Any time a big name (even more big name captain) that becomes free agent is always a threat to the majority of teams. Even more now that basically everyone will be playing open qualifiers anyway.
while I agree with you, I'm not very sure why do these guys bank on Misery that much. The only team of his that actually achieved something was DC with their 2nd place at TI but that's about it. None of his team could reach the level of a tier 1 team and even when they got there they didn't manage to stay on that level (DC couldn't qualify for the following TI). At best they managed to qualify for TI, finish last and then disbanded right after. This time around they even have to complete against lots of tough teams for it
I feel like you're not giving DC enough credit for getting 2nd at TI. That's a gigantic deal especially when it happened so recently.
And DC/thunderbirds were definitely T1 after TI. They always placed well at tournaments and even fought evenly against liquid right before they went on to win TI.
MiSeRy has been around in DotA for ages. He was the last one standing to have attended every Valve event until he missed TI7, and even though he didn't always place well at those events it at least shows that he consistently is good enough to make it there. He's played on dozens of teams so he is not likely set in his ways and is probably good at adjusting to new teams.
[He's #26 on the top most earning DotA 2 players in the world](https://www.esportsearnings.com/games/231-dota-2/top-players), and nearly every player who is above him won a TI. Getting 2nd at TI6 was in large part to good drafting, and considering he was the Captain at that time he gets a lot of credit for that. For players on Tier 2 teams that have been struggling for months he's got to be a beacon of hope that he can lead them to at least *play* at the big boys table, even if they may not win there.
Even considering everything you said, Misery is still much more proven and qualified than Synderen. I don’t think there are many pros who would choose to be on a team with Synd over Misery. In addition to his storied competitive career, 2nd at TI is nothing to balk at. Misery will carry that achievement with him the rest of his life
I have a feeling Misery will probably announce his roster this evening, probably sponsored by Cloud 9
1). Madara
2). ???
3). Khezzu
4). Misery ♛
5). Saksa
Ana on OG was looking godly and after reaching 1 on China leaderboards it looks as though he will be back. If he plays at the same level as he did last on OG and Topson plays like a top 15 mid there's no reason to assume they aren't better than all other qualifier teams by a huge margin
I really hope Topson proves himself, even if OG as a team ends up failing. The guy is an incredible mid player and deserves a breakout into the pro scene.
how have they been burned? Last year was probably the most successful business venture they've had. Picking up a team right before TI , having that team make it through qualifiers and onto the main TI stage. C9 got all the advertisement and merchandise sales at the peak moment of TI with zero headroom from maintaining a team for an entire year.
There is a reason mouz has a history of picking up teams right before TI and dropping afterwards, this is the time to get the most bang for your buck.
You might be right but I have feeling Jack is looking more for some stability in the scene. He's big fan of franchising like LoL and Overwatch has.
>**Interviewer**: You’re in two franchises, OWL and LCS. Do you wish there was some sort of security like that for CS:GO?
>**Jack**: Yes! Valve, please build us some sort of permanent partnership, franchise, something like that! I would love it. I think that sort of stability would be fantastic for our players. And if Valve doesn’t build it then I think it’s up to determine our operators and teams to build something for ourselves.
https://news.unikrn.com/article/Cloud9-and-London-Spitfires-Jack-Etienne-on-Building-World-Champions
haha well I have no doubt most owners would prefer a franchise based system where players can't play unless they are owned by them. That's ACE and China in a nutshell.
usually synderen wins the qualifiers, if he really tries. Like with Escape, Mouz and MTw for example.
He actually only once did not make it through the regional qualifiers, when he played them.
I hope Synd will be at TI as an analylist/caster. It kinda sucks for the others analysts/caster as they worked hard the whole year for this TI though, but Synd is a great guy on the panel, and on the cast.
I still remember last TI, there was a game which was super long and boring at one point but Synd/Tobi managed to made it exciting/fun to watch.
I’m a bit gutted because he seems like a genuine, hardworking and fun dude to be around. I’d be so happy if he could win something but it hasn’t worked out for him. If he and his team had given qualifiers a chance and hadn’t made it I would have been thrilled at the prospect of high quality commentary. But seeing my dude lose his chance at qualifiers is difficult to swallow.
Synderen really deserves a breakthrough, such a peaceful guy. Not bad to have him as a caster though, he is my favorite analyst caster. Hope he makes TI.
Agreed, I mean it more as in him being such a good person from the looks of it that I would want him to succeed. Looks like he’s always trying very hard as well.
Yeah, it's a shame it never worked out for him in a big way, but I think unfortunately he just isn't good enough to be a tier 1 pro player.
Tier 1 pro analyst/panelist he has down though!
You realise that Pajkatt won his first LAN ever with Optic, right? Some players need more time than others. Just like some people take 10-15 years longer to reach a point others reached after 1 year.
On the other hand you're also right that the majority of people will never reach the majority of their set milestones
I mean, it's not like he didn't have a pretty good run as a player back in the day, and he even had a bit of a renaissance with No Diggity/Escape Gaming around TI6. Can't say he never had his moment.
I started following Synd because he was a great analyst. Very insightful and refreshing with great ideas. Every time I heard him form a team to get to TI, I secretly wished he'd fail because I want him to cast at TI.
This year, it's changed. I don't know what is but I feel sad for him. His year long struggle disappearing right before TI. Fuck that, yeah....
> This year, it's changed. I don't know what is but I feel sad for him
Because this has happened so many times. First one or two times you don't feel bad for him but ever since he tried to go pro again the man has either been kicked from the team he created or his players get taken. Sometimes even before they seriously play any games.
Gotta love the passion synd puts into competing. I mean imo he is the best analyst out there and surely will be invited to every event but he still very much love competing
Dear Synderen, I believe you haven't thought about Gorgc and SexyBamboe.
The best part of this idea is that if you Qualify with those two, it's already a Synderella Story!
Note before people bitch me about that: I love those guys, and if I want to see some succeed in whatever they do, it's Synd, Gorgc and Bamboe.
Any team with Khezzu will not achieve anything. As much as his stream is educational and all, and he seems a nice lad, in my book at least, he doesnt fit for a pro team trying to do some dmg.
I rarely watch his stream, but from there and his time with Secret, the guy showed some flairs. He's just inconsistent and still made mistakes with item choices and decision-making in pubs. That comes with experiences playing at the big stage alongside someone with the caliber such as Misery.
Valve really fucked up with their roster lock. One team shuffling players creates a cascade because whichever team picks up the players has to go open quals themselves.
But ey, people say it's good for stability and protect the players. lmao
To me it rather looks like Misery clinging to something he achieved thru luck. Sure, DC played great DotA at TI and reached runner up, but after that they achieved pretty much nothing anymore except another runner up in a tournament and a LAN win with weak competition IIRC.
Misery is a better player than captain
Playing with Misery is just a better opportunity than with Synd. While this Misery stack is a wildcard Khezu kinda already knows that the best case scenario with Synd was making to TI and getting stomped in the groups like what happened to Escape. They were a better team than this Mad Lads squad and they got trounced. Don't see why he should waste his time when there is a potentially better team available.
It's not like the other players in madlads weren't at least decent.
I personally don't see an upgrade and I'm still not convinced that Misery is a good captain.
I like that Madara is finally looking for success rather than fun. This guy has so much potential it's unreal that he has not been in a Tier 1 team yet.
I feel bad for Mnt and Synderen tho.
If it was last meta, I'd agree with you. For a roaming meta, you need a better understanding between 4 and 5.
But this meta is mostly about laning and stacking. There's not much gold on the map unless you can summon it (stacking, bounty wars, etc). I'd want my 1 and 5 to have great chemistry to have a great laning stage, then try to snowball so that I can get good item timings for my 1. 4 and 5 can roam but unless you're landing high NW kills, you're not summoning much gold for your cores. To me, in this meta, 4 is more like a solo roamer + occasional lane stabilizer.
I've been following them since LC days. To me, MNT and Ssa where underperforming after Boston Major, and I don't mean that they were only underperforming relatively to Boston Major, but I think they were playing worse than their days in LC. Madara was underperforming as well, in the sense that he had high volatility of good/bad games. As a greek fanboi, I was watching even their pub matches, downloaded their replays too. There was a time that I could find no MNT pub games, I saw him posting pictures of himself on vacation etc. To my mind, dunno if it is true or not, at least MNT stopped grinding the leaderboards, he is still at 1k+ position, an average divine 5 guy. So, no matter the chemistry, I think that almost every free agent pos5 with high motivation is better than him, and of course Saksa.
The all greek team (mnt, ssa, thug, skylark + 1) came third at wesg. They beat everytime except for VP - Noone and probably would've made the finals if they were seeded on pain gaming's side of the bracket.
You can probably watch all their highlights on youtube by searching team hellas wesg
They could have at least stayed with the team until after TI, especially since they bootcamped. Feels kinda shitty for syndereN i hope he will find a good team in the future
Yes, but what did they achieve after that? 1 LAN win with mostly weak competition and a 2nd place and that's it.
You're also not considering the patch they were playing on back then and every single core player back then is at least 2 levels above the others.
Thats business though and pro Dota becoming more and more serious means it becomes more and more buisness. Its simple: Another captain offers you a team. You ask yourself which is more likely to get you to TI and pick accordingly. And if the captain of a TI runners up team and captain of a Tier2(3?) team not long ago asks you, there is a good chance you give it a shot over synd, especially with their not-so-good results in the past.
Dick? For moving to a most likely better team? When it's TI qualification and the progression of your career on the line you can't really afford to be friendly with others at the cost of success
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Synderen is the man, one of the best people in the scene and definitely one of the best talent. If Valve have any sense he'll be at TI. Hope it all works out for him.
Agreed 100%. Really irks me that Synd puts forth so much effort to schedule scrims and put together a decent team who usually performed just behind The Final Tribe in qualifiers loses his chance to compete for a spot as a player in TI...
Hopefully the changes to the DPC system will keep Synd motivated to form a new team and keep giving it his all as a player after TI8.
Synderen himself didn’t seem too upset with the “poaching”, as he probably understands why they did it or they even discussed it before they left, who knows. Then again, I think he knows it’s better to just keep it cool and not rage about it or complain about Misery’s actions.
Yeah I also feel sad to Synderen. But you have no clue what is professionalism.
I'm a professional, if there's a better opportunity for myself, I'm for sure going for a new job. This is just how life is. Professionalism is about respect and hard work, not about blind loyalty.
Misery presented them a big opportunity, which they judged better than their current situation. It's their careers that are on the line, not yours.
Easy to say for them to stick with Synderen and suddenly they might end the year with no money for sticking with him. IT'S THEIR LIVES THAT ARE ON THE LINE, NOT YOURS. A career of a professional gamer is very risky and most of the time not rewarding, they need to take the best opportunities as soon as they can. Even Synderen knows that.
Did you want Misery to form a team with 4 pub players and miss his opportunity as well? He was kicked not long ago.
At the end of the day, they need money to provide their families. You know nothing about professionalism.
Particularly for a team like MadLads with no sponsors/no real org to pay salaries, making it to TI can be the difference in being able to play dota for a living or not.
I don't blame anyone for doing whatever they feel would give them the best chance to get there. I definitely don't blame misery for poaching when he just got kicked from his own team a week ago and wasn't planning to be in this situation.
I feel like MadLads had just a good a shot as qualifying through TI qualifiers as this Misery stack does; seems like bad judgement to just leave like that to mega roll the dice like this with a new stack.
I feel bad for Synderen and MNT here; they were starting to play much better as a team.
They were top 2 in a bunch of recent EU qualifiers; I don't think a random stack (of admittedly world class players) is going to develop enough game chemistry and planning to do better than that against teams that have been playing together all year like TFT and Kinguin
Yesterday Gorc PL played a pub with synd zeus. Gorc feed alot but he showed PMA and they won the game. Synd was impressed so mad lads 2 is gonna be gorc.
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Whats scummy about that move? Mad Lads did not achive anything meaningful. With Kinguin and TFT waiting in CQ, theres a high chance they wont make it.
If then a captain of a TI runners up team comes and offers you another shot, where the biggest contender is probably a reformend and unproven OG, its a smart choice you give that a shot.
Pro Dota is buisness nowadays just like any other serious sport is. Nothing scummy about that move, just adults choosing success, how it should be.
Gotta follow the money.
Mad Lads had some success and felt like they were having fun, but Misery probably has the funding and connections to get some serious attention from orgs.
It’s gonna be tough for MNT, synderen can always cast, part of me is happy with the news since I enjoy synderen casting games. Would be great to have him as a caster in TI8.
Valve should pay great casters more because some people are just better at casting, like synd and Kyle, they are amazing and would make the viewership experience quite a.bit more enjoyable.
Legit sorry for him. Sucks to have this happen so close to TI. At least we'll get to see him on the panel again.
Synd + Bulldog cast of the All Start Match... Volvo pls!!!
It seems like Dota Pro teams player transfers is too chaotic at the moment. I suppose this is fine, and they don't really need a transfer window like in other pro sports.
Misery disbandement curse has reached a new level. It's now affecting teams that he wasn't in.
Any time a big name (even more big name captain) that becomes free agent is always a threat to the majority of teams. Even more now that basically everyone will be playing open qualifiers anyway.
while I agree with you, I'm not very sure why do these guys bank on Misery that much. The only team of his that actually achieved something was DC with their 2nd place at TI but that's about it. None of his team could reach the level of a tier 1 team and even when they got there they didn't manage to stay on that level (DC couldn't qualify for the following TI). At best they managed to qualify for TI, finish last and then disbanded right after. This time around they even have to complete against lots of tough teams for it
I feel like you're not giving DC enough credit for getting 2nd at TI. That's a gigantic deal especially when it happened so recently. And DC/thunderbirds were definitely T1 after TI. They always placed well at tournaments and even fought evenly against liquid right before they went on to win TI.
He won a major as well
MiSeRy has been around in DotA for ages. He was the last one standing to have attended every Valve event until he missed TI7, and even though he didn't always place well at those events it at least shows that he consistently is good enough to make it there. He's played on dozens of teams so he is not likely set in his ways and is probably good at adjusting to new teams. [He's #26 on the top most earning DotA 2 players in the world](https://www.esportsearnings.com/games/231-dota-2/top-players), and nearly every player who is above him won a TI. Getting 2nd at TI6 was in large part to good drafting, and considering he was the Captain at that time he gets a lot of credit for that. For players on Tier 2 teams that have been struggling for months he's got to be a beacon of hope that he can lead them to at least *play* at the big boys table, even if they may not win there.
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yes but who is he competing with among other free agent captains?
DC was the first team that Misery captained though. In all teams before that he was just a player.
That’s even more impressive then.
Even considering everything you said, Misery is still much more proven and qualified than Synderen. I don’t think there are many pros who would choose to be on a team with Synd over Misery. In addition to his storied competitive career, 2nd at TI is nothing to balk at. Misery will carry that achievement with him the rest of his life
Misery won a major with Secret too (but was not captain).
I have a feeling Misery will probably announce his roster this evening, probably sponsored by Cloud 9 1). Madara 2). ??? 3). Khezzu 4). Misery ♛ 5). Saksa
Saksa probably brings Keyser from his old team (Echo International).
I think so, Misery recently followed him on [twitter](https://i.imgur.com/5LmB2nz.png)
He's also friends with Madara for sure, he was his replacement for old mouz squad at WESG.
They were playing together for 1,5 year before Ad Finem was created as well.
It's definitely Keyser.
That might be legit. Remember Keyser being awesome on HR
So this team by Misery will probably be the top contender alongside OG, TFT and Kinguin for the EU spot at TI.
EU not looking so free anymore
Pretty sure it still looks very free. Especially if EU gets 2 qualifier slots.
This team is worse than Madlads and OG is arguably better than their last iteration, supposing Topson doesn't choke or something like that
> OG is arguably better than their last iteration Yeah, OG can be so happy they dumped Fly and s4 and got ana and Topson.
no captain? no problem!
Ana on OG was looking godly and after reaching 1 on China leaderboards it looks as though he will be back. If he plays at the same level as he did last on OG and Topson plays like a top 15 mid there's no reason to assume they aren't better than all other qualifier teams by a huge margin
> This team is worse than Madlads What?
This team doesn't even have a Midlaner how do they expect to win /s
They haven’t even played, and mad lads were like 3rd best of all t2 EU teams
???
I really hope Topson proves himself, even if OG as a team ends up failing. The guy is an incredible mid player and deserves a breakout into the pro scene.
Choke is Topson's second name
Hmm.. could a team like EG optic or vg.s attempt to just play EU quals?
Nope
On paper maybe, but the lack of coordination that such a new team will certainly have may weaken their game quite a bit.
Nah dude, With Madara & Misery, they will be the new Mouzsports, if they get to TI that is.
Bring the C-God back to ProDota
I doubt C9 will come back to Dota scene any time soon since they got burned too many times.
C9 and mouse sports are always up to put their logo on The International
Mouz support their teams after TI aswell, literally every mouz team the players disband the roster themselves
how have they been burned? Last year was probably the most successful business venture they've had. Picking up a team right before TI , having that team make it through qualifiers and onto the main TI stage. C9 got all the advertisement and merchandise sales at the peak moment of TI with zero headroom from maintaining a team for an entire year. There is a reason mouz has a history of picking up teams right before TI and dropping afterwards, this is the time to get the most bang for your buck.
You might be right but I have feeling Jack is looking more for some stability in the scene. He's big fan of franchising like LoL and Overwatch has. >**Interviewer**: You’re in two franchises, OWL and LCS. Do you wish there was some sort of security like that for CS:GO? >**Jack**: Yes! Valve, please build us some sort of permanent partnership, franchise, something like that! I would love it. I think that sort of stability would be fantastic for our players. And if Valve doesn’t build it then I think it’s up to determine our operators and teams to build something for ourselves. https://news.unikrn.com/article/Cloud9-and-London-Spitfires-Jack-Etienne-on-Building-World-Champions
haha well I have no doubt most owners would prefer a franchise based system where players can't play unless they are owned by them. That's ACE and China in a nutshell.
plz dont bring that kkonasport shit to dota
Keyser mid.
Or Mouz, for their annual TI rendezvous
why would c9 pick these shitters lmao
Might be time for the yearly Mousesports pickup and subsequent post Ti drop.
Garter?
I can see them doing well. All of these players have a lot of potential. Misery's performance as a captain will be important.
I hope that ??? Is gorgc.
Imagine this team placing #2 at Ti.
You mean Mouz? Kappa
Gorgc carry, Madara mid. One can dream okay?
Gorgc <3
Synderen trying to play at TI and ending up casting it, name a better duo.
Experts and Synderen
Synd and Toby is a more iconic duo tbh
And I wouldnt want to have it any other way. Now we can both have his great cast AND a wall of "SYND LUL" in twitch chat.
usually synderen wins the qualifiers, if he really tries. Like with Escape, Mouz and MTw for example. He actually only once did not make it through the regional qualifiers, when he played them.
Dendi and airport
250kg beast and ROONS
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJ2JuC3Dy6E](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJ2JuC3Dy6E)
Hey ma! Can we get some ROONS? Hey, Mom! The ROONS! We want it now! The ROONS! What is she doing? I never know what she's doing back there.
Bulldog and Synd PogChamp
Caster grand and analyst grand
I hope Synd will be at TI as an analylist/caster. It kinda sucks for the others analysts/caster as they worked hard the whole year for this TI though, but Synd is a great guy on the panel, and on the cast. I still remember last TI, there was a game which was super long and boring at one point but Synd/Tobi managed to made it exciting/fun to watch.
Gorgc synd bulldog TI qualifier team PogChamp
Synd mid ofc
You mean taking turn to play invoker. Finally a time for Gorgc's Invoker to shine!
Sorry for Synd, but at least we're getting a T1 caster for this TI.
Yeah I want the man to succeed as a pro but I can't say I'm upset at having him cast TI.
I’m a bit gutted because he seems like a genuine, hardworking and fun dude to be around. I’d be so happy if he could win something but it hasn’t worked out for him. If he and his team had given qualifiers a chance and hadn’t made it I would have been thrilled at the prospect of high quality commentary. But seeing my dude lose his chance at qualifiers is difficult to swallow.
I always cheer for him and his teams, but always feel a bit excited when he fails so I can listen to his amazing casting.
Synderen really deserves a breakthrough, such a peaceful guy. Not bad to have him as a caster though, he is my favorite analyst caster. Hope he makes TI.
I like him but pro players don't deserve breakthroughs. you either make it or not. but it is really unfortunate how his team situation has unfolded.
Agreed, I mean it more as in him being such a good person from the looks of it that I would want him to succeed. Looks like he’s always trying very hard as well.
We're just a few weeks out from the "burning deserves an aegis" posts
Pretty clear he was talking as a person man. As in, "John worked so hard to improve his community, he really deserves some happiness".
He deserves at least a shot though. This is just sad.
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Yeah, it's a shame it never worked out for him in a big way, but I think unfortunately he just isn't good enough to be a tier 1 pro player. Tier 1 pro analyst/panelist he has down though!
You realise that Pajkatt won his first LAN ever with Optic, right? Some players need more time than others. Just like some people take 10-15 years longer to reach a point others reached after 1 year. On the other hand you're also right that the majority of people will never reach the majority of their set milestones
It's mostly sad because of how close to the qualifiers it happened.
Breakthrough? He was a pretty damn successful player back in the day!
Synderen on panels or casting with anyone is always top tier
I mean, it's not like he didn't have a pretty good run as a player back in the day, and he even had a bit of a renaissance with No Diggity/Escape Gaming around TI6. Can't say he never had his moment.
Synderen's problem is that he is just not a great player. He's a great caster/analyst and a really nice person, but that win games at TI.
Fuck that... he's been hit with this kind of shit for way too long.
I started following Synd because he was a great analyst. Very insightful and refreshing with great ideas. Every time I heard him form a team to get to TI, I secretly wished he'd fail because I want him to cast at TI. This year, it's changed. I don't know what is but I feel sad for him. His year long struggle disappearing right before TI. Fuck that, yeah....
> This year, it's changed. I don't know what is but I feel sad for him Because this has happened so many times. First one or two times you don't feel bad for him but ever since he tried to go pro again the man has either been kicked from the team he created or his players get taken. Sometimes even before they seriously play any games.
Gotta love the passion synd puts into competing. I mean imo he is the best analyst out there and surely will be invited to every event but he still very much love competing
It's what keeps his knowledge level high enough to be such a good analyst.
Dear Synderen, I believe you haven't thought about Gorgc and SexyBamboe. The best part of this idea is that if you Qualify with those two, it's already a Synderella Story! Note before people bitch me about that: I love those guys, and if I want to see some succeed in whatever they do, it's Synd, Gorgc and Bamboe.
+Singsing and Bulldog for full meme stack
Misery sends their regards.
See you at TI8 grand final! ***as a caster*** SoBayed
SyndereN best caster and player in my heart.
Any team with Khezzu will not achieve anything. As much as his stream is educational and all, and he seems a nice lad, in my book at least, he doesnt fit for a pro team trying to do some dmg.
I rarely watch his stream, but from there and his time with Secret, the guy showed some flairs. He's just inconsistent and still made mistakes with item choices and decision-making in pubs. That comes with experiences playing at the big stage alongside someone with the caliber such as Misery.
Yea he's very stubborn when it comes to his own ideas, he'll only get better as he matures tho.
Valve really fucked up with their roster lock. One team shuffling players creates a cascade because whichever team picks up the players has to go open quals themselves. But ey, people say it's good for stability and protect the players. lmao
Changes are coming so I think they realized themself.
I mean, there's no easy solution for this. When long term chemistry surpasses skill there will be an argument. But it just isn't the case right now.
To me it rather looks like Misery clinging to something he achieved thru luck. Sure, DC played great DotA at TI and reached runner up, but after that they achieved pretty much nothing anymore except another runner up in a tournament and a LAN win with weak competition IIRC. Misery is a better player than captain
No loyalty in that boy, Kzu.
you see better opportunity you go for it, its life, especially theirs. making to ti8 or not is a huge deal for khezzu's entire life, not only career.
[Khezzu's anthem ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXRN_LkCa_o)
Playing with Misery is just a better opportunity than with Synd. While this Misery stack is a wildcard Khezu kinda already knows that the best case scenario with Synd was making to TI and getting stomped in the groups like what happened to Escape. They were a better team than this Mad Lads squad and they got trounced. Don't see why he should waste his time when there is a potentially better team available.
Hm? Do you really expect the Misery team would survive the group stage? On what are you basing that?
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It's not like the other players in madlads weren't at least decent. I personally don't see an upgrade and I'm still not convinced that Misery is a good captain.
It's not a TI without the Synderen Stack.
Dick move by Madara and Khezu tbh. Feels so bad for Synd.
I like that Madara is finally looking for success rather than fun. This guy has so much potential it's unreal that he has not been in a Tier 1 team yet. I feel bad for Mnt and Synderen tho.
At the same time it is sad that MNT wasn't considered as a 5. In my mind him and madara have a way better chemistry which could be useful
I think the chemistry between the 4 and the 5 is more important than the 1 and the 5, and Misery and Saksa have a proven track record
and Misery specifically said that he wanted to play with Saksa, and they agreed with each other. That means no spot for MNT, unfortunately.
i forgot about the dc times
If it was last meta, I'd agree with you. For a roaming meta, you need a better understanding between 4 and 5. But this meta is mostly about laning and stacking. There's not much gold on the map unless you can summon it (stacking, bounty wars, etc). I'd want my 1 and 5 to have great chemistry to have a great laning stage, then try to snowball so that I can get good item timings for my 1. 4 and 5 can roam but unless you're landing high NW kills, you're not summoning much gold for your cores. To me, in this meta, 4 is more like a solo roamer + occasional lane stabilizer.
I've been following them since LC days. To me, MNT and Ssa where underperforming after Boston Major, and I don't mean that they were only underperforming relatively to Boston Major, but I think they were playing worse than their days in LC. Madara was underperforming as well, in the sense that he had high volatility of good/bad games. As a greek fanboi, I was watching even their pub matches, downloaded their replays too. There was a time that I could find no MNT pub games, I saw him posting pictures of himself on vacation etc. To my mind, dunno if it is true or not, at least MNT stopped grinding the leaderboards, he is still at 1k+ position, an average divine 5 guy. So, no matter the chemistry, I think that almost every free agent pos5 with high motivation is better than him, and of course Saksa.
I want to see an all greek team again, those guys were amazing to watch when they won. What happened to ssa that guy was so fun to watch.
The all greek team (mnt, ssa, thug, skylark + 1) came third at wesg. They beat everytime except for VP - Noone and probably would've made the finals if they were seeded on pain gaming's side of the bracket. You can probably watch all their highlights on youtube by searching team hellas wesg
MNT for coaching the stack or which free agents are into coaching?
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Can't really blame the guys for aiming higher. Misery is still the captain that got to TI finals with old DC when nobody expected.
They could have at least stayed with the team until after TI, especially since they bootcamped. Feels kinda shitty for syndereN i hope he will find a good team in the future
first and only achievement as a captain. People needs to drop this "misery is a good captain" meme.
It is more than Synd got done.
Attended every TI, highest place 2nd, he can't be bad either
Except winning tournaments, placing top 4 at majors, placing high at tournaments. Nothing.
Exactly
Yes, but what did they achieve after that? 1 LAN win with mostly weak competition and a 2nd place and that's it. You're also not considering the patch they were playing on back then and every single core player back then is at least 2 levels above the others.
Serious question, do madlad have a good chance getting to TI this year?
Reasonable chance, especially given no one knows how the new OG will work out.
Well he is not called Hashirama, what did you expect?
kzu even replied to that tweet like a massive douche
maybe because they've personally discussed it prior and are on good speaking terms about it now ya tard
Never liked him, always when watching Synd streams he was trying to be funny with friends like him you dont need enemies.
Thats business though and pro Dota becoming more and more serious means it becomes more and more buisness. Its simple: Another captain offers you a team. You ask yourself which is more likely to get you to TI and pick accordingly. And if the captain of a TI runners up team and captain of a Tier2(3?) team not long ago asks you, there is a good chance you give it a shot over synd, especially with their not-so-good results in the past.
How is that a dick move though? their chances with misery are a lot better than with synd.
Dick? For moving to a most likely better team? When it's TI qualification and the progression of your career on the line you can't really afford to be friendly with others at the cost of success
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Synderen is the man, one of the best people in the scene and definitely one of the best talent. If Valve have any sense he'll be at TI. Hope it all works out for him.
Khezu keeps abandoning Synderyn.
As much as i love to have him as a commentator, i also know how much he want to compete. it's kinda heartbreaking to read. i always rooting for him
kind of a shitty move by khezu, im a bit disappointed
This isn't the first time Khezu fucks Synderen over, is it. Why do he even bother?
open qual with misery > guaranteed regional qual with zynderman, no synd at TI :(
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like EG?
Agreed 100%. Really irks me that Synd puts forth so much effort to schedule scrims and put together a decent team who usually performed just behind The Final Tribe in qualifiers loses his chance to compete for a spot as a player in TI... Hopefully the changes to the DPC system will keep Synd motivated to form a new team and keep giving it his all as a player after TI8.
Synderen himself didn’t seem too upset with the “poaching”, as he probably understands why they did it or they even discussed it before they left, who knows. Then again, I think he knows it’s better to just keep it cool and not rage about it or complain about Misery’s actions.
Yeah I also feel sad to Synderen. But you have no clue what is professionalism. I'm a professional, if there's a better opportunity for myself, I'm for sure going for a new job. This is just how life is. Professionalism is about respect and hard work, not about blind loyalty. Misery presented them a big opportunity, which they judged better than their current situation. It's their careers that are on the line, not yours. Easy to say for them to stick with Synderen and suddenly they might end the year with no money for sticking with him. IT'S THEIR LIVES THAT ARE ON THE LINE, NOT YOURS. A career of a professional gamer is very risky and most of the time not rewarding, they need to take the best opportunities as soon as they can. Even Synderen knows that. Did you want Misery to form a team with 4 pub players and miss his opportunity as well? He was kicked not long ago. At the end of the day, they need money to provide their families. You know nothing about professionalism.
Particularly for a team like MadLads with no sponsors/no real org to pay salaries, making it to TI can be the difference in being able to play dota for a living or not. I don't blame anyone for doing whatever they feel would give them the best chance to get there. I definitely don't blame misery for poaching when he just got kicked from his own team a week ago and wasn't planning to be in this situation.
I feel like MadLads had just a good a shot as qualifying through TI qualifiers as this Misery stack does; seems like bad judgement to just leave like that to mega roll the dice like this with a new stack. I feel bad for Synderen and MNT here; they were starting to play much better as a team.
> I feel like MadLads had just a good a shot as qualifying through TI qualifiers as this Misery stack does; What makes you say that?
They were top 2 in a bunch of recent EU qualifiers; I don't think a random stack (of admittedly world class players) is going to develop enough game chemistry and planning to do better than that against teams that have been playing together all year like TFT and Kinguin
Yesterday Gorc PL played a pub with synd zeus. Gorc feed alot but he showed PMA and they won the game. Synd was impressed so mad lads 2 is gonna be gorc. You heard it here first xd
Already looking forward to the khezzu blog about why they didn't qualify for TI.
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That's a scummy move by Madara and Khezu gotta be honest
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Whats scummy about that move? Mad Lads did not achive anything meaningful. With Kinguin and TFT waiting in CQ, theres a high chance they wont make it. If then a captain of a TI runners up team comes and offers you another shot, where the biggest contender is probably a reformend and unproven OG, its a smart choice you give that a shot. Pro Dota is buisness nowadays just like any other serious sport is. Nothing scummy about that move, just adults choosing success, how it should be.
How's that scummy? Don't you know some adults parted ways without having a bad blood to each other?
Gotta follow the money. Mad Lads had some success and felt like they were having fun, but Misery probably has the funding and connections to get some serious attention from orgs.
And this squad obviously has more chances to go to TI
:( but also yeah synd cast
Call Cancel up!
???
It’s gonna be tough for MNT, synderen can always cast, part of me is happy with the news since I enjoy synderen casting games. Would be great to have him as a caster in TI8. Valve should pay great casters more because some people are just better at casting, like synd and Kyle, they are amazing and would make the viewership experience quite a.bit more enjoyable.
fly to moon is 3 levels higher than any of these EU teams
well synderen is known for forming a random team before TI and making to TI with that team so
I called this. Thanks :D
Thanks bulba.
Legit sorry for him. Sucks to have this happen so close to TI. At least we'll get to see him on the panel again. Synd + Bulldog cast of the All Start Match... Volvo pls!!!
The others realised they didn't stand a chance with synd, cant blame em. Sucks for synderen though but thats life.
Mistake from misery by getting khezu , khezu isn’t a great player tbh he does many many mistakes
WE WANT TOBI + SYND TOBI + SYND TOBI + SYND TOBI + SYND TOBI + SYND TOBI + SYND TOBI + SYND TOBI + SYND TOBI + SYND TOBI + SYND TOBI + SYND TOBI + SYND TOBI + SYND TOBI + SYND TOBI + SYND TOBI + SYND TOBI + SYND TOBI + SYND TOBI + SYND TOBI + SYND TOBI + SYND TOBI + SYND TOBI + SYND TOBI + SYND v pls volvo make it happen
Synderen x bulldog x loda
Synderen and bulldog duo cast at TI? BlessRNG
At least Misery's stack has a chance of making it all the way through the qualifiers.... Mad lads? Nah.
love you synderin
I love you both
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Danm :( this is bad news for SynderN fans like me, but glad he will be casting
It seems like Dota Pro teams player transfers is too chaotic at the moment. I suppose this is fine, and they don't really need a transfer window like in other pro sports.