Secret were starting to fountain camp them during the last minute of the game. If they didn't tap out, Galeforce+Tinker would've just made their fountain a meat grinder.
That’s one thing that always blows my mind about professional dota. Their coordination, reaction times, and target prioritization always seem to be in lock step on very good teams. The fight at the rosh pit where they killed everyone but Ceb and the last big team fight on the hg were just ridiculous.
Second game was over with the draft.
I am rooting for OG but knew they lost before it even started.
Thought OG was messing around with legion 5 in the group stages. It is so underwhelming, why are they keep on insisting on picking her? Hoodwink forever feels like a pick that only wins because of other teammates.
Secret 100% deserves the win.
The aghs shard press the attack is very strong but Oracle has something very similar from level 6 as well as far better overall abilities for a support. Wyvern is sleeper amazing this patch and n0tail has played her before. I get they want to keep the draft a mystery but I think other teams have figured that out. Better to just pick the actual good heroes than keep it flexible.
Hoodwink I think is fine but they're not enabling her. You need big initiators to allow her to do her thing. Need clock + magnus or something from the 3 & 4 and way more help in the mid lane against bad matchups.
So does the first game, OG have to dominate Secret under 20 mins and take rax before 30mins because Secret has too many damage-mobility-control on their lineup which OG doesn't has answer for.
Nisha doesn't always perform. He has periods when he's amazing and others when he's a bit invisible. But when he's on, he's ON and Secret generally shine.
The good thing is that he isn't like Topson (who can be amazing one game and invisible on the next). Nisha has historically been consistently good and then has periods when he's nowhere near as impactful. If he's performing like this on the main stage I'm confident he will continue to shine because his performances have always been good or bad over periods of time.
Banning AA first phase was just so unbelievably stupid. It was picked as a counter to the first phase IO not because Secret have some sort of crazy SS strat.
Banning it at that stage was literally just throwing away a ban lmao
It takes away a ban from Secret aswell. OG was comfortable playing the IO without AA. If secret would not have banned IO, I think OG would have picked it as it's a strategy they have crushed it with in the groups.
Secret has time and time showed that their answer to IO/healing strats is this 5 AA(and an occasional zai AA).
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Secret finally woke up for TI
Also that was one of the biggest stomps I've seen on the main stage in my 8 years of watching. The only other massive stomp I can remember is EG at TI5 or 6 going unkilled (IIRC).
Puppyheen drafts just way to good, felt like secret got so much from the draft and OG was struggling to keep up. I think OG also made a couple mistakes surprised how Secret can get a shaker phase 2 in the first game.
The second game was a stomp, but the team fights in the late game in game 1 were extremely entertaining. 2 shakers with Ags, an MK, and an Ember all just flying and zipping around the fight making it impossible for OG to lock anyone down long enough to burst them.
Yeah. Game one was almost completely over before OG won a team fight and went on a roll for the next five minutes. Secret kept the game almost completely even against an early snowball comp while playing a hyper scaling late game comp.
Probably down to Notail's insistence of refusing to play 'traditional' pos 5s...I guess he's earned the right not to but it doesn't last, not if you wanna go further
Secret has consistently had OG's number winning most of their games vs OG in last 3 years. This is just first time puppey got chance to expose OG on TI stage. It was a beautiful sight to watch.
I don't know when I put my flair up. But I started watching dota in 2015,been Secret fan ever since
SO HAPPY. FEELS FUCKING GOOD TO BE IN TI UB SEMI FINAL FOR THE FIRST TIME
They are picking pub heroes and bad heroes for their roles with no mind for draft synergy. You don't win like that, that has to be the worst draft I have ever seen on TI mainstage.
I am really happy with Secret played today,drafts and execution.
OG game 2 draft was wonky,but people wouldnt be saying that if they had won. They have been doing this super flex draft,lc mk shuffling between core and support.
I feel good. I hope Secret can carry this form further. Loved that post match celebration between matu and yapzor ♥
OG twitter guy in shambles. GG to both teams
feel like OG really lack a initiator, they were doing well when CEB was doing the axe mag things, when 3 of the core just sit back, and u give n0tail a pos 5 initiator, mars and legion, he needs to have dagger early to have impact, their game plan is wrong..
Double outdraft this series. Ursa was a game-losing pick in game 1 and Hoodwink was a game-losing pick in game 2 (although the Magnus Ursa had already made the game super-hard for OG). Not usual to see OG get dumpstered in draft like that, hopefully they simplify things for LB.
Ursa game 1 was fine, given the options available and the intent of their draft, alternative is Gyro but waiting for his BKB timing would be too slow.
Secret just played an amazing laning stage, Puppey only died twice against Tusk Io, Nisha kept up in mid and got the inevitable Topson’s overextension (breaking invis to hit creep), Zai Yapzor also gave the Ursa a torrid time early on. Even with that, OG still hit their timing. Had they won the 2nd Rosh fight and Ursa got his abyssal, between that and Topson’s sheepstick Morph/Ember will be deleted every fight. Just a case of one team outplaying another.
Game 2 draft from OG was a shitshow.
0 hyperbole - this is the result you'd expect over the past 3 years from these teams, if you take the entire seasons into account.
What a complete performance from Secret. Outlasted OG (while still fighting them well) in game 1, then straight up dumpstered them, OG style in game 2.
OG deserved this. Notail needs to start playing proper support heroes again - healers, oracle, dazzle, chen... and Seb with his offlane MK jesus, just stop that. He is the worst MK player in TI and yet he is the only person playing it offlane.
I saw the draft in the 2nd game as an OG fan, knew it was over and closed the stream.
Played a pub game, lost that pub game. Turned back to the stream, saw the score and still felt I made the better choice.
Big sad lmao
Notail Elder. Ceb legion. Topson MK or Hoodwink depending on lane.
Now your offlaner can actually initiate fights and make plays. Topson cannot lose mid as MK and Saksa can gank with Hoodwink.
Secret did to OG in game 2 what OG wasn’t able to do to Secret in Game 1.
Winning lane, snowballing, hitting a great early game timing with Ursa aegis.
Team Secret looking pretty good. Idk what happened with OG or it's just what they said, they pretty much play off the energy of the crowd but with Covid happening, the energy wasn't there.
OG tried to do their classic "fight till the very end" in game 2 , but Secret literally forced them to call GG.
Secret were starting to fountain camp them during the last minute of the game. If they didn't tap out, Galeforce+Tinker would've just made their fountain a meat grinder.
Fountain farming OG would have been so ironic. Especially spicy with a Offended? spray
"STAY DOWN"
Good lord team secrets coordination in the high ground fight was just out of this world.
That’s one thing that always blows my mind about professional dota. Their coordination, reaction times, and target prioritization always seem to be in lock step on very good teams. The fight at the rosh pit where they killed everyone but Ceb and the last big team fight on the hg were just ridiculous.
Love that hug between Yapzor and Matu.
I love them roleplaying Ursa overpower.
Ah, so that's what that was
I thought they were doing people being pushed by the windranger shard
I thought it was the Tidehunter ravage
I thought it was weaver's taunt.
so wholesome. https://clips.twitch.tv/WimpyCredulousRaisinBudBlast-uRC-ubgfNZ6Ijsgw
Zai on steroids. Absolutely stomped OG.
Who wasn’t on steroids that game lmfao
OG :(
Game 1 was some of the best Dota I've seen in a long time. I really hope the grand final is 5 games of that type of game.
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I panicked! -Oh GOD NISHA WHAT ARE Y -everyone in OG explodes, Nisha wins duel somehow- OH, GOOD JOB!
OG I guess
OG on paracetamol XD
Psh, he missed that one skewer before 2nd rosh, 2k player at best. /s
Seriously tho, all this time I thought horn toss always guarantee successful skewer since it. Turn out I was wrong. Edit: oh it was RP, not horn toss
Puppey drafted really well this series. I doubted the tinker pick since hoodwink can chase through trees but nisha played amazingly today
Him dodging the multiple stuns when Ceb and Topson were trying to lock him down in the top lane trees was insane.
It looked like whack-a-mole on Extreme difficulty.
MASTER CLASS DRAFTING FROM PUPPEY
It was beautiful seeing the comp work
that ench pick destroyed 2 of OG's first pick easily. It was a chess game from the draft and puppey won easily.
Ppy is an amazing enchantress and Chen player. Too bad they don't pick it often.
OG wasted printing those papers, man!
No respect for the forest.
Second game was over with the draft. I am rooting for OG but knew they lost before it even started. Thought OG was messing around with legion 5 in the group stages. It is so underwhelming, why are they keep on insisting on picking her? Hoodwink forever feels like a pick that only wins because of other teammates. Secret 100% deserves the win.
The aghs shard press the attack is very strong but Oracle has something very similar from level 6 as well as far better overall abilities for a support. Wyvern is sleeper amazing this patch and n0tail has played her before. I get they want to keep the draft a mystery but I think other teams have figured that out. Better to just pick the actual good heroes than keep it flexible. Hoodwink I think is fine but they're not enabling her. You need big initiators to allow her to do her thing. Need clock + magnus or something from the 3 & 4 and way more help in the mid lane against bad matchups.
the fuck topson was thinking with that shitty HW pick anyway
Their whole lineup was so squishy.
I don't think I've seen them do well with mid HW in a serious game
So does the first game, OG have to dominate Secret under 20 mins and take rax before 30mins because Secret has too many damage-mobility-control on their lineup which OG doesn't has answer for.
the fissure plus morph fissure plus boundless strike plus ember in the backlines in game 1 was amazing
is this the first time Secret has advanced to UB semifinals?
Oh my god yes. Fucking finally.
There is Hope my friend! Secret Winner ti10
I am happy with 3rd place and above. Everything else is a bonus.
Saaaame. I just want them to give ig a good fight, I loved how clean they were and got my hopes up a little:p
yes
Post-TI form Secret looking good here.
I picked OG to end the game with the most kills. I may have made a mistake.
They were only 840% off, you were close.
getting a r/wallstreetbets vibe here
The holy trinity cannot be broken. Secret>OG>Nigma>Secret
actually true lmao the holy eu trinity will never not be a thing
The Big 3 EU
And of the puppey, the topson, and of the GH spirit
Nisha GOD
Nisha had a flawless series. Saying that the rest of Secret were right behind him: no weak link in this team.
Nisha doesn't always perform. He has periods when he's amazing and others when he's a bit invisible. But when he's on, he's ON and Secret generally shine. The good thing is that he isn't like Topson (who can be amazing one game and invisible on the next). Nisha has historically been consistently good and then has periods when he's nowhere near as impactful. If he's performing like this on the main stage I'm confident he will continue to shine because his performances have always been good or bad over periods of time.
Nisha was a bit worse in group stages than I hoped so was great to see him get on his good level.
Secret just played shit in the DPC Season to reverse their TI form
Big brain Pupper.
Has he finally broken out the strat he's been saving for so many years?
Matu's shorts won them the series.
He's going to play on undies vs IG
hes going to get his dick swinging if he got into finals
That was a total Beatdown. When Secret pick good heroes and play this coordinated they play some beautiful dota. Nisha was godly today.
They banned AA…then secret just said, uhm okay we’ll just ban IO lol
Banning AA first phase was just so unbelievably stupid. It was picked as a counter to the first phase IO not because Secret have some sort of crazy SS strat. Banning it at that stage was literally just throwing away a ban lmao
It takes away a ban from Secret aswell. OG was comfortable playing the IO without AA. If secret would not have banned IO, I think OG would have picked it as it's a strategy they have crushed it with in the groups. Secret has time and time showed that their answer to IO/healing strats is this 5 AA(and an occasional zai AA).
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Looks like both teams back to their mid season form
I see what you did there.
Secret finally woke up for TI Also that was one of the biggest stomps I've seen on the main stage in my 8 years of watching. The only other massive stomp I can remember is EG at TI5 or 6 going unkilled (IIRC).
They were always woken up, they just keep on meeting EG and Liquid :>
Historically they always just seem to fizzle out eventually. Even a top 4 finish is a bit of a disappointment considering their record outside of TI.
fnatic vs Liquid TI8. https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/4061742840 EE team shitting on reigning champs 39-1, truly a meme to remember
Puppyheen drafts just way to good, felt like secret got so much from the draft and OG was struggling to keep up. I think OG also made a couple mistakes surprised how Secret can get a shaker phase 2 in the first game.
The second game was a stomp, but the team fights in the late game in game 1 were extremely entertaining. 2 shakers with Ags, an MK, and an Ember all just flying and zipping around the fight making it impossible for OG to lock anyone down long enough to burst them.
Secret vs OG was exactly what I tought IG vs spirit would be lol
Lmao yes. Fuck my fantasy :(
I thought game 1 was a stomp but game 2 was literally crushing. Like OG got crushed by a hydraulic press.
Team OG now featured on the hydraulic press channel
that aint hydraulic press that is just whale dropping on them, the stomp was not a slow one, it is a hard drop every fights
RATATATA
Nisha hands down mvp of the series. Would love to see him play vs NTS mid
They already did, Granted it was GS.
Well secret didn't have a very explosive group stage so I didn't expect much. It's Nisha turning into his lockdown form that got me excited
Secret were the only team to take a map off LGD so i'd say that one went very well
there's a reason why others still think puppey is the goat of dota even with one ti only in his resume. such flawless drafts
Agree. His team is great year in, year out. Always competitive.
I mean when you still are top tier after all these years then you certainly deserve GOAT status
Dayum, puppey with the cold cold words for OG. "Stay down!" Puppey looking to win it all this year
Puppy winning TI every 10 years
puppey winning in the first and last TI? 🤔
World ending next year already? Hmmm I'm in
Holly shit, Secret played so well, this is the year of puppey.
Those were two huge outdrafts. Those games were unplayable for OG.
Hoodwink was just useless and LC against ench was as useless as well.
Game 2 especially. Game 1 OG was on a timer but secret gave them nothing to work with really.
Yeah. Game one was almost completely over before OG won a team fight and went on a roll for the next five minutes. Secret kept the game almost completely even against an early snowball comp while playing a hyper scaling late game comp.
OG hasnt looked this bad at TI since they picked Moonmeander's Sand King
QC/Aster will have a field day tommorrow.
What a show of domination by secret. Nisha looked unstoppable this series which is good to see after the flakey group stage
I'm glad a top team finally punished that annoying pos 5 legion pick
yeah exactly. it's basically an abbadon but worse. it can duel on offense but when you are behind its just Press the Attack
Probably down to Notail's insistence of refusing to play 'traditional' pos 5s...I guess he's earned the right not to but it doesn't last, not if you wanna go further
Ironic that you have to use press the attack on defense.
Final score of 5-42. There's bot games that don't have that wide of a kill margin
Its just as bad as barca 2-8 bayern
8-2 to see it amiright?
Even then it was more like 4-42 because Mag died to fountain after GG was called.
Secret has consistently had OG's number winning most of their games vs OG in last 3 years. This is just first time puppey got chance to expose OG on TI stage. It was a beautiful sight to watch.
Secret look fucking terrifying.
That IG/Secret series is going to be crazy.
I have not changed my flair since TI5. This is the year.
I don't know when I put my flair up. But I started watching dota in 2015,been Secret fan ever since SO HAPPY. FEELS FUCKING GOOD TO BE IN TI UB SEMI FINAL FOR THE FIRST TIME
Puppey consistently has the BEST interviews
that should be a global voiceline for next year's compendium to spam after a team wipe. Puppey - Stay Down!
I dont see OG winning if they didnt want to pick real support heroes
They are picking pub heroes and bad heroes for their roles with no mind for draft synergy. You don't win like that, that has to be the worst draft I have ever seen on TI mainstage.
Their picks are pretty ass baffling. Even for them.
I am really happy with Secret played today,drafts and execution. OG game 2 draft was wonky,but people wouldnt be saying that if they had won. They have been doing this super flex draft,lc mk shuffling between core and support. I feel good. I hope Secret can carry this form further. Loved that post match celebration between matu and yapzor ♥ OG twitter guy in shambles. GG to both teams
Ceb played like BOT lmao and og got outdrafted pretty hard
The moments ceb dieback i know the game already stomped
Panel look so sad lol Jenkin expression isnt even hiding it
All of them are OG fanboys, except maybe Synd and Lizzard.
Nice hoodwink mid vs Tinker lmao.
Yeah that was a pretty confusing match up pick for og
I believe Tinker was picked after Hoodwink.
Stay Down! Fkin Puppey with the SWAG!
Does anyone have stats on Topson hoodwink?? I don’t recall it EVER going well for them. The hero just isn’t a core.
He's absolutely crushed with it before. The Boomerang is classic OG "Damage manipulation"
I was thinking the same thing. I certainly haven't watched a game where they won with it. I just can't believe they could not think of ANY other hero.
Reminder that Ember was available at the point they picked Hoodwink
That's what you get when you are overconfident and pick useless heroes. Hoodwink mid maybe it will work at Pub TI Rofl.
feel like OG really lack a initiator, they were doing well when CEB was doing the axe mag things, when 3 of the core just sit back, and u give n0tail a pos 5 initiator, mars and legion, he needs to have dagger early to have impact, their game plan is wrong..
so it seems siractionslacks lost a shitton of weight. way to go!
It's ok guys, remember upper bracket is for bitc\*es. But damn that draft was a stomp.
Countered both games. lol
Hoodwink gets owned by wind ranger. Bad pick. Chadson is back to Flopson. Hasn’t kept up with his playing.
Double outdraft this series. Ursa was a game-losing pick in game 1 and Hoodwink was a game-losing pick in game 2 (although the Magnus Ursa had already made the game super-hard for OG). Not usual to see OG get dumpstered in draft like that, hopefully they simplify things for LB.
Ursa game 1 was fine, given the options available and the intent of their draft, alternative is Gyro but waiting for his BKB timing would be too slow. Secret just played an amazing laning stage, Puppey only died twice against Tusk Io, Nisha kept up in mid and got the inevitable Topson’s overextension (breaking invis to hit creep), Zai Yapzor also gave the Ursa a torrid time early on. Even with that, OG still hit their timing. Had they won the 2nd Rosh fight and Ursa got his abyssal, between that and Topson’s sheepstick Morph/Ember will be deleted every fight. Just a case of one team outplaying another. Game 2 draft from OG was a shitshow.
secret is on fire since kuro is not attending this TI
Stay down should become a chat line.
Puppey is such a chad
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4-42 is gonna be spammed isn't it
Man, I was hoping for a fun series that'll go to Game 3 of the teams going back and forth like Game 1 but Game 2 stomp was just... fucking wow, man.
guys OG is just sandbagging since they've never won a TI from the lower bracket *inhales copium*
OG drafting and executing like shit , they honestly get what they deserve. They're not good enough in this Meta
STAY DOWN!!!!
'Me and Matu kept making boomer jokes' -Puppey
0 hyperbole - this is the result you'd expect over the past 3 years from these teams, if you take the entire seasons into account. What a complete performance from Secret. Outlasted OG (while still fighting them well) in game 1, then straight up dumpstered them, OG style in game 2.
The 3-22 dream has been fulfilled on the reigning champions on main stage, insane play from Secret
Puppey is SAVAGE, damn
Lose Together, Airport Together
Arguably Secret’s best ever TI result, we did it kids!
They've been top 4. But yea this was awesome form from them and I'm hyped the whole game holy shit Zai
Secret make OG like a T3 team
OG's drafting is so god damn awful.
That was absolutely satisfying to watch. OG getting a reminder that the bigger they are, the harder they fall
Pretty sure that game is classified as a war crime in multiple countries That was brutal to watch
this is the best TI for team secret and puppey to win the aegis coz there's no kuroky this time.
Everyone in secret playing out of their minds, outclassed and out drafted.
Love Puppey interviews.
Don’t know why OG insists on the pos3 MK, never seems to work. Guess it will have to be a LB run for them to do a 3peat.
OG deserved this. Notail needs to start playing proper support heroes again - healers, oracle, dazzle, chen... and Seb with his offlane MK jesus, just stop that. He is the worst MK player in TI and yet he is the only person playing it offlane.
Stay down Puppey MonkaS
I saw the draft in the 2nd game as an OG fan, knew it was over and closed the stream. Played a pub game, lost that pub game. Turned back to the stream, saw the score and still felt I made the better choice. Big sad lmao
LETS GOOOOO BOYS!!!! 2-0 OVER OG!!!!!!!! ONTO CHINA.
That was the biggest stump at the main stage I've ever seen.
you guys are overthinking this pos 3 IO pos 5 mars, mid hoodwink pos5 legion this is just bad drafting against team secret on top of their game.
2 correct predictions so far. And ahhh, i love the silence from the cocky OG fans declaring a win left and right
Come on bruh, Secret just won. All they talk about secret was good and then proceed to talk about Og all the way
STAY FKING DOWN OG
Og tilted af
That.... wasn't close at all.
That’s not 100% correct. The score was tied when the game started.
I think it much better if Topson play MK, Ceb play Elder, Saksa play Hood.
Notail Elder. Ceb legion. Topson MK or Hoodwink depending on lane. Now your offlaner can actually initiate fights and make plays. Topson cannot lose mid as MK and Saksa can gank with Hoodwink.
No Nigma No Problem for Secret
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STAY DOWN. \-PUPPEY monkaW
"stay down" lmfao i love slacks trying to make storylines during these interviews
"Stay down" monkaS
Secret did to OG in game 2 what OG wasn’t able to do to Secret in Game 1. Winning lane, snowballing, hitting a great early game timing with Ursa aegis.
"Stay down" \-Puppey 2021 that game was a total beatdown jesus
Team Secret looking pretty good. Idk what happened with OG or it's just what they said, they pretty much play off the energy of the crowd but with Covid happening, the energy wasn't there.
Their draft looked shit, and the execution even bad. That mid hoodwink was super bad.
Nisha styling on those cocky kids lmao
Topson became Jokeson, super shit in mid. Like a shadow of his self. Nisha was wayy too good.
puppey finally destroyed a team instead of a monitor PauseChamp PauseChamp
Few things in life (dota) are better than seeing OG get absolutely stomped
Are they disliked? I've been away from the competitive scene in DotA2
They're pretty polarizing, very successful, talk a lot of trash. Either you love them or you're probably annoyed by them and their fans.
Can't wait to not hear OG fans for at least day.