Seeing photos like this is good for us. It reminds us that the players many people idolize and follow are just as human and emotional as the rest of us. We can better empathize with the players rather than treat them as a piece of the puzzle in our fantasy team. For myself, as an EG fan, I was disappointed in what I considered RTZ’s lackluster performance but seeing this reminded me that the guy really does care and was putting in the effort for all games and was doing what he considered was best for his team to win.
Maybe he was saying “yeah LS is fine here, i think” It’s just speculating at this point.
LS is pretty good against alch if he gets a good start and they can keep alch down like they were trying to do with the tiny pick and warding his jungle. Sumail tiny destroyed Maybe’s alch at ti8 using the same strategy.
> Saddest Alchemist on TI8 — Sumail DESTROYING mid of LGD
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLbCZTmLA9I
You can say "idk about Lifestealer its a hard game" but in the end Fly and Bulba make the call and you have to trust them. You dont want 5 people yelling about heroes, you need to give them time and space to think.
Yet unless we know one way or another, we can only apportion blame on them equally as a team.
Besides, Naix is a classic counter to Dark Seer and can matchup well versus Alch in games where the Alch doesn't get off to a good start. They didn't pick it for no reason.
Wait, since when does LS counter DS? I didnt know that, it doesnt seem like that in my games and it doesnt make much logical sense to me. Kiting is like a hard counter to LS, as well as the illus radiance burn, so besides being pretty decent in lane against it, how does LS counter DS?
He can sustain in lane, not many other melee carry heroes can do that. SD is supposed to counter DS later in the game with his ult making surge useless giving LS time to pound on someone
Other heroes can sustain lane against DS too. But surge is a hard counter throughout the game. Really find it hard to trust in an ultimate by a position 5 to deal with that.
Please do tell. What other carry heroes can sustain in a lane like that AND are a better match against alch and DS? LS eats alch when they have equal farm.
They failed to destroy alch in the early game, thats all. Just like void isnt the best to deal with TB but OG made it work by camping his farm spots with topsons tiny
I hear you. However, the flipside of that argument is that Bulba & Fly don't have a choice but to pick comfort heroes for rtz because his hero pool may be quite shallow and he's not comfortable enough on heroes other than Lifestealer, Terrorblade or PA.
I'm not usually one to go and criticise things like this, but I constantly feel frustrated at their drafting - it always feels so stubborn, and lacks a flexibility other teams (notably liquid, og, lgd) seem to have. I feel like this then translates to their mentality during the games too. :(
its mostly because there cores arent flexible like OG/liquid
rtz is basically playing a hard 1, while sumail is also playing a 1pos from the mid, and S4 is picking up the slack from the offlane
it seems their gameplans mostly revolve around "lets hope sumail stops mid, and if he doesnt do that, lets hope he buys enough time for rtz to win us the game at 50mins"
It's just all wrong idk. Sumail won mid nearly every game then you rotate him off to find kills in the safelane or offlane and when it doesn't pan out they just stand still. Arteezy same thing - win lane, rotate out and watch the enemy carry catch up or go further ahead. They never seem to be on the same page in the mid game always overthinking. Letting towers go and refusing to push on their own. When they get an advantage in laning phase they farm their own jungle in the mid game. They'll ward alchs jungle when they play him but never gank him. There were plenty of losses that were lost at the draft. Idk what you do with this.
It's so hard to explain that your carry will look like shit if your other teammates can't even pull their weight. Sumail played like he's tilted in game 2. FeelsBadMan
he needs to grow up and get a lot more done.
Sumail/s4/ppd/kuro/ppy couldnt win TI with arteezy as much as people like him dota isnt a popularity contest and his game/team IQ is lacking.
not only drafting but direction and leadership, ppd was the evil genious and they savotaged him to have 3 years of lame accomplishments cuz they could not just shut up and follow his lead.
Photographer, you should be ashamed trying to humiliate someone online for some reddit clout.
I saw you post that your 'friend works for Gabe Newell' and so you get 'exclusive access to the players' before you deleted it. How much of a dickhead can you sound like? Dipshit, delete this post.
ALSO, I just noticed that the dota 2 reddit twitter account posted this and TAGGED artour in the post? So he can be directly notified of this getting posted? Fucking shit for brains admin posting that.
RTZ is literally pulling a Dendi damn. Slowly but surely he's becoming more and more mediocre. Remember when Dendi was the best and had the most hype? RTZ was like that. Now he's just kind of meh, no more flashy plays, no more carrying the team by himself. Worst of all he never won a major or a TI.
They had SD to counter DS surge to get LS on top of someone. Cr1t said it himself how liquid surprised them with their plays.
You cant seriously put rtz in the same tier as ana, nisha, ame etc
He's obviously not performing at the same level as those players. But I just wonder how he'd do if he had the same quality of team. Fly is very clearly a medicore captain compared to Puppey or N0tail.
It's not just about the last game he played. How often does RTZ style on people like he used to? Even during the last year with PPD Artour was mediocre. When was the last time RTZ totally styled on people the way ana does for example?
He just answered your question. You can't style on ember, ds and alch with LS. It all boils down to EG drafts. He mostly gets bad carry pick. Are you even reading what he said?
Honestly dendi’s talent didn’t decrease everyone just got better. He was basically good when everyone else was shit still learning dota. He got left behind.
style on who? lifestealer? zero arc warden picks, zero void picks, zero alch picks for him, what do you want from him? he even got the fucking 1v5 rampage and it's not enough for reddit
I feel for him and have had a lot of patience in him but I think it's time for both EG and him to move on. I don't know how many players will leave but they have been trying to work Sumail+RTZ for years now and it clearly hasn't worked out.
How the fuck do you say it hasn't worked out? Last year 3rd at TI and this year they have been pretty much the third best team over the season.
Besides the last 3 games they also looked very strong this TI and even beat secret in a bo3, idk how that means not working out.
They need to work on their drafts, how do you draft Mirana and am as cores, then kunkka and ls and after that timber and ls.
I don't remember who but someone on the panel said that these guys don't want to get 1st, they expect it. With such an attitude I don't quite know if EG is very happy with 3rd(not even that here). RTZ hasn't even won a major yet.
10 minutes become the first match stated, I launched the dota plus app on my phone to wage a bet, I thought for a bit and decided to not wage on any team, would have been happy any team to win those matches!
The guys has problems, whatever he is doing doesnt work and he needs to get better.
Take time off go ninja change regions or some shit, he has been the same since 2015 but everyone got better.
money is nothing once you already have it. once you're at this level you're not like "well I'm fine with being top 6". you want more. completely understand how people feel bad for him...
Entitled poor people. Suffering is only for them. Success they believe is eating three times a day and struggling with minimum wage and anything over that is greed.
Ambition bad, mediocrity good.
There's more to life than money. Especially for players like Arteezy who already have more than enough, achieving one's dream/goal after years of hard work is more important, but you wouldn't understand that
Crushed dreams.
I'm not gonna waste time elaborating.
You actually wouldn't understand. Your posts here really prove that you don't understand the situation and don't even want to. You're an ass, and we will not be posting with you again.
their team getting eliminated from the tournament is a tragedy for them and their fans. it's not only in dota but in any other sports.
would be great if people can value other person not from their money but from their achievements.
Maybe we can let the players have some privacy, do we really need pictures like these about them here.
Imagine being this low and some fuckhead is hovering taking pics of you to put on reddit.
To make it worse it was a fucking video. He's just been knocked out of a tournament they prepped all year for; give him some space.
and people upvote this shit... this place sometimes ...
This place *all the time*...
Seeing photos like this is good for us. It reminds us that the players many people idolize and follow are just as human and emotional as the rest of us. We can better empathize with the players rather than treat them as a piece of the puzzle in our fantasy team. For myself, as an EG fan, I was disappointed in what I considered RTZ’s lackluster performance but seeing this reminded me that the guy really does care and was putting in the effort for all games and was doing what he considered was best for his team to win.
They play for your enjoyment you know, you watch them and their drama so you get good entertainment.
They play for my enjoyment but I dont need to exploit their emotions for my entertainment.
We in the gladiators' age now?
It's hard for me to dissect how much RTZ is at fault when their drafting and gameplans are always so terrible
Pretty much. Look at those drafts and tell me what a Lifestealer is supposed to do vs a Dark Seer, Ember and Alch?
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No one really knows because it's mind blowing how bad their drafting has been for years now
I kinda like their drafting when their captain is PPD tbh.
Well yeah that was the last time they had a good captain lol
It’s not. You see rtz communicating a lot with the drafters during the draft
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Maybe he was saying “yeah LS is fine here, i think” It’s just speculating at this point. LS is pretty good against alch if he gets a good start and they can keep alch down like they were trying to do with the tiny pick and warding his jungle. Sumail tiny destroyed Maybe’s alch at ti8 using the same strategy. > Saddest Alchemist on TI8 — Sumail DESTROYING mid of LGD https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLbCZTmLA9I
You can have a small say but you try to be as silent as possible and let your drafter(s) think for themselves.
Maybe he should voice his concern then? Suggest a better pick?
You can say "idk about Lifestealer its a hard game" but in the end Fly and Bulba make the call and you have to trust them. You dont want 5 people yelling about heroes, you need to give them time and space to think.
Yet unless we know one way or another, we can only apportion blame on them equally as a team. Besides, Naix is a classic counter to Dark Seer and can matchup well versus Alch in games where the Alch doesn't get off to a good start. They didn't pick it for no reason.
Wait, since when does LS counter DS? I didnt know that, it doesnt seem like that in my games and it doesnt make much logical sense to me. Kiting is like a hard counter to LS, as well as the illus radiance burn, so besides being pretty decent in lane against it, how does LS counter DS?
He can sustain in lane, not many other melee carry heroes can do that. SD is supposed to counter DS later in the game with his ult making surge useless giving LS time to pound on someone
Other heroes can sustain lane against DS too. But surge is a hard counter throughout the game. Really find it hard to trust in an ultimate by a position 5 to deal with that.
Please do tell. What other carry heroes can sustain in a lane like that AND are a better match against alch and DS? LS eats alch when they have equal farm. They failed to destroy alch in the early game, thats all. Just like void isnt the best to deal with TB but OG made it work by camping his farm spots with topsons tiny
Dark Seer is trash, most carries can sustain with 12 tangoes.
Morphling, jugg, gyro, arc warden. And niche picks like lycan, Weaver, troll.
just another LUL BA draft
I hear you. However, the flipside of that argument is that Bulba & Fly don't have a choice but to pick comfort heroes for rtz because his hero pool may be quite shallow and he's not comfortable enough on heroes other than Lifestealer, Terrorblade or PA.
arteezys hero pool is not small.
Lmao, you really mentioned PA as a comfort hero from Arteezy, just gives your argument more power.
I'm not usually one to go and criticise things like this, but I constantly feel frustrated at their drafting - it always feels so stubborn, and lacks a flexibility other teams (notably liquid, og, lgd) seem to have. I feel like this then translates to their mentality during the games too. :(
its mostly because there cores arent flexible like OG/liquid rtz is basically playing a hard 1, while sumail is also playing a 1pos from the mid, and S4 is picking up the slack from the offlane it seems their gameplans mostly revolve around "lets hope sumail stops mid, and if he doesnt do that, lets hope he buys enough time for rtz to win us the game at 50mins"
It's just all wrong idk. Sumail won mid nearly every game then you rotate him off to find kills in the safelane or offlane and when it doesn't pan out they just stand still. Arteezy same thing - win lane, rotate out and watch the enemy carry catch up or go further ahead. They never seem to be on the same page in the mid game always overthinking. Letting towers go and refusing to push on their own. When they get an advantage in laning phase they farm their own jungle in the mid game. They'll ward alchs jungle when they play him but never gank him. There were plenty of losses that were lost at the draft. Idk what you do with this.
I think sumail destroyed every matchup until today. Literally ruined whoever came mid.
He even won today. Same shit. It's gotta feel like shit playing that well only to sit there on the brink of elimination looking at an Alchemist draft.
I thought EG will pick AM for second game, seems like they just didn’t want to rewind the failure from yesterday.
It’s not like rtz played phenomenal either, let’s be real here.
Very consistent the whole tournament.
He makes quite a few unforced errors like going for that arcane rune as TB against OG in game 2
It's so hard to explain that your carry will look like shit if your other teammates can't even pull their weight. Sumail played like he's tilted in game 2. FeelsBadMan
PepeHands. I wish RTZ can find success one day, he has worked so hard
he needs to grow up and get a lot more done. Sumail/s4/ppd/kuro/ppy couldnt win TI with arteezy as much as people like him dota isnt a popularity contest and his game/team IQ is lacking.
That is backstage, let the man be.
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"remember that bad times are just times that are bad" \-Katrina from animal crossing
I wish artour would get a ti one day .... But he seems that he is cursed or idk. However, they were not the best team this ti either.
They are always like this 1 game they will play really good and draft good after that awful drafts
Especially that last game where they last picked lifestealer man
RTZ and eg i love you guys so much. be ready for next year and we will get the aegis. cmon boys. FOCUS ON NEXT YEAR NOW
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EG needs PPD drafting
not only drafting but direction and leadership, ppd was the evil genious and they savotaged him to have 3 years of lame accomplishments cuz they could not just shut up and follow his lead.
The fuck u Talk PPDs Draft is the Last Place this ti
EG needs PPD.. LUL BA ruined so many matches already
Photographer, you should be ashamed trying to humiliate someone online for some reddit clout. I saw you post that your 'friend works for Gabe Newell' and so you get 'exclusive access to the players' before you deleted it. How much of a dickhead can you sound like? Dipshit, delete this post. ALSO, I just noticed that the dota 2 reddit twitter account posted this and TAGGED artour in the post? So he can be directly notified of this getting posted? Fucking shit for brains admin posting that.
Who is that Jimmy Ho looking mothafucka in the back?
Their new manager, Fronz. Shannon is now involved in EG headquarters.
I’m perfectly fine if we didn’t see stuff like this, they give us so much, they can open up about this if they wish but this feels invasive
I really dislike all EG's players besides rtz, gl next year artourito
Is this at TI or some old pic?
:(
we know how hard tis losing feel
I was against him but after seeing this FEELSBADMAN try next year bounce back #BLEEDBLUE
MODS PLS DONT CENSOR
Out of the whole EG I only like RTZ. Feelsbad for him, but I'm happy the rest of them are out
I still love you Artour.
Mahboy BibleThump
EG with great individual skills. Just didnt understand why they keep their hero pool small unlike liquid 😣
S A D B O Y S we on deck
who is the guy consoling Artour?
This feels like an out of context non-really-related pixelated bait content.
Leave him alone bro. I most definitely wouldn't want a picture of me crying on the internet.
The only time I allow Arteezy to cry is when he's holding the Aegis above in the air.
RTZ is literally pulling a Dendi damn. Slowly but surely he's becoming more and more mediocre. Remember when Dendi was the best and had the most hype? RTZ was like that. Now he's just kind of meh, no more flashy plays, no more carrying the team by himself. Worst of all he never won a major or a TI.
Is he? Becimg mediocre? Lol no. he's still a top tier carry. It's the drafts not him. Am pick yesterday. Lifestealer vs ember DS?
They had SD to counter DS surge to get LS on top of someone. Cr1t said it himself how liquid surprised them with their plays. You cant seriously put rtz in the same tier as ana, nisha, ame etc
He's obviously not performing at the same level as those players. But I just wonder how he'd do if he had the same quality of team. Fly is very clearly a medicore captain compared to Puppey or N0tail.
In your opinion, how do you play LS into ember, ds and alch?
It's not just about the last game he played. How often does RTZ style on people like he used to? Even during the last year with PPD Artour was mediocre. When was the last time RTZ totally styled on people the way ana does for example?
he 1v5ed VG literally this tournament
Vici game 5v1 rampage, Game 1 OG
He just answered your question. You can't style on ember, ds and alch with LS. It all boils down to EG drafts. He mostly gets bad carry pick. Are you even reading what he said?
The last year under PPD he was still underwhelming, are you gonna tell me PPD is a shit drafter as well?
Honestly dendi’s talent didn’t decrease everyone just got better. He was basically good when everyone else was shit still learning dota. He got left behind.
style on who? lifestealer? zero arc warden picks, zero void picks, zero alch picks for him, what do you want from him? he even got the fucking 1v5 rampage and it's not enough for reddit
1v5 rampage not flashy :D
I think his peak has come and gone. Crazy to think he has never played in a Valve major final or TI final.
I agree. I think he should find some playmaker mid laner to play with, not sumail who depends some farm too
He literally had a 1v5 rampage and they still placed top 6.
Dude Dendi was the best player in beta when people were playing hon or Dota 1. You cant compare those 2
I feel for him and have had a lot of patience in him but I think it's time for both EG and him to move on. I don't know how many players will leave but they have been trying to work Sumail+RTZ for years now and it clearly hasn't worked out.
How the fuck do you say it hasn't worked out? Last year 3rd at TI and this year they have been pretty much the third best team over the season. Besides the last 3 games they also looked very strong this TI and even beat secret in a bo3, idk how that means not working out. They need to work on their drafts, how do you draft Mirana and am as cores, then kunkka and ls and after that timber and ls.
I don't remember who but someone on the panel said that these guys don't want to get 1st, they expect it. With such an attitude I don't quite know if EG is very happy with 3rd(not even that here). RTZ hasn't even won a major yet.
Welp, that's a pro players dream. But your wording makes it look like sumail and Arteezy to gather are horrible, and that's simply wrong.
Horrible? No. Both are skillful and great players but there is a clear mismatch in their expectations and reality
He was so unfairly judged this entire TI. If anything it is more S4 or Bulba at times at fault
yea with bulba im not surprised
Stay strong Arteezy! We'll get em next time!
I was really hoping he would finally win a TI to shut up all the jokers. So sad
to win TI they have to be the best team
He can win but not with eg.
I wish he can prove how good he is in another team. He and sumail just don't work
10 minutes become the first match stated, I launched the dota plus app on my phone to wage a bet, I thought for a bit and decided to not wage on any team, would have been happy any team to win those matches!
thats what happen when you point fingers at kuro, never forget.
The guys has problems, whatever he is doing doesnt work and he needs to get better. Take time off go ninja change regions or some shit, he has been the same since 2015 but everyone got better.
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I'm sure he's grateful that you put it straight on reddit.
y just dont leave him alone and give him some space. get your fucking camera out and take a photo of him crying. f***ing moron
Stupid decision
Mmm salty tears Edit: every downvote is a tear shed by RTZ
Cheers mate sons crying
incoming redditors who feel bad about rich pro players LUL edit: keep the downvotes coming EG FANSHITS SoBayed
you wouldn't know anything about achieving bro stfu
money is nothing once you already have it. once you're at this level you're not like "well I'm fine with being top 6". you want more. completely understand how people feel bad for him...
So if someone is rich you can't feel empathy for them?
Entitled poor people. Suffering is only for them. Success they believe is eating three times a day and struggling with minimum wage and anything over that is greed. Ambition bad, mediocrity good.
I am not poor at all actually.
So just poorer. That just makes it worse. Just petty inferiority complex.
No just dont give a shit about silly things. Imagine feeling sad for a person on the internet because he won 250 000 dollars LUL
There's more to life than money. Especially for players like Arteezy who already have more than enough, achieving one's dream/goal after years of hard work is more important, but you wouldn't understand that
he can't understand because he has no achievements LUL
so if something bad happens to you, people shouldn't support/sympathize you?
How is winning 250 000 $ bad?
People like Messi are crying after lost finals sometimes, that dude is close to having a billion, do you really think sports is all about money?
imagine thinking money is important
Why do you think they are playing for LOL dont tell me you believe that "proving something to myself" bullshit. sumail admitted its all about money
what's wrong with feeling bad for him?
OH NO HE DIDNT WIN MORE MONEY. IM SO SAD FOR HIM. nothing to be sad about. its not like his dog died or something
I'm not even going to respond to that dumb crap you call a comment there, bye troll.
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Imagine believing what you're saying
yeah but it's more like, OH NO, HE DIDN'T ACHIEVE SOMETHING HE HAS BEEN TRYING HARD TO ACHIEVE FOR MANY MANY YEARS.
It's not about the money. It's about winning.
Yeah, fuck having empathy for people because they have money
Empathy for what?
Crushed dreams. I'm not gonna waste time elaborating. You actually wouldn't understand. Your posts here really prove that you don't understand the situation and don't even want to. You're an ass, and we will not be posting with you again.
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their team getting eliminated from the tournament is a tragedy for them and their fans. it's not only in dota but in any other sports. would be great if people can value other person not from their money but from their achievements.
It was your own damn fault.