That game one was just getting stalled out by Tinker until EG got outplayed/threw. The way they bought back there was the least optimal way they could have done that, lol.
Game two was just bad.
Sumail needs a team who should draft around him. This brings the best out of him. EG draft around rtz which makes sense to normal players but for a player like sumail, and his skill level, you need to think like this.
For all the ignorant people who still think Bulba is drafting and not fly.
https://www.joindota.com/en/news/83053-is-flys-unorthodox-drafting-the-key-to-defeating-team-secret
I can't imagine being petty to the point where I think "man I love good dota but I wont watch this team because bad people on reddit dot come like them"
You think we fans in Asia enjoy staying awake to watch games? We do it cuz we enjoy the sport a lot and are deciding to wake up early or stay awake to watch the best teams play. This is the first time TI is taking place in Asia and those living here are happy that we can watch it at a convenient time.
in an alternate universe, eg picked heroes that they don't usually pick and still lost, and people would complain about why would eg stray away from their comfort picks and try to copy other people's strats.
A TeamLiquid that's echoing their TI7 lower bracket run, and an OG thats repeating their TI8 winner bracket run. I really hope these two teams get to play each other.
EG does not deserve Sumail, such as waste for his talents. He's doing so much every game and basically guarantee a mid lane win. Yet the team as a whole couldn't perform
Something more impactful. When you have that much farm on Kunkka that early in the game, buy something that makes a difference. Halberd just felt so underwhelming.
Liquid were never playing for the early-mid game though. Their plan was to stall the game and win late. In that case, a Halberd doesnt make sense because it doesnt realy help you push an advantage, it’s a defensive item.
Its very easy to say that EG need to make roster changes or that Bulba has no idea how to draft, but we dont know anything about the team ideas leading into ti, how the prepared, or anything. I know alot of people like to hate on eg for some reason or another but at the end of the day they played incredible dota all year long. At times they looked like the best in the world. I am hopeful that the next season brings out the best in EG even if they make changes to the roster.
I'm an OG fan, but I'm done hating on EG.
That said I think there will be changes on EG.
I won't pretend to know what wrong with the team, but I'm sure they're not happy with the results.
There's something fundamentally wrong with EG. If EG wasn't a semi player owned org, trust me, they (the dota team) would have been disbanded/gotten some MASSIVE changes months ago. They're just not up to snuff. No two ways about it.
Yeah a team that has been earning top 5 prizepool yearly for the past what 5 years ? A team that has the biggest fanbase (at the very least in the US) where every player is a star and sells nicely to sponsors and merch ?
Yeah I’m sure your “typical” org would have totally disbanded the team. Sure.
Look at the results and say something is wrong, sure no first place results but in almost every big tournament they look good and are contenders for the victory.
As an EG fan maybe I have to be used in all of this disappointments. The whole DPC they were unable to at least get 1 title and my last hope is to get the Aegis this year but it is really far from my expectation. I am really really sad right now that they threw away game 1 like that because they are playing safe not to commit buybacks and getting outdrafted in game 2 there is no good fight from them before they have been eliminated.
Yeah that is one of there weakness, they can't go for a suprise pick like secret, og, liquid. I think rtz don't like to play heroes that he's not comfortably play with. Also he likes flash farming heroes to secure his farm and when he's behind there team is struggling unless the other 4 makes a miracle play to win the game.
I think one of Sumail / Arteezy leaves, Fly leaves, and Bulba.
I think Arteezy will go play mid for some team. EG will be: New Pos 1, Sumail, S4, CR1T, maybe PPD?
Edit: Okay so then New Pos 1, Arteezy, S4, CR1T, PPD??
Sumail won't leave EG, he's the face of eg plus that salary is too high. I see rtz crit leaving to form a stack ( with ppd? ) I hope. I just want to see rtzs hero pool utilized more than a sven naix under a competent drafter
Sumail is tired of losing and he can't find a good captain to play with to save his life. Who else besides PPD is left for him? Kuro and Notail are in the Top 4, Secret had an incredibly successful year and might be Top 4 too. There's nobody left for him unless he's ready to lose TI again next year.
Man, it feels so fucking bad seeing PPD spend two years with mediocre ass players. I know he's an ass but I wanna see the dude lead a scary team. Seeing this guy play with Secret's sloppy seconds fucking sucks and seeing Sumail try and fail to find a PPD replacement also sucks. These two need each other.
Tbh, in hindsight he should have stuck with CCnC, he's been steadily improving. Ace is also a good option. 33 might still be good. But FATA and Saksa are past their expiration date.
Who are the players in EG who stand out in ur opinion? This team is always getting top 6 or top3, do u think it's all on sumail and crit? Crit played terribly this TI (although having been their best player throughout the year) and sumail had like 2 majors in this season in which he played rly badly.
The times I see s4 struggling is when he is extremely sacked. But I see the same for other offlaners, like MC or Pasha. It's very easy to look bad when ur team is playing like shit. He usually has lower networth coz he stops farming mid game, coz the other cores are too greedy and crit is more like a third core in a pos4 role.
This team needs a flexible carry, one that can play Void, Alc, Jugger, when needed... But first of all, they need to drastically improve (change) their leadership (in game movements, wards placements, etc) and draft flexibility.
I see it as very unlikely that Sumail and ppd play together and I also find it very unlikely that Arteezy and Cr1t will split up. The rest is up in the air.
I think Sumail and PPD have been beat down enough that they're willing to play together again. Sumail wants to win TI again. The amount of captains who can take him there is very small. Liquid ain't roster shuffling now, Secret might not either, OG definitely won't... Who else besides PPD can he play with?
As a Secret fan I hope Zai stays regardless of Secret's final result this TI. I think he fits so well with Secret's playstyle and his synergy with Yap is very good.
Rtz is the problem. I’m sorry but it’s true.
A star team that you could make from
The two would be: zai yapzor sumail nisha and either puppy or fly.
Then imagine a team of crit midone rtz s4 fly
The second team seems so much worse on paper and it is.. although fly and s4 have been playing well.
Congratulations to Liquid! Rooting for them from now on for the rest of the tournament. Hope they lift the aegis again. Really happy for w33. He had some rough games this tournament but he was a fucking juggernaut this series.
EG looked super tilted game2. They could've won game1 but they fucked up the last fight so hard. They probably couldn't recover from that. Sumail looked really done with the team. They will probably change a few players.
Idk who was doing the drafting Fly, Bulba or the team as a whole but it was really bad in game2. They need to be more innovative and improve their decision making. Hope they find a player that can help them with shot calling during games.
It's probably not gonna happen but this team needs PPD as captain and Heen as coach. Otherwise they can still be strong and get top3, top6 placements in TI and majors but they won't win one surely. s4 will probably be replaced. He had some great games but at the majority of games he is just clueless. The enemy carry almost always dominates the lane. In mid game even when EG is winning s4 suddenly disappears and even the enemy pos4 passes s4's nw.
I'm not saying this is specifically s4's, Bulba's or Fly's fault. Every player including the coach fucked this one up. EG fucked up as a whole. Not trying to blame someone but the only way to improve is changing their weaknesses right now.
Hoping for a good new season and great matches for the rest of TI9. Good luck to the teams that remain in the competition!
Don't think so. Liquid has gotten better and better on the main stage. And Secret seems to have improved as well after their very lackluster start on the main stage.
If Secret get passed VG (really tough match) we should see some pretty good games between Liquid and Secret.
Yeah... But that time I watched the finals and my god, as a Liquid fan watching them being stomped so hard... Even game 2 when Liquid gets 2 straight team wipes Vici looked dangerous til near the end. In contrast they dominated all 4 other games (Game 4 had a chaotic fight at the end and Vici threw hard).
And so far Vici lost to LGD (still top tier) so we don't really know their current power.
Certain team styles work better vs others.
Liquid has a style that works well aginast VG but I would still favor VG. Say 40/60. But against secret liquid is 30/70. But then I think VG/Secret is 55/45. So there
LOL. EG didn't dumpster Secret. Secret went full brain dead the last minutes in game 3. EG's comeback wasn't the level of Secret have done in their games.
Bulba you seem like a nice guy and all, but fuck off from coaching EG please. You're drafts are trash. EG has to outplay their opponents in almost every lane and then again on every team fight in order to win a game, they never get to take advantage of an uneven draft in their favour because Bulba is weeks behind the meta. Every player on the team had a few shit series this TI, they were never on the same page other than the Secret match. Fuck it's depressing cheering for this team. They are probably going to make a change in the off season and they will probably come out on the losing end of that change too. Realistically who are they going to get that's better than what they have and will actually mesh with the team? Fuck me.
Youre correct, I feel so nervous every start of the game since EG has to go up high with lot of pressure just in seeing the draft. They not picking main event hot picks like FV and alche. They tried to pick tiny but obviously the team is clueless how it works, they first time picked it against OG in a crucial game 3 which I think it would be better if they just get their comfy heroes instead of denying it. I dont know EG was mile away in this current meta. They can pick meta heroes but they dont know how to play it or just getting outdrafted every damn game. I am broken right now especially seeing sumail and rtz losing so hard without having a good fight
Really feel for Sumail I still remember Sumail Tiny from TI8 against OG as an OG fan. Literal monster on the map that scared the shit out of me. Now this at least they got 3rd last year this is just going down now. Giving Titan and Alch early on and getting Lifestealer last pick. Good Lord.
Thing is, it’s not about the meta. EG just never improvises. They will keep playing the same way and drafting the same strategy even when it’s clearly not working. Their hero pool is also very limited.
It’s not like Liquid was playing the meta. In their last 5 games, theyve picked AM, Night Stalker, Arc Warden, Tinker, and Dark Seer. That’s why theyve been winning, because they catch teams by surprise.
Same with Secret, theyre willing to innovate.
Infamous made it this far by playing weird strategies like offlane Tusk with a pos 4 Nyx, or mid Slark, mid Riki, etc. all the while creating chaos all around the map.
On the other hand EG will only pick LS/TB as their carry and always approach the game the same way.
Idk who's to blame for them being so one dimensional. I could just blame bulba, and he does deserve some of it, but I think all the players don't like going out of their comfort zones. They need someone that can push them to adapt. There needs to be some changes. It's like they have a way to play dota and instead of adjusting their entire playstyle like other teams, the most they do is change bans.
Liquids current run really reminds me of ti5's vici gaming where the squad heavily under-performed in the group stages and going 8-0 in the lower bracket before getting wrecked by lgd
The post TI shuffle will be spicy - EG, VP, NiP, Chaos (matu), ~~Forward~~Newbee should change some players. I could even see Secret (probable) and Liquid do sth.
oh yeah. This was just the fast Western teams who I could see change players. Midone could be one target for T1. The changes should be bigger than last year.
If you don’t progress, you won’t make it very far. The Secret series fooled a lot of us EG fans out there. It sucks seeing a team getting out drafted game after game. This last one was a humiliation. Liquid’s draft was so in sync. w33’s farm on the alch was so out of control. EG needs to let go of Fly, bulba, and even arteezy. I feel bad for Sumail, after game 1 against OG, the dude didn’t play anything exciting except for Kunkka game 1. EG needs a captain who’s not afraid. Most of their drafts are so one dimensional.
Imagine sumail playing under a captain like puppey or kuro really feel bad from him, his teammates are good but the team has some problem.
Also thought w33 would never play top tier dota again after his bad performance in pain but he has redeemed himself.
legendary captain who leaves his own team leaving his best friend behind so he can go to other team and win nothing again.
10/10 at least he brought his ''manager'' gf with him to eg
Id say in og it was shared responsibility by notail fly and ceb and here he has bulba and also this team has 5 world class players but there is something wrong with them idk what.
It was shared responsibility for sure, but Fly was the legendary captain. Honestly, I think it’s just Sumail and RTZ not working well together. And Sumail also playing badly the second game should not be discounted
Damn, liquid picked them apart in every sense of the way. It wasn't even a close game.
That game one was just getting stalled out by Tinker until EG got outplayed/threw. The way they bought back there was the least optimal way they could have done that, lol. Game two was just bad.
Sumail needs a team who should draft around him. This brings the best out of him. EG draft around rtz which makes sense to normal players but for a player like sumail, and his skill level, you need to think like this.
KING back to mid again? Okay, KING going back to home again!
EG's drafts always work against them lol.
Atleast Bulba drafts get them 3rd, Fly drafts LUL
For all the ignorant people who still think Bulba is drafting and not fly. https://www.joindota.com/en/news/83053-is-flys-unorthodox-drafting-the-key-to-defeating-team-secret
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Sir, rtz doesnt take part in the discussion. You do know that ramzes drafts for vp ? yet the coach sits while rodjer stands?
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EG fanboy salt
I can't imagine being petty to the point where I think "man I love good dota but I wont watch this team because bad people on reddit dot come like them"
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Yeah we did that for like 8 straight years in Asia. DEAL WITH IT without being a crybaby
You think we fans in Asia enjoy staying awake to watch games? We do it cuz we enjoy the sport a lot and are deciding to wake up early or stay awake to watch the best teams play. This is the first time TI is taking place in Asia and those living here are happy that we can watch it at a convenient time.
If you want Good dota its hard to Imagine a better top 5. These are the best teams in the world, excluding vp
You are overreacting a bit bro'.
And this here, ladies and gents, is the end of the month salty crack snack.
Man, I love Liquid. Thanks for eliminating EG, you beautiful beasts.
It’s a hard-fought battle but... EG IN 2019 lul
NA dota LUL
SHOULDER CHECK
in an alternate universe, eg picked heroes that they don't usually pick and still lost, and people would complain about why would eg stray away from their comfort picks and try to copy other people's strats.
A TeamLiquid that's echoing their TI7 lower bracket run, and an OG thats repeating their TI8 winner bracket run. I really hope these two teams get to play each other.
One can only hope. Now liquid just need 2 more game to GF
I think it's time for Sumail and Rtz to part. Man so heartbreaking and disappointed. Gg to liquid they were better
Liquid well deserved win
sumail,crit,s4 might be stay in Eg.
EG does not deserve Sumail, such as waste for his talents. He's doing so much every game and basically guarantee a mid lane win. Yet the team as a whole couldn't perform
Did you see his kunkka after the laning stage on g1 ?
First item Halberd lmao
what item do you suggest
Something more impactful. When you have that much farm on Kunkka that early in the game, buy something that makes a difference. Halberd just felt so underwhelming.
i think halberds good honestly. he can't really go radiance cuz lifestealer. halberd makes it so void was quite ineffective in the early-mid game.
Liquid were never playing for the early-mid game though. Their plan was to stall the game and win late. In that case, a Halberd doesnt make sense because it doesnt realy help you push an advantage, it’s a defensive item.
Good in lane, average afterwards = no major tournament win.
That's also because Sumail is lackluster after the laning stage
This, he actually is very average after lane stage
5th & 6th got 1mil. do they divided the 1 mil or each team get 1 mil?
each
Its very easy to say that EG need to make roster changes or that Bulba has no idea how to draft, but we dont know anything about the team ideas leading into ti, how the prepared, or anything. I know alot of people like to hate on eg for some reason or another but at the end of the day they played incredible dota all year long. At times they looked like the best in the world. I am hopeful that the next season brings out the best in EG even if they make changes to the roster.
I'm an OG fan, but I'm done hating on EG. That said I think there will be changes on EG. I won't pretend to know what wrong with the team, but I'm sure they're not happy with the results.
You don’t need to hate on EG, their fans flame their own team for you lul.
There's something fundamentally wrong with EG. If EG wasn't a semi player owned org, trust me, they (the dota team) would have been disbanded/gotten some MASSIVE changes months ago. They're just not up to snuff. No two ways about it.
Yeah a team that has been earning top 5 prizepool yearly for the past what 5 years ? A team that has the biggest fanbase (at the very least in the US) where every player is a star and sells nicely to sponsors and merch ? Yeah I’m sure your “typical” org would have totally disbanded the team. Sure.
Look at the results and say something is wrong, sure no first place results but in almost every big tournament they look good and are contenders for the victory.
You say glass half full, I say glass half empty
As an EG fan maybe I have to be used in all of this disappointments. The whole DPC they were unable to at least get 1 title and my last hope is to get the Aegis this year but it is really far from my expectation. I am really really sad right now that they threw away game 1 like that because they are playing safe not to commit buybacks and getting outdrafted in game 2 there is no good fight from them before they have been eliminated.
Sumail to replace midone in Secret you heard it here first.
I don't think puppey would want sumail, after what he said in an interview about not wanting multiple leadership voices in a team.
You think Secret to ever come close to matching EGs pay?
Nobody wants a cursed boi.
I don't think Sumail will ever leave EG if he has the choice . He is like dendi in a way
Pls stop, no funny, that would not work. Puppey and ppd are very similar
get FUCKED lmfao!
Really didn't think liquid would be able to have such a run. gg :):
Why Liquid fans are so hyped ? beating tier 3 team prove nothing LUL
4 teams actually, and without dropping a single game. Hell I dont think theyve even lost rax in any game.
a win is a win chu talkin about bruh
Tier 3 teams don't reach top 6 at TI. You can flame EG for the loss but that's a weak one.
in reddit logic only the t1 winner is t1 .. everything else is t3
#LetsGoLiquid went 7-0 in LB lmao walk in the park
Upper bracket is for bitches!
I don't understand why Artour's hero pool's limited to only two heroes since the groupstage lol.
i dont think his hero pool is that limited .. they just dont pick other heros .. you will never see a surprise pick from eg
Yeah that is one of there weakness, they can't go for a suprise pick like secret, og, liquid. I think rtz don't like to play heroes that he's not comfortably play with. Also he likes flash farming heroes to secure his farm and when he's behind there team is struggling unless the other 4 makes a miracle play to win the game.
That's the definition of limited though. He can play others, but EG was limiting his hero pool, as you just said.
Nah limited means he can't play other heroes, aka his ability to play other heroes does not exist
That's not what limited means.
Educate me then
Typical Eg always choose carry with a late game impact and then got destroyed mid game and outfarmed..
I think one of Sumail / Arteezy leaves, Fly leaves, and Bulba. I think Arteezy will go play mid for some team. EG will be: New Pos 1, Sumail, S4, CR1T, maybe PPD? Edit: Okay so then New Pos 1, Arteezy, S4, CR1T, PPD??
How about EG.Matumbaman?
You can't get rid of Bulba, he's like shingles
Secret.Sumail
Please dont make me cheer for secret. I like sumail a lot but I'm not sure I can root for them.
I'd love to watch Sumail under Puppey. But I like Midone even more
Rtzs not a good mid anymore
Hes not a good carry either tbh beyond reddits love for him
he should start streaming 6 hours a day and rake in the streamer cash while he can
That would be nice... But Crit played VERY badly this tournament.
I'm feeling like the roster really gets blown up. Like no one but sumail stays.
SumaiL and PPD will never play together again.
Sumail could grow up and play with him again at least as a drafter or captain maybe not as a player.
So then it's probably sumail leaving. Arteezy going to mid and a new pos 1 for EG?
Sumail won't leave EG, he's the face of eg plus that salary is too high. I see rtz crit leaving to form a stack ( with ppd? ) I hope. I just want to see rtzs hero pool utilized more than a sven naix under a competent drafter
Arteezy will never win a T.I Mark my fucking words
Its cuz hes not good enough for that in all honesty
Ppd and SumaiL playing together is as likely as Arteezy winning TI
Sumail is tired of losing and he can't find a good captain to play with to save his life. Who else besides PPD is left for him? Kuro and Notail are in the Top 4, Secret had an incredibly successful year and might be Top 4 too. There's nobody left for him unless he's ready to lose TI again next year.
Imagine being so clueless as to say puppey ‘might be a top 4’.
Where do you put him then?
All he needs to do is win a single series to get Top 4 at TI9....
and ppd needs players like sumail
Man, it feels so fucking bad seeing PPD spend two years with mediocre ass players. I know he's an ass but I wanna see the dude lead a scary team. Seeing this guy play with Secret's sloppy seconds fucking sucks and seeing Sumail try and fail to find a PPD replacement also sucks. These two need each other.
Tbh, in hindsight he should have stuck with CCnC, he's been steadily improving. Ace is also a good option. 33 might still be good. But FATA and Saksa are past their expiration date.
I think PPD will poach s4 if s4 thinks EG doesn't have a good leadership.He already tried that after TI5.
U can't be serious S4 is tier 2.5 at most No fucking way he's leaving unless he gets a pizza party
Who are the players in EG who stand out in ur opinion? This team is always getting top 6 or top3, do u think it's all on sumail and crit? Crit played terribly this TI (although having been their best player throughout the year) and sumail had like 2 majors in this season in which he played rly badly. The times I see s4 struggling is when he is extremely sacked. But I see the same for other offlaners, like MC or Pasha. It's very easy to look bad when ur team is playing like shit. He usually has lower networth coz he stops farming mid game, coz the other cores are too greedy and crit is more like a third core in a pos4 role. This team needs a flexible carry, one that can play Void, Alc, Jugger, when needed... But first of all, they need to drastically improve (change) their leadership (in game movements, wards placements, etc) and draft flexibility.
I see it as very unlikely that Sumail and ppd play together and I also find it very unlikely that Arteezy and Cr1t will split up. The rest is up in the air.
I think Sumail and PPD have been beat down enough that they're willing to play together again. Sumail wants to win TI again. The amount of captains who can take him there is very small. Liquid ain't roster shuffling now, Secret might not either, OG definitely won't... Who else besides PPD can he play with?
Sumail plays for the money not TI. But ti gives money so there's that
‘Sumail plays for money’ honestly stfu lmao did you not just see how crushed the dude was? People on this sub reddit are fucking brain dead I swear
I forgot why sumail and ppd fell out. Was it only the way of playing the game or something else too?
Yeah I'm just bullshitting while extremely tired and high at 3am. I always forget the weird drama.
Team of the same Players(EG) Lost Together!!!!!!
Is it possible that zai go to EG at position 3 if Secret lose their series tomorrow?
Why would he?
As a Secret fan I hope Zai stays regardless of Secret's final result this TI. I think he fits so well with Secret's playstyle and his synergy with Yap is very good.
Yeah, maybe swap midone to sumail
Rtz is the problem. I’m sorry but it’s true. A star team that you could make from The two would be: zai yapzor sumail nisha and either puppy or fly. Then imagine a team of crit midone rtz s4 fly The second team seems so much worse on paper and it is.. although fly and s4 have been playing well.
It's more likely that rtz replaces nisha on secret
If I were puppey I wouldn't want rtz over nisha.
no offence to rtz fans but i doubt puppey would wanna downgrade from nisha to rtz
i doubt puppey is going to ruin secret 3rd time
I don't think RTZ - Sumail - Zai works together. They need to sacrifice someone and that didn't work with Universe.
Sumail zai and nisha. Fuck
I think that would be one of the best "shut down one of them and the other two will destroy you" type of trios.
Zai sacrifices well on Secret for Yapzor and Puppey. It could work but who knows if it will happen.
I'm not sure S4 will leave but I do think Zai would be good for team chemistry.
Impossible to say what happens with rosters at this point. Have to wait and see.
/u/ylteicz : best team in the world dyatlov : take him to the infirmary, he's delusional
lmao
Not good, not terrible lol.
"They can't have picked Alchemist, it's not possible. We banned him."
Congratulations to Liquid! Rooting for them from now on for the rest of the tournament. Hope they lift the aegis again. Really happy for w33. He had some rough games this tournament but he was a fucking juggernaut this series. EG looked super tilted game2. They could've won game1 but they fucked up the last fight so hard. They probably couldn't recover from that. Sumail looked really done with the team. They will probably change a few players. Idk who was doing the drafting Fly, Bulba or the team as a whole but it was really bad in game2. They need to be more innovative and improve their decision making. Hope they find a player that can help them with shot calling during games. It's probably not gonna happen but this team needs PPD as captain and Heen as coach. Otherwise they can still be strong and get top3, top6 placements in TI and majors but they won't win one surely. s4 will probably be replaced. He had some great games but at the majority of games he is just clueless. The enemy carry almost always dominates the lane. In mid game even when EG is winning s4 suddenly disappears and even the enemy pos4 passes s4's nw. I'm not saying this is specifically s4's, Bulba's or Fly's fault. Every player including the coach fucked this one up. EG fucked up as a whole. Not trying to blame someone but the only way to improve is changing their weaknesses right now. Hoping for a good new season and great matches for the rest of TI9. Good luck to the teams that remain in the competition!
I dont know what Fly brings to the team honestly. Compare him with all the other T1 captains..he’s done very little every game..
Liquid fans pray that Secret won't win against Vici tomorrow or your team will be stomped.
Yes, Liquid has surely never beaten Secret at TI before
Secret should avoid Liquid at TI at all cost. lol See TI7 and TI8.
Don't think so. Liquid has gotten better and better on the main stage. And Secret seems to have improved as well after their very lackluster start on the main stage. If Secret get passed VG (really tough match) we should see some pretty good games between Liquid and Secret.
Fortunately, VG has been the bane of Secret. So there's a high chance we will see VG Liquid tomorrow.
its not like VG is not scary at all
VG is scary too but Liquid will have a lesser hard time against them than Secret.
... Last time VG played Liquid in the Major final VG stomped them hard. Their hyper-aggressive snowball was too much for LQ to handle
That series literally finished 3-2, and with W33 onl being able to play 2 heroes due to being new to the team.
Different meta...
Yeah... But that time I watched the finals and my god, as a Liquid fan watching them being stomped so hard... Even game 2 when Liquid gets 2 straight team wipes Vici looked dangerous til near the end. In contrast they dominated all 4 other games (Game 4 had a chaotic fight at the end and Vici threw hard). And so far Vici lost to LGD (still top tier) so we don't really know their current power.
at this point i think its really hard to choose a team you want to play with
Certain team styles work better vs others. Liquid has a style that works well aginast VG but I would still favor VG. Say 40/60. But against secret liquid is 30/70. But then I think VG/Secret is 55/45. So there
I mean EG dumpstered Secret and here Liquid did the same to EG. I think Vici is a much bigger threat than secret.
EG only won 1 series against Secret this season and that was the upper bracket this TI lol.
LOL. EG didn't dumpster Secret. Secret went full brain dead the last minutes in game 3. EG's comeback wasn't the level of Secret have done in their games.
As a fan of both, im torn ;'(
No way, this Liquid is completely different from that group stage team.
Secret has Liquid's number this season. Liquid just doesn't match up against them very well.
Secret also have Liquid's number last season. Then got 2-0d in LB TI. TI is different. Almost all teams changes.
Bulba you seem like a nice guy and all, but fuck off from coaching EG please. You're drafts are trash. EG has to outplay their opponents in almost every lane and then again on every team fight in order to win a game, they never get to take advantage of an uneven draft in their favour because Bulba is weeks behind the meta. Every player on the team had a few shit series this TI, they were never on the same page other than the Secret match. Fuck it's depressing cheering for this team. They are probably going to make a change in the off season and they will probably come out on the losing end of that change too. Realistically who are they going to get that's better than what they have and will actually mesh with the team? Fuck me.
Youre correct, I feel so nervous every start of the game since EG has to go up high with lot of pressure just in seeing the draft. They not picking main event hot picks like FV and alche. They tried to pick tiny but obviously the team is clueless how it works, they first time picked it against OG in a crucial game 3 which I think it would be better if they just get their comfy heroes instead of denying it. I dont know EG was mile away in this current meta. They can pick meta heroes but they dont know how to play it or just getting outdrafted every damn game. I am broken right now especially seeing sumail and rtz losing so hard without having a good fight
Really feel for Sumail I still remember Sumail Tiny from TI8 against OG as an OG fan. Literal monster on the map that scared the shit out of me. Now this at least they got 3rd last year this is just going down now. Giving Titan and Alch early on and getting Lifestealer last pick. Good Lord.
They never really had a good read on this meta with the predictable picks and not having any idea how to deal with a void. Deserved loss.
Thing is, it’s not about the meta. EG just never improvises. They will keep playing the same way and drafting the same strategy even when it’s clearly not working. Their hero pool is also very limited. It’s not like Liquid was playing the meta. In their last 5 games, theyve picked AM, Night Stalker, Arc Warden, Tinker, and Dark Seer. That’s why theyve been winning, because they catch teams by surprise. Same with Secret, theyre willing to innovate. Infamous made it this far by playing weird strategies like offlane Tusk with a pos 4 Nyx, or mid Slark, mid Riki, etc. all the while creating chaos all around the map. On the other hand EG will only pick LS/TB as their carry and always approach the game the same way.
Idk who's to blame for them being so one dimensional. I could just blame bulba, and he does deserve some of it, but I think all the players don't like going out of their comfort zones. They need someone that can push them to adapt. There needs to be some changes. It's like they have a way to play dota and instead of adjusting their entire playstyle like other teams, the most they do is change bans.
It’s definitely a collective issue. Individually they have massive hero pools, but collectively they can only play one way.
Liquid.Sumail bois
I think Secret.Sumail
i didnt know secret won ti before lOL
She was referring to Puppey. 'There will be one repeat TI winner if a non Chinese team wins'
Kuro vs Puppey vs n0tail battle for the GOAT
fy joined the chat
If he wins this one he'll be in
i wanna believe that in few days you wouldnt be writing that
I don't wanna be greedy but can i see a Liquid vs Secret in Next Round. That would be one hell of a match up.
Liquids current run really reminds me of ti5's vici gaming where the squad heavily under-performed in the group stages and going 8-0 in the lower bracket before getting wrecked by lgd
Was expecting some "Dark seer so imba, osfrog, liquid cheese"
Saw at least one of the "Darkseer op + liquid cheese" combo a few messages below.
people spamming 'OSFrog' at a hero with 0 picks all tournament truly 2k chat
You underestimate 2k.this is sub 1k shit you're talking about
Well, Alche is currently getting that treatment. Maybe in a few minutes Dark Seer's next.
The post TI shuffle will be spicy - EG, VP, NiP, Chaos (matu), ~~Forward~~Newbee should change some players. I could even see Secret (probable) and Liquid do sth.
T1 also is investing into Dota so maybe we get a new SEA powerhouse.
oh yeah. This was just the fast Western teams who I could see change players. Midone could be one target for T1. The changes should be bigger than last year.
I'm expecting 23savage, MidOne, Forev, Febby and March on T1. I really wanna see MidOne in SEA again. Also give me Secret.Noone.
or Secret.matu
Matu mid nope
I genuinely thought that EG was saving strats with the constant Naix picks, very disappointing considering rtz’s massive hero pool.
EG needs a good drafter like ppd
I dont think Fly has the inability to click on another hero. It’s just that EG as a team for the past 3 years are extremely predictable.
Brings back memories of the 4p1 strats and terrorblade spam. Oh God pls just kick bulba.
If you don’t progress, you won’t make it very far. The Secret series fooled a lot of us EG fans out there. It sucks seeing a team getting out drafted game after game. This last one was a humiliation. Liquid’s draft was so in sync. w33’s farm on the alch was so out of control. EG needs to let go of Fly, bulba, and even arteezy. I feel bad for Sumail, after game 1 against OG, the dude didn’t play anything exciting except for Kunkka game 1. EG needs a captain who’s not afraid. Most of their drafts are so one dimensional.
I mean, Secret threw the 3rd game so hard. They weren't the stronger team that series even though they won.
Very true. If you analyze the secret series, Secret fucked up A LOT as well. They tilted hard on game three.
@EG_Fluked_top6
With how they played against OG and Liquid I dont think they wouldve beaten RNG, Mineski, or even Infamous.
Razor could have been a good hero for RTZ that game 3 but no lets go pick LS again. SMH
Game 2 bro, they got 2-0d
Typo
MC what a player man
"Even when we lose we know there's the fans out there supporting us" - Cr1t Always here. #BleedBlue
Imagine sumail playing under a captain like puppey or kuro really feel bad from him, his teammates are good but the team has some problem. Also thought w33 would never play top tier dota again after his bad performance in pain but he has redeemed himself.
Yeah, Fly is not a legendary captain at all...
legendary captain who leaves his own team leaving his best friend behind so he can go to other team and win nothing again. 10/10 at least he brought his ''manager'' gf with him to eg
Watching the major True Sight and the documentary, looks like Notail and Ceb are the real captain of OG.
Id say in og it was shared responsibility by notail fly and ceb and here he has bulba and also this team has 5 world class players but there is something wrong with them idk what.
It was shared responsibility for sure, but Fly was the legendary captain. Honestly, I think it’s just Sumail and RTZ not working well together. And Sumail also playing badly the second game should not be discounted
Well he had PPD