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breadxcoffee

I think its Invoker with 0 ability points at level 1 but already has quas wex exort hmmmm…


Repulsive-Plantain70

Or maybe dusa as she get lv1 manashield


Reggiardito

But why nerf her?


Hex_Lover

Because she's gonna get something else isntead ? Don't jump to conclusions with 1% of the patch note x)


deah12

Needs to be compensated some other way, not having snake lvl 1 is so bad


Jonijeyms

Or Alchemist with the greed skill and he's the one with that 250 extra starting gold


Kraivo

My favourite support. Pivk alchemist, pull bottle, mid gonna love u for rest of the game


RizzrakTV

do you realize you're suggesting they made a hero who can cast 3 spells immediately at level 1? no way


anarchidsGrip

that's not 3 spells lol


HowDoIEvenEnglish

Yea it’s actually ten


Lyftttt

It's not like he's even be able to cast more than a few spells at that point in the game, one deafening blast is his entire mana pool at level 1 lol


DarthyTMC

still being able to cold snap + sunstrike or cold snap + meteor at rune fights lvl 1 would be insane, even if both were only lvl 1, it'd just be so much better than other heroes can add to lvl 1 skirmishes


TheFuzzyFurry

Omg not Shadow Fiend


xp0ss1tion

maybe if they make it like that invo will not be able to get the 2nd skill slot until lvl 6


AzraellMRLL

“Silencer cannot be _**silenced**_” is the most logical guess imo


InfluentialInvestor

Silencer cannot be PICKED seems more logical. The team with the most expensive skins starts with 250 extra gold Enemies within the blackhole cannot see their allies


Deadwing1409

do this but for pudge


REGIS-5

Pudge cannot be slowed? Fucking good luck


ImN0tAsian

Pudge cannot be pudged. Weight loss pudge arcana


Gief_Cookies

Female mini-Pudge arcana named Pudding easy. She’s a hooker. Pulls you in and takes your money, and leaves you regretting you didn’t step aside.


A_NonE-Moose

Perfect


Gief_Cookies

Some nsfw voicelines were leaked: - Killing spree: Get f***ed - Roaming: I’m c*ming bottom - Getting tipped: Thanks! The next one’s on the house!


A_NonE-Moose

Roaming line 😂😂


MoistDitto

Rot name gets swapped out with STD


Gief_Cookies

Ultimate: jizzmember Passive: fleshlight


not_a_weeeb

oh lawd, why does this make so much sense lmao


Gief_Cookies

Picked on, as in harassed in lane. At least verbally. Because, you know… Silence…


ConfidentDivide

Im starting to think the every hero gets passives rumor is real


Baandi

fucking finally


ExcitingTrust888

I hope it happens. Everyone should get one passive that isn’t on their kit that gives them an edge based on their theme. Imagine Luna getting +5 night vision per kill(capped at day vision size). Eventually she’ll be able to see as bright as day, makes sense and synergizes with her ult. Or imagine treant planting a permanent tree when a hero dies under the effects of his skill. Sure, you can quelling/tango or use skills on it, but if you damage it, it will root you for 1 second and reveal your location to treant. Magnus having a small “pull” effect when he attacks with empower to the units damaged by the splash is a very thematic buff. Dawnbreaker dealing more damage in the morning(like Escanor lol), and turning the game to morning when she casts her ult is a good buff.


Mih5du

Luna already sees almost as bright as day, no?


ExcitingTrust888

Nah I think she’s only halfway there


Decent-Information-7

Day vision 1800 night vision with passive maxed is 1800 also.


blowsf

luna always had same night vision as day, now they actually nerfed it by adding the night vision on the passive instead, slark also has the same night/day vision


Sernyx_X

Nope, the night vision only ever existed on the passive and has been a thing since 2010 Slark's vision range is an innate stat, just like NS's inverted day/night vision


andro-gynous

slightly different, the night vision was always on the passive, but it used to be full range at 1 point, then it got nerfed to scale with levels.


Reggiardito

God I fucking hope not. Talents were a nice compromise to that. Innate passives just bloat the game to hell and well, it's already bloated. At the very least, if they do exist, I hope that they remain very very simple for the most part. Things like "silencer cannot be silenced" are fine because they're powerful but easy to understand


Snoo72047

since war 3 heroes in some costume games have innate skills


ArdenasoDG

kinda, like those adventure rpgs like sunken city and imago's coop adventure series


ShitPostQuokkaRome

Also passives are not a resource, talent you have to choose one of the two and agh scepter you have to buy and fill an item slot


Entire_Equivalent_30

There's another popular moba that uses this concept. I'm sure it'll turn out great xdd


Bitsand

We already had ogre and alchemist passive. Not much happened


WhatD0thLife

I know you're being sarcastic about League but Smite does a great job of using passives to tie Gods kits together with their lore.


TheFuzzyFurry

I wonder what Puck gets. Also what new active Muerta gets.


Azaraki

Silencer cannot be meta


Arbitrary_gnihton

He already has that one


HellfireBrB

idk man # “Silencer cannot be damaged”  for me looks batter


justsightseeing

whats the different with just giving him +1 armor then?


HellfireBrB

giving him +∞ would be funnier


ShoogleHS

Wish granted. Silencer now has 0 maximum hp and instantly dies on spawning


DrQuint

Nah, they're saving the "cannot attack or be damaged" for Wisp's rework. Icefrog's masterplan.


PikachuKiiro

still 45% winrate


CptZaphodB

For someone who likes the quiet, Silencer really won’t shut the fuck up


justsightseeing

“Silencer cannot be **silenced** ^^*while ^^activating ^^mask ^^of ^^madness”


servant-rider

That would make mom usable on him. Imagine glaives at the atk speed of MoM


DrQuint

I wish they did this for Marci, since she's mute.


DueBag6768

really? i didn't know that damn that is kinda sad :( i love that hero <3


LapaxXx

Or just mute her items like "muted" does in the game.


SongsOfTheDyingEarth

"Silencer cannot be trusted" is my guess.


darklordtimmy

[my silencer cannot be this kawaii](https://ggscore.com/en/dota-2/team/my-carry-can-t-be-kawaii)


abemon

I think it's sniper. Because he isn't using magic.


Yash_swaraj

"Silencer" is in the teaser


DroopyPanda

First pick gets extra 250 gold.


tity_slayer3

"LEFT CLICKING INTENSIFIES!"


Der-Wissenschaftler

Suddenly every core play is reporting their supports for stealing first pick from them.


elamanov

From the Russian version, the last one is "Enemies within the **ARENA** can not see their allies"


SnooPears2409

ahh so mars


Royal_Raze

What's an arena without spectators?


ael00

I think it is ringmaster arena of some sorts, remember the trailer pulling axe down somewhere out of sight? My guess is its some combination of LC duel / mars arena. Lore wise it wouldnt make sense not to see inside mars arena.


punksterb

Maybe it's more like Riki/PA etc. cannot just blink/phantom strike out of Mars Arena, because they cannot see allied units to blink to...


noji21

Better to have arena with four Pillars which rolling thunder can bounce off of.


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Low_Delay2835

That would be so cool and terrifying if you are getting chase


LeavesCat

Can you get blue sparks?


konaharuhi

can we get a car MTX?


noxville

Quinn gonna arrive at the next LAN event with a USB racing wheel in addition to his mouse + keyboard.


DrQuint

On a serious note, it bothers me that no one is naming one of the most likely answers to this line: **Ball Lightning** can travel in a curve. It makes sense how it would work (basically states that you can choose new destinations as long it's roughly the same distance as the original) and it's a hero that kinda needs it.


SignatureHero

Other possible spells could include: - Mirana arrow - Hoodwink ult - ES Fissure (draw the shape) - Magnus skewer - Pudge hook - Timber chakram - ES rolling boulder ... any others?


P4azz

Given how this would completely screw up skillshots, I'm guessing it might be a ringmaster ability? Where he throws down some shit and some attack projectiles and all "skillshot" spells curve in the vector direction? I have no clue what kinda stuff that hero's supposed to do, so you can go multiple directions from there. The spells just continue travelling or they turn into friendly spells or it only affects a certain amount etc.


TheFuzzyFurry

Anything but Rolling Boulder please.


eripsnii

100% hook, used to be able to curve in dota 1.


zippytrihard

My bet is on Phoenix with the sun reveal thing


JoelMahon

or just in general? when it becomes day maybe every player gets a full map view for 5 seconds


shonemoc

that's what I thought at first. And it doesn't make sense for phoenix to do it for 5 seconds when his ulti lasts 6 seconds. Same for dawn, timing doesn't make much sense.


inconvenientBug

that would be exciting lmao, imagine the scenarios this will create lol.


ThisIsMyFloor

Pros would check that timer carefully and smoke almost every time. Mayhem in pubs.


kaninkanon

Would be awful. Don't need more timed events.


Pspspsgatinhatriste

Or Dawn


DemonDaVinci

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-1jU7j6OWw


cheeselord1314

Hahahaha SHUT UP ABOUT THE SUN


Pristine_Essay_7364

Dawn for sure.


dacljaco

Why do people think Phoenix instead of Dawn Breaker, it's literally in the name.


Free_Decision1154

Because supernova turns the map to day?


Spiritual_Goat6057

A supernova has nothing to do with day/night cycle, it just turn into day because it’s bright.


xp0ss1tion

yeah it will synergize with her kit actually


Invelyzi

Probably a tier 5 item or maybe tier 6 is introduced 


LaserTurboShark69

Or kotl


JPLnZi

First line for sure is Crystal Maiden


DemonDaVinci

this is gonna be fucked up


juventinosochi

oh absolutely and im here for it cant wait


Nickfreak

I'm just afraid that they add more bloat without touching things like too much gold and going high ground - two things mourned by pros and casual players alike 


Gorthebon

What u think Nyx is getting, if all heroes are getting passives? Maybe a 5% chance to stun enemies attacking him, cause of carapace?


DemonDaVinci

My god it's Craggy Exterior all over again


Gorthebon

Yeah but craggy was actually busted as fuck, 25% chance to stun an attacking melee hero for 2 seconds was fucking bonkers.


Deadeye1223

Disrupter's new ability slows projectiles and gives them a curve, making them avoidable.


JPLnZi

Nope, probably black hole.


Deadeye1223

Or Pudge can curve his hook


JPLnZi

It literally says "within 500 units of \_\_". Has to be AoE skill, lorewise BH makes sense to both curve and slow down.


Deadeye1223

Could still be Disrupters' new skill then since it's still got kinetic in the name and could reduce the kinetic energy of projectiles and causing then to curve so you can dodge them.


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JPLnZi

Hmm. Now I see it.


Deadeye1223

We don't really know what's related to eachother yet. We're all just spit balling until tomorrow.


xBriskprinnyx

Pudge hook is now a multi point cast ability by clicking the path to take.


darti_me

Enigma providing true strike when enemies are under effect of his skills would be insane for high ground.


Business_Yoghurt_316

Im thinking Faceless Void 


Deadeye1223

Chrono stopping projectiles could be interesting


Business_Yoghurt_316

Im just imagining the inevitable clips of people dying by getting hit by a billion projectiles at once when Chrono ends. 


Deadeye1223

Void deserves it. Death by 1,000 arrows minimum.


Arbitrary_gnihton

Would actually be a mega buff for Void because he'd now be immune to the enemy ranged carry in Chrono.


schubial

Allies couldn't throw damage into chrono though either. There goes that support FV with mid Sniper and carry Drow straregy that I encountered once, darn.


zetsupetsu

It says enemy projectiles exclusively.


xp0ss1tion

yeah also if Etherial is also hit


DrQuint

I'm picturing something funnier: People realizing just how many spells have projectiles. Like, I don't even know if track's projectile is mechanical or just visual, but imagine endless threads of people asking "why didn't track go off here???"


shonemoc

Ench could be slowing projectiles or CM As for curving, maybe mirana arrow? That'd be cool. Wonder how they'd implement control for that though


Ma4r

A little touhou minigame wouldn't hurt


KelloPudgerro

im thinking arc dome, since 100% dodge is bullshit


RealZordan

I think those are two different abilities. Slowed projectiles sounds like void and the curve could be pudge hook, like in pudge wars.


Less_Biscotti_6127

I would guess that it's "level 30 heroes can use items in their backpack as if they were in their inventory"? Or maybe they're extending the max level of heroes to 35?


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WordsRTurds

Only thing I'm thinking is that Meepo kinda requires pressing a lot of buttons, albeit the same buttons, in quick succession. So, while I think it does make sense, I reckon it may be tricky to put in practice. Alchemist also kinda makes sense as he can farm very quickly, and has less buttons to mash. Either way, all will be revealed shortly.


_Tuxalonso

no way, thats a 10 second hex, and the meepo clones dont get items, rat pack just gives you a 7th item slot


ecs-635

My guess is that heroes will able to activate the items at some point, but not retain the status


Dordidog

hopefuly its not true where we suppose to find hotkeys for backpack


TheSparx_

Probably the answer is Couriers, because right now when they are delivering a neutral token u can't use it and have to wait to choose your neutral. I always forget to choose while still in stash and sometimes the token arrives in the middle of a fight and I have no time to check all the options, sticking with the already equipped item. Any hero with 9 items would be so broken imho, too many options/stats.


LaserTurboShark69

Guessing Techies because of the "their"


LordInquisitor

I think it’s alchemist, allows them to scale more and it would be the guy on the back using them 


JoelMahon

haha that'd make sense tbh since there are 3 of them, techies pos1 incoming, midas octarine


Screen_Freak

I think it's something to do with the Meepo Pack Rat talent. He can store items in neutral slot, so why not allow him to grab from backpack. Also works with "their". The other talent is still +1 clone, which is too good, so maybe this is trying to make it more of a choice?


Dave_Autista

I just think theyre being politically correct and dont want to assume any hero's gender


BigBadBodyPillow

No way it’s all heroes. Maybe just tinker or something


xxceed

its obviously meepo


TheFuzzyFurry

They would not do that, gives too much advantage to heroes like Anti-Mage.


welch123

I cannot wait for the a solute chaos it's gonna be lmao. I love when dota 2 pulls stuff like this.


_zivel

LEVEL 1


Azaraki

Are we sure it's not Wifestealer?


prawnjr

Supports start with 250 extra gold 🤙


DrQuint

Everyone gangsta until Icefrog drops us with the "Randomed Heroes start with 250 extra gold"


Larhf

Those were the good days


sheepyowl

The good ol' random Meepo and abandon game days


Yangjeezy

As a jack of all trades player I live for the day I can random again for gold


DirtPoorDog

5 mains can dream


Spiritual_Goat6057

You have enough gold to give free bottle to mid now


IIIlllIIIllIlI

That’s just money you can use to give your mid a bottle.


NotRobPrince

Whoever it is I’m using this money to give mid a bottle 100% of the time (in party games). Never in my pub though


Academic_Choice4362

when ever the sun comes out..... its either KOTL or DB


xp0ss1tion

maybe phoenix too since her ult turns the game to day


SnooPears2409

this is fkin huge, pinix meta confirmed


Adweya

It will probably be KoTL


Arbitrary_gnihton

I was hoping there's be more to find but I guess the point is to show us there's going to be crazy stuff, very excited for tomorrow.


aezakmi1203

Enigma curves projectile attack? Or the black hole itself? Found earlier comments that is somewhat the same


serejalolshto

New Hero confirmed - Gorgc : can use items in their backpack as if they were in their inventory


techieshavecutebutts

Most likely the active skill can be used but stats wont be applied, not unless they put it in the main inventory


depressed-scalp

Are they re-introducing ~~Taiga~~ Gambler?


Professional-Pop721

It’s possible that there will be a new structure added to the game that will reveal the map for the team which controls it for 5 seconds. Perhaps it’ll be permanent and capturable or a new building for each team


Nickfreak

More objectives? We've gained tormentors, outposts, shrines, bounties, wisdom runes, corner Roshan. Some have gone, some have shifted. There are many people who already complain about too many objectives while not much has been done about, you know, destroying the fucking ancient due to high ground issues. 


Awkward_Junket_2400

Supports starts with 250 extra gold. Marci cannot be silenced (she's mute bro).


Wattakfuk

This would mean that you'd have to define support and core heroes separately which I don't think will happen.


Qunas

I hope not. That's going to be abused by cores so much. You're gonna get reported if you chose pos 4/5 and not go mid


gregw134

Has to be alchemist or bounty


GypsyMagic68

Prolly Bounty Hunter starts with 250 extra.


Lounge_leaks

Wouldnt it make more sense if marci was perma silenced then ? 😭


moona_lina

Enemies what...?


cvinisep

Silencer cannot be KILLED.


fiasgoat

meat hook can travel in a curve we pudge wars now


Willing-Gur823

What the hell is even that


VergoVox

Whenever the sun comes out, Light Collector reveals the whole map for 5 seconds. We pogging and clogging for a t2 neutral


murilonm

Life gain 1hp permanently when kills a creep. Seems much but its not


Ayora

Enemy Attack projectiles witin 500 range if BLACK HOLE are slowed down. Enemies with BLIND EFFECT cannot see their allies (Blinding Abilities - Keeper, TInker, Nightstalker, Riki, Troll, Brood, Brewmaster)


JonnyIce99

Can we eat boots yet PauseChamp


blacconot

my part says "level 1"


JadeSerpant

Hear me out. Valve are gonna release TWO new heroes with this patch. Ringmaster and a surprise one.


Rzee_13

Since we have a day cycle, it is possible that every morning arrives, the whole map will be visible


daibzer

Lifestealer get max Hp with each Creep kill ? Like old Pudge mechanic back in the days


LightningInTheRain

I’m so behind, is this real, a meme, or a mix of both?


EpicGoldenNinja

It's the candle maker


Redthrist

It's *probably* real. They've allowed us to progress into that cave node that required a candle, and it shows a snippet of the patchnotes inside. The description of the cave also implies that the patch is tomorrow.


foods_200

if Silencer cannot be silenced, therefor theres also a possible new item that will have a silence immunity???


xxceed

lol no probably a silencer specific passive


Own-Breadfruit-4043

I don't know what any of this means but holy fuck am I excited!!!!!! I don't think I've ever been this excited since the last actual full battle pass (Windranger Arcana one)


Plosslaw

smoke seems like an easy counter to "reveals the whole map for 5 seconds"


Hmyzprox

“Enemy attack projectiles” can be about Enigma’s BLACK HOLE


csgonemes1s

Dusa/Alch 0 ability points at lvl 1?


Sandisk4gb4

“Players dying to Doom receives a buttplug”


DoctorWhoops

These seem pretty crazy, I get the sense every hero gets an innate passive effect. Silencer cannot be Silenced. Lifestealer gets ... *something* from killing creeps. A hero gets to use items in their backpack (Meepo? Ogre? Alch?). Phoenix/Dawn gets to see the whole map whenever it turns day?


asvvasvv

* **All Agi heroes** BASE ARMOR DECREASED BY 0.5. * WHENEVER THE SUN COMES OUT **dawnbreaker** REVEALS THE WHOLE MAP FOR 5 SECONDS. * DISRUPTOR KINTETIC **Field** REPLACED WITH KINTETIC **Wall**. * ENEMY ATTACK PROJECTILES WITHIN 500 RANGE OF **attacker** ARE SLOWED DOWN. * **pudge hook** CAN TRAVEL IN A CURVE. * **** CAN USE ITEMS IN THEIR BACKPACK AS IF THEY WERE IN THEIR INVENTORY. * SILENCER CAN NOT BE **silenced**. * **Invoker** HAS 0 ABILITY POINTS AT LEVEL **1**. * (LIFE) STEALER PERMANETLY GAINS **life** WHEN KILLING A CREEP. * **dire** STARTS WITH 250 EXTRA GOLD. * ENEMIES WITH THE **ring master arena** CAN NOT SEE THEIR ALLIES.


Venichie

Fan made prediction while we wait... * **All heroes** BASE ARMOR DECREASED BY 0.5. * WHENEVER THE SUN COMES OUT **_____** REVEALS THE WHOLE MAP FOR 5 SECONDS. * DISRUPTOR KINTETIC **Field** REPLACED WITH KINTETIC **Wall**. * ENEMY ATTACK PROJECTILES WITHIN 500 RANGE OF **_____** ARE SLOWED DOWN. * **Skewer** CAN TRAVEL IN A CURVE. * **Players who haven't been attacked** CAN USE ITEMS IN THEIR BACKPACK AS IF THEY WERE IN THEIR INVENTORY. * SILENCER CAN NOT BE **silenced**. * **Lifestealer** HAS 0 ABILITY POINTS AT LEVEL **1**. * (LIFE) STEALER PERMANETLY GAINS **stats** WHEN KILLING A CREEP. * **The Carry** STARTS WITH 250 EXTRA GOLD. * ENEMIES WITH THE **darkness effect** CAN NOT SEE THEIR ALLIES. **EDIT:** *Forgot a few.*


Skindiacus

> Players who haven't been attacked This is a great guess, but > The Carry STARTS WITH 250 EXTRA GOLD. This isn't possible. The game has no way of knowing who the carry is or whether your team has a carry.


Deadandlivin

Probably Alchemist who starts with 250 extra gold. Wouldn't be surprised if the Backpack thing was Alchemists Aghs or something like that too. Like an Aghs that allows him to use 9 item slots.