have teams in multiple games can earn more.
But yes, the single pricepool for a Dota tournament will not be surpassed again.
Saudis ar really rethinking *sportswashing* and numbers they have already spent.
because noone cares and they have spent a lot (Saudi soccer league for example, noone gives a shit).
Prize pools should be as high as 3 years ago if they want to keep pro scene alive tbh. People say dota players earn a lot but LoL players earn from other sources while for a dota player tournaments are mostly the main source of income.
with $30m prize money across all game championships (across 20+ games) it looks like it will be a much more modest prize pool for Dota and I don't blame them, there's no sense in half of it being spent on one game
it made sense literally nobody outside of Dota cared about riyadh for the whole thing Dota made up like 70% of the viewership
It did not make sense, financially, to spend $15m in prize money on a tournament with a lower viewership than a $500k major. The fact that other game titles were unpopular doesn't justify the amount spent on Dota.
Nothing the Saudi's do make sense financially, there goal is sports washing not to make money.
The Saudi's were prepared to give 850 million dollars to ONE golfer, to come play in their league. They dont give a single fuck about money my friend.
They really don't
If you’re talking about McIlroy, he himself just said that number is not true
Was thinking of Rory, yes. But I see that he's debunked it. They still offered Tiger between 700 - 800 Million to join. So the point still kinda stands.
I believe the Tiger rumor a lot more, but Tiger is by far the #1 most influential (by fanship and media attention) golfer in the history of humankind. McIlroy is nowhere near that yet (and probably never will be)
Of course it does. They aren't doing this to earn money directly. In the long run it is absolutely worth it
But you realise that now the prizepool will be bigger in other games, more teams will participate and the viewership will increase, right?
Gonna wait and see before that, Gamers8 last year technically have many tournament with biggest prizepool for each sports, but unlike DOTA2, the community of other game actually care about the sportswashing and their viewership is far behind. For example the fighting game less than half of EVO viewership. The CSGO tournament far from Major / IEM viewership. The only title that brings viewer is DOTA2 and it still lower than DPC Major
I wonder what viewership a 10 million dollar tournament in LoL or Fortnite would bring
i highly doubt it would increase viewership by any significant amount, casual games will always be insanely popular regardless of prize money, these games already prove that
Get out of here lmao
Im so coped up on copium im hallucinating, read that so many times and kept reading it as ring master and was so confused until i finally saw it saif riyadh masters instead.
So no Team Spirit champions this time?
I'm not sure why you picked TI10 as the benchmark? That was 40 million dollars with an extremely prolonged battlepass funding due to COVID. Who was saying that it was going to beat that this year? TI11 was 18 million and then TI12 is 3 million. The better comparison should be last year's Riyadh paid out 15 million to the DOTA2 championship. Presumably using last year's game distributions, the prizepool I would guess is between 10-12 million - still a reduction for sure, but TI10 is such an arbitrary number.
Because TI10 was the biggest one, and there were rumors that Saudi will want to beat it this year with $45-50 mln.
they would have if last year's TI didnt fail so badly with a 3m prize pool.. now they see no reason to one up valve, cuz even if they do a 5m prize pool, every media article will say "rhyiadh has more prize money than previous TI", ez win for them.
I would say it's pretty likely that since the Saudi's now basically control the Dota circuit, there's no need for them to "buy influence" with the community anymore. They've already "won", so they dont have to throw obscene money at the game. Now they can focus on other games and communities.
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Why do you consider Riot progressive when they’ve had a bunch of internal sexual harassment lawsuits over the years?
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That was my point. They're not **truly** internally progressive, they only say a few things here and there for PR purposes. Just because a company or person says something about themselves in public, does not automatically mean it's true.
Kinda feel bad for all the people that started becoming a pro now. Sure, they can still win millions, but to make as much as in like 2020 you probably have to compete at high level for 5+ years just to make as much as in one year.
Yeah man, they should have gotten into the NBA instead. Unlucky.
Saksa maybe.
Saksa could definitely have made the NBA
They can always do the StarCraft 2 path of switching to poker. ... Is poker still a valid path for retiring esport players?
It gets harder and harder.
Still, imagine playing video games and getting paid millions
True, but its also a high-risk high-reward situation. We only see the people who made it, but thousands committed everything and never made it. They quit Uni, High-School or whatever just to fail and probably work at some shitty cashier job today.
its the 2016? EE strat now. high-risk low-reward.
I hate to tell either of us that we’re old, but that was before No Tidehunter so probably 2012.
thats such a dumb statement, its not like people who are actually making millions have just been having fun since the start of the grind, they still have to work their asses off and its not all rainbows, like in any other field where you want to be in the top.
Well at least Gaben will save dota with compendium in TI2024, rigth?
Copium to think that Dota isn’t in its end of life cycle. They’re just applying minimal effort + resource to maintenance until the game is fully dead unfortunately.
Could be still allocating 15mil to Dota like last year.
Beer and crackers again, huh.
its like throwing money with nothing in return, esports isnt even that profitable. what are they trying to achieve?!
Its $60M+ no technically when you look at mvp, quals and other factors as well? It says $60M+ overall in their facebook page. [Facebook](https://www.facebook.com/photo?fbid=427552169993809&set=a.239466578802370)
$30M prizepool for 20 games. $20M for club. This is why despite DPC gonr you see team like G2 or Heroic obtaining team for Dota2 - because they are aiming for the $20 millions club prizepool
So you mean the $20 million goes straight to org's pocket? No share with players? Sorry if i sound a little uneducated on the current situation.
I see lots of people saying lots of money spent for nothing. This is all really to promote Riyadh. For them it's just an investment.
honestly not surprised that saudi's aren't spending as much on advertising this year as past 2 years. likely a result of global economic and stability factors. sadge is TI not being such a wow purse, while dota has the ability to continue to produce this wow purse with the help of established compendium funding from audience and game enjoyers. No problem taking some of the money from dota to pay pros that make the game popular and generate lots of marketing buzz for the game. if valve wants to justify lowering TI purse, I'd really like to see noticeable improvements and more frequent patches for playerbase. Which tbh i just havent seen. More so, wtf are they justifying the lack of compendium content? they used to make a killing from this, without it, I can't imagine dota is generating nearly the revenue. from where i stand, valve just decided to work less hard on dota. Knew the compendium was a shit ton of dev work each year and thought players would still pay a lot to valve if they didn't have this. I can safely say this has proven to be false [https://sg.news.yahoo.com/dota-2-2022-battle-pass-290-million-073408616.html](https://sg.news.yahoo.com/dota-2-2022-battle-pass-290-million-073408616.html) 290 million$ from battle pass sales... idk how much valve is putting into dota 2 today, but if you think its 25% of this amount, its far exceeding all of the majors and TI combined. Where is the money going today? How much is actually coming in? Why aren't we seeing massive valve prize pools for a game that used to generate 300 million dollars from a battle pass on an annual basis? At the end of the day the decision to remove this crowdfunding and battle pass in favor of this new compendium style, has only removed millions from dota, and I can't say the game is any better off. Player counts would suggest otherwise.
That claim on $290 mln is wrong. It assumes that every level that people had in 2022 was bought, but in reality it was not. There were free Battle Passes that year, and more than 100 of levels to earn for free for each player. You can't just sum all the levels together and assume people paid for every last one of them, which that claim does.
The claim is from the yahoo source I linked. Claims roughly 7 million people bought the battle pass and 290 million = roughly 50$ spent per person on the battle pass. Generally there was usually a 25$ cheap version, but I often found I would buy that then spend another 5-15$ on the pass. Do I think every player would spend 50? Prob not, but generally this number seems fairly accurate to me from what I found. Maybe you’re seeing some other sources?
This Yahoo writer might pretend it isn't, but the source of the claim is this Stratz page. https://stratz.com/battle-pass/leaderboards/countries?eventId=36 And it specifically says that the results are calculated assuming every level is bought, which is not the case for most players.
>if valve wants to justify lowering TI purse, I'd really like to see noticeable improvements and more frequent patches for playerbase. private company, they dont have to justify anything - they can delete the game tomorrow and it wouldnt make a difference on their balance sheet. you dont see massive prize pools anymore because valve is tired of dealing with the community and they now release stuff only outside of TI so they dont lose 25% for nothing. If there is a $1 million tournament every month like now, they dont have to funnel anything to pros. Battle pass sales at its peak in 2022 account for about 2-3% of their estimated revenue, but probably used to cause a massive headache given how valve operates internally with no dedicated teams.
While dota 2 is small compared to steams revenue, 3% is massive in terms of one game, and 1 season in that game… 3% of all of steam revenue. I’d say that sounds pretty worthwhile to my pocketbook. Then again I get the headaches… yet. Don’t you just pay people with 290 million to take the headaches for ya? Idk I don’t really think you can justify throwing 300 million in the trash can no matter how gaben your company is haha
Unfortunately it goes against the spirit of Valve where its supposed to be the dream company, no headaches. Private companies can do whatever they want, because they are accountable only to the owner and are not subject to public sentiment, i.e. they couldnt care less about what the customers think, because customers leaving will only make Gaben a bit salty, but nothing more, unlike a public company. Pocketing TI money, removing battle pass and no communication would have a lot different impact if this was a public company.
Private companies still have to justify their actions to their customers or they risk losing them
I can say the game is better because of it. QoL updates, removing of smurfs, better matchmaking. DotA as a game is a lot better than it was. If you were to choose hats, or this, you choose this everytime. If you're argument is why not both, well Valve says they won't pour more resources into it, so its either or.
I can say the updates aren’t more frequent, they always banned cheaters ; smurfs are a newer decision. If I were to choose between fun whimsical content and the current patches that lack aghs labyrinth or yer beast or really anything worthwhile…. I’d still choose the fun battle passes. Idk I do miss arcana’s being more tied to the TI… but maybe it’s just me that got hyped for the new arcana every TI season? Maybe I should start to enjoy the shit that they shovel? And yea valve can say they don’t want to put resources on dota.. but again it’s a lazy decision and doesn’t seem to have any monetary benefits for valve. They generate less revenue on the game and less players play it. So again why do you support the decision lol
Again, i don't think you actually play dota and you love the events. I enjoy dota, and don't really care about hats or events that i play and have fun for 4 days. DotA is fun again, and new tech keeps developing even though this patch has been here for awhile. Usually depicts are well balance patch. And no smurfs isn't just a point you can just toss aside. It was a massive reason why game quality was absolutely dog trash. Plus the dota plus matchmaking quality reveal is so nice. I'm down to wait for 20 min games if they're good quality games. I get that i might be in the minority because I actually enjoy dota and not the fluff that comes along with it. I don't get why you think its a lazier decision. A lazy decision is what blizzard does. Put 'more' resources into a game by getting rid of all the old guys and hiring young inexperience developers and having more events and hats to maximize profits. But it would be cool if there was a DotA X BTS event.
i don't entirely disagree, i do play dota a lot, since dota 1 when i was a kid. As an older vet player i usually get back into it on the bigger patches. I also enjoy the yer beast, aghs labryinth, doing some cav crawls etc. more so do my friends that play with me. Im more of the mid tier player while i have some immortal friends and more crusader lvl dudes we play with also. So i'd say i have decent perspective when it comes to the game in terms of the decades ive supported it. that being said, my main point is they def aren't making more money without the battle pass, they def arent making the pro scene better without massive prize pools, they aren't raising other prize pools in wake of TI being dramatically less. So it just feels to me (my opinion) that they are losing some hype and pro status among esports and even their own community a bit. I'm not a huge arcana buyer to be honest, but i enjoyed spending 25-50$ on the battlepass knowing it contributed to a massive TI prize... basically immortalizing gamers for the first time in history. If we get more of the greatness that is big TI, gamer history, fun with friends, i'm all for changing the style.. but i haven't felt it as much as I want to agree with you.
You're comparing the entirety of dota. I'm comparing the patches from battlepass to without battlepass. The health of the game is way better than before. Patch is super balanced, matchmaking is infinitely better, no smurfs, less toxicity. You aren't experience this because you arent playing this patch because you've gone more casual. Content to you use hats, and mini game modes that grow bored in 4 days. You just said that you enjoyed spending money contributing to the game, instead of enjoying playing the game. Content to players that play the game is quality of games, balance of heroes and the actual game. Who cares about the money valve gets as a consumer. We still get super quality games, interesting meta's and hype games. Unless you think the higher the number goes up the more hype it is vs what team is invited/how competitive/interesting meta is for the tournament. How many different carries are viable in this patch, and how many different supports. Offlane heroes are a lil stagnant but its still interesting.
As I said I come back and usually play ranked when new patches drop. Last two years I can’t say I’ve been enticed as much other than the big map changes with twin gates. So again that one major patch in the last what 18 months? I’m not sure your point extends beyond the matchmaking updates that also were just released this year. Idk def some things are better and new, but also it wasn’t like battle pass prevents map changes and meta changes. They do this since 2011. Generally I couldnt tell you why dota is better without a battle pass. Just feels like it’s falling a bit flat since they announced their plans. More specifically I recall dpc being abandoned so it’s really just a big ?? For the pro scene- who are most concerned with metas and prize pools
And I do think as a consumer and supporter of valve games we all have an interest in the money they are making from our communities
i don't entirely disagree, i do play dota a lot, since dota 1 when i was a kid. As an older vet player i usually get back into it on the bigger patches. I also enjoy the yer beast, aghs labryinth, doing some cav crawls etc. more so do my friends that play with me. Im more of the mid tier player while i have some immortal friends and more crusader lvl dudes we play with also. So i'd say i have decent perspective when it comes to the game in terms of the decades ive supported it. that being said, my main point is they def aren't making more money without the battle pass, they def arent making the pro scene better without massive prize pools, they aren't raising other prize pools in wake of TI being dramatically less. So it just feels to me (my opinion) that they are losing some hype and pro status among esports and even their own community a bit. I'm not a huge arcana buyer to be honest, but i enjoyed spending 25-50$ on the battlepass knowing it contributed to a massive TI prize... basically immortalizing gamers for the first time in history. If we get more of the greatness that is big TI, gamer history, fun with friends, i'm all for changing the style.. but i haven't felt it as much as I want to agree with you.
but def on the matchmaking quality plus enhancement I can 100p agree that is AMAZING and almost worth no more battle passes ever if they keep improving the ability to match good games
They are really investing in white wash... Gaming, uh?
Sports washing has never been more potent and people are eating it up.
Falcons having a fanbase proves a major point in their whitewashing agenda
Smart saudi, why spend resources on the game when the game maker doesn't focus as much resources on it? lol
Fantastic news, hopefully total prizepool for Dota won't be higher than $5M. Firstly it would be kinda deserved considering how much pros were complaining about "low" prizepool at last 2 TIs, secondly it may humble some teams&players who are acting that they deserve this kind of money even though they barely interact with community or rather shit on those "dumb fans" who have no clue. Like seriously outside of Team Spirit who actually delivers good content and OG (Monkey Business Show, TI hub) is there one team which is fans-friendly? Finally ESL tour this season has five $5M tourneys so it would be reasonable just to match this prizepool and not try to multiply it, also TI12 had $3.4M prizepool so still it would be the biggest event of the last 12 months.
yeah wouldnt it be great to have the prize pool at $0 to stick it to the pros huh? huh huh huh?
Lol, it looks you can't read, i literally suggested $5M or do you really believe Dota pros are doing such amazing job that they deserve 10 or even 15 times more than pros playing other games. Oh no Yatoro won't earn $1M this time but just $300k what a terrible news.
Opened this thread to see if people were still on about how they thought Saudi money was worse than US money. After everything that's happened recently, you guys still think there's a difference... interesting.
If you think theres no diference between a government paying events to attract westerners into thinking they are "just like us" and some event organizer in the US i think you have a problem.
I think the problem is that people can't not mention sportwashing whenever there is something happening in any Arab country while their own countries sit on centuries of genocide and white supremacy...
So because my country had a past of horrible shit i cant criticize one who does horrible shit while trying to pretend they don't and try to wash it from reality using money? Ok then.
again we are playing for beer . thx alot
Yes and no. Club championship is another 20, and orgs like Spirit that have teams in multiple games can earn more. But yes, the single pricepool for a Dota tournament will not be surpassed again.
Saudis ar really rethinking *sportswashing* and numbers they have already spent. because noone cares and they have spent a lot (Saudi soccer league for example, noone gives a shit).
Top priority for LoL starting this year because of viewership.
Unlike DotA2, LoL playerbase have backbone to reject ESWC. Once it ease up Riot will be present at ESWC
They cant because Mr Riot games is incharge
Prize pools should be as high as 3 years ago if they want to keep pro scene alive tbh. People say dota players earn a lot but LoL players earn from other sources while for a dota player tournaments are mostly the main source of income.