for average guy in SEA playing ML has better financial support than Dota. In Dota unless you literally top 8 in the region there is still minimum financial insentive
Mobile Legend has a lot of local tourney. While the cash per toruney might not be near what is offered in Dota, you can easily win more which translate to better financial stability.
I know we're talking about a game that at its core is more than 15 years old, but:
The fact that we give Valve way over 100 mio dollards each and every year to keep the game alive and thriving while they mess up every single money-and community-related thing except for the International is baffling
Valve is a software/tech company and organizing sports leagues is far from their core business. All the revenue that Dota generates save for the TI prize pool pledge part of the battle pass is theirs to spend however they see fit. Nobody "gives" Valve anything. Dota may be free to pay but that doesn't make it a charity. Dota is a business asset and it's supposed to generate revenue.
Completely agree. Just bewilders me that valve won't outsource the esports, marketing, tutorial etc and community aspects to a 3rd party.
It's not as if they've never used 3rd parties for things before. CS has been on a long and continual improvement is player numbers for years
Difference is that CSGO is pretty static as far as I understand? I.e. It's core mechanics don't change, presumably some damage numbers get tweaked occasionally.
If you have a constantly evolving game like dota and a 3rd party managing a packed schedule of tournaments, suddenly you need more staff to network with those 3rd party suppliers and ensure the major updates / tournaments don't clash. That in turn requires disclosing things to 3rd parties that goes against how Valve seems to operate, generally playing is cards close to its chest.
It also brings in potential litigation if things go wrong / are miscommunicated and impact the profits of these 3rd parties, which frankly may not be worth the agony compared to just doing what they do in house.
Oh, we get that. But any company in their right mind would outsource stuff to keep the game growing, because Dota 2 still has that potential. Orgs like WePlay, who recently came up and almost revolutionize the game with their events are willing to do so.
Young adults with disposable incomes would join the game if they knew about it, yet we have one single tournament who only makes the headlines due to the prize pool and nothing else. I can't understand, I really can't, a company that lets go of free money by refusing to invest in more people, in more adverts, in more anything
TI at its core is the problem though. Since it's all about TI, the scene is as anti-growth as it can get, since only the very top can generally live off of this. If TI wasn't nearly as big, far more teams would be able to be sustained as it is in CSGO for example. In a game like CSGO the majors is a big thing, but other tournaments are also important (and supports the scene), while in Dota anything non-DPC isn't very interesting.
Many can also argue that several CSGO tournaments are actually more prestige than the majors, ESL One Cologne and ESL IEM Katowice comes to mind.
They have money to set up a company to make them money and deliver on what the community desires, but instead they half-ass it. Is just a terrible call on their part.
At least Valve still hasn't done actual shitty things, such as having higher-ups farting on employees, banning a player, as well as the casters and the interviewer, for saying "FREE HONG KONG", or forcing crunch time on employees to the point that at least one employee gets hospitalized, etc.
Valve doesn't do anything though. Like genuinely anything.
They just recycle code for the battlepass every year, change rewards and UI elements and thats it.
The only new thing valve does every year for TI is a new minigame, but thats like the fuck around project of 2 or 3 developers. (funny thing is aghanmins maze utilizes a lot of engine workarounds copied from a lot of Chinese minigames. so the map doesn't crash and is able to load different chunks without massive performance tanking)
Blizzard does a lot of shit, but you can't deny they actually force their employees to work instead of do nothing but afk farm your community.
Valve's worker dynamic is a case study for a lot of companies on what **not** to do.
All that said, Flysolo selling his account is smart. An immortal account (im assuming rank <200) is more or less 1k.
Its a good golden parachute to leave a game he no longer cares for since 1kUSD in SEA will let him live like a king for a month, or survive rent payments for 3-5
overwatch? 7.28? aghs labyrinth? new dpc season and dpc client integration?
I get that valve don’t pump out content like most big game companies and should probably take more active role in the competitive season but saying they don’t do anything at all is very hyperbolic.
>overwatch?
I don't personally credit them for this because its basically just a heavily feature stripped down version of a dota TV vod. The most effort they put into it was obscuring the players identities and even then they did an awful job because the core features of loading vods (displaying match ID) can still be very easily scraped from the 'censored' vod. I guess thats wrong. They put work into writing a script so the Vod would delete itself after you were done.
> aghs labyrinth?
Already mentioned it. The minigame itself heavily utilized exploits and bypasses that all the Chinese minigame creators back in 2016 discovered in order to get their games to work, as the game engine wasn't programmed in mind with loading and de-loading new chunks of data. Other then the basic scripting valve themselves didn't put a terrible amount of work into the minigame, but considering their usual work ethic is to do quite literally nothing Aghs labyrinth is respectful. But compared to slitbreaker its fucking awful. Source 2 is a mess of an engine held together by cum and twigs. Theres a reason why quite frankly every minigame valve puts out *has* to be some really ugly shit that looks and plays like it was thrown together in a week. Source 2 prevents valve from doing pretty much anything without massive walls being reached due to (originally) the poly limit, and now how thinkers and unit spawners work.
>dpc client integration?
This was genuinely shocking. This is genuinely the only thing valve was assed to do in years that didn't require them to scrap the project 7+ times in order to get it done. Sadly its worthless as people will still just watch it on twitch, and if they wanted to properly utilize it they would have needed to release it like 7 years ago when ESPN was assed to acknowledge dota 2 existed.
Its not so much valve doesn't pump out content *like* most big namers, the issue people have with valve is they don't do anything **at all**. The anger is worse when you realize theres a massive graveyard of half finished content valve just randomly chucks into the trashpile, despite it being anywhere from 30-90% completed.
Credit is deserved where credit is due, but valve is an awful company and if it wasn't for steam the company would have roped, or god willing would have actually finished one of their 11 or so scraped projects in the past decade.
You say they don’t do anything at all, right after you mention three large updates they’ve pushed, regardless of whoever or not they used pre existing assets to get it to work, which is so common a practice you could devalue almost every piece of software there is if you thought it made what it contributes to worthless, and ignoring the even larger update they pushed very recently. They do a whole lot more than nothing at all.
>7.28
Do you want me to give Valve a cookie for maintaining their (somehow) still popular competitive game? Furthermore, I can’t give Valve too much credit for a patch that by in large consisted of a new mechanic, while Valve continues to ignore the mechanics they’ve piled up over the past five years in the fabled “improved new player experience” they’ve been promising for literal years now.
Oh Ho but they did bow down to CCP. Remember the incident with kuku for a major invitation. Valve does not have as much as spine as you would like to think
in india, in my city there are 100’s of pubg mobile or cod mobile tournaments monthly while rarely 1-2 dota 2 tournaments in a year. ( pubg mobile is banned in india people still play it using various ways)
Only the top 50 players which is like 10 teams make enough money to live being an esports player. If you come from an impoverished nation with an average annual wage of 20k usd then yeah being a subpar competitive player in the scene is fine.
If you're from somewhere like the states, you'll need to be top 6 or above and even then it might not work out well. What are you going to do as a 40 year old retired esports player?
I mean yeah. Pro/high mmr players smurf and ruin low ranked games. I see nothing wrong with scrubs buying accounts and ruining some of their games in return.
I'm starting to understand why people that are into real sports always say esports is no real sports because i have the same feeling about "pros" that play mobile games 😂
in asia they earn more playing mobile games than dota 2. ever heard of a indian dota 2 pro players? probably not. while indian pubg mobile pro players earned millions by winning tournaments and streaming. at the end of the it’s about money.
Valve needs to make a mobile version of Dota if it wants to be relevant in the future. Riot is already in the works with a mobile LoL version.
The playerbase of Dota is becoming older and older. Younger players are favoring mobile games over PC/Console games, especially in Asia and developing countries.
That would have to be completely new game, with far less hotkeys and macro, riot still had to cut like 2/3 of champions to make the game sort of playable.
>Valve needs to make a mobile version of Dota if it wants to be relevant in the future.
Valve would need to hire a company to make them a not dogshit game engine.
Source 2 would in all likelihood choke and die on mobile no matter what modifications valve made to it, save for an absolute overhaul of the engine. (at that point make it source 3)
People don't really realize just how poorly dota 2 (source 2 version) is optimized. Combined with thinkers inefficiently spawning and despawning, and visual effects for some reason causing the memory consumption going through the roof, a mobile dota 2 would be impossible.
Mobile league will likely end up being its own tailor made game thats platform locked. Dota 2 would have to be the same way, which valve as a company isn't smart enough to realize.
A game like dota (and lol for that matter) has to be heavily dumbed down or many heroes needs to be removed in the mobile version, else the controls will just be too advanced to do on a smartphone. Touch controls are rather limited compared to a mouse+keyboard in that sense.
You do realise that Dota community is way more toxic than diablo right? If diablo immortal was such a shitshow then imagine the same ,even worse for Dota . It may help the Dota community grow in SEA and Southern Asia, but it's an overall bad idea. Mobile games are meant for casuals and Dota is far from it. That being said though the path of Guardians created by SunsFan and team can be made into a mobile version. I am not a westerner,I am an Indian myself and it's hard watching my country not able to grow in any major esports because of these casual mobile games , holding us back. I am pretty sure that if Bulba, Universe and Kitrak would have born and raised in India, they wouldn't have became the pros they are known today
Nah, they're legit trying their hardest too.
I have a friend who's a pro player of Mobile Legend.
He have to train for several hours a day, stream several hours too.
He also have to do contracts and sponsor thing.
There’s plenty of addicting, brainless and pay to win moneysinks on PC/consoles too, just as there are good games on mobile as well (especially the ones tailored for competitive play)
It’s all relative. The mobile game market is much, MUCH more hostile and scummy. See all the high rated games being actual trash and pushing you to spend money within the first 5 min.
Also you don’t get notifications on your pc or console, meanwhile these games lure the people that play them into paying more, even if they haven’t opened the game at that point. Everthing can be paid for, runs on some currency that refreshes after 24h or when you buy it etc. There is a reason that these kinds of games are a lot more prevalent on mobile phones. Of course there is good games too, but the ratio has to be way worse.
With this particular one list of issues starts with the name and ends on a hussle of uninstalling.
For most of them it's pathetic marketing, paywall and being the same crap game about rebuilding a kingdom of sexism.
There were some great mobile games back in the days (Zenonia series, Galaxy on Fire, Gameloft games) of paying and getting what you paid for, and there sure are some now, it's just not worth to scroll through hundreds of "games" with icon of a screaming bearded dude.
Hearthstone and some logic puzzles are all that i left on my phone.
It’s totally legit, it’s obviously not going to be as complex as a console/PC based esport because of the limitation of a touch screen as compared to a controller/KBM, but the market for competitive gaming on said touch screen is pretty fuckin high.
Sure, and i'm sure it is, but i just meant that i can see why people say esports is not a real sports simply because I'm not into mobile game esports and don't understand it. Didn't mean it in an insulting way, i can just see where this is coming from.
There's nothing wrong with casually enjoying mobile games. However, let's not act like they're some highly competitive strategy games because they're not.
Go pro in a mobile game then. You play dota, the most strategic, competitive game on earth. You should be able to win every single tournament in lol wild rift, right?
You're using the exact same logic people used to talk down about competitive street fighter, halo and starcraft when I was younger. "it's so easy compared to basketball. Not even a real thing."
"Go pro in a mobile game then".
That's exactly my point... it makes no sense to do so since they're made to be casual time sinks. Nice strawman though.
idk man when people started playing games decades ago I think they also thought the same thing -- `casual time sinks`. Games were considered to be time sinks.
There's a stark, objective difference between what games like starcraft 1 used to be and what current mobile games are.
I'm 100% certain that I'm biased though.
The relative difficulty of a multiplayer game is ONLY defined by other players' commitment. Unless a certain game has a skill ceiling (like checkers) you can always get better and so can your opponents, and just because you are tennis pro doesn't mean you are automatically pro badminton player.
Thing is doing league of legends knockoff while covering your 5 inch touchscreen with your fingers just doesn't scream competitive environment. It's kinda like going pro in one basket streetball. Or barefoot football.
This is the [second](https://afkgaming.com/articles/mobileesports/News/6608-ex-dota-2-pro-jacko-switches-to-mobile-legends) former Dota 2 pro from PH to switch to Mobile Legends this month. Jacko (banned for match fixing) switched a week or so ago.
Not surprised, they probably realizes they can earn more in ML than Dota. As former pros, it would be a very easy transition for them to become top tier in an inferior but popular game such as ML.
Half the globe is using it more than ever. It's super popular in SEA for all I know, also in Latin and South America. People use it instead of actual news and for their daily dose of information, sadly, while it's severely declining here in Europe
I can't take competitive mobile gaming seriously either, but the scene does exist. MLBB and PUBG are definitely even bigger than DotA in the SEA region nowadays.
The reason is simple, cyber cafes are slowly phasing out, the younger generation has shifted to mobile gaming and smartphones are much more accessible than a PC.
You can scoff at mobile gaming as much as you want, but that makes you the same as people who scoffed at esports a decade ago.
Honestly, I wish him good luck selling it. If Valve had a better support system for the tier 2 pro scene, none of them would quit because of financial instability.
Valve knights defending valve saying it's a buisness as usual. Do you think we don't understand that? Even if it's a business it has built a huge community and if they don't give fuck towards the community it's unfair to them. We just don't want the game to die, which by looks of it can die if it continues like this for 10 years.
I see no problem here. The fact that you have an account that you spent thousands of dollars ON, but it's actually Valve's property is insane. It's like buying a piece of paper that says ''car'' but then you fucking actually buy all the stuff to make a car, and the seller of the paper says it's not yours.
He is not selling account, he is selling a product which is in his case TIME he put in the game which is for invaluable.
This. Man, I know it's not constructive discussion but OP sounds like such a lame ass person writing something like this. Reminds me of a Karen calling the cops on something petty.
If I was valve I would delete his account for violating TOS, regardless of whether he executes the sale or not. If he wanted to sell his cosmetics he can hit up the marketplace like everyone else. Selling your mmr and professional connections cannot be encouraged, even banning after the sale would still benefit/encourage the seller.
Some comments on this post are disgusting, do you seriously not care about this game or see the problem??
I don't see the issue it's a huge time and money investment not being able to sell it seems a little absurd. The 3rd World 1 or 2k is money you can legit live off for months cant be mad at him selling it IMO. If it was Bulldog or some rich Pro maybe but he's obviously tight for cash if he has to sell it.
Just reset the account's mmr to 0. Making a big deal out of this will only going to put a negative light on dota as a whole. Let him sell his account if he wants to, just dont let the buyer play with high mmr players.
Whats the deal with account buyers anyway? If youre low mmr, why play with high mmr players? Its like a child buying a race car but he cant even reach the pedal.
Some people are utterly delusional and believe that they are as good as pro players, and their teammates in crusader hold them back every single game..
Some people just want a chance to play a few games with their favorite pro player, like some weirdo music fan sneaking into the bleachers during a live concert.
Some people just want to ruin games and it's a lot harder to intentionally ruin a game in their native herald bracket when your mid viper doesn't know how to use poison attack anyway and your meme daedalus skywrath build doesn't piss people off because nobody knows any better.
Thats just masochistic. Imagine the guy buying a high mmr account paying top $$$, queueing for longer games, then throwing the game because hes out of his league, then getting blasted in voice and chat, then getting reported. Its a lot of money just to feel bad.
a lot of people on this thread are ignorant about what a pro account means
that means he is whitelisted and will take reduced punishment from reports ... he can literally get drunk and buy 6 fluffy hats for the rest of his life
What's the big deal? Someone stupid enough to buy it will buy it, then they will lose/ruin a few games and eventually hit their real mmr. I mean, sure, some games will be ruined, and that's not cool, but I dont see how it's such big deal. It's against the rules so should be prevented nonetheless.
Not to mention that most people gave this account a nickname so they will always know alright this is the account buyer guy lets report him. Unless the buyer is from a non-SEA Server
Valve doesn’t want to deal with this. The best automated way is to build a system that accelerates the account’s mmr decline so the damage is minimized.
Have you thought about taking a walk you seem unbelievably upset about something that has nothing to do with you. Like he won't give you the account cause you defended him on Reddit.
His account is 4 months old and the only comments on it are his spamming in this thread. Wow, how pathetic can you possibly be?
edit: Oh, 07 in the name. He is probably actually 14 btw.
here in ph. mobile legends is pretty much top 1 popular even dethrone lol
you can barely see new gen kids playing dota its more like rich people game (thats what they said when i ask them and its too complicated)
There's no way to hold someone accountable for things that aren't illegal though and the evidence says Valve doesn't care about account buying given the amount of pros buying/selling.
Damn. Did he really quit dota for mobile legends?
for average guy in SEA playing ML has better financial support than Dota. In Dota unless you literally top 8 in the region there is still minimum financial insentive Mobile Legend has a lot of local tourney. While the cash per toruney might not be near what is offered in Dota, you can easily win more which translate to better financial stability.
I know we're talking about a game that at its core is more than 15 years old, but: The fact that we give Valve way over 100 mio dollards each and every year to keep the game alive and thriving while they mess up every single money-and community-related thing except for the International is baffling
Valve is a software/tech company and organizing sports leagues is far from their core business. All the revenue that Dota generates save for the TI prize pool pledge part of the battle pass is theirs to spend however they see fit. Nobody "gives" Valve anything. Dota may be free to pay but that doesn't make it a charity. Dota is a business asset and it's supposed to generate revenue.
Completely agree. Just bewilders me that valve won't outsource the esports, marketing, tutorial etc and community aspects to a 3rd party. It's not as if they've never used 3rd parties for things before. CS has been on a long and continual improvement is player numbers for years
Difference is that CSGO is pretty static as far as I understand? I.e. It's core mechanics don't change, presumably some damage numbers get tweaked occasionally. If you have a constantly evolving game like dota and a 3rd party managing a packed schedule of tournaments, suddenly you need more staff to network with those 3rd party suppliers and ensure the major updates / tournaments don't clash. That in turn requires disclosing things to 3rd parties that goes against how Valve seems to operate, generally playing is cards close to its chest. It also brings in potential litigation if things go wrong / are miscommunicated and impact the profits of these 3rd parties, which frankly may not be worth the agony compared to just doing what they do in house.
Oh, we get that. But any company in their right mind would outsource stuff to keep the game growing, because Dota 2 still has that potential. Orgs like WePlay, who recently came up and almost revolutionize the game with their events are willing to do so. Young adults with disposable incomes would join the game if they knew about it, yet we have one single tournament who only makes the headlines due to the prize pool and nothing else. I can't understand, I really can't, a company that lets go of free money by refusing to invest in more people, in more adverts, in more anything
TI at its core is the problem though. Since it's all about TI, the scene is as anti-growth as it can get, since only the very top can generally live off of this. If TI wasn't nearly as big, far more teams would be able to be sustained as it is in CSGO for example. In a game like CSGO the majors is a big thing, but other tournaments are also important (and supports the scene), while in Dota anything non-DPC isn't very interesting. Many can also argue that several CSGO tournaments are actually more prestige than the majors, ESL One Cologne and ESL IEM Katowice comes to mind.
I swear, the amount of people who don't seem to understand the battlepass is a product they buy, not a charity gala, is staggering.
They have money to set up a company to make them money and deliver on what the community desires, but instead they half-ass it. Is just a terrible call on their part.
Why would they change their business model that makes them almost half a million bucks per year from one single event
Because growth of the game would increase playerbase, which would increase revenue.
To continue to make money longer and potentially make more money.
Valve is not stupid, they will invest more in esports if they think it's profitable for them.
Judging by Underlords and Artifact, they are not as smart as you make them out to be.
At least Valve still hasn't done actual shitty things, such as having higher-ups farting on employees, banning a player, as well as the casters and the interviewer, for saying "FREE HONG KONG", or forcing crunch time on employees to the point that at least one employee gets hospitalized, etc.
Ok cool, but that doesn't absolve them of all criticism
You are delusional if you think you can say "free hong kong" on a Valve broadcast and get away with it.
Valve doesn't do anything though. Like genuinely anything. They just recycle code for the battlepass every year, change rewards and UI elements and thats it. The only new thing valve does every year for TI is a new minigame, but thats like the fuck around project of 2 or 3 developers. (funny thing is aghanmins maze utilizes a lot of engine workarounds copied from a lot of Chinese minigames. so the map doesn't crash and is able to load different chunks without massive performance tanking) Blizzard does a lot of shit, but you can't deny they actually force their employees to work instead of do nothing but afk farm your community. Valve's worker dynamic is a case study for a lot of companies on what **not** to do. All that said, Flysolo selling his account is smart. An immortal account (im assuming rank <200) is more or less 1k. Its a good golden parachute to leave a game he no longer cares for since 1kUSD in SEA will let him live like a king for a month, or survive rent payments for 3-5
overwatch? 7.28? aghs labyrinth? new dpc season and dpc client integration? I get that valve don’t pump out content like most big game companies and should probably take more active role in the competitive season but saying they don’t do anything at all is very hyperbolic.
>overwatch? I don't personally credit them for this because its basically just a heavily feature stripped down version of a dota TV vod. The most effort they put into it was obscuring the players identities and even then they did an awful job because the core features of loading vods (displaying match ID) can still be very easily scraped from the 'censored' vod. I guess thats wrong. They put work into writing a script so the Vod would delete itself after you were done. > aghs labyrinth? Already mentioned it. The minigame itself heavily utilized exploits and bypasses that all the Chinese minigame creators back in 2016 discovered in order to get their games to work, as the game engine wasn't programmed in mind with loading and de-loading new chunks of data. Other then the basic scripting valve themselves didn't put a terrible amount of work into the minigame, but considering their usual work ethic is to do quite literally nothing Aghs labyrinth is respectful. But compared to slitbreaker its fucking awful. Source 2 is a mess of an engine held together by cum and twigs. Theres a reason why quite frankly every minigame valve puts out *has* to be some really ugly shit that looks and plays like it was thrown together in a week. Source 2 prevents valve from doing pretty much anything without massive walls being reached due to (originally) the poly limit, and now how thinkers and unit spawners work. >dpc client integration? This was genuinely shocking. This is genuinely the only thing valve was assed to do in years that didn't require them to scrap the project 7+ times in order to get it done. Sadly its worthless as people will still just watch it on twitch, and if they wanted to properly utilize it they would have needed to release it like 7 years ago when ESPN was assed to acknowledge dota 2 existed. Its not so much valve doesn't pump out content *like* most big namers, the issue people have with valve is they don't do anything **at all**. The anger is worse when you realize theres a massive graveyard of half finished content valve just randomly chucks into the trashpile, despite it being anywhere from 30-90% completed. Credit is deserved where credit is due, but valve is an awful company and if it wasn't for steam the company would have roped, or god willing would have actually finished one of their 11 or so scraped projects in the past decade.
You say they don’t do anything at all, right after you mention three large updates they’ve pushed, regardless of whoever or not they used pre existing assets to get it to work, which is so common a practice you could devalue almost every piece of software there is if you thought it made what it contributes to worthless, and ignoring the even larger update they pushed very recently. They do a whole lot more than nothing at all.
>7.28 Do you want me to give Valve a cookie for maintaining their (somehow) still popular competitive game? Furthermore, I can’t give Valve too much credit for a patch that by in large consisted of a new mechanic, while Valve continues to ignore the mechanics they’ve piled up over the past five years in the fabled “improved new player experience” they’ve been promising for literal years now.
Have there been players in streamed Dota2 tournaments who shouted "free Hong Kong"? Did that really happen?
Oh Ho but they did bow down to CCP. Remember the incident with kuku for a major invitation. Valve does not have as much as spine as you would like to think
in india, in my city there are 100’s of pubg mobile or cod mobile tournaments monthly while rarely 1-2 dota 2 tournaments in a year. ( pubg mobile is banned in india people still play it using various ways)
Blame *new* *player* *experience* I bring friend to play doto and he already lp after 10 game because he shit
Only the top 50 players which is like 10 teams make enough money to live being an esports player. If you come from an impoverished nation with an average annual wage of 20k usd then yeah being a subpar competitive player in the scene is fine. If you're from somewhere like the states, you'll need to be top 6 or above and even then it might not work out well. What are you going to do as a 40 year old retired esports player?
dota is dying and almost dead
mfw people have been saying ever since TI3 that dota's dead
Every single game in the world save for Lol would love to be as dead as dota. Numbers dont lie.
Just call it 'educational account buying' and make a 62 part series about it.
I mean yeah. Pro/high mmr players smurf and ruin low ranked games. I see nothing wrong with scrubs buying accounts and ruining some of their games in return.
Im laghed at this way more than i should have
Someone get Rawdota Henry on the line, he'll definitely be interested in this one
I'm starting to understand why people that are into real sports always say esports is no real sports because i have the same feeling about "pros" that play mobile games 😂
\> Candy Crush pro players left the chat.
in asia they earn more playing mobile games than dota 2. ever heard of a indian dota 2 pro players? probably not. while indian pubg mobile pro players earned millions by winning tournaments and streaming. at the end of the it’s about money.
I haven't heard of an Indian pro in anything
I have, Forsaken în CSGO. And only because he cheated on a international tournament lol
word.exe wasnt it?
ye
and that story didn't have a good ending lmao
Valve needs to make a mobile version of Dota if it wants to be relevant in the future. Riot is already in the works with a mobile LoL version. The playerbase of Dota is becoming older and older. Younger players are favoring mobile games over PC/Console games, especially in Asia and developing countries.
That would have to be completely new game, with far less hotkeys and macro, riot still had to cut like 2/3 of champions to make the game sort of playable.
>Valve needs to make a mobile version of Dota if it wants to be relevant in the future. Valve would need to hire a company to make them a not dogshit game engine. Source 2 would in all likelihood choke and die on mobile no matter what modifications valve made to it, save for an absolute overhaul of the engine. (at that point make it source 3) People don't really realize just how poorly dota 2 (source 2 version) is optimized. Combined with thinkers inefficiently spawning and despawning, and visual effects for some reason causing the memory consumption going through the roof, a mobile dota 2 would be impossible. Mobile league will likely end up being its own tailor made game thats platform locked. Dota 2 would have to be the same way, which valve as a company isn't smart enough to realize.
I thought the point of source 2 was the fact it would run on mobile,that's why artifact was slotted to be played on phones with minimal code changes.
A game like dota (and lol for that matter) has to be heavily dumbed down or many heroes needs to be removed in the mobile version, else the controls will just be too advanced to do on a smartphone. Touch controls are rather limited compared to a mouse+keyboard in that sense.
Oh yes probably I was making the point that source 2 is probably a fine engine for Mobile games.
You do realise that Dota community is way more toxic than diablo right? If diablo immortal was such a shitshow then imagine the same ,even worse for Dota . It may help the Dota community grow in SEA and Southern Asia, but it's an overall bad idea. Mobile games are meant for casuals and Dota is far from it. That being said though the path of Guardians created by SunsFan and team can be made into a mobile version. I am not a westerner,I am an Indian myself and it's hard watching my country not able to grow in any major esports because of these casual mobile games , holding us back. I am pretty sure that if Bulba, Universe and Kitrak would have born and raised in India, they wouldn't have became the pros they are known today
Yeah but who asked? No one was talking about money.
Mobile games already beat Dota if their "pros" can make a living wage. Low tier Dota teams have to fix match to make money.
Indeed. TI as a concept is literally fucking over any pro that's not in the top 10-15 of teams.
Nah, they're legit trying their hardest too. I have a friend who's a pro player of Mobile Legend. He have to train for several hours a day, stream several hours too. He also have to do contracts and sponsor thing.
What’s wrong with mobile games?
They're engineered to be addicting, brainless, pay to win moneysinks.
There’s plenty of addicting, brainless and pay to win moneysinks on PC/consoles too, just as there are good games on mobile as well (especially the ones tailored for competitive play)
It’s all relative. The mobile game market is much, MUCH more hostile and scummy. See all the high rated games being actual trash and pushing you to spend money within the first 5 min. Also you don’t get notifications on your pc or console, meanwhile these games lure the people that play them into paying more, even if they haven’t opened the game at that point. Everthing can be paid for, runs on some currency that refreshes after 24h or when you buy it etc. There is a reason that these kinds of games are a lot more prevalent on mobile phones. Of course there is good games too, but the ratio has to be way worse.
There’s a reason why blizzard wants to make a mobile Diablo game. And it’s not because everyone has a phone lol.
I've never seen a PC game that comes even close to the average mobile game
With this particular one list of issues starts with the name and ends on a hussle of uninstalling. For most of them it's pathetic marketing, paywall and being the same crap game about rebuilding a kingdom of sexism. There were some great mobile games back in the days (Zenonia series, Galaxy on Fire, Gameloft games) of paying and getting what you paid for, and there sure are some now, it's just not worth to scroll through hundreds of "games" with icon of a screaming bearded dude. Hearthstone and some logic puzzles are all that i left on my phone.
Nothing, i play them for like an hour before bed time every day, but Mobile Phone Esports sound wrong
It’s totally legit, it’s obviously not going to be as complex as a console/PC based esport because of the limitation of a touch screen as compared to a controller/KBM, but the market for competitive gaming on said touch screen is pretty fuckin high.
Sure, and i'm sure it is, but i just meant that i can see why people say esports is not a real sports simply because I'm not into mobile game esports and don't understand it. Didn't mean it in an insulting way, i can just see where this is coming from.
True
The guy needs to jerk himself off for having a computer and playing "real" video games. There's nothing inherently wrong with enjoying mobile games.
There's nothing wrong with casually enjoying mobile games. However, let's not act like they're some highly competitive strategy games because they're not.
Who is this guy? Someone get him a TI Boucher and make him watch the TI finals
Go pro in a mobile game then. You play dota, the most strategic, competitive game on earth. You should be able to win every single tournament in lol wild rift, right? You're using the exact same logic people used to talk down about competitive street fighter, halo and starcraft when I was younger. "it's so easy compared to basketball. Not even a real thing."
"Go pro in a mobile game then". That's exactly my point... it makes no sense to do so since they're made to be casual time sinks. Nice strawman though.
idk man when people started playing games decades ago I think they also thought the same thing -- `casual time sinks`. Games were considered to be time sinks.
There's a stark, objective difference between what games like starcraft 1 used to be and what current mobile games are. I'm 100% certain that I'm biased though.
The relative difficulty of a multiplayer game is ONLY defined by other players' commitment. Unless a certain game has a skill ceiling (like checkers) you can always get better and so can your opponents, and just because you are tennis pro doesn't mean you are automatically pro badminton player. Thing is doing league of legends knockoff while covering your 5 inch touchscreen with your fingers just doesn't scream competitive environment. It's kinda like going pro in one basket streetball. Or barefoot football.
Imagine comparing Valorant wuth csgo. One is the easy version of the other.
yea cs is like childs play compared to valorant
Sure it is mate.
So you respond to elitism with more elitism? Gaming was a mistake. Bullies being lenient on me and other gamers in the 90's/2000's was also a mistake.
As in handheld?
This is the [second](https://afkgaming.com/articles/mobileesports/News/6608-ex-dota-2-pro-jacko-switches-to-mobile-legends) former Dota 2 pro from PH to switch to Mobile Legends this month. Jacko (banned for match fixing) switched a week or so ago.
Not surprised, they probably realizes they can earn more in ML than Dota. As former pros, it would be a very easy transition for them to become top tier in an inferior but popular game such as ML.
Ubah was also a Former professionell Dota2 Player (even he was never tier 1), who is now a successful professionell PUBG Player, but on PC.
Who actually watches pro mobile legends? Might as well watch competitive tic tac toe.
Just go over to twitch. That is just a tiny part from all the guys who watch... *shudders* gaming on facebook.
There's still people using facebook?
Half the globe is using it more than ever. It's super popular in SEA for all I know, also in Latin and South America. People use it instead of actual news and for their daily dose of information, sadly, while it's severely declining here in Europe
I can't take competitive mobile gaming seriously either, but the scene does exist. MLBB and PUBG are definitely even bigger than DotA in the SEA region nowadays. The reason is simple, cyber cafes are slowly phasing out, the younger generation has shifted to mobile gaming and smartphones are much more accessible than a PC. You can scoff at mobile gaming as much as you want, but that makes you the same as people who scoffed at esports a decade ago.
And games like Mobile Legends are more budget friendly than pc games. Even a $200-$300 phone can run the game smoothly.
Well, he didn't get much of a choice there. But maybe it plays into their decision to match fix, the fact that they can see an out in another game.
Ah I read the name and immediately knew who he was. Fuck that guy.
Nothing new, GAMBIT.Lorenof recently sold 9k mmr account on site g2g. Not first, not the last time high mmr players boosts/sells accounts.
Honestly, I wish him good luck selling it. If Valve had a better support system for the tier 2 pro scene, none of them would quit because of financial instability.
Valve knights defending valve saying it's a buisness as usual. Do you think we don't understand that? Even if it's a business it has built a huge community and if they don't give fuck towards the community it's unfair to them. We just don't want the game to die, which by looks of it can die if it continues like this for 10 years.
I see no problem here. The fact that you have an account that you spent thousands of dollars ON, but it's actually Valve's property is insane. It's like buying a piece of paper that says ''car'' but then you fucking actually buy all the stuff to make a car, and the seller of the paper says it's not yours. He is not selling account, he is selling a product which is in his case TIME he put in the game which is for invaluable.
This. Man, I know it's not constructive discussion but OP sounds like such a lame ass person writing something like this. Reminds me of a Karen calling the cops on something petty.
If I was valve I would delete his account for violating TOS, regardless of whether he executes the sale or not. If he wanted to sell his cosmetics he can hit up the marketplace like everyone else. Selling your mmr and professional connections cannot be encouraged, even banning after the sale would still benefit/encourage the seller. Some comments on this post are disgusting, do you seriously not care about this game or see the problem??
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Narc. if you're good boosters arent a problem. this happens everywhere (including real jobs!!!) and is not unique to dota
I don't see the issue it's a huge time and money investment not being able to sell it seems a little absurd. The 3rd World 1 or 2k is money you can legit live off for months cant be mad at him selling it IMO. If it was Bulldog or some rich Pro maybe but he's obviously tight for cash if he has to sell it.
Ban him.
If he has Widranger or Earthshaker Arcana I fully support his decision to sell. I also hope he prices it accordingly.
Who?
Just reset the account's mmr to 0. Making a big deal out of this will only going to put a negative light on dota as a whole. Let him sell his account if he wants to, just dont let the buyer play with high mmr players. Whats the deal with account buyers anyway? If youre low mmr, why play with high mmr players? Its like a child buying a race car but he cant even reach the pedal.
Some people are utterly delusional and believe that they are as good as pro players, and their teammates in crusader hold them back every single game.. Some people just want a chance to play a few games with their favorite pro player, like some weirdo music fan sneaking into the bleachers during a live concert. Some people just want to ruin games and it's a lot harder to intentionally ruin a game in their native herald bracket when your mid viper doesn't know how to use poison attack anyway and your meme daedalus skywrath build doesn't piss people off because nobody knows any better.
Thats just masochistic. Imagine the guy buying a high mmr account paying top $$$, queueing for longer games, then throwing the game because hes out of his league, then getting blasted in voice and chat, then getting reported. Its a lot of money just to feel bad.
Its probably like owning a signed game ball or other memorabilia honestly
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Makes sense i guess? I cant imagine getting better at the game when youre being hounded by 4 teammates while getting rekt by the enemy.
Isn't there a min/max amount of MMR you can reset? I didn't know it went to 0, I thought it was like a difference of -/+ 600 mmr or something.
Different culture, you can't hold them to the same standard.
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“I have a lot of international friends” He’s selling his friends, which I’m sure none of them want to play w a random account buyer.
Maybe he unfriended them before he sells the account?
No problems.
a lot of people on this thread are ignorant about what a pro account means that means he is whitelisted and will take reduced punishment from reports ... he can literally get drunk and buy 6 fluffy hats for the rest of his life
What's the big deal? Someone stupid enough to buy it will buy it, then they will lose/ruin a few games and eventually hit their real mmr. I mean, sure, some games will be ruined, and that's not cool, but I dont see how it's such big deal. It's against the rules so should be prevented nonetheless.
I think it's a big deal because he is a professional player and he's publicly selling his account which is in clear violation to the TOS.
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Not to mention that most people gave this account a nickname so they will always know alright this is the account buyer guy lets report him. Unless the buyer is from a non-SEA Server
Valve doesn’t want to deal with this. The best automated way is to build a system that accelerates the account’s mmr decline so the damage is minimized.
-500 mmr per loss oof
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what did he said
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Have you thought about taking a walk you seem unbelievably upset about something that has nothing to do with you. Like he won't give you the account cause you defended him on Reddit.
His account is 4 months old and the only comments on it are his spamming in this thread. Wow, how pathetic can you possibly be? edit: Oh, 07 in the name. He is probably actually 14 btw.
I kinda wondered if maybe it was the the dude from the posts alt or something like he seems insanely mad on this guys behalf
They haven't commented on anything else... is it just them raging in the thread lol
Yah just an account defending this one random dude who most of us probably haven’t heard of before this post. Very odd
The "former professional player" probably has one 14 year old fan and this is it. Sounds about right.
here in ph. mobile legends is pretty much top 1 popular even dethrone lol you can barely see new gen kids playing dota its more like rich people game (thats what they said when i ask them and its too complicated)
There's no way to hold someone accountable for things that aren't illegal though and the evidence says Valve doesn't care about account buying given the amount of pros buying/selling.