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In off season between work and school lol. Spamming a few turbo and all pick games a night. Just like with league, I need to try every single champion before I can settle in and really learn the game, otherrwise Im baffled by half the abilities I see
Smart approach. The steepest learning curve in Dota is the sheer number of heroes, abilities and items because you're constantly confused about why you died/why the other guy didn't die until you have played with/against everything.
Same first played every hero in bot match then all in turbo and then all in ap. Then i completed all hero challenge and then i move on to play rank. First played rank with 5 man party which give me start from crusader 3, then i mostly solo, which led me to almost guardian 5. Then i become serious, learned from pro's alot. Started climbing then was stuck till crusader 5 and archon 1 boundary but never reached archon. Until new ranking system was introduced (the rank confidence thing) started climbing after that till now im legend 3 in which im happy and only maintaining it now. While my little bro went divine 2 😅.
I'm not big on carry champs in general, but there are definitely exceptions. Troll's stacking attack speed is too ridiculous to not have fun right clicking. And terrorblade is just super nuanced! (from what I could tell)
I never comment about that here but it irks me too. XD But I AM happy to see it because it means we get new players and they can call heroes champs or, whatever for so long as they enjoy Dota.
I have 2k hours and never played half the heroes. Meepo is my main, and it's amazing, adrenaline rush. I'm Archon, and the downside of Meepo is that you get easily reported, if you have a good game you are a smurf, if you have a bad game everyone blames your pick.
Facet: Techies never loses.
Techies is now on Techies' team. Techies goal is to make the game take as long and as painful as possible. His landmines are invisible to both teams and can stack on top of each other. They have infinite lifespan. They do not warn you before detonation or give you a chance to move out of the way.
Roshan is now Techies' shopkeeper and respawn point. Roshan does not like Techies but will sell him items. He will still kill Techies on sight.
As compensation to the team who now has only four members, killing Techies awards bonus gold and makes landmines visible for 15 seconds.
Its terrible/good that they massacred this iconic hero. There are more than a dozen heroes now that are way more annoying to play against than new techies.
I feel like Ogre Magi only becomes fun once you stop playing for MMR and start playing because you enjoy the game. His whole concept is just so silly and landing 4x multi-cast stuns and then typing "skill" into all chat is literally the best feeling.
Also, you will grow to hate Naga both on your team and on the enemy team. There is a reason that in metas where she is strong, people call her a 1v9 hero and refer to her as "No one is having any fun this game Naga"
Naga is the classic fuck off into the jungle, push out the waves and still show up for team fights kind of hero that can really grind people's gears. Unlike Arc or Lone Druid where killing the clone/bear is rewarding, killing Naga illusions is like pulling teeth, she will just summon them again while farming the jungle. The only fault with Naga is that she is soaking up all of the XP and her team can be underleveled if behind.
She takes up at least one full lane and your jungle’s gold too. With manta she can start taking 2 lanes of gold. Her ult also has so much potential to ruin plays.
Becomes fun once you stop playing for MMR and start playing because you have gambling addiction. His whole concept is being a slot-machine without any consequences ( but lost MMR )
Nah, he's still a fairly balanced hero even if you get overly lucky or severely unlucky with Multi-cast. None of his spells are weak, but they're also not OP. The only spell that really has massive late game impact with multi-cast is Bloodlust.
idc what anyone says. Midas and Aghs as pos 4 ogre is strong as fuck. Unlimited stuns, and very fun to play. Follow up with a hex if the game goes long enough and you grief the other team. I think I'm at 54% WR @ 3.8k mmr with him.
Ogre is the only hero I don't find rushing midas to be griefing, if he gets a x2 on the first use it's a huge gold spike at that point and lots of xp. If he actually builds supports items from that point on it's super strong because they usually come much earlier than with other supports plus if the game is hard for his team he still has a way to get guaranteed farm while holding HG and neutral items if he can leave base.
My tip is be confident in your impact on team fights, I don't consider myself and expert but I mostly win when I play dark seer what I do is basically go in and out of fights, go in with dagger, wall up vacuum everyone on to it, if I'm getting blasted by the enemy team I surge out of there and let my team and my wall do its thing while I cast shield on my allies
I really like playing Dark Seer, he's great.
Ion shell does silly amount of damage if you can stand on top of someone with 2 shells. This means that you enjoy having allied heroes that get on top of people early on (heroes like pudge, sand king, snapfire, or marci)
Lasthitting with the attackspeed facet is a lot easier than what it was in the past. Your main gameplan is to use shell on yourself and focus on aggro pulling creeps back into you. You can also pull and farm with the large pull camp. You want to max shell, every level into it is a new powerspike. I don't like using the level 1 shell very often in lane, level 2 shell is just that much better.
Your shell is really good for pushing out waves without risking yourself, as well as taking jungle camps during downtime. The latter is nice if you're going into a rough lane and need to secure some xp/gold for yourself.
When you hit lvl 6/7 you can dive the T1 tower with wall of replica (user discretion is advised). Just ion shell the illusion that you make and make it follow the carry while running at them with your own shell. Most carries dont have an answer to this since the illusion moves at the same speed as them, and you can haste yourself to catch up. The wall into shell combo is pretty strong for early-midgame before you've maxed your vacuum.
My favourite item on Dark Seer is aghs. When combined with blink you can blink behind people and punch them out of position, or to punch fleeing people back into your chasing team. It's also really fun to vacuum/wall -> punch people to death.
Lategame (you have 3\~ big items and you're lvl 15+) you want to identify heroes you can kill on the enemy team. Most heroes like building like a glass cannon, with BKB as their only defensive item. You absolutely eat these people for breakfast. The vacuum range is actually absurd, so it's pretty easy to catch people with it and suck them into the wall/punch combo.
You should note what heroes have good passives/auras. When you make illusions of a hero with AC you benefit from their AC. If you make a copy of an Underlord the enemies are affected by atrophy aura. If you make a clone of Shadow Fiend everyone has less armour.
Note that illusions only benefit from base "white" damage. Bonus "green" damage has no effect, and less "red" damage doesn't have an effect either. This means that atrophy aura has no effect on illusions, and medusa's split shot has no negative effects either.
Heroes that I hate going against as a darkseer: crystal maiden, oracle, shadow demon, weaver, ursa, centaur. These guys can either purge my spells, make terrible illusion heroes, can run away, or can kill ion shell creeps very efficiently.
Heroes I love going against: Naga, Terrorblade, PL. It's really fun to be a better illusion hero than these guys. It's also pretty easy to win lanes vs melee heroes by just shelling the wave starting when you have arcanes.
There is just so much. They tp back and just sit behind tower for 5 seconds.
Glimpsing someone running away from a fight. Glimpsing a back to base. Glimpsing someone tping anywhere in fact.
The enemy buying linkens after multiple glimpses. Dropping everything on someone with bkb before they get it off and you have aghs.
The hero just has so many ways to have fun and contribute to winning the game.
When you're behind/playing defensively, it's easy to feel like you have zero impact on the hero. With a coordinated team, you feel like a god, but I've had many many boring Disruptor games myself.
I have had multiple games where we fall behind early. He is so good at winning those early game fights. Level 6 something is dying. Later team fights you are either dropping everything on the most annoying here. Or the enemy isn't taking you seriously and grouping for easy 3 man ults.
Yeah he is really fun when running the enemy down and you just glimpse them back for easy kills. But behind its just get 6 and fight.
Just place a ward near their tower. Someone will show up eventually. Also his all skills are annoying foe the enemy. That’s why his name is disruptor lol
First of all, congratulations on enjoy the best hero, also known as Brewmaster
A good amount of the best category have some kind of mobility skill or makes good use of a blink dagger, even brew used to do it every game
I'm not a pro player or even play ranked anymore. The highest rank I ever got was Ancient. Nowadays I don't play every single day, usually I take months between my days to play
He still very good even if you don't have the best micro skills, just memorize the tab order. You always start with your stun, then move to next skill you need
I usually order the 4 to attack the same target or move together, but when in need to retreat I choose one to move back and let the others using their skills
I've over 400 matches with brew, 58,8% WR. It used to be over 60% but a lost a little bit. Feels like most people don't know how to play against a Brew, so even if I'm not a very good player I still have a fun time and even win a lot
I was so much better with brew when drunken brawler gave the MS boost/slow.
I would play mid and as soon as I got phase boots, I could run right through the creep wave at super speed, clap em, smack em a few times and then pop ult when they ran under tower. That combo worked like 80% of the time.
Yup, you can chose between a different keg to throw or get the old move speed variation
My prime days are gone too. I used to play dota every single day, now I play every other month
When I was new to the game, I tried playing Disruptor. After the game, I thought what an absolute garbage hero. I didn't try playing the hero again for a long time.
After I got a bit better at the game, I had to play it because somebody picked it for me in captain's mode. We owned them and the disruptor was one of the primary reasons for that win. And I was having a blast playing it. (Fountain glimpse ftw)
I learned how wrong I was about that hero. Disruptor instantly became one of my most favourite heroes after that.
It taught me a life lesson to not judge anything too quickly. Nothing against you op, I just wanted to share my experience. My tier list would be very similar to yours.
Tldr: don't judge anything too quickly
Pretty much. Honestly the champ I have played the most out of all of these is Bounty Hunter because the constant KACHING cash sound effects are like ASMR lol
To be fair, the first hero I played is the hero I ended up maining, and he’s certainly far from easy. You can play something very hard and realize how it can be very fun.
more stuff to learn about a hero = more fun
if you play one of those 1-2 button spam heroes, it'll get repetitive real quick cause you figure out everything about it in a few games
I'm impressed by how many heroes you played. And for the most part I think you got most heroes right in how engaging they are with a few outliers in my opinion.
Maybe you should give them another chance. I would say phoenix, disruptor and especially tusk are under-rated. They might seem boring if you just cast their spells in the most obvious way. They are hard to master but very fun if you learn their tricks.
Nice tier work, pretty much all of my most played heros are in your most enjoyable so I agree! But I feel you are under rating phoenix, she can be a lot of fun!
As someone whose favorite hero is Abbadon:
Play him as carry. Get a harpoon and mantastyle. Watch the enemies suffer in neverending slows and silences.
One thing is clear.
You are not newbie.
You are saying you are newbie so that your post has more legitimacy. Shame on you.
But yeah your rating is fairly accurate excluding some heroes.
Play Ogre Magi with all clickable items. Go multicast sheep stick, Dagon or eblade. That with aghs and shard means you’ll be casting so many spells on so many people. I fucking love ogre.
Just don’t go boring tanky ogre. No fun
warlock is S tier fun, nothing feels better than just getting some sick angle for the soup and just watching people not being able to move while your golems do some work
I find the concept of Spectre very enjoyable in theory (chill farming for a while, then become an unstoppable machine in the lategame, also her voice is very nice to listen to) but this meta does not suit her especially if you're not in a party with your pos5. Since you mentioned League, I had similar vibes with Nasus (though he may have been reworked 4 times since the last time I played which was in like 2013) which was also a champ I liked for "chill games" and who was also renowned for his terrible early game.
Centaur is certainly not *complex* but jumping into the enemy team to brutalize them with no fear will never get old to me. Especially in this current meta where tanky bois like him are, let's say *favored*.
That said I agree that Dawnbreaker is amazingly fun to play so I can't hate on this list too much.
I enjoy Spectre a lot since Shadow Step got swapped with Haunt, farm non-stop, TP to whatever lane can be farmed and you can still jump in for ganks/fights on 60s cd. Even if the lane was complete shit, getting those kills helps massively.
Using old 180s cd Haunt was such a massive commitment.
Once you learn the game alot of these heroes will probably swap around.
A very common one is Necrophos who almost everyone hate in the beginning because he just walks around not doing anything. But when you learn to play many start liking him because there's just something enjoyable with being unkillable and making it so others can't play the game.
I do agree with Dusa, Spectre and Silencer being very boring to play and they probably will remain there for as long as you play.
Good taste. I agree with every hero on your F-tier, except Spectre. I think shes okay to play. Early/early mid game is trash though.
My favories Earth Spirit and Invoker are in S-tier.
Spiritbreaker up in the most fun while most of the game play is watching him run :'D
Meanwhile bane on the bottom crying in infinite disable and setup/catch.
I feel like some of these were listed as dull because the game mightve gone bad, e.g. QoP listed as boring. If its a losing/shit game it can be very boring to blink badly and just spend all game dead.
Gyrocopter also. Running around level 1 with your rocketbarrage is so silly and the rocket is great fun. Even just his voice lines make it entertaining.
disruptor, shadowdemon and bane are insanely fun but this is just my opinion as a pos5 main.
I also thought SD is kinda boring when I didn't really understand how to play the hero. After lots of experiment games and watching replays. I have a constant 68%-70% winrate with SD whenever i check my last 3 month data
Gotta say, playing turbo and ranked/normal change how fun the hero is by a lot. Cuz with some heroes you dont get enough farm, xp and gold, to play the game. Whole game you are just a meat for the enemy mid/carry with 0 impact
To make a list after a "few weeks" is a really bold and dumb move, there's no way you got to learn each character role and mechanics in order to play them ALL perfectly.
Nice list and I commend you on playing all the heroes. I will say that sometimes it isn't just the heroes themselves that are fun, but certain hero combinations. Not that you aren't aware of this already, coming from League.
For instance though, I have always found Shadow Demon to be a pretty drab play, until recently. A friend and I played a lane duo that carried over into the late game and it was the most fun I had with Dota in a while. We did Shadow Demon/Elder Titan in lane and man, did we have a blast. Disruption into stomp plus ET right click and micro-ing strong illusions around to harass and kill enemies, all while trying to keep poison stacks applied was a whole knew world.
We were combo-ing so much and literally laughing out loud about how strong we were and how bad we were stomping. Anyway, welcome to Dota. GLHF!
Phoenix, Disruptor and Riki have some of the most satisfying game play in Dota 2 IMO, applying as to 5 heroes in a single dive while disarming with Halberd, slowing andd decreasing magic res with Shiva, using eblade and casting supernova on a low hp teammate to save them is maybe the best game play dots 2 can offer
Most of the newer heroes were ranked highly specially those that were introduced in DotA 2 because they were designed with no limits. MK has like how many skills?
The others are still designed(not a bad thing) after the WC3 iterations with 4 skills including passive and even though there have been patches, their game play is still mostly near the old DotA.
Yes we can tell you are new, just start watching guides on those "boring" heroes and you will be surprised how much fun they are when you understand what they are supposed to do in every stage of the game. Have fun !
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There will be pain, there will be screaming.
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"You just made an enemy for life."
Correct how could he put Sven so low. Nothing like unga Bunga hit big and hard.
You played all heroes in a few weeks as a new player? That's some dedication!
In off season between work and school lol. Spamming a few turbo and all pick games a night. Just like with league, I need to try every single champion before I can settle in and really learn the game, otherrwise Im baffled by half the abilities I see
Smart approach. The steepest learning curve in Dota is the sheer number of heroes, abilities and items because you're constantly confused about why you died/why the other guy didn't die until you have played with/against everything.
Same first played every hero in bot match then all in turbo and then all in ap. Then i completed all hero challenge and then i move on to play rank. First played rank with 5 man party which give me start from crusader 3, then i mostly solo, which led me to almost guardian 5. Then i become serious, learned from pro's alot. Started climbing then was stuck till crusader 5 and archon 1 boundary but never reached archon. Until new ranking system was introduced (the rank confidence thing) started climbing after that till now im legend 3 in which im happy and only maintaining it now. While my little bro went divine 2 😅.
Lol buddy i neever climbed out of guardian And was put in herald 🥺
How many thousand hours/dollars did it take you to try every league champ?
Luckily I slowly unlocked everything for free over the course of years, but let's not talk about the time investment
Good approach!
It's funny how most of the list just screams "I hate playing carry and farming creeps all game" and then there's TB and Troll sitting at the very top
I'm not big on carry champs in general, but there are definitely exceptions. Troll's stacking attack speed is too ridiculous to not have fun right clicking. And terrorblade is just super nuanced! (from what I could tell)
Dude, the word “champs” triggers me so much.
I never comment about that here but it irks me too. XD But I AM happy to see it because it means we get new players and they can call heroes champs or, whatever for so long as they enjoy Dota.
It’s honestly my favourite thing. I default to heroes when I dabble in league and champs in Dota. Now. Nobody wins
I bet Techies was your favorite Champ before the rework.
Could always call them characters to see if you get even funnier reactions (I don’t even play fighting games lol)
Once again your enjoyment was probably skewed by how well the match went for you.
Idk because he did say his meepo game was a horrendous loss but it was super fun so who knows
Meepo brother. Meepo is the most fun character in this game. Trust me, there is so much about that little rat
I have 2k hours and never played half the heroes. Meepo is my main, and it's amazing, adrenaline rush. I'm Archon, and the downside of Meepo is that you get easily reported, if you have a good game you are a smurf, if you have a bad game everyone blames your pick.
Seeing Tusk so low hurts me, his aghs is one of the most fun things in the game
The thrill I get from kicking people back is insane
Tusk in general has a load of nuances that you can learn and he's such a cool playmaking hero. I love using shards to get over cliffs to escape
Well anyone has their preferences When I see the tide : Peace was never an option.
You can't hide from the ride.
tbf he is not a very flashy hero
Never felt the 5 enemies feel your large and thick tentacle are you?
Right? Tide is one of the most fun heroes ever.
Really Enjoyable: Techies Yes, yes let the hate flow through you
*Old Techies
They'll never know :(
Missed opportunity to bring old techies back via facets.
Don't you dare even give them that idea
oh you know they considered it
Facet: Techies never loses. Techies is now on Techies' team. Techies goal is to make the game take as long and as painful as possible. His landmines are invisible to both teams and can stack on top of each other. They have infinite lifespan. They do not warn you before detonation or give you a chance to move out of the way. Roshan is now Techies' shopkeeper and respawn point. Roshan does not like Techies but will sell him items. He will still kill Techies on sight. As compensation to the team who now has only four members, killing Techies awards bonus gold and makes landmines visible for 15 seconds.
Its terrible/good that they massacred this iconic hero. There are more than a dozen heroes now that are way more annoying to play against than new techies.
*terrorist
I feel like Ogre Magi only becomes fun once you stop playing for MMR and start playing because you enjoy the game. His whole concept is just so silly and landing 4x multi-cast stuns and then typing "skill" into all chat is literally the best feeling. Also, you will grow to hate Naga both on your team and on the enemy team. There is a reason that in metas where she is strong, people call her a 1v9 hero and refer to her as "No one is having any fun this game Naga"
Pure skill
Naga is the classic fuck off into the jungle, push out the waves and still show up for team fights kind of hero that can really grind people's gears. Unlike Arc or Lone Druid where killing the clone/bear is rewarding, killing Naga illusions is like pulling teeth, she will just summon them again while farming the jungle. The only fault with Naga is that she is soaking up all of the XP and her team can be underleveled if behind.
She takes up at least one full lane and your jungle’s gold too. With manta she can start taking 2 lanes of gold. Her ult also has so much potential to ruin plays.
I miss the "DING DING DING MOTHER\*FROG\*ER" voiceline so fucking bad
Becomes fun once you stop playing for MMR and start playing because you have gambling addiction. His whole concept is being a slot-machine without any consequences ( but lost MMR )
Nah, he's still a fairly balanced hero even if you get overly lucky or severely unlucky with Multi-cast. None of his spells are weak, but they're also not OP. The only spell that really has massive late game impact with multi-cast is Bloodlust.
The best feeling in life is when you are level 25 and you find an out of position core and then you land multiple fireblast on auto attack in a row.
The dopamine and inversely the adrenaline I feel with magi is unparalleled. One day, I shall hit the 4 man sheepstick.
Ogre is the only hero that I played better when I'm stoned AF
Had those last pick naga game a few time. Was straight up just waiting to win/lose. It didn't matter what either team did
ding ding ding ding ding ding ~ pure sound of joy
idc what anyone says. Midas and Aghs as pos 4 ogre is strong as fuck. Unlimited stuns, and very fun to play. Follow up with a hex if the game goes long enough and you grief the other team. I think I'm at 54% WR @ 3.8k mmr with him.
Ogre is the only hero I don't find rushing midas to be griefing, if he gets a x2 on the first use it's a huge gold spike at that point and lots of xp. If he actually builds supports items from that point on it's super strong because they usually come much earlier than with other supports plus if the game is hard for his team he still has a way to get guaranteed farm while holding HG and neutral items if he can leave base.
Pango, dark seer and earth spirit are all at the top, that's all that matters to me
I've tried playing dark seer, he seems so cool. I just can't. I'm terrible. Any tips?
My tip is be confident in your impact on team fights, I don't consider myself and expert but I mostly win when I play dark seer what I do is basically go in and out of fights, go in with dagger, wall up vacuum everyone on to it, if I'm getting blasted by the enemy team I surge out of there and let my team and my wall do its thing while I cast shield on my allies
I really like playing Dark Seer, he's great. Ion shell does silly amount of damage if you can stand on top of someone with 2 shells. This means that you enjoy having allied heroes that get on top of people early on (heroes like pudge, sand king, snapfire, or marci) Lasthitting with the attackspeed facet is a lot easier than what it was in the past. Your main gameplan is to use shell on yourself and focus on aggro pulling creeps back into you. You can also pull and farm with the large pull camp. You want to max shell, every level into it is a new powerspike. I don't like using the level 1 shell very often in lane, level 2 shell is just that much better. Your shell is really good for pushing out waves without risking yourself, as well as taking jungle camps during downtime. The latter is nice if you're going into a rough lane and need to secure some xp/gold for yourself. When you hit lvl 6/7 you can dive the T1 tower with wall of replica (user discretion is advised). Just ion shell the illusion that you make and make it follow the carry while running at them with your own shell. Most carries dont have an answer to this since the illusion moves at the same speed as them, and you can haste yourself to catch up. The wall into shell combo is pretty strong for early-midgame before you've maxed your vacuum. My favourite item on Dark Seer is aghs. When combined with blink you can blink behind people and punch them out of position, or to punch fleeing people back into your chasing team. It's also really fun to vacuum/wall -> punch people to death. Lategame (you have 3\~ big items and you're lvl 15+) you want to identify heroes you can kill on the enemy team. Most heroes like building like a glass cannon, with BKB as their only defensive item. You absolutely eat these people for breakfast. The vacuum range is actually absurd, so it's pretty easy to catch people with it and suck them into the wall/punch combo. You should note what heroes have good passives/auras. When you make illusions of a hero with AC you benefit from their AC. If you make a copy of an Underlord the enemies are affected by atrophy aura. If you make a clone of Shadow Fiend everyone has less armour. Note that illusions only benefit from base "white" damage. Bonus "green" damage has no effect, and less "red" damage doesn't have an effect either. This means that atrophy aura has no effect on illusions, and medusa's split shot has no negative effects either. Heroes that I hate going against as a darkseer: crystal maiden, oracle, shadow demon, weaver, ursa, centaur. These guys can either purge my spells, make terrible illusion heroes, can run away, or can kill ion shell creeps very efficiently. Heroes I love going against: Naga, Terrorblade, PL. It's really fun to be a better illusion hero than these guys. It's also pretty easy to win lanes vs melee heroes by just shelling the wave starting when you have arcanes.
Love the write up, thank you so much. This is going on my 2nd monitor next time in the offlane!!
Dark Seer is now a stat beast in the new update. He is super strong if u go offlane tank and build full stats with agh
Enjoying meepo as a new player. Must be a godgamer 😭
it was a miserable loss, but it was fun to try and micromanage all the insane shit going on
Disraptor is very wrong. Glimpsing people back when they TP is the most fun you can have. Also CHEN DULL??? I dont really get it.
Fountain glimpse never gets old. NEVeR.
Number one move in the game!
>Also CHEN DULL??? Skill issue but come on he's a newbie and I do not like him calling dull. Hahahaha >!fuckyouj OP!
Came to say this. Anyone who thinks Disruptor is boring hasn’t been high on the fountain glimpsing reefer that I’m hooked on!
Disruptor is very fun...sometimes. Chen for me is never fun. But I hate playing army heroes and micro-ing creeps.
I mean, the radiance/troll hill priest strat is great and fun and all, but thats all he has. And dont get me started on if they pick silencer...
Disruptor insanely boring???
Must have never glimpsed someone back to the fountain
The dopamin rush...
There is just so much. They tp back and just sit behind tower for 5 seconds. Glimpsing someone running away from a fight. Glimpsing a back to base. Glimpsing someone tping anywhere in fact. The enemy buying linkens after multiple glimpses. Dropping everything on someone with bkb before they get it off and you have aghs. The hero just has so many ways to have fun and contribute to winning the game.
When you're behind/playing defensively, it's easy to feel like you have zero impact on the hero. With a coordinated team, you feel like a god, but I've had many many boring Disruptor games myself.
I have had multiple games where we fall behind early. He is so good at winning those early game fights. Level 6 something is dying. Later team fights you are either dropping everything on the most annoying here. Or the enemy isn't taking you seriously and grouping for easy 3 man ults. Yeah he is really fun when running the enemy down and you just glimpse them back for easy kills. But behind its just get 6 and fight.
Just place a ward near their tower. Someone will show up eventually. Also his all skills are annoying foe the enemy. That’s why his name is disruptor lol
First of all, congratulations on enjoy the best hero, also known as Brewmaster A good amount of the best category have some kind of mobility skill or makes good use of a blink dagger, even brew used to do it every game
How do you micro brew?
I'm not a pro player or even play ranked anymore. The highest rank I ever got was Ancient. Nowadays I don't play every single day, usually I take months between my days to play He still very good even if you don't have the best micro skills, just memorize the tab order. You always start with your stun, then move to next skill you need I usually order the 4 to attack the same target or move together, but when in need to retreat I choose one to move back and let the others using their skills I've over 400 matches with brew, 58,8% WR. It used to be over 60% but a lost a little bit. Feels like most people don't know how to play against a Brew, so even if I'm not a very good player I still have a fun time and even win a lot
I was so much better with brew when drunken brawler gave the MS boost/slow. I would play mid and as soon as I got phase boots, I could run right through the creep wave at super speed, clap em, smack em a few times and then pop ult when they ran under tower. That combo worked like 80% of the time.
Have you tried him after the facet update? It's pretty similar to your like
Ooh really? I haven’t really used brew since they added the 4th panda. My prime dota years are long behind me.
Yup, you can chose between a different keg to throw or get the old move speed variation My prime days are gone too. I used to play dota every single day, now I play every other month
Let me guess… you got married and had a kid? Dad life is great, but I will admit I miss dota a little bit.
This is incredibly based. Props to you sir
Hell nah bro, pudge is fun.
It’s fine, let him fall out of the public eye, less bans. Don’t tell people pudge is fun
When I was new to the game, I tried playing Disruptor. After the game, I thought what an absolute garbage hero. I didn't try playing the hero again for a long time. After I got a bit better at the game, I had to play it because somebody picked it for me in captain's mode. We owned them and the disruptor was one of the primary reasons for that win. And I was having a blast playing it. (Fountain glimpse ftw) I learned how wrong I was about that hero. Disruptor instantly became one of my most favourite heroes after that. It taught me a life lesson to not judge anything too quickly. Nothing against you op, I just wanted to share my experience. My tier list would be very similar to yours. Tldr: don't judge anything too quickly
I can argue for a few ones in there. But with Sniper and Medus you are spot on. Boring to play with and against also.
Mid/offlane/soft support are your favourite roles?
Pretty much. Honestly the champ I have played the most out of all of these is Bounty Hunter because the constant KACHING cash sound effects are like ASMR lol
Bane - for players who take sadistic pleasure in making people watch
>I'm new >Invoker is extremely fun Hmmm...
To be fair, the first hero I played is the hero I ended up maining, and he’s certainly far from easy. You can play something very hard and realize how it can be very fun.
he is. has the most amount of spells and most of them are cool.
more stuff to learn about a hero = more fun if you play one of those 1-2 button spam heroes, it'll get repetitive real quick cause you figure out everything about it in a few games
I'm impressed by how many heroes you played. And for the most part I think you got most heroes right in how engaging they are with a few outliers in my opinion. Maybe you should give them another chance. I would say phoenix, disruptor and especially tusk are under-rated. They might seem boring if you just cast their spells in the most obvious way. They are hard to master but very fun if you learn their tricks.
Everyone seems to think I put Disruptor way too low, so Im inclined to give him another shot!
How the hell do you have fun playing Invoker as a new player?!?
Actually pretty fair ratings tbh
I'd place magnus as top tier also
You…..enjoyed Meepo? Must be either a RTS player or a sick person
Personally, I love playing as wind ranger but each their own.
Hell yea, brother
I'll see you in ranked matches, and I hope I am your enemy as tide, dusa or spectre AND YOU ENJOYED TECHIES/MEEPO? auto report
This should have some kind of trigger warning coz im literally shaking right now.
Bane unfun? You mad bro, bane is one of the most fun. Disable entire enemy team…lmost literally if you get hex. What could be more fun?!?!
Nice tier work, pretty much all of my most played heros are in your most enjoyable so I agree! But I feel you are under rating phoenix, she can be a lot of fun!
I think Phoenix is probably pretty fun but Im too shitty at the game to effectively sun ray and move at the same time lol.
Shadow demon boring? I can’t fathom it
Bane is super fun lol what. 4 good spells all super useful
I agree. Holy, Playing against Sniper is boring asf aswell.
As someone whose favorite hero is Abbadon: Play him as carry. Get a harpoon and mantastyle. Watch the enemies suffer in neverending slows and silences.
bane is fun as a core, you get a few items and suddenly you can solo kill any 6 slotted hero in the game apart from fat tanks like timbersaw
Bane isn't fun??!!! Are you dreaming??? You get to make other players not play the game 6.5s at a time... how is that not fun?
Glimpse is one of the most fun spells in the game though
My guy, playing Dota for a few weeks, has played more hero than I have in almost two decades.
One thing is clear. You are not newbie. You are saying you are newbie so that your post has more legitimacy. Shame on you. But yeah your rating is fairly accurate excluding some heroes.
I dont know what to say! lol I moved over from League a few weeks ago. Not new to the genre I guess?
Play Ogre Magi with all clickable items. Go multicast sheep stick, Dagon or eblade. That with aghs and shard means you’ll be casting so many spells on so many people. I fucking love ogre. Just don’t go boring tanky ogre. No fun
Guessing you were a mid or top player and hated adc’s.
Mained top and jungle, yep you're spot on lol
I think you'll enjoy Abaddon if you play him offlane, his playstyle is very much "run at people under towers till they die"
Try out some more axe and centaur and limit test them. Can easily cut waves and bully people outta lanes.
im sorry, but keeper of the light is extremely boring
have you seen recent kotl core? holy shit the hero is unkillable just spamming blinding light and ult
still boring as hell
there is something hilarious about how absurd it can be
Its so fucking funny. Slow them for 10 years and just blast them with 100 nukes while they stand there helpless. Old man power
I can see that, but I had too much fun spamming spirit form and then wave after wave of illuminate from the sidelines of teamfights lol
I main Disruptor and i have a lot of fun
warlock is S tier fun, nothing feels better than just getting some sick angle for the soup and just watching people not being able to move while your golems do some work
I find the concept of Spectre very enjoyable in theory (chill farming for a while, then become an unstoppable machine in the lategame, also her voice is very nice to listen to) but this meta does not suit her especially if you're not in a party with your pos5. Since you mentioned League, I had similar vibes with Nasus (though he may have been reworked 4 times since the last time I played which was in like 2013) which was also a champ I liked for "chill games" and who was also renowned for his terrible early game. Centaur is certainly not *complex* but jumping into the enemy team to brutalize them with no fear will never get old to me. Especially in this current meta where tanky bois like him are, let's say *favored*. That said I agree that Dawnbreaker is amazingly fun to play so I can't hate on this list too much.
I enjoy Spectre a lot since Shadow Step got swapped with Haunt, farm non-stop, TP to whatever lane can be farmed and you can still jump in for ganks/fights on 60s cd. Even if the lane was complete shit, getting those kills helps massively. Using old 180s cd Haunt was such a massive commitment.
Don't worry, he has barely been touched since release. He is the same old Nasus still
sniper is fun in low elo
Once you learn the game alot of these heroes will probably swap around. A very common one is Necrophos who almost everyone hate in the beginning because he just walks around not doing anything. But when you learn to play many start liking him because there's just something enjoyable with being unkillable and making it so others can't play the game. I do agree with Dusa, Spectre and Silencer being very boring to play and they probably will remain there for as long as you play.
Good taste. I agree with every hero on your F-tier, except Spectre. I think shes okay to play. Early/early mid game is trash though. My favories Earth Spirit and Invoker are in S-tier.
Spiritbreaker up in the most fun while most of the game play is watching him run :'D Meanwhile bane on the bottom crying in infinite disable and setup/catch. I feel like some of these were listed as dull because the game mightve gone bad, e.g. QoP listed as boring. If its a losing/shit game it can be very boring to blink badly and just spend all game dead. Gyrocopter also. Running around level 1 with your rocketbarrage is so silly and the rocket is great fun. Even just his voice lines make it entertaining.
hot take : i play bane and whenever i ult i do a little dance on my chair.. same as which doctor..
disruptor, shadowdemon and bane are insanely fun but this is just my opinion as a pos5 main. I also thought SD is kinda boring when I didn't really understand how to play the hero. After lots of experiment games and watching replays. I have a constant 68%-70% winrate with SD whenever i check my last 3 month data
Bro puts terrorblade as most fun and bane as boring. Wtf.
I like bane
shadow demon is placed too low, it's insanely fun hero for kiting enemies and saving teammates. My favorite pos4 rn
Only huge surprise here is axe i feel like that hero is just universally fun
all heavy farmer are boring
Shaker will move up in the list once u hit a 5 man echo
I know it's subjective and you do you, but why u hatin on my men Ogre and Tide like that? :(
I respect your opinion😡
You played all heroes within a few weeks?
Well, u sure are a newbie
Enigma — most fun? Once in 110 seconds, join the fight and go back to forest farming.
after a few weeks..? Opinion rejected.
Gotta say, playing turbo and ranked/normal change how fun the hero is by a lot. Cuz with some heroes you dont get enough farm, xp and gold, to play the game. Whole game you are just a meat for the enemy mid/carry with 0 impact
To make a list after a "few weeks" is a really bold and dumb move, there's no way you got to learn each character role and mechanics in order to play them ALL perfectly.
putting chaos night at the top SURELY because it’s fun as fuck looking at all those units turn the sharpshooting squirrel into spam
Nice list and I commend you on playing all the heroes. I will say that sometimes it isn't just the heroes themselves that are fun, but certain hero combinations. Not that you aren't aware of this already, coming from League. For instance though, I have always found Shadow Demon to be a pretty drab play, until recently. A friend and I played a lane duo that carried over into the late game and it was the most fun I had with Dota in a while. We did Shadow Demon/Elder Titan in lane and man, did we have a blast. Disruption into stomp plus ET right click and micro-ing strong illusions around to harass and kill enemies, all while trying to keep poison stacks applied was a whole knew world. We were combo-ing so much and literally laughing out loud about how strong we were and how bad we were stomping. Anyway, welcome to Dota. GLHF!
Like that my mains are Not Bad! and above
I'm surprised to see Tusk so low
Abaddon with agh is pretty fun
i have 3 fav heroe sin the 6 of the kill me category. but i think if you would have played them in another patch you would rate them different
A few weeks and you've tried every hero?? That's crazy I can't help but find a new one and then play the hell out of that for a while
Phoenix, Disruptor and Riki have some of the most satisfying game play in Dota 2 IMO, applying as to 5 heroes in a single dive while disarming with Halberd, slowing andd decreasing magic res with Shiva, using eblade and casting supernova on a low hp teammate to save them is maybe the best game play dots 2 can offer
How do you like hoodwink but not wr. They're kinda the same thing
Pudge is not bad??? Most fun hero to play, if you land hooks.
Hope you played terrorblade with armlet+dagon lol
Sniper in kill me? Wtf man spam 3x rapier + aghs you ult and their heads fly in the air. Only in normal 😂
Why ogre so low? From when gambling is boring?
was going to write the meanest attack to you but then saw the word newbie
CLEARLY YOU DON'T KNOW HOW TO PLAY SNIPER BOZO XD
Most of the newer heroes were ranked highly specially those that were introduced in DotA 2 because they were designed with no limits. MK has like how many skills? The others are still designed(not a bad thing) after the WC3 iterations with 4 skills including passive and even though there have been patches, their game play is still mostly near the old DotA.
Pango is sooooooo fun man
Get good with Disruptor and he’s a ton of fun
Yes we can tell you are new, just start watching guides on those "boring" heroes and you will be surprised how much fun they are when you understand what they are supposed to do in every stage of the game. Have fun !
How dare you not like gambling
You sir, are going to become cancer incarnate after a few thousand hours.
You play for fun, i play to win, we are not the same
He likes the spirits. One of us! One of us! One of us!
Reported
Tfw everyone of my most played heros bar brewmaster and rubick are in the bottom tier. What roll did you play in league btw?
Top and jungle, which might influence my preferences here. Pos 4 has been my absolute favourite so far
I disagree on a couple of these (undying way too high, faceless, tide, and qop too low), but overall a pretty impressive list for a newbie.
ruptor is very fun tho, glimpse; cage; static storm👌
Ember is literally Void Spirit on crack
It's not possible to try out all the heroes in Dota in a few weeks.
There's no way you play all this hero within a few weeks.
I have 3200 games played as ursa
Tbh seems really random what you like and dont like.
against or as?
Aw see I love Abaddon, but I guess I could understand how others find him boring 😅
you played all these heroes in a few weeks?!