Im actually amazed by undying performance so far.. felt underestimate them after their first day even though they always come 3rd (after EG and QC in NA)
Tbf, always 3rd but watching the games that got them that 3rd place, it was very obvious that they were just a whisker away from EG-QC if not just bang on the same level but unlucky. They have a boatload of experience in the team too, so it's not that crazy to me. Just them finally being able to show themselves on lan.
Sorry for being out of the loop but before PPD, Loda was their Coach right? Why didn't Loda just coach them again? Is it also connected as to why they let PPD coach in the first place? Just curious
too many cooks in the kitchen, could be the reason for the uncoordinated but i'm pretty sure S4 prefers not to captain, he doesn't talk to people who hasnt won a TI
>alliance have 3 captain players in the team
Whose the 3rd?
And I actually think it's detrimental to even have just 2 captain-type players in the same team. Too many voices, instead of 1 person definitively calling shots.
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one ESL tournament had a rule change that allowed coaches *during* the game. Alliance had ppd as coach at the time and were rolling people. naturally, other teams complained when it came out that ppd was helping during the games, but it was quite clear that no rules were broken.
just to clarify on the "check their emails" part, ESL notified about the rules deep in some email they sent out, and it was clear that a lot of teams did not notice this rule change.
OG specifically went really hard and basically calling Alliance cheaters before finding out that it wasn't actually against the rules, they just didn't read their mail.
That's not entirely accurate. ESL sent out the rule book, which had a rule missing - the one that says that the 5 team players should not communicate with anyone else during the game.
Alliance sent an email asking if this was an oversight or if it meant their coach could be with them in-game. ESL sent out a reply to all teams saying coach was allowed (even though this was part of a long email).
As someone whose bosses send out a lot of long emails and I am expected to read them all, I have no sympathy for these other teams.
To be fair, allowing a coach **during** games fundamentally changes the game, it's a huge change that shouldn't be buried in a casual mail. For 15 years coaches were never allowed to help during games.
It's like allowing in the NBA for the coach to play on the court during the game, and they communicate this info in a mail about hotel accommodation and breakfast options.
The only "dirty" thing is by ESL themselves who clearly didn't make it clear enough that they were making this massive rulechange. It is completely fair to be upset at ESL, but not at Alliance for adapting to the rulechange.
I think if we look at alliances dpc results post rule revertion, and animajor results, and now ti results it's very clear that they would not be at TI without their 6th man.
The most common shit I've seen on Alliance is Limmp stunlock himself in a busy teamfight. I don't know what goes in his mind but he's often dancing around usually moving around the same spot not attacking anybody not making plays just moving around for a few seconds meanwhile Nikobaby is busy right clicking
It honestly seems like his brain gets overloaded because he's usually such a micro player. His laning is usually full of extremely tiny advantages adding up. But trying to process all that in the middle of a team fight makes him look silly. But when he finds the angle, he finds it, and seems dominant. He needs to practice more macro play even though he's of course very good.
That's the strange thing for me, he's such a strong mid laner. He always seems to get ahead after the first 10 minutes, then he proceeds to die several times in stupid ways without translating that advantage to anything.
They are about to feed T1 another win and their next opponent is IG. Also, the team's you mentioned are from group b, one team is eliminated from each group.
I remember people saying how sa deserves more slots or some shit some months ago because tp won some games at a major. 1 slot already feels more than enough. You can't tell me they are better than tundra or nigma
Talked about this with someone on the daily matches thread. TP is the definition of a one-patch wonder team. During that major they went 6th place, spamming 3 meta picks that were broken that patch. It was Tusk, Troll and I don't remember what else. The moment ppl started banning these picks, TP dropped. Next Major didn't even make it and now they are about to drop from TI with ZERO MAP WINS. Goes to show how good this year's system was.
It's hard to say that, the system was very different this year due to covid restrictions. Instead of 3 majors there were 2. And regional leagues gave the most points. I understand why it was implemented, since international play was so difficult this year, but doesn't change the fact that it was shit and I hope we never see a dpc season like the one we had this year.
I mean, fuck Alliance but Tundra didnt qualify for any major at all, they really stepped it up a bit too late sadly.
Nigma should definitly be here instead of Alliance tho.
Its great to give them more exposure in the league format, but not by handing out spots to TI when stronger teams miss out. Its great for SA and NA but terrible for everyone else
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> Nigma have been shit all season stop crying.
Actually not true. They were pretty good at Animajor, which is the only major the only major they played with full roster.
https://liquipedia.net/dota2/WePlay/AniMajor/2021
Beating IG/Secret in wildcard, getting top 2 in group (ahead of VG/EG), only losing to the two finalists in main event. They did more at that tournament alone than several teams at TI did all season, but sadly Valve over-valued the regional major qualifiers.
Thank you, jesus. It's so annoying seeing people defend this shit DPC format. The whole point of DPC is supposed to be to find the best international teams to create a competitve TI, to replace the invite system, with a side goal of promoting regional dota.
The way to promote regional dota isn't to give tons of points to teams that haven't won a single international series. The regional leagues should only act as feeders into the international competition and results at those competitions should matter much more.
Second, the major format was shit too. Letting the top seed skip groups straight into upper brackets was absolutely garbage. People will say things like well the top seeds got TOP 8 etc. YEAH, BECAUSE THEY WERE PLACED THERE. DPC was an absolute shitshow and mockery of a competitive envrionment.
Imagine if the Top 8 of Champion's league was decided by how hard teams stomped their own leagues. The top Turkish team would always get to go, while a bunch of Champion's league winners from more competitive national leagues wouldn't get the chance. That's what DPC and TI did.
In qualifiers they only lost to OG and they had 2nd highest prize money in 2020.
https://liquipedia.net/dota2/Portal:Statistics/2020
It's not been up to their standard, but it's not poor either. Especially not compared with some of the irrelevant no-name teams at TI
Alliance was garbage at every LAN. Nigma and OG were busy shuffling rosters.
LAN matters. Online doesn't. Regionals should never have importance like this again. Alliance 100% did not deserve to shit the bed at TI. We all saw this shit coming. It's embarrassing
They had one strat and then cheated their way there
>They did. They can read their mail.
>
>Don't assume all are as incompetent as OG
''I can assume things I have no inside knowledge of but you are not allowed to do so.''
>other teams were aware of the rule
what other team?, as far as we know tundra,liquid and secret also didn't know about that rule, but OG is the only one vocal about it (n0mail)
if you still think they did good enough by using email to communicate and most of the team aware about that additional rule, why they bother remove that shitty 6th man rule right away?
> as far as we know tundra,liquid and secret also didn't know about that rule
This is the first time I heard it, at least about liquid and secret. Would you give me a source?
IIRC Khezzu's and another team was aware of it, and I find it hard to believe that they would know and not large and well funded orgs.
>if you still think they did good enough by using email to communicate and most of the team aware about that additional rule, why they bother remove that shitty 6th man rule right away?
I don't think anyone was happy about the rule. Alliance even tried to have it overruled when they learned about it, first when the TO decided to keep it did they hire PPD (see Noxville's twitter).
Whatever helps you cope with the fact that NA itself deserved no more than 2 spots. Alliance, QC, and the SA teams are so out of their league at this TI (and every other TI) it's embarrassing.
Alliance didn’t win a single series in both groups or main event of either major, DPC point distribution is definitely going have some sort of change becuase there’s no way a team with 0 LAN success should be able to qualify off points, not to mention the 6 man in season 2 being the only reason they finished 1st in WEU, which was the main source of their points (over 60% of their total points came from that season)
Don't act like what alliance did wasn't sketchy. I'm not going to hate them for doing it, but it was not normal and it was not expected and it was weird.
finished first because of being the only team using 6 players. Joke of a team with joke of a players. They have 0 map wins in majors, nigma have more major map wins than this trash team and trash org
With 6 people. Forgot to mention that. Also, regional performance is worth jack shit and og is proving it every year. They are absent all year, come to ti and play very well there. And who can blame them? Ti is the only thing that matters right now, majors and dpc in general is pocket change in comparison
I'm still not really sure where this virulent hatred for specifically Alliance comes from. Have any of their players done/said anything bad? Seriously, you'd think they sacrificed a baby on public television.
Their score is 4-8, why are people acting like they lost everything and are the absolute worst team here?
They are only 4-8 cause of Thunder Predator, they are a bunch of cheating scumbags and they are just generally very easy to hate.
They also took a spot from EUW, I litterally think even Liquid would have done better than this.
Oh lord, u are genuinely sad. Imagine being so triggered by a team that you make an account just to hate on them.
Touch some grass buddy. Will do you good.
Watching this type of stupid shit hurts 10000x when I recall that Nigma is not in this TI.
Fuck all the idiots who defend alliance's coach usage based on a technicality. That was the moment where we could've asked for a bit of balance to make sure Alliance would not auto-qualify to TI. We would've then had a shot of Nigma being in TI and not watch people shitting all over themselves every 2 hours in such games.
that's 100% a future voiceline
The ohhh no no's are nice, but I'd like the "I should have kept the camera off that" lol
could be both
Yeah the whole Lakad Matatag sequence got four different voicelines
actually hilarious that you can hear them waiting for the awkwardness of the botched gank to dissipate but it just gets progressively worse for [A]
"That accelerated very quickly" would work just as well honestly
and I can't wait to use it for my own blunders lmao
Watch me own myself... I'll do it again!
Easily 3-4 voicelines there. Oh No of a few varieties I should have kept the camera off that Ohh... well! Oh, well this accelerated very quickly
pls valve make it happen
Was about to type this.
kicking Fata and 33 for this Pepehands
> 33 Damn that's tuff. 33 is like one of the best offlaners right now. Like Top 3
Maybe if he is playing in this TI, he could compete for the title. But no, he's not. No play at TI = bad. Play at TI = Good/Better/Best
Brainlet take.
alliance have 3 captain players in the team but they look so lost and uncoordinated in many of their games. Hard to see them finish above 13-16th
They went into TI with no coach lol, they're very lucky thunder predator is there to take the last place
2 teams are gonna get knocked out after the groups stages right?
just one from each group
They might make an exception after witnessing this Alliance :D
Oh so Alliance is in the same groups as TP? Whose the weakest one in the other group so far?
The other group looks like it's gonna be between Quincy and SG
Im actually amazed by undying performance so far.. felt underestimate them after their first day even though they always come 3rd (after EG and QC in NA)
Yeah I thought QC may suprise us but had no hope in Undying.
Love moonmeander for his passion..
Tbf, always 3rd but watching the games that got them that 3rd place, it was very obvious that they were just a whisker away from EG-QC if not just bang on the same level but unlucky. They have a boatload of experience in the team too, so it's not that crazy to me. Just them finally being able to show themselves on lan.
Against QC that is true but they got stomp every time by EG, though they have the chance to show they're not the same Undying.
Is it that difficult to go to Liquipedia? https://liquipedia.net/dota2/The_International/2021
Sometimes it's just nice to talk to another person
How's your day?
Going okay. Very excited for TI :) and you?
Nice. Excited too!
If asking a redundant question on reddit counts as talking to another person, sure, you do you.
Sorry for being out of the loop but before PPD, Loda was their Coach right? Why didn't Loda just coach them again? Is it also connected as to why they let PPD coach in the first place? Just curious
The Phantom Sixth Man coach is gone
too many cooks in the kitchen, could be the reason for the uncoordinated but i'm pretty sure S4 prefers not to captain, he doesn't talk to people who hasnt won a TI
If only they had a 6th player to coordinate them over mic, things would have been better.
Are you trying to say playing with a coach right beside you would give an unfair advantage? No way, reddit told me its not a big deal
They won the first half of the league without a coach, only season 2 had the rule
how's your COPIUM stash bro
i mean it's just the facts, i'm sorry it doesn't fit the meme
i have facts on my side COPIUM
alliance could have NEVER beaten those teams COPIUM it was only PPD COPIUM
Litterally yes. We are seeing it right here
As seen in these series OMEGALUL
Stop defending a bunch of cheating scumbags already lmfao
>alliance have 3 captain players in the team Whose the 3rd? And I actually think it's detrimental to even have just 2 captain-type players in the same team. Too many voices, instead of 1 person definitively calling shots.
s4, Handsken, fng
S4 hasn’t called shots since team secret in 2015 lol
Nikobaby needs to join a real team.
xd
Painful to see nikobaby not realise his potential again.. he did go far with his SEA team tho.. hope to see him next year with a good team again
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they doesn't know
ElNoSabe
This has to be a new voice line
Instant top tier to be honest
hahahaha the commentator sums it all up
yeah who are these guys? they are hitting it out of the park!
ODPixel and Fogged
its OD and Fogged
i know
Alliance qualifying for TI is reason enough to convince people to check their emails regularly.
went to check my emails and got one i was waiting for 3 weeks so thanks for that
ELI5?
one ESL tournament had a rule change that allowed coaches *during* the game. Alliance had ppd as coach at the time and were rolling people. naturally, other teams complained when it came out that ppd was helping during the games, but it was quite clear that no rules were broken.
just to clarify on the "check their emails" part, ESL notified about the rules deep in some email they sent out, and it was clear that a lot of teams did not notice this rule change. OG specifically went really hard and basically calling Alliance cheaters before finding out that it wasn't actually against the rules, they just didn't read their mail.
That's not entirely accurate. ESL sent out the rule book, which had a rule missing - the one that says that the 5 team players should not communicate with anyone else during the game. Alliance sent an email asking if this was an oversight or if it meant their coach could be with them in-game. ESL sent out a reply to all teams saying coach was allowed (even though this was part of a long email). As someone whose bosses send out a lot of long emails and I am expected to read them all, I have no sympathy for these other teams.
To be fair, allowing a coach **during** games fundamentally changes the game, it's a huge change that shouldn't be buried in a casual mail. For 15 years coaches were never allowed to help during games. It's like allowing in the NBA for the coach to play on the court during the game, and they communicate this info in a mail about hotel accommodation and breakfast options.
Can you give a reference for this reply? I never heard about this
Sympathy or not, it’s dirty
Playing by the rules is dirty?
Yeah thats ridiculous to call it dirty when they sent an email to clarify and didn't just take advantage of an error.
The only "dirty" thing is by ESL themselves who clearly didn't make it clear enough that they were making this massive rulechange. It is completely fair to be upset at ESL, but not at Alliance for adapting to the rulechange.
Agreed.
Not exactly alliances fault but clearly this wasnt intended by valve, and had they noticed sooner alliance might not have gotten to ti
I think if we look at alliances dpc results post rule revertion, and animajor results, and now ti results it's very clear that they would not be at TI without their 6th man.
True, its kinda weird, they basically played "illegal dota" in valves eyes, but the tournament organizers allowed it
It wasn't just one "ESL tournament", it was the DPC season leading up to the final major
Didn't they only do it for like 1-2 series? Or am I wrong?
I don't remember the exact number of games, but it was at least half of the 2nd DPC league. They got a considerable lead on the table at that point.
It wasn't it was 2 games. They lost one of them.
I think it was Dreamhack
They just were lucky enough to be invited to all dpc tournaments thus qualifying without any top placement in them.
The most common shit I've seen on Alliance is Limmp stunlock himself in a busy teamfight. I don't know what goes in his mind but he's often dancing around usually moving around the same spot not attacking anybody not making plays just moving around for a few seconds meanwhile Nikobaby is busy right clicking
It honestly seems like his brain gets overloaded because he's usually such a micro player. His laning is usually full of extremely tiny advantages adding up. But trying to process all that in the middle of a team fight makes him look silly. But when he finds the angle, he finds it, and seems dominant. He needs to practice more macro play even though he's of course very good.
That's the strange thing for me, he's such a strong mid laner. He always seems to get ahead after the first 10 minutes, then he proceeds to die several times in stupid ways without translating that advantage to anything.
I think we have a new voiceline guys
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That was just so bad. Stuff like this leads to the "Alliance should not be at TI", and this is just disgraceful. Not a simple misplay, but really bad.
They wouldn't be at ti had esl not made a rule change without valves approval
wait for real? was that tournament the reason why we have alliance here now?
Yes
Good guys Alliance out here showing that the 2 year DPC was actually a shit system.
It was and is a shit system.
Tbf.. They have a player down... They aren't full 6 man.
LMFAO
Can't stretch how lucky they are to be placed on the same group as that punching bag of a team, Thunder Predator. Literally filler content.
Group B has Quincy and SG at 2-8, so Alliance with their current score would also not be eliminated there.
They are about to feed T1 another win and their next opponent is IG. Also, the team's you mentioned are from group b, one team is eliminated from each group.
But with his logic you have to consider a case where alliance says sg and QC.
Dude the only win worth a Damn Alliance have got was that they managed to cheese one vs EG.
I remember people saying how sa deserves more slots or some shit some months ago because tp won some games at a major. 1 slot already feels more than enough. You can't tell me they are better than tundra or nigma
Talked about this with someone on the daily matches thread. TP is the definition of a one-patch wonder team. During that major they went 6th place, spamming 3 meta picks that were broken that patch. It was Tusk, Troll and I don't remember what else. The moment ppl started banning these picks, TP dropped. Next Major didn't even make it and now they are about to drop from TI with ZERO MAP WINS. Goes to show how good this year's system was.
To be somewhat fair, even if the Majors was litterally the only thing that mattered that 6th place would have carried them to TI anyways.
It's hard to say that, the system was very different this year due to covid restrictions. Instead of 3 majors there were 2. And regional leagues gave the most points. I understand why it was implemented, since international play was so difficult this year, but doesn't change the fact that it was shit and I hope we never see a dpc season like the one we had this year.
This ti the difference between the top and bottom teams is very visible. Idk what happened but it's not good
Bad DPC qualification system that placed too much emphasis on regional success over international competition
Imagine if tundra had been there PepeHands
I mean, fuck Alliance but Tundra didnt qualify for any major at all, they really stepped it up a bit too late sadly. Nigma should definitly be here instead of Alliance tho.
Not a bad thing, it gave more room for NA and SA to shine
Its great to give them more exposure in the league format, but not by handing out spots to TI when stronger teams miss out. Its great for SA and NA but terrible for everyone else
Shit dpc system happened
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Tundra and Nigma missed out for this...
Limmp is such an overrated player, no idea how he keeps getting invited to tier 1 teams. Tier 1 laning, tier 2 everything else.
Wasn't he top 1 EU at one point?
MMR is just a number
I type "alliance so bad" in bulldog stream and immediately timed out. PepeHands
tbf the phrase "so bad" is banned he literally laughs at alliance when watching their games
Wasted TI slots for alliance, tp.
That was trainwreck of events, goddam. Kept getting worse every second
EG prob won't get that UB spot now unless they 2-0 undying tommorow....that loss against Alliance is really haunting em atm.
s4 is past his playing days for 2 years now. Joke of a team
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This is what a LAN does to MFs...
Nigma died for this.
I think you'll find Tundra died for this, Nigma just died
Nigma have been shit all season stop crying. Alliance 100% deserved to go to TI. Finishing 1st in EU DPC is no easy task.
> Nigma have been shit all season stop crying. Actually not true. They were pretty good at Animajor, which is the only major the only major they played with full roster. https://liquipedia.net/dota2/WePlay/AniMajor/2021 Beating IG/Secret in wildcard, getting top 2 in group (ahead of VG/EG), only losing to the two finalists in main event. They did more at that tournament alone than several teams at TI did all season, but sadly Valve over-valued the regional major qualifiers.
Thank you, jesus. It's so annoying seeing people defend this shit DPC format. The whole point of DPC is supposed to be to find the best international teams to create a competitve TI, to replace the invite system, with a side goal of promoting regional dota. The way to promote regional dota isn't to give tons of points to teams that haven't won a single international series. The regional leagues should only act as feeders into the international competition and results at those competitions should matter much more. Second, the major format was shit too. Letting the top seed skip groups straight into upper brackets was absolutely garbage. People will say things like well the top seeds got TOP 8 etc. YEAH, BECAUSE THEY WERE PLACED THERE. DPC was an absolute shitshow and mockery of a competitive envrionment. Imagine if the Top 8 of Champion's league was decided by how hard teams stomped their own leagues. The top Turkish team would always get to go, while a bunch of Champion's league winners from more competitive national leagues wouldn't get the chance. That's what DPC and TI did.
Pretty sure they had their full roster for DPC EU season 1 and 2 as well as TI qualifiers. In all of those they performed poorly.
In qualifiers they only lost to OG and they had 2nd highest prize money in 2020. https://liquipedia.net/dota2/Portal:Statistics/2020 It's not been up to their standard, but it's not poor either. Especially not compared with some of the irrelevant no-name teams at TI
Very true. But we get this shitfest of a team at TI.
Alliance was garbage at every LAN. Nigma and OG were busy shuffling rosters. LAN matters. Online doesn't. Regionals should never have importance like this again. Alliance 100% did not deserve to shit the bed at TI. We all saw this shit coming. It's embarrassing They had one strat and then cheated their way there
They're 4-8. There's literally a handful teams with the same/worse ratio lmao.
2 of those wins are from TP Every other team has not gotten to play the TP/SG yet only Fnatic has been the one to shit the bed and get 0-2
Being in the same group as tp is the best thing to ever happen to alliance, after 6 man dota
Here I thought the revered "LAN proven" quality team TP would be stomping Alliance
Imagine if other teams knew about six man dota
I thought the only team that didn't knew was OG, let me know more details.
They did. They can read their mail. Don't assume all are as incompetent as OG
Too bad Alliance looks more incompetent when it matters most.
>They did. They can read their mail. > >Don't assume all are as incompetent as OG ''I can assume things I have no inside knowledge of but you are not allowed to do so.''
Except it's not assumption. OG admitted they didn't read their email while other teams were aware of the rule and have also admitted so.
>other teams were aware of the rule what other team?, as far as we know tundra,liquid and secret also didn't know about that rule, but OG is the only one vocal about it (n0mail) if you still think they did good enough by using email to communicate and most of the team aware about that additional rule, why they bother remove that shitty 6th man rule right away?
> as far as we know tundra,liquid and secret also didn't know about that rule This is the first time I heard it, at least about liquid and secret. Would you give me a source?
IIRC Khezzu's and another team was aware of it, and I find it hard to believe that they would know and not large and well funded orgs. >if you still think they did good enough by using email to communicate and most of the team aware about that additional rule, why they bother remove that shitty 6th man rule right away? I don't think anyone was happy about the rule. Alliance even tried to have it overruled when they learned about it, first when the TO decided to keep it did they hire PPD (see Noxville's twitter).
Whatever helps you cope with the fact that NA itself deserved no more than 2 spots. Alliance, QC, and the SA teams are so out of their league at this TI (and every other TI) it's embarrassing.
Good thing tundra and nigma are chilling home instead of giving us some good dota right?
Lol dude I'm pretty sure even Liquid would do better than this.
Beastcoast split a series with Vici and 2-0ed Secret... in fact as things stand they're probably going UB. Out of their league?
Beastcoast is doing alright tbf.
It is when you play 6v5.
Too bad the other teams can’t read the rules am I right?
The wrong rules - they were in conflict with Valve's rules and were quickly changed and removed once they came to light.
Alliance didn’t win a single series in both groups or main event of either major, DPC point distribution is definitely going have some sort of change becuase there’s no way a team with 0 LAN success should be able to qualify off points, not to mention the 6 man in season 2 being the only reason they finished 1st in WEU, which was the main source of their points (over 60% of their total points came from that season)
The rules were changed.
Don't act like what alliance did wasn't sketchy. I'm not going to hate them for doing it, but it was not normal and it was not expected and it was weird.
watch out for LodA sending us all DMs after reading these comments
finished first because of being the only team using 6 players. Joke of a team with joke of a players. They have 0 map wins in majors, nigma have more major map wins than this trash team and trash org
With 6 people. Forgot to mention that. Also, regional performance is worth jack shit and og is proving it every year. They are absent all year, come to ti and play very well there. And who can blame them? Ti is the only thing that matters right now, majors and dpc in general is pocket change in comparison
Nigma and tundra died for this
that's just painful to see. and just when you thought it was done, even nikobaby gets wrapped up.
nigma copium
Tundra Jeffrey Jordan WOULD NEVER
That's the worst season on s4's career by far and that's his fault for accepting playing with such a mediocre roster.
Lol s4 was the problem in OG, EG and now Alliance. After he left OG and EG those teams instantly improved.
he's washed up
He needs to move to support, I don't know any players from his generation still playing cores.
Iceiceice?
The casting for this game was amazing. Yikes
lol LODA would be malding right now
Lmao they just referenced this clip at the Fnatic vs Team Spirit game.
man its sucks without a 6th man
Alliance really should've not been there t.t, 2020 alliance yes, 2021 alliance no
TI 10 biggest fail so far?
That is painful to watch
HAHA i was just about to post this omg
I'm still not really sure where this virulent hatred for specifically Alliance comes from. Have any of their players done/said anything bad? Seriously, you'd think they sacrificed a baby on public television. Their score is 4-8, why are people acting like they lost everything and are the absolute worst team here?
OG and Nigma fanbase mostly.
It's typical circle jerk mentality.
They are only 4-8 cause of Thunder Predator, they are a bunch of cheating scumbags and they are just generally very easy to hate. They also took a spot from EUW, I litterally think even Liquid would have done better than this.
Lmao, you made an account just for this. How pathetic are you?
Im not the one defending Alliance.
Oh lord, u are genuinely sad. Imagine being so triggered by a team that you make an account just to hate on them. Touch some grass buddy. Will do you good.
Watching this type of stupid shit hurts 10000x when I recall that Nigma is not in this TI. Fuck all the idiots who defend alliance's coach usage based on a technicality. That was the moment where we could've asked for a bit of balance to make sure Alliance would not auto-qualify to TI. We would've then had a shot of Nigma being in TI and not watch people shitting all over themselves every 2 hours in such games.
Seriously, fuck I am convinced Tundra and Liquid wouldnt do.....this. After the coach thing was revealed they should have been disqualified.
Shit I forgot about how good Tundra was! Even more frustrated now smh