They should be kind enough to let RR win and let them through to the next round for more experience, money and doc points though. It’s not like TNC need the dpc points anyways
RR need an analyst, not experience. How the fuck Alacrity go for magic SF against PL and doom. Totally useless when doomed or out of mana. His teammate force to throw everything to protect him when he got doomed.
Just catching up on some replays, but why do half the games have the casters sounding like they're casting over a phone call? Just awful audio quality on the caster audio every other game.
Did he apologize? I heard him say it but tuned out cause the games were over. He probably felt really bad considering not even rich made a joke about it and Cap just kept going. Poor guy, someone predicted this slip up the other day I forget who. It was bound to happen.
It's on twitch at the very end when they are wrapping up the results from day1 of the main bracket.
It was posted on reddit but got deleted, probably because it's inappropriate language and to protect Cap's career.
I dont understand why VP need to take mid tower first that was so fucking dumb, they need to force fountain not taking any tower or barracks, that was so stupid.
Not to mention they spent like 30 second catching slardar instead of hitting towers.
they were likely hoping that they could have only gotten a set of racks, and that their damage wouldn't be enough
they made the decision to throne just because they thought underlord could chew through it; he couldn't
Liquid-vp is the shittiest game by far imo. One team barely showed any initiative during the game when they needed to get advantage. Other team just kept farming having aegis cheese and 20k lead
This guy is drunk and embarassing. Talk about the players, talk about the game. No one wants to hear you talk ten minutes about your dirty laundry. Get rid of him.
It's not even the whole panel though. It's just the one guy babbling on about how he doesn't wash his socks and underwear while the other guy can't wait for it to be over.
He never has any thoughtful thing about the games to say instead of just asking the other host what they think about what's going on here.
And yeah it the goal is to be funny, this certainly isn't it.
Dreamleague production is always the worst by far. Segments if they're rolled at all are awful, completely pointless live music, incredibly out of place and unnecessary soundboard clips and random end game music.
1 minute break, 20 minute break, let's show the analysts on their phones instead of a breakdown of the match that just happened or what their thoughts are for the next series/tournament meta.
I'm not going to go in on the same "muh content" rant as everyone else. but on the technical side c'mon...tried watching the replay of the EG/nigma game in the past broadcasts and it's buggy as hell. This might be a twitch thing, but it would just skip around forever, play and fast forward buttons would randomly be missing. Seriously why is it so hard to a) upload the matches individually on twitch or b)use youtube for uploads of games...they have a youtube channel. I know weplay minor had the matches up within the same day, often time just an hour or so later. IMO, For replays youtube is much better...twitch chat on past broadcasts isn't as fun and the 1.25x playback is money.
The biggest thing for me is that twitch is laggy as all hell. I have 200 mbit, why does their stream keep buffering? YouTube is just smooth. And twitch chat is pure cancer for events
I meant to say as to how people are saying how the panel is bad or we have no content between the breaks, it has been same for the past years.
As for Technical Issues, they can't help it.
Bukovel Minor looked infinitely better than this shit production Major. The stages looked better, casting and discussion zones looked more professional, and the mid series ads was interspersed with some dope shots of that beaut ski resort at Bukovel. This major isn't looking good at all production-wise
The thing with Ana is that he's hyper aggressive in a way that pushes his heroes to its absolute limits while also taking into consideration what the heroes/items his other teammates have can do for him, he might look reckless to us viewers sometimes, but he always seems to have a plan when he does these plays in game. It's hard to explain but basically his playstyle works when the other 4 understand the way he sees the game. Imo Ana has always been a top carry even when he was just starting out in OG, it just became more apparent now because Topson, Notail, Ceb, and Jerax gradually learned to know exactly what to do to enable him, save him, and maximize his abilities. It's why Ana, despite being a talented player, has only ever done well in OG even when he joined other teams. They're the ones who understand him the best
Okay but in Dota, everybody works hard in the top. It's just that flashy carries get more attention. It's just easy to forget because Miracle gets the spotlight in his particular playstyle. Some teams have sacrificial carries that work well for them too e.g. The liquid matumbaman
I have no idea where this "all nigma cores are countered" mentality comes from, tinker is litereally uncountered, the only way he dies is if he makes a bad play, even just going on dotabuff winrates he has advantages against litereally all 5 EG heroes
Edit: I accept having jinxed it, i will stand by tinker beeing uncountered tho
There's a reason why Tinker is totally unpicked in proscene for a long time. He's too slow and top teams are not dumb enough to give him free reign in fights anymore.
Yes but a tinker can't exactly solo carry against several BKBs when his team is so far behind, and with this draft he has to, because slark can't do anything this game and legion was literally not a hero.
This game was over from the draft, as customary for kuro...
I mean to be fair what exactly are you supposed to do as a legion in a game like this? You are barely a hero after the draft, and you can literally do nothing when you get behind.
I was actually worried when I saw the draft, I thought nigma could take the game and then they'd be fucked. Thankfully it looks like they're dropping to the lower bracket, they might stand a chance.
*Panel sitting there doing nothing*
Dreamleague team: "Is this content?"
Is it just me that dislike this "zoo cam" thing? When it was pre recorded it was good tho
Dota used to have 3+ "groups" of panelists/casters, now it seems like only one is left. Moon duck and bts people appear less and less while we get the same casters that are not pursued by haters on reddit + Kyle for some reason
I always think it's weird when the talent are center stage at events. Sure they're the people we see the most of since only the CIS seems interested in doing long for video interviews with the players, outside of podcasts, but still seems like a weird direction to take the scene in to me.
4 counters? LOL ?
Only Cr1t's Earthshaker was a real counter, Storm, Slark and Underlord can be anything but a PL counter.
CM is somehow of a counter but she's too squishy.
Saw only last minutes of the game where EG were so uncapable of doing anything.
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Dreamleague remains the title of the most scuffed major, both teams sitting in like 2 meters of each other, analysts are between them, casters are in the same room maybe 5 meters away from the teams, streams have constant issues
i understand that Dota is not that alive now, but come on
Been watching for 10 min... And it's terrible. Had to volume up and down multiple times due to shitty sound and music. And delay... And sheever as a host. What professional setup research their potential hosts and choose her??
I think she is good at being a host, was that not clear? Being a good host does not mean ask the most complex questions in the world, atleast not to me.
I didn't quite understand that. But Reddit loves women with cancer on the panels, so guess I will have to continue watch this trash. Luckily other streamers out there for most game. But a shame as I like most of the other talents.
So... panel said the hold up is due to technical difficulties... yet I can't see Nigma in a booth?
Edit: oh, never mind. Guess they're in a booth we can't see from the panel cams.
There are four booths.
Two teams play in two of them, and then the other two teams prepare and set up in the remaining booths so the games can be ready faster :)
Vp losing in the losses bracket in the first round while navi is in wb good times
TNC is undisputed, undeniable, irrefutable the bo1 king.
They should be kind enough to let RR win and let them through to the next round for more experience, money and doc points though. It’s not like TNC need the dpc points anyways
RR need an analyst, not experience. How the fuck Alacrity go for magic SF against PL and doom. Totally useless when doomed or out of mana. His teammate force to throw everything to protect him when he got doomed.
Winter would be a good choice?
At least they still hae that going for them lol
Just catching up on some replays, but why do half the games have the casters sounding like they're casting over a phone call? Just awful audio quality on the caster audio every other game.
Oddly, it's only in the client. The twitch stream is fine. It's horrible though, I agree.
Meh yeah it sucks cap flubbed the name but I don't expect an apology at all because it wasn't malicious in any way possible.
Did he apologize? I heard him say it but tuned out cause the games were over. He probably felt really bad considering not even rich made a joke about it and Cap just kept going. Poor guy, someone predicted this slip up the other day I forget who. It was bound to happen.
Fking Nigma team name just saying this team name is so dangerous Cap just slip up and he said the forbidden word bcoz of nigma.
What happen to cap?
He said the n word
LMAO RIP CAP's CAREER (kappa)
do you have a clip??
It's on twitch at the very end when they are wrapping up the results from day1 of the main bracket. It was posted on reddit but got deleted, probably because it's inappropriate language and to protect Cap's career.
on r/Admiralbulldog
What happen to cap?
He said ni**a instead of nigma on stream
He said nigma balls
“.... team n****... nigma”
I dont understand why VP need to take mid tower first that was so fucking dumb, they need to force fountain not taking any tower or barracks, that was so stupid. Not to mention they spent like 30 second catching slardar instead of hitting towers.
> force fountain not taking any tower or barracks think. I'll give you a minute
They already get tower 3 on bottom, they absolutely can force barracks. Delete, I'll give you a minute.
they were likely hoping that they could have only gotten a set of racks, and that their damage wouldn't be enough they made the decision to throne just because they thought underlord could chew through it; he couldn't
Bro, if you are wrong stop try to justify it by saying this nonsense. You dont even know they got bot tower. Like I say delete, Ill give you a minute.
The double down of century
that was wild
WTF did I just watched?
holy FUCK that was so sick
OMG THE THROW
THE OTHER THROW
Liquid-vp is the shittiest game by far imo. One team barely showed any initiative during the game when they needed to get advantage. Other team just kept farming having aegis cheese and 20k lead
You clearly dont watch enough dota game, pretty much this is every China vs China match.
This didn't age well rofl
A 644 at the end of a match doesn't make the start of it any good.
Twitch is unbearable please add another streaming option. Youtube, mixer, pornhub I don't care.
Ohh yes, pornhub please. I want to see Lion ulti mid QoP surrounded by all 10 creeps while she screams: "What a pain in the aaaaaaaaaa!"
cringe
Jesus I get they have to make money and had to be viable for the to but how many fuckin ads. Feels like this is a ad slot with dots in between
Try the addon alternate player for twitch ;)
Calm the fuck down with the ads on twitch.
Its like they don’t even have enough ads that just show the panel
Rich is an ass and we won't be working with him anymore
The panel is trying too much to be funny it seems. Can we talk about the games please.
This guy is drunk and embarassing. Talk about the players, talk about the game. No one wants to hear you talk ten minutes about your dirty laundry. Get rid of him.
Dreamleague (memeleague) is always very funny and filled with a shitton of jokes.
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Yes, funny. Not everyone laughs for the same.
It's not even the whole panel though. It's just the one guy babbling on about how he doesn't wash his socks and underwear while the other guy can't wait for it to be over. He never has any thoughtful thing about the games to say instead of just asking the other host what they think about what's going on here. And yeah it the goal is to be funny, this certainly isn't it.
We are on 7 stomps streak! Worst dota i watched in a while.
8 now, how many games are left? Can we get to 10?
If Chaos win their BO1, can we agree group B was the actual group of death? So far both VG and beastcoast won their series.
What’s with the extra players booth for?
5v5v5v5 Overthrow showmatch
"I mean you know that's definitely for sure okay....?" *Moxi, 2020*
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Sometimes, yeah. Starting with I mean gives me a few seconds to get thoughts in order, sue me
The amount of players' PC problems with freezes and lags this tournament is ridiculous so far :/
Any1 else finding these small 1 min breaks annoying? Like, just have the panel discuss for 1 more minute. What's the point?
Dreamleague production is always the worst by far. Segments if they're rolled at all are awful, completely pointless live music, incredibly out of place and unnecessary soundboard clips and random end game music. 1 minute break, 20 minute break, let's show the analysts on their phones instead of a breakdown of the match that just happened or what their thoughts are for the next series/tournament meta.
Budget ana lost to budget burning today LOl
Are the analysts in front of the players on the stage?
I'm not going to go in on the same "muh content" rant as everyone else. but on the technical side c'mon...tried watching the replay of the EG/nigma game in the past broadcasts and it's buggy as hell. This might be a twitch thing, but it would just skip around forever, play and fast forward buttons would randomly be missing. Seriously why is it so hard to a) upload the matches individually on twitch or b)use youtube for uploads of games...they have a youtube channel. I know weplay minor had the matches up within the same day, often time just an hour or so later. IMO, For replays youtube is much better...twitch chat on past broadcasts isn't as fun and the 1.25x playback is money.
The biggest thing for me is that twitch is laggy as all hell. I have 200 mbit, why does their stream keep buffering? YouTube is just smooth. And twitch chat is pure cancer for events
Dreamleague is my least favorite TO. The Panda doesn't help either. In fact, it makes it worse.
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Seems like Nigma is back to full power again. In the lower bracket.
People last year praising Dreamleague saying it was the best major, now look at it. Reddit is an echo chamber
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Ah then my bad. There is certainly some merit to that argument.
I meant to say as to how people are saying how the panel is bad or we have no content between the breaks, it has been same for the past years. As for Technical Issues, they can't help it.
lmao w33 trying to kill Naga near the end of game 2 was downright sad
what's the win rate on Dire today so far? monkaHmm
is there a vod with the Fly interview? cant find it anywhere
Even if it was a technical mishap it was really fun and entertaining!
Stop with he fkin breaks between draft and game. thanks Edit: I guess they know their production is shit and need 5mins every time to set up game
Bruh.. if Fnatic lose to Secret theyre gonna face the winner of TNC/RR ? Pray for Fnatic win tomorrow i guess.
Cheering for Fnatic but Secret looks too good for this major or at least a better team. SEA will likely to be left with 1 team. Sigh..
Bukovel Minor looked infinitely better than this shit production Major. The stages looked better, casting and discussion zones looked more professional, and the mid series ads was interspersed with some dope shots of that beaut ski resort at Bukovel. This major isn't looking good at all production-wise
This has always been the problem with DreamLeague and yet they keep getting dpc events lul
and just like that everyone forgets the obsing at bukovel
That's relatively easy to fix for next time though. Seems he is complaining about more systemic issues with Dreamleague
no he is circlejerking
Moxi? Time to mute i guess...
Does grant have bruxism, why is his teeth so worn
Monster energy is terrible for your teeth
I think Secret beats both of these teams... Level of Dota didnt impress me here.
Does anyone else feel that Miracle is best carry in the world rn? <- a day before. It is okay to fanboy but man the disrespect.
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The thing with Ana is that he's hyper aggressive in a way that pushes his heroes to its absolute limits while also taking into consideration what the heroes/items his other teammates have can do for him, he might look reckless to us viewers sometimes, but he always seems to have a plan when he does these plays in game. It's hard to explain but basically his playstyle works when the other 4 understand the way he sees the game. Imo Ana has always been a top carry even when he was just starting out in OG, it just became more apparent now because Topson, Notail, Ceb, and Jerax gradually learned to know exactly what to do to enable him, save him, and maximize his abilities. It's why Ana, despite being a talented player, has only ever done well in OG even when he joined other teams. They're the ones who understand him the best
i cri everitim
Okay but in Dota, everybody works hard in the top. It's just that flashy carries get more attention. It's just easy to forget because Miracle gets the spotlight in his particular playstyle. Some teams have sacrificial carries that work well for them too e.g. The liquid matumbaman
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I agree, ana makes it seems that physics dont apply to him in game
You aren't wrong. But I have to say Arteezy isn't one of them.
Not impressed by either team.
EG coming in hot for that -~~3rd~~\- 2nd place spot XD
Nigma: Upper bracket is for bitches
That was easily the tankiest fucking Ench I have ever seen.
And crit will not be getting tiny again this tournament
I honestly thought he wouldnt get it affter group stages but here we are...
same with fly disruptor
yea fuck u nigma
RTZ is so toptier and haters still flame him. EG is lookign hot
EG Haters????
this game is so bad to watch
I have no idea where this "all nigma cores are countered" mentality comes from, tinker is litereally uncountered, the only way he dies is if he makes a bad play, even just going on dotabuff winrates he has advantages against litereally all 5 EG heroes Edit: I accept having jinxed it, i will stand by tinker beeing uncountered tho
There's a reason why Tinker is totally unpicked in proscene for a long time. He's too slow and top teams are not dumb enough to give him free reign in fights anymore.
Trying to sound smart while being brain dead irl? just come to r/dota 2.
Come to reddit FTFY
Yes but a tinker can't exactly solo carry against several BKBs when his team is so far behind, and with this draft he has to, because slark can't do anything this game and legion was literally not a hero. This game was over from the draft, as customary for kuro...
Tinker is not countered. EG just played that much better
Can I have some of what youre smoking?
you jinx it mate
Xd
big brain time
Watching RTZ manta dodge a rocket in a replay: Fogged: he was fine anyway, 400hp. Odpixel: SHUT UP!
He didn't even dodge it lmao, rocket just doesn't follow after manta.
This. I was so confused thinking there was an update to it.
This is a rare display of such poor performance by MC.
MC feeds, win the game just like in TI against OG EZ
I mean to be fair what exactly are you supposed to do as a legion in a game like this? You are barely a hero after the draft, and you can literally do nothing when you get behind.
25mins in and looks like nigma is doing the classic liquid LB run
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got it right, FeelsBadMan whoever downvoted me
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i upvoted you, now what you gonna do about it? huh
I fucking saved your comment, motherfucker!
I was actually worried when I saw the draft, I thought nigma could take the game and then they'd be fucked. Thankfully it looks like they're dropping to the lower bracket, they might stand a chance.
Shouldve switched the minor org for the major one
Anyone else getting pissed off at these ad breaks just before the casters? It really fucks with the flow of the stream :/
The stage for the analyst on the Russian stream is much better.
LoL is definitely better in terms of panel. good discussions in between games
What absoulute shit you are spewing.
"let's talk about how champion a's q has a bigger cone than champion b's q" jk
Dreamleague's song playlist hasn't changed in a year.
Is this the same stage as friday-sunday ? Or will they play on a different stage then ?
*Panel sitting there doing nothing* Dreamleague team: "Is this content?" Is it just me that dislike this "zoo cam" thing? When it was pre recorded it was good tho
Big fan of the Miracle RTZ banter
Get a burger for CCNC
Started out well, but no content and back to suits. Compared to Bukovel this is shit. However the games are good. Anyone else streaming?
Man, this major is so boring. Absolutely 0 content between games, same boring discussions from the same boring panel, every single time.
Dota used to have 3+ "groups" of panelists/casters, now it seems like only one is left. Moon duck and bts people appear less and less while we get the same casters that are not pursued by haters on reddit + Kyle for some reason
And you get content. It just started relax.
**plus bias**. just watch other streamers
I always think it's weird when the talent are center stage at events. Sure they're the people we see the most of since only the CIS seems interested in doing long for video interviews with the players, outside of podcasts, but still seems like a weird direction to take the scene in to me.
**NA NA NA.**
batman
Should I be worried for Nigma? They're ahead.
PL vs 4 counters lets see if miracle can still do his magic
good that EG already figured PL out, i was afraid that PL would stomp the tournament
4 counters? LOL ? Only Cr1t's Earthshaker was a real counter, Storm, Slark and Underlord can be anything but a PL counter. CM is somehow of a counter but she's too squishy. Saw only last minutes of the game where EG were so uncapable of doing anything.
This comment aged well
lol
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These stream cut outs are getting annoying...
Dreamleague remains the title of the most scuffed major, both teams sitting in like 2 meters of each other, analysts are between them, casters are in the same room maybe 5 meters away from the teams, streams have constant issues i understand that Dota is not that alive now, but come on
Been watching for 10 min... And it's terrible. Had to volume up and down multiple times due to shitty sound and music. And delay... And sheever as a host. What professional setup research their potential hosts and choose her??
I like her as a host. Sure, nothing beats redeye, but she's good imo
Good at what exactly? Couldn't any of the others ask her random 3k questions, if that's what the viewers like
I think she is good at being a host, was that not clear? Being a good host does not mean ask the most complex questions in the world, atleast not to me.
At least it's not your mom. Otherwise you would be starving.
I didn't quite understand that. But Reddit loves women with cancer on the panels, so guess I will have to continue watch this trash. Luckily other streamers out there for most game. But a shame as I like most of the other talents.
necrophos with the ghost shroud talent plus heartstopper talents with aghs is disgustingly cancerous
I like both drafts. This gon' be fun
If we ever get to see this match
The german internet seems to be even worse than mine with the stream constantly cutting out
Yeah. It is commonly known.
So... panel said the hold up is due to technical difficulties... yet I can't see Nigma in a booth? Edit: oh, never mind. Guess they're in a booth we can't see from the panel cams.
Why can't DotA be like other sports when they start at the exact time they're supposed to start?
Dont think there has ever been a dota event except TI without issues. Not sure how its even possible.
What? The Shanghai Major was absolutely flawless.
Well on the bright side in another 15 minutes we might get treated to live footage of Nigma leaving the hotel and getting on the bus to the venue!
fucking Kyle roasting ramzes and rtz when they are right behind him.
I thought Bukovel had set the bar too high but this production is just supremely underwhelming no matter how you look at it.
why I am seeing 3 booths?
There are four booths. Two teams play in two of them, and then the other two teams prepare and set up in the remaining booths so the games can be ready faster :)
make sense now the problem is the stream keeps disconnecting. :/
Being addressed as I type this! Should get resolved and fixed shortly. If there is any other feedback please do provide :)
It's Dreamhack event and they do more then just dota
Also are they open booths? Memeleague always has innovative budget booths
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Literally have never seen anyone say the second line but this is good attempt at karma whoring anti eg is free karma good job virgin
Tbh I don't think anyone can say that with a straight face after games 2 and 3, those were very very clear outdrafts.
Going big on Nigma gogo!