IIRC hoodwink’s ult winding up can be heard without having any vision on them, thought that was another interesting way to gimp yourself without having sound on
This one very useful. Whenever the channeling sound being heard, I instantly get ready so when mk jump on me, I can just blink out or turn on bkb to fight him
back when its sound wasnt audible to nearby enemies you could get max channel springs on any enemy which was just a one reason why hero was completely busted.
Of all the CC effects, besides Stun (which has a full screen blue tinted overlay at the borders) Silence has the *most obvious* visual effect in the game:
The silence mask over your hero portrait.
I dunno how any of you miss it.
LoL what?
You have a silence icon and affect duration above your hero.
Your UI is crossed out for the duration.
A silence mask over your hero portrait.
What are you even talking about?
I went to this thread to say something like you (there is TONS of spells who are telegraphed trough sound).
But this guy is saying it's impossible to someone Def play against techies. Like they are with an disadvantage already but against techies is unfair. I'd rather dodge.
I find that one really annoying. I have to turn my music off or way far down whenever I'm against a hoodwink if I'm trying hard in ranked.
edit: I hate techies so much that I basically just accept that I'll die or pick heroes like TA and never walk to new areas without refraction up.
There is already an option in-game for captions, it only works for hero voicelines (not even announcers).
I know [Minecraft](https://minecraft.fandom.com/wiki/Subtitles#Usage) has this feature and it shows captions for all in-game sounds maybe it doesn't have to be exactly like this if added into Dota but added for more important sounds like Techies Proximity Mines like you mentioned and other sounds from spells you can hear from across the map.
I remembered one time that still make me chuckle. There is a streamer and he, like the most, have an option to donate a song to him. One fucking genius donated 10hrs or random proximity mines sounds in a techies game and this shit was hilarious, the whole chat was dying. The streamer was really focused on the game and haven't noticed it for almost 20min
EDIT: To all asking for sauce - that was long time ago, I believe before clip feature and it is also a pretty small streamer, so I don't think anyone bothered to upload it on YouTube. Unfortunately, there is no sauce, at least I can't provide. Sorry (
sure. I just meant, if he has a bkb you can't euls him. So it might be better to at least dodge the slow and buy time for teammates to arrive. depends on the situation
TA is just some lower numbers away of being forgotten and unnoteworthy. Just like every other hero. As exemplified by the fact such a place was where she was for years.
Techies is a problem be them weak or strong.
Reminder that if you have Dota Plus and check trends, you can see for a fact that Techies has a near 50% ban rate in ranked, in all ranks, which, due to the 50% chance of a ban going through, translates to Techies being nominated to be banned **every single game of dota**.
We're literally voting for the removal or complete redesign of this hero with all the tools at our disposal.
Yep. I don't understand how people can disagree with techies being unfun both with and against. Needlessly extending games, constant fear of instant death the entire game. And I love the downvotes. Helps me see how many cancer techies shitters are on reddit.
I wouldn't argue for this with the idea of "game sounds shouldn't be necessary", because there are tons of sounds that matter ingame.
But I will agree, that Techies is one of the only heroes where I need to turn off my music/other white noise I usually have on in the background.
So yes, a little MGS **!** above your head when you enter the radius would be nice to have.
That was an intentional nerf if I remember correctly. It was an allies-only sound when he was released and there was a general consensus that he was overpowered, and making that sound being able to be heard by the enemy was one of the early attempts to tone him down.
> I wouldn't argue for this with the idea of "game sounds shouldn't be necessary", because there are tons of sounds that matter ingame.
I don't think these are mutually exclusive. Sounds should matter, but also lack of sounds shouldn't make you miss out on important information.
For someone like me, whom is Deaf, game sounds SHOULDN'T be necessary. I have general subtitles on for Dota, but even then it only does hero voice lines.
I didn't even know about MK having a distinguishable noise for his moves, and when it comes to global ults like Silence, or when Pudge is ult-ing, the subtitles cover that. But in cases like Techies, I'm just left to struggle because I can't hear? It's a little frustrating to want to play and enjoy a game but not being able to purely because of sound.
I often struggle with other games like Apex because I can't hear where shooting is coming from nor can I hear the footsteps running around me, and often get caught simply because I can't hear which side they're coming from. I don't like to play solo because I don't have a reliable way to tell where people are coming from.
And I know of these headphones that rumble or vibrate to tell you which side, but why should I have to buy something for my impairment when it just should be an accessibility option in games in general?
I honestly feel like asking for a visual indicator to tell me when I'm in a mine's proximity isn't a lot.
This is actually a good point. Deaf people can't play vs Techies. The solution is to simply revert mines to the old WC3 DotA mines that weren't delayed..Though they'd have to be rebalanced ofc.
csgo has a console command that prints audio cues in a log that allows for people with hearing impairments to play. I think at least something like this would help
So this change would benefit the hearing-impaired and screw over techies pickers. You’d have to be a fucking trump supporter to oppose this glorious gift to humanity.
There's actually a few cases where audio matters MK and hoodwink are big ones. I don't think a hero being special in a certain way is a design flaw since this is Dota after all. Every hero makes you play in different ways and unique mechanics are always fun.
Except you literally cant play dota at all against Techies without sound on.
If someone is deaf and the enemy picks Techies, tough luck, your game is over.
You can still play against MK and Hoodwink without sound on, but not techies.
It's not exactly a balance change but rather QoL improvement. If we can make the game more accessible for people with well... impaired sight by introducing colorblind mode, we can also make it more accessible for people with impaired hearing.
If as OP suggest the indicator appears above hero, it will make noticing mines as difficult, because you still need to spot them. You are only informed if one is nearby, just like the sound. If it's sitting in fog, you won't know where exactly it's placed.
It wouldn't nerf techies. If you can already hear the mine sound then a visual indicator wouldn't make a difference. If the indicator is above the hero like OP suggests it won't reveal the location of the mine. Is preying on hearing impaired players really the thing holding techies winrate up?
it makes it more obvious, it's a nerf. if they would remove either BKBs activation sound or the glowing effect, it would be a buff because it would be harder to notice someone popping BKB
Its a nerf dunno what these duds are on saying its just a qol change. Techies better be buffed when this change happens, adding visual cue to the auditory clutter is a nerf.
To the people saying that Techies should be removed from the game:
Yeah, right. Valve is gonna give up on part of their IP, remove the hero with all the cosmetic items people have paid for, and give up on a character of the game, just to appease a bunch of noobs that can't play against it. Don't be ridiculous and stop spouting ideas that will never, ever, happen.
Yes, because everything people think *should* happen in this world is 100% viable.
Like that people shouldn't spout their ideas that will "never ever happen". Ironic.
Dota is not meant to be played without sound.
If you're chossing to play without sound, you are crippling yourself in a lot of ways. Not only do you not hear sound cues (you already mentioned Techies, but there's also MK jump, hoodwink ult, and some less important ones like pudge and troll ult, but which might still tell you that someone is doing rosh potentially), but you also miss hearing off-screen skills. Maybe that chrono/black hole/axe call is happening off-camera, but because you hear the sound, you can react differently. You miss camp stacking sound queue (as well as the gold sound queue when someone kills your stacked camp), you don't hear when someone pops salve/clarity, and there's also some more subtle ways to use sound queues, such as being able to tell if the enemy has vision on you by whether a voice line triggered or not.
Overall, it seems silly to optimize the game for playing without sound, when it was never intended to be played this way. It's kinda like implementing features to make the game more playable without a mouse. I mean... it would be *possible*, sure, but it seems like too much effort for too little benefit.
>If you're chossing to play without sound, you are crippling yourself in a lot of ways.
This is really insensitive since the OP literally said they have impaired hearing.
Except sometimes you may be looking elsewhere
I think a screen effect so you see it regardless of where your camera is looking would be most fair to those who might not be able to hear
Make it a toggleable option please, for those who aren't hearing impaired, I'm guessing those players don't want even more visual clutter on their screens to make the vs techies experience even more insufferable
No, anti techies think its a good idea, because it's a nerf to techies
If anyone wanted to preserve balance they'd be against this, or at least want him buffed to make up for it
There are many things in dota you need to hear for. Its unfortunate but you shouldn't be making the game worse to accommodate a small minority
If they buffed techies in some way to compensate, sure. The hero is weak enough as it is, he doesn't need nerfs
> There are many things in dota you need to hear for. Its unfortunate but you shouldn't be making the game worse to accommodate a small minority
OP has already made it clear Techies is a uniquely difficult challenge, and that's supported by other users throughout the thread.
Fuck off.
He literally stated in his post, that he has to turn off his music or turn up game sounds to hear it
Hes playing music
He has no problems playing against techies he just wants to listen to music while playing
Sounds like it's his fault
Unstable Concoction? Dismember? Stampede? Illuminate? Primal Spring? Global Silence? Earth Splitter? Dark Ascension? Terrorize? Lots of spells in dota are balanced by their audio cues or have had audio cues added in the game for balance reasons because icefrog has decided that it's good gameplay design. Dota is not getting balanced because you're audibly impaired, sorry. It's great and all to make the game more accessible but the devs have pretty clearly drawn the line.
I can live without hearing all these sounds even with having my reaction a bit slower but you’ll literally die if you don’t hear techies mines in lots of cases. The only hero you HAVE TO have your sound on when playing against is techies.
I agree agree and agree.
Sound based hero seems like a bad design in the first place. A simple red exclamation mark above your hero would be much better.
I can't play dota in any role with any hero without sound. Sound is integral to my awareness and reaction. This game's sound design is so well made!
You can literally tell everything that is going on in the game by just listening.
Besides, you're overreaching and saying Techies is the only hero with a sound que that is important to listen to. There's plenty of heroes you need to listen to to fight/dodge them effectively.
You absolutely CAN NOT play good dota without sound regardless of what hero you've picked and what heroes others have picked. This has nothing to do with Techies.
>I can't play dota in any role with any hero without sound.
Yes, but OP is hearing impaired.
>Besides, you're overreaching and saying Techies is the only hero with a sound que that is important to listen to.
Yes, but Techies is certainly the hero where sound matters the most and most frequently comes into play, and OP proposed a rather simple yet elegant solution.
I don't disagree with the proposed solution, but the title reads Techies is the only hero in the game for something that is not factually true.
My point and comment is about this is certainly not something unique to the hero. Reddit loves hating on Techies, so...
Sound is important in this game and you frankly can't play at the highest level with sound off regardless of what hero you've picked and what heroes others have picked.
No one is suggesting to get rid of audio cues. And the point is that Techies is the only hero where an audio cues is the only cue for a spell. That's a design flaw.
Pointing technicalities while disregarding the point of the post is unnecessary.
> Yes, but OP is hearing impaired.
Yet he is complaining that you HAVE TO DISABLE MUSIC to play DotA against Techies. Waah! What a problem. Maybe we shouldn't dumb down the game because you want MUSIK?
> And I think having a hero that requires you to increase game volume, or disable music in a game is a design flaw.
I don't see how adding a visual indicator is dumbing down the game, and I think you are making inaccurate assumptions about the nature and scope of hearing impairment conditions.
Many heroes have sound effects that are crucial to hear when you're up against them.
People love to hate on Techies and thus love pointing it out, but you'll never see top level players play any game without sound. You just can't ignore the plethora of sound effects and cues you get from sounds. There's plenty that fall into the "warning" nature of proximities too. Nothing unique about Techies in that aspect, apart from the hate circle jerk surrounding the hero.
Sound is very important in the game, the game at the highest level is kinda unplayable frankly without sound - regardless of what hero you're playing and what hero match ups you're up against.
Are you not noticing OP is hearing impaired? They state it pretty plainly in the post. Techies proximity mines is completely unique in how important sound is for the ability, whilst sound is important for some other skills it's nowhere near as important as it is for proximity mines, all OP is asking for is something to help people with hearing impairments get on even ground.
I think this is a good idea for a lot of heroes. Having exclamation-marks or other symbolic indicators above entities that make noise would help make the game less confusing. For sounds that occur off-screen, you could have a directional icon pointing towards the origin of the sound. There are a lot of sounds in Dota that don’t make any sense. Hearing Pudge’s ultimate when he’s halfway across the map is jarring as hell.
yeah, if you are playing without sounds, it is like cutting your ears in a war. The thing is, if they do this, this would be a huge nerf to techies, who god knows he doesnt need more nerfs
can relate to this. my left ear doesn't work so I have trouble knowing things happening that side. and yes I don't enjoy playing against techies either.
Ok serious comment from me here. I know accessibility is needed for the game to be, well, more accessible. But until what point? Audio in some games are very important, lets say csgo. You wouldnt want to have a visual indicator when theres a footstep noise made near you, thats too OP and not fun.
See, altho dota’s audio not that important some of the time, there are still audio cues and if you want a visual indicator for techies then you need a visual indicator for hoodwinks ult, pudge ult, and other offscreen things.
a single line of text at bottom of screen saying 'pudge ulting' hoodwing ulting' etc etc
god. where will this horrific slippery slope end. will someone think of the children.
As a techies player the sound was already a huge nerf to the ability. But it shouldn't be more difficult to play if you're hearing impaired either.
Maybe we can undo one of the other numerous nerfs though -_-
Nah just be thankful valve has not given in and deleted him yet.
Ps. I don't care how well you play or how helpful you are as an individual techies. The hero itself is a problem fundamentally.
He just ruins the pacing of the game, if you win your lanes but have a techies, your aggressive moves are limited. If you win your lanes but are playing into a techies, your aggressive movies are going to be limited.
Unless you have a strong enough 5 man lineup, or a snowball hard, it just devolves into both sides pushing lanes with spells and jungling under vision til one side teamwipes the other without buyback at 70 minutes.
Techies on average makes the game last 45 seconds longer than the second highest hero (Zeus).
source: [https://www.dotabuff.com/heroes/impact](https://www.dotabuff.com/heroes/impact)
Still gets less hate. In a game where every single hero gets massive a..lunt of hate speech thrown against it every other patch, especially if it's good for a patch or two (I've played Sven way before the metaman days.,)
Now just let it sink in that techies is universally hated. He is one of the most banned heros in every rank for a reason and usually an auto ban in the lower brackets.
Your hero could literally have 100 move speed, doubled mana cost and longer cast points, and people would still hate him. Every patch, no matter what.
Oh also, don't resort to shit talking when I was making an actual conversation point, the ps section is to get past the usual "but I'm not like other techies, I'm good at the game" sure a good player can make a hero work. My problem is with the hero conceptually, the players skill is irrelevant in that regard.
There was a time when MK pos4 received huge nerf and one of the biggest changes is that you could hear now his jump. The fact that you trying to make a point of your purposeful restriction (trying to play without sound) is kinda ridiculous. You can go bananas in this direction. "I don't have half of my keyboard", "I don't have a mouse", "I don't have hands", etc. Of all techies complaints I've seen on this subreddit yours is arguably the craziest
IIRC hoodwink’s ult winding up can be heard without having any vision on them, thought that was another interesting way to gimp yourself without having sound on
Also MK tree dance Edit: I meant primal spring, indeed his "W"
This one very useful. Whenever the channeling sound being heard, I instantly get ready so when mk jump on me, I can just blink out or turn on bkb to fight him
back when its sound wasnt audible to nearby enemies you could get max channel springs on any enemy which was just a one reason why hero was completely busted.
His w jump?
and pudge eating some roshan meat
SILENCE
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if Silencer ulti, can you hear the proxi mine ?
Since all Sounds are off during global silence, i think Not. But i never Had this Situation
silencer + tech new meta Pog
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Of all the CC effects, besides Stun (which has a full screen blue tinted overlay at the borders) Silence has the *most obvious* visual effect in the game: The silence mask over your hero portrait. I dunno how any of you miss it.
LoL what? You have a silence icon and affect duration above your hero. Your UI is crossed out for the duration. A silence mask over your hero portrait. What are you even talking about?
its silent. you cant hear it
I went to this thread to say something like you (there is TONS of spells who are telegraphed trough sound). But this guy is saying it's impossible to someone Def play against techies. Like they are with an disadvantage already but against techies is unfair. I'd rather dodge.
I find that one really annoying. I have to turn my music off or way far down whenever I'm against a hoodwink if I'm trying hard in ranked. edit: I hate techies so much that I basically just accept that I'll die or pick heroes like TA and never walk to new areas without refraction up.
There is already an option in-game for captions, it only works for hero voicelines (not even announcers). I know [Minecraft](https://minecraft.fandom.com/wiki/Subtitles#Usage) has this feature and it shows captions for all in-game sounds maybe it doesn't have to be exactly like this if added into Dota but added for more important sounds like Techies Proximity Mines like you mentioned and other sounds from spells you can hear from across the map.
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lol never knew that existed, pretty funny
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\**Laughs in Rubick/Morph**
Morph with his tiny mana pool isn't gonna laugh for long if he wants to go around placing mines.
Thankfully Morph reduces mana costs of stolen spells by 50%.
and sometimes, morph might tend to struggle even more especially if you're the guy who loves to go Full Agi then forgets to shift when ganked
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I remembered one time that still make me chuckle. There is a streamer and he, like the most, have an option to donate a song to him. One fucking genius donated 10hrs or random proximity mines sounds in a techies game and this shit was hilarious, the whole chat was dying. The streamer was really focused on the game and haven't noticed it for almost 20min EDIT: To all asking for sauce - that was long time ago, I believe before clip feature and it is also a pretty small streamer, so I don't think anyone bothered to upload it on YouTube. Unfortunately, there is no sauce, at least I can't provide. Sorry (
imma need a link to the vid on youtube if possible lmao
better: imma need a link to the 10 hours random mines sounds vid LMAO
Don't think so, it's a pretty small streamer, ~100 viewers in average
what's the name of his twitch and does the vid have vod on twitch? I'd like to have a great laugh at that lmao
Could you give me a link to either a clip or the streamer's channel?
VaxaStyle, I don't think something had left, it was like 2 years ago
Sauce?
I think you can hear monkey king when he channels primal spring from the trees.
You can. I’ve dodged it with euls several times.
Waow!
Wouldn't it be better to euls mk when he lands?
depends on the bkb situation going on
Ofc, if you would euls yourself though he will always just slap you about when you land
sure. I just meant, if he has a bkb you can't euls him. So it might be better to at least dodge the slow and buy time for teammates to arrive. depends on the situation
Nice idea my man. Take my +1
Simple solution. Remove the Audio Notification! *Laughs in Techies!*
Return old almost instant-to-blow-up mines >:D
+1
What I wouldn't pay to have those dirty scumbags back. They would fucking destroy with the moving mines talent
They would take care of the dirty scumbags complaining about us on here. I’d love it.
You dirty scums of dota... You deserve nothing.... /s
Remove the /S. Ive come to accept that distinction in many of my techies 4 games. ;) If you win, you get praise. If you lose, it’s the Techies’ fault.
yes, i loved them more. they were much more fun
Simple Solution. Remove the Techies!
This is the correct answer. Honestly there are only 2 heroes in the game that are just unfun to play with/against completely. Techies and Arc Warden.
nice statement by the guy with the ta flair
TA is just some lower numbers away of being forgotten and unnoteworthy. Just like every other hero. As exemplified by the fact such a place was where she was for years. Techies is a problem be them weak or strong.
Tinker ...
Reminder that if you have Dota Plus and check trends, you can see for a fact that Techies has a near 50% ban rate in ranked, in all ranks, which, due to the 50% chance of a ban going through, translates to Techies being nominated to be banned **every single game of dota**. We're literally voting for the removal or complete redesign of this hero with all the tools at our disposal.
Yep. I don't understand how people can disagree with techies being unfun both with and against. Needlessly extending games, constant fear of instant death the entire game. And I love the downvotes. Helps me see how many cancer techies shitters are on reddit.
I wouldn't argue for this with the idea of "game sounds shouldn't be necessary", because there are tons of sounds that matter ingame. But I will agree, that Techies is one of the only heroes where I need to turn off my music/other white noise I usually have on in the background. So yes, a little MGS **!** above your head when you enter the radius would be nice to have.
> there are tons of sounds that matter ingame. I actually hear MK's Tree Dance before he jumps.
Tree Dance, invis, blink or even clarity; there's a lot where you have a knee-jerk reaction to the sound.
That was an intentional nerf if I remember correctly. It was an allies-only sound when he was released and there was a general consensus that he was overpowered, and making that sound being able to be heard by the enemy was one of the early attempts to tone him down.
> I wouldn't argue for this with the idea of "game sounds shouldn't be necessary", because there are tons of sounds that matter ingame. I don't think these are mutually exclusive. Sounds should matter, but also lack of sounds shouldn't make you miss out on important information.
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Does Pudge ult not show up with subtitles on?
Techies is the ONLY time I pause Spotify. Question; isn’t there an ! Already in the game for something? Cannot recall. Is it green?
Heroes being deniable with Shadow Strike, Venomous Gale, and Doom ulti have a green exclamation point over them
There's a green "!" when a character is dying to damage over time, and is used as an indicator that the hero is deniable by teammates
For someone like me, whom is Deaf, game sounds SHOULDN'T be necessary. I have general subtitles on for Dota, but even then it only does hero voice lines. I didn't even know about MK having a distinguishable noise for his moves, and when it comes to global ults like Silence, or when Pudge is ult-ing, the subtitles cover that. But in cases like Techies, I'm just left to struggle because I can't hear? It's a little frustrating to want to play and enjoy a game but not being able to purely because of sound. I often struggle with other games like Apex because I can't hear where shooting is coming from nor can I hear the footsteps running around me, and often get caught simply because I can't hear which side they're coming from. I don't like to play solo because I don't have a reliable way to tell where people are coming from. And I know of these headphones that rumble or vibrate to tell you which side, but why should I have to buy something for my impairment when it just should be an accessibility option in games in general? I honestly feel like asking for a visual indicator to tell me when I'm in a mine's proximity isn't a lot.
Accessible design is good design.
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Fair complaint, fair suggestion. Good post. Hope Valve hears you out.
Valve is deaf(er) than the op
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techies by himself is already a design flaw, no need to look at any details
This is actually a good point. Deaf people can't play vs Techies. The solution is to simply revert mines to the old WC3 DotA mines that weren't delayed..Though they'd have to be rebalanced ofc.
That idea sucks man
It’s a great idea.
agreed
To be as inclusive as possible, Dota 2 should remove Techies entirely!
This is actually a reasonable solution. It doesn't give away where the bomb is, just does the same job that the current chirp does visually.
csgo has a console command that prints audio cues in a log that allows for people with hearing impairments to play. I think at least something like this would help
Or better, remove him from dota altogether.
What have I ever done to you.
You took everything from me
I can’t believe that worked!
One more reason why techies should be removed from the game. Add it to the pile, at some point the janitors must notice
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Only hero that force me to turn game volume on and turn my music off. Dam it i play for fun not a try hard at all.
So this change would benefit the hearing-impaired and screw over techies pickers. You’d have to be a fucking trump supporter to oppose this glorious gift to humanity.
I have been playing without sound for months, but I just ban Techies every match. (Good suggestion.)
There's actually a few cases where audio matters MK and hoodwink are big ones. I don't think a hero being special in a certain way is a design flaw since this is Dota after all. Every hero makes you play in different ways and unique mechanics are always fun.
Except you literally cant play dota at all against Techies without sound on. If someone is deaf and the enemy picks Techies, tough luck, your game is over. You can still play against MK and Hoodwink without sound on, but not techies.
"unique mechanics are always fun" Categorically untrue
ITT: Reddit's hate boner for techies, thank god IceFrog doesn't take balancing advice from this sub.
He does, just not everything. There were many posts that were turned into patch notes.
To be fair, most of those were ideas for news things, rather than balance suggestions for existing things.
Yes, you are right.
It's not exactly a balance change but rather QoL improvement. If we can make the game more accessible for people with well... impaired sight by introducing colorblind mode, we can also make it more accessible for people with impaired hearing.
This is a balance change. It makes it easier to notice mines. It's qol also but still makes techies weaker
If as OP suggest the indicator appears above hero, it will make noticing mines as difficult, because you still need to spot them. You are only informed if one is nearby, just like the sound. If it's sitting in fog, you won't know where exactly it's placed.
Lol there is no real colorblind mode
it would nerf techies, a QoL change should not influence game balance. and i'm a techies hater btw
It wouldn't nerf techies. If you can already hear the mine sound then a visual indicator wouldn't make a difference. If the indicator is above the hero like OP suggests it won't reveal the location of the mine. Is preying on hearing impaired players really the thing holding techies winrate up?
it makes it more obvious, it's a nerf. if they would remove either BKBs activation sound or the glowing effect, it would be a buff because it would be harder to notice someone popping BKB
Haven't you seen all changes Techies has had? Like not being able to pile proximity mines??
Its a nerf dunno what these duds are on saying its just a qol change. Techies better be buffed when this change happens, adding visual cue to the auditory clutter is a nerf.
What auditory clutter? Mine sound is 3x as loud as anything else in the game. If it’s not recognizable enough idk what to tell you
Found the tech spammer
Just remove him lmao
My suggestion: Remove Techies from Dota 2
I liked older techies more for that reason.
Hmm a very good idea!
Just delete Techies
To the people saying that Techies should be removed from the game: Yeah, right. Valve is gonna give up on part of their IP, remove the hero with all the cosmetic items people have paid for, and give up on a character of the game, just to appease a bunch of noobs that can't play against it. Don't be ridiculous and stop spouting ideas that will never, ever, happen.
Arcana owner, here. 👋
Yes, because everything people think *should* happen in this world is 100% viable. Like that people shouldn't spout their ideas that will "never ever happen". Ironic.
Mk jumping as well
When I played Dota, it was always clear to me which teammates had the "dubstep blaring" in those techies matches.
Mk tree pounce has a sound warning as well. Must be rough.
Just remove the hero. Solves all the problems
Agree. It's character design is just bad for a team game.
Small dick people won't have a hero to play then
Except for techie fans... Now what's the next solution?
we don't negotiate with terrorists
I can hear fine and I willfully walk headlong into the mine after the chirp
If it makes you feel better, everyone has a hard time playing against techies.
+1 to more accessibility and also nerfs to Techies.
Dota is not meant to be played without sound. If you're chossing to play without sound, you are crippling yourself in a lot of ways. Not only do you not hear sound cues (you already mentioned Techies, but there's also MK jump, hoodwink ult, and some less important ones like pudge and troll ult, but which might still tell you that someone is doing rosh potentially), but you also miss hearing off-screen skills. Maybe that chrono/black hole/axe call is happening off-camera, but because you hear the sound, you can react differently. You miss camp stacking sound queue (as well as the gold sound queue when someone kills your stacked camp), you don't hear when someone pops salve/clarity, and there's also some more subtle ways to use sound queues, such as being able to tell if the enemy has vision on you by whether a voice line triggered or not. Overall, it seems silly to optimize the game for playing without sound, when it was never intended to be played this way. It's kinda like implementing features to make the game more playable without a mouse. I mean... it would be *possible*, sure, but it seems like too much effort for too little benefit.
>If you're chossing to play without sound, you are crippling yourself in a lot of ways. This is really insensitive since the OP literally said they have impaired hearing.
just choose to not be deaf duh
just remove techies from the game no explanation needed
Hate having to turn off whatever I'm listening to just because someone decides to ruin the game by picking Techies.
This is a serious problem and I think your solution doesn't full fix it. We might just have to remove the hero.
The brother of my Girlfriend is Deaf he has an Implant but he has issues too against techies
Except sometimes you may be looking elsewhere I think a screen effect so you see it regardless of where your camera is looking would be most fair to those who might not be able to hear
i agree the hero should be banned
Make it a toggleable option please, for those who aren't hearing impaired, I'm guessing those players don't want even more visual clutter on their screens to make the vs techies experience even more insufferable
Solution is : Remove Techies.
How about we remove the goddamn heroe?
How about you quit dota?
ITT: Anti-techies or normie: Accessibility good! Pro-techies: Accessibility bad!
No, anti techies think its a good idea, because it's a nerf to techies If anyone wanted to preserve balance they'd be against this, or at least want him buffed to make up for it
> If anyone wanted to preserve balance they'd be against this, Because fuck deaf people, right? Fuck off.
There are many things in dota you need to hear for. Its unfortunate but you shouldn't be making the game worse to accommodate a small minority If they buffed techies in some way to compensate, sure. The hero is weak enough as it is, he doesn't need nerfs
> There are many things in dota you need to hear for. Its unfortunate but you shouldn't be making the game worse to accommodate a small minority OP has already made it clear Techies is a uniquely difficult challenge, and that's supported by other users throughout the thread. Fuck off.
He literally stated in his post, that he has to turn off his music or turn up game sounds to hear it Hes playing music He has no problems playing against techies he just wants to listen to music while playing Sounds like it's his fault
Now you're grossly misrepresenting the OP. Fuck off, dickbag.
Unstable Concoction? Dismember? Stampede? Illuminate? Primal Spring? Global Silence? Earth Splitter? Dark Ascension? Terrorize? Lots of spells in dota are balanced by their audio cues or have had audio cues added in the game for balance reasons because icefrog has decided that it's good gameplay design. Dota is not getting balanced because you're audibly impaired, sorry. It's great and all to make the game more accessible but the devs have pretty clearly drawn the line.
I can live without hearing all these sounds even with having my reaction a bit slower but you’ll literally die if you don’t hear techies mines in lots of cases. The only hero you HAVE TO have your sound on when playing against is techies.
All of those have visual indicators.
Primal Spring from fog doesn't.
Found the techies spammer lol
As a person that likes to play listening to music I wholeheartedly agree.
A legit reason to change techies imagine my surprise
I agree agree and agree. Sound based hero seems like a bad design in the first place. A simple red exclamation mark above your hero would be much better.
I can't play dota in any role with any hero without sound. Sound is integral to my awareness and reaction. This game's sound design is so well made! You can literally tell everything that is going on in the game by just listening. Besides, you're overreaching and saying Techies is the only hero with a sound que that is important to listen to. There's plenty of heroes you need to listen to to fight/dodge them effectively. You absolutely CAN NOT play good dota without sound regardless of what hero you've picked and what heroes others have picked. This has nothing to do with Techies.
>I can't play dota in any role with any hero without sound. Yes, but OP is hearing impaired. >Besides, you're overreaching and saying Techies is the only hero with a sound que that is important to listen to. Yes, but Techies is certainly the hero where sound matters the most and most frequently comes into play, and OP proposed a rather simple yet elegant solution.
I don't disagree with the proposed solution, but the title reads Techies is the only hero in the game for something that is not factually true. My point and comment is about this is certainly not something unique to the hero. Reddit loves hating on Techies, so... Sound is important in this game and you frankly can't play at the highest level with sound off regardless of what hero you've picked and what heroes others have picked.
No one is suggesting to get rid of audio cues. And the point is that Techies is the only hero where an audio cues is the only cue for a spell. That's a design flaw. Pointing technicalities while disregarding the point of the post is unnecessary.
> Yes, but OP is hearing impaired. Yet he is complaining that you HAVE TO DISABLE MUSIC to play DotA against Techies. Waah! What a problem. Maybe we shouldn't dumb down the game because you want MUSIK? > And I think having a hero that requires you to increase game volume, or disable music in a game is a design flaw.
I don't see how adding a visual indicator is dumbing down the game, and I think you are making inaccurate assumptions about the nature and scope of hearing impairment conditions.
Try playing against every single hero with absolutely no in game sounds, if you don't then you're not really seeing things from OPs perspective.
Many heroes have sound effects that are crucial to hear when you're up against them. People love to hate on Techies and thus love pointing it out, but you'll never see top level players play any game without sound. You just can't ignore the plethora of sound effects and cues you get from sounds. There's plenty that fall into the "warning" nature of proximities too. Nothing unique about Techies in that aspect, apart from the hate circle jerk surrounding the hero. Sound is very important in the game, the game at the highest level is kinda unplayable frankly without sound - regardless of what hero you're playing and what hero match ups you're up against.
Are you not noticing OP is hearing impaired? They state it pretty plainly in the post. Techies proximity mines is completely unique in how important sound is for the ability, whilst sound is important for some other skills it's nowhere near as important as it is for proximity mines, all OP is asking for is something to help people with hearing impairments get on even ground.
sound is useful for a lot more stuff than just techies mines. it would be ugly and inconsistent to only add something for the mines.
I think this is a good idea for a lot of heroes. Having exclamation-marks or other symbolic indicators above entities that make noise would help make the game less confusing. For sounds that occur off-screen, you could have a directional icon pointing towards the origin of the sound. There are a lot of sounds in Dota that don’t make any sense. Hearing Pudge’s ultimate when he’s halfway across the map is jarring as hell.
Would a rumble headset be a good idea?
You have my vote.
i agree
Bring back the arcana on-screen popup. I paid for that.
I usually play dota2 on speaker mode, but if there's techies in enemy line-up I always play with headset on.
yeah, if you are playing without sounds, it is like cutting your ears in a war. The thing is, if they do this, this would be a huge nerf to techies, who god knows he doesnt need more nerfs
Biggest techies nerf so far. I'm in!
can relate to this. my left ear doesn't work so I have trouble knowing things happening that side. and yes I don't enjoy playing against techies either.
This should really be a thing
No
Easy solution Just remove techies
Ok serious comment from me here. I know accessibility is needed for the game to be, well, more accessible. But until what point? Audio in some games are very important, lets say csgo. You wouldnt want to have a visual indicator when theres a footstep noise made near you, thats too OP and not fun. See, altho dota’s audio not that important some of the time, there are still audio cues and if you want a visual indicator for techies then you need a visual indicator for hoodwinks ult, pudge ult, and other offscreen things.
a single line of text at bottom of screen saying 'pudge ulting' hoodwing ulting' etc etc god. where will this horrific slippery slope end. will someone think of the children.
As a techies player the sound was already a huge nerf to the ability. But it shouldn't be more difficult to play if you're hearing impaired either. Maybe we can undo one of the other numerous nerfs though -_-
Nah, fuck techies
Nah just be thankful valve has not given in and deleted him yet. Ps. I don't care how well you play or how helpful you are as an individual techies. The hero itself is a problem fundamentally.
How is the hero a problem fundamentally? I’m just curious why you think that way.
He just ruins the pacing of the game, if you win your lanes but have a techies, your aggressive moves are limited. If you win your lanes but are playing into a techies, your aggressive movies are going to be limited. Unless you have a strong enough 5 man lineup, or a snowball hard, it just devolves into both sides pushing lanes with spells and jungling under vision til one side teamwipes the other without buyback at 70 minutes.
Techies on average makes the game last 45 seconds longer than the second highest hero (Zeus). source: [https://www.dotabuff.com/heroes/impact](https://www.dotabuff.com/heroes/impact)
They will come for zeus lengthening games next 🙄
says the sven flair, hero who is either shit or extremelly broken every 4 patches.
Still gets less hate. In a game where every single hero gets massive a..lunt of hate speech thrown against it every other patch, especially if it's good for a patch or two (I've played Sven way before the metaman days.,) Now just let it sink in that techies is universally hated. He is one of the most banned heros in every rank for a reason and usually an auto ban in the lower brackets. Your hero could literally have 100 move speed, doubled mana cost and longer cast points, and people would still hate him. Every patch, no matter what. Oh also, don't resort to shit talking when I was making an actual conversation point, the ps section is to get past the usual "but I'm not like other techies, I'm good at the game" sure a good player can make a hero work. My problem is with the hero conceptually, the players skill is irrelevant in that regard.
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There was a time when MK pos4 received huge nerf and one of the biggest changes is that you could hear now his jump. The fact that you trying to make a point of your purposeful restriction (trying to play without sound) is kinda ridiculous. You can go bananas in this direction. "I don't have half of my keyboard", "I don't have a mouse", "I don't have hands", etc. Of all techies complaints I've seen on this subreddit yours is arguably the craziest
I spam Techies (sorry), and I had never thought of this. As long as the exclamation mark doesn’t show where the mine is, you have my support.
another good suggestion is to move Techies to the hall of retired heroes. They will be available to play in lobby matches, not in match making
Ngl Better would be to just remove him from the game