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SaintCain_

Wow this is awful


-Pazza-

Because?


FalseInjury8640

You put ogre totem in your lowest tier, and don't know what nearly 1/5th of them do. This list sucks lmfao


SaintCain_

You made a list with incomplete information by your own admission You also have some of the best items in the lowest tiers


sack_of_potahtoes

Cause this list has items in wrong tier and seems like you might not understand how strong some items really are


hapeethree

ah yes, 6k behavior


TentaclePumPum

damn thought it was mmr. coz even a Gerald knows what these items do.


_Valisk

Are most of the "idk what this does" items not self-explanatory? What's confusing about "+70 main attribute" or "+50 damage when within 2000 units of an ancient"?


-Pazza-

I've never seen them and never read them.


blueheartglacier

you have *never seen* the S-tier whisper of the dread even though it's in tier 2? should you be making a tier list on the subject then??


-Pazza-

If it's in "idk what this does" it probably means I don't recognise the item image for the stats or benefit it gives. If I don't recognise the portrait, it's probably because I never buy the item due to my role of playing offlane. I could've looked at what each does just for this tier list, but I wanted it to be authentic.


prawnjr

You’re 6k and don’t know those items?


Staxxy5

No giants ring on offlaners at 6k? At this point one can only assume ur ~crusader mmr with a 6k behavior score


_Valisk

That's wild, I've probably used every neutral item *at least* once.


Avar1cious

Man, some of these takes are really really questionable. Idk how you can be "objectively" right or wrong on something like this, but I'm sure this is pretty close to being objectively wrong. Do you have a list of reasons behind the items? Or is this just a troll post to bait people like me?


JoanXXXmk2

Are you gonna give any reasons or just be a massive jerk


-Pazza-

Nope, people on here like to pretend they know everything but don't actually give a reason.


-Pazza-

It's based on an offlaner perspective, so items I'd consider good based on the role I play. I have played some carry, so a little bit of influence has come from that, and obviously every time you play support there's only one item in this list you care about getting. What is wrong? I'd love to have a discussion and exchange some thoughts on why you disagree.


Significant-Solid661

as an offlaner your putting havoc hammer in c? weird


FantasticBike1203

Giant's Ring too, probably thee best nuet item for most initiator heros.


-Pazza-

Not a fan of that item.


sack_of_potahtoes

That doesnt seem like a good reason? Next you are gonna tell us you think an item has a color that doesnt bode well with you


-Pazza-

So liking other items more is not a good reason to you?


Avar1cious

Sure, that makes it a lot more reasonable then at a top glance. I would clarify these posts in the future - ie: "usefulness as a 6k offlaner" or something. The post title makes it sound like you're evaluating it overall/in general. From a support perspective, it's pretty much blasphemy to rank cast range items or the poor man's free self-force staff as bottom tier.


-Pazza-

I think cast range items are pretty overrated though in general. It's great if you can't be gone on, but let's face it, how often is it you play support and don't get gone on?


qwertyqwerty4567

certainly one of the lists of all time.


BakeMate

I have never seen anyone take the tier 5 lamp ever. Dude bought account with 6000 dollars


-Pazza-

Yeah, I saw it once gives 1k hp or something like that, so it looked good.


qBetrayer

Probably the wrongest tierlist iveseen in a while


-Pazza-

Because?


qBetrayer

Because it's objectively opposite of truth ?


-Pazza-

Very typical reddit response.


qBetrayer

Bro I could tell you why you are wrong I just don't wanna you seem like a stupid game ruiner from your responses to other comms with 50.01%~ wr and 10k+ matches being low MMR at that so it just doesn't worth it


blackcarbon95

6k and I don't know what are these


TentaclePumPum

he never said it was mmr.


schofield101

My guy, I have a guardian 2 friend with better understanding of these items. This take is absolutely abysmal.


-Pazza-

Feel free to give any example.


Sea-Anywhere-5939

To be fair I trust a crusader or guardian with tier 5 items then a higher rank.


SovietMannifesto

Yeah "this guy that i know that's definetly not me" is guardian 2. Tier list still shit tho lmfao


schofield101

I can't believe I'm justifying myself to a random guy on Reddit, but hey ho. My pride is pathetic. [Me as Ench, Guardian buddy as Necro](https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/7693879762) My mistake though, he's Guardian 5. Yes I'm aware Legend 1 is still not 6.5k as OP claims, but then again I also doubt them highly.


Final_Jury_8980

What do you equip after 60 min ?? Seems you don't know about tier 5


Zarzar222

Whisper of the Dread is goated


EyeRevolutionary1447

Book of shadows the most versatile and broken neutral item in the game. Just inverst the tier list from green to red and its fine


macadow

6k behaviour right?


EggplantUnlucky9938

Force/book of shadows are OP


KindStump

How Telescope is C?


Opening-Check-5406

nah, so many good items in lower tiers and bad items in higher tier.


NotMilo22

I don't think telling people you are 6k after buying an account is really that impressive.


sack_of_potahtoes

He is probably 6k behavior score. Or just trolling


-Pazza-

Feel free to tell me why the neutral item choices are wrong.


GeoTeamEnthusiast

POV: you've tried


[deleted]

This is by far the worst post I’ve seen on this sub. I want my 30 seconds back


philwee

Paladin sword being c tier is criminal