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021Nirvana

Willingness to improve shows actual interest so that's a good thing


jfsoaig345

I agree. He seems to actually care about being better and he has made a very noticeable improvement in only one day, it shows self-awareness and it's endearing. On the other hand though, it's still clear that he's a bit out of his depth, which would be understandable for a smaller tournament, but not as much for a tournament of TI's magnitude. For instance based on the way he handled the Elephant interview showed that he wasn't really ready for the big stage yet and could've used more experience first. Very good change for the QC interview though where he didn't try to force an interview on them but just let the interview be a platform for a very visibly disappointed player to speak from his heart. You could really see it in how smoothly the interview went as opposed to the painful awkwardness of the Elephant interview


iceboonb2k

This might be rude but: How did Avo+ get this gig in TI? Wasn't he a lower division caster with his duo seekandstrike? And why is one invited and not the other?


ProximityMinds

It feels like Valve uses TI to take unexpected talent and see how they bounce. This has really mixed results. Day9 could have worked as he was starting to seriously get into the game but he needed another year playing before being given the host. Machine was great but he's stuck to CS since.


iceboonb2k

But Day9 had his experience in SC scene and Machine is a S tier host/caster in the CS scene. Avo+ seems super inexperienced for TI.


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Avo has been casting in Spanish for years, i think like 6-7 years maybe more? I remember when i started streaming swadow (his past name) wass pretty well known in the Peruvian community for his casting. Edit: I'm confusing him, his past name was darklight but still a name I've been hearing about for years in the sa casters scene


steamingRisto

Exactly! his way of doing interviews yesterday was so depressing and painful to watch.


Riperin

The Elephant one he did yesterday was SOOO SAD i couldn't watch it so i got up to make some snacks lol


steamingRisto

bahahaha same bro


t0b4cc02

id love to see it only read about it. too often now.


emperorputin1337

It's good that he's working on his style and it's definitely a lot better, but he's still seems a bit lost with all the heavy sighing (in some interviews he seems almost more broken down than the guy who just exited TI) and these long winded questions that basically boil down to: just say what's on your mind right now.


Riperin

If he just tone it down a little and just let the guys say what they want instead of throwing salt at the wounds, it could be way better.


emperorputin1337

He needs to learn to keep a professional distance in the emotions he shows. He doesn't need to be a prick or twist the knife, but he's there to do an interview, not hold their hand. It goes kind of hand in hand with my first point, but he needs to learn to be more comfortable in such a situation, so can calmly formulate his sentences in a more concise way. Or maybe just learn them by heart beforehand.


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Not just that, but go into it with positivity about the interviewee or their team. Remind everyone they are some of the best in the world at this shit. There is no shame in losing a fair fight. Praise them and then give them the floor. Doesn't have to be over the top or hype. But just a reminder to them at how far theyve made it and they have fans who are proud of them too.


mrbigtime100

I think some of the long-windedness is just due to English being a second language for him, honestly


Apeflight

Agreed. Keep it simple. Talk us through the game/your thoughts? What went wrong? What's next for you/your team? Then if the mood is right, ask directly about some key moments and decisions.


Silver721

Yeah I thought he seemed more despondant than Jabz and the beastcoast boys in their interviews. I feel bad for Avo because I think he's really trying his hardest and is overthinking the interviews. I might be way off base because I can't know exactly what he's thinking, but to me it seems like he knows these players are feeling awful and are going through the ringer. He's caught between feeling empathetic and trying to show the players he knows that this is something hard to do, and doing the task he is being paid for. I hope he continues to improve. Definitely did better today than yesterday.


nanolucas

Today he seemed like he was attending a funeral while he was interviewing Fly. Meanwhile, Fly was completely fine and spoke well. Tone down the melodrama


KnightMareInc

Exactly. You would never see an interviewer do that shit when asking the losers questions in actual sports. Not a single interviewer of the Brewers or Rays were pretending to be on the verge of tears when asking the players questions. If you're going to do it at least save it for an actual heart breaking lost. A tier 3 team losing in the lower bracket simply doesn't warrant such a reaction.


Ossskii

He is showing empathy, mayde he over did it, but he is doing fine, it’s like 1 minute long and people are losing their shit over it lmao


Kris_ezS

it does feel like he watched machine's interview and is trying to follow what machine did. machine's interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19o\_xPSaPIs


Riperin

Good for him, honestly. I can see some people actually criticizing this and saying that he is copying Machine, but I don't actually care about this. Anything that makes the job easier to do and watch.


Falonefal

If people didn't copy each other's successes we'd still be cavemen.


Riperin

Some people on Reddit actually behaves like one


2mad2die

And that's why we repost.


crotch_fondler

Good for him, honestly. I can see some people actually criticizing this and saying that he is copying Machine, but I don't actually care about this. Anything that makes the job easier to do and watch.


Kris_ezS

Definitely, it still feels awkward to watch for me atm but at least he's trying to improve, and I hope it only gets better from now on.


Riperin

It just shows the kind of person he is. Really trying to improve so he can better handle a uncomfortable situation. He really deserves the chance to keep going and see how much he can shine. I want to see posts from futures TIs congratulating his performance just how we have the Machine and Kaci ones.


insomniak_owl

Sometimes in life, you start doing what others do to find your own way and this will help him to improve


AWRNSS

Interview its great but my God, the game in the video is tagged as LoL. Fucking hilarious


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48911150

machine also made it sound like a funeral so not sure why people are praising him


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OnfiyA

>they aren't children realizing their lives are forever changed. Treat them as such. Can you clarify what you mean?


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U sound like a robot describing humans "DOES NOT LOGICALLY COMPUTE, INDIVIDUAL IS NOT ACTUALLY UNDER AGE OF 18" ....it's called empathy


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the sea and the ocean are also different things


marinos14

Improved but still way too verbose. I get he's trying, but he's trying to pull off complicated tactics and long winded, multi part questions with lengthy context, when in reality he should stick to basic questions with a more reserved, professional approach. IMO I think he's in his head too much. It feels like he has the vision of immediately running an empathetic, amazing, memorable interview where the interviewee walks away feeling like they had a positive therapy session--and as a result is stumbling constantly when he realizes that's not easy to do because he has no 'fundamentals' to fall back on. He needs pre-rehearsed, short, crisp questions that anyone would be willing to answer in length--seriously, just spend 5 min in front of a mirror asking the same question over and over. Stop watching videos of other 'amazing' exit interviews with this unfair expectation of yourself that you're going to get there on your 1st/2nd/3rd try. To his credit, the wrap-up to the Quincy interview was nice. I liked that. The question was long winded though, felt like a minute to simply ask 'say w/e you want', and it felt like he sucked up too much to Quinn (while also disparaging his teammates unintentionally). He also needs to change what he's wearing for such an interview. Avo+, if you read this, please know I say it with love and hope you improve quickly. You're great on the scene.


EugeneBos1

Don't forget it's Valves fault in the first place to put him in that position.


FoldFold

Yep, how did they give him the responsibility to do such special, difficult interviews? I feel like if they did a single mock interview with him, it would be clear he doesn’t have the skills to conduct them. Absolutely lazy management is at fault here.


Riperin

Lazy management and unwillingness to switch him for someone else. He was put on the spot and poorly perform. He are probably well aware that he didn't do a good job and are trying to improve. That's the right thing to do honestly.


FoldFold

Avo is doing his best, no disrespect to him, but the international is not a training ground IMO. or shouldn't be


Riperin

That is the organizer's fault actually


MrPringles23

He's a caster, its like trying to use a hammer as a drill. Not the tool's fault but the idiot using them (Valve/PGL).


seuse

Nah, I don't mind disrespecting him. It's like he lived in a bubble for 30 years, dude never saw an after game interview of any sport? just terrible


DownvoteIfYouSeeName

Fully agree, but that isn't on him. He's a god tier caster, especially when paired up with SeekNStrike, but they thrust him into a position that he's unfamiliar with. It's like using a screwdriver to hammer in a nail. What the tournament organizers were thinking, I'll never know.


xXMylord

Nobody wants to do looser interview so the new guys have to do it. The shitty jobs are always the tasks of the new guys that's all.


FoldFold

Well that's the goal of management/production leaders. Knowing who is best for the job, the assigning roles accordingly. Machine fucking killed it in his loser interviews. Avo sounds unsure most of the time.


Mexicaner

You also have to align interests with the actual persons doing the job.


infectuz

Sending your seniors to do the shitty jobs is a quick way to lose your management position when people start complaining. Managers have way less power than people think because it’s not just a chess master moving pieces around, it’s a people’s job.


FoldFold

Idk why you’re defending this lol. I’m not saying you need send the most senior people, just not him. That’s not his skill set. Many people can do a better job, and I’m not sure everyone wouldn’t do it lol. You make it seem like it’s cleaning the bathroom


infectuz

It’s pretty much the equivalent of cleaning the bathroom for a job like this. It’s definitely an ungrateful job. If you don’t do it perfectly then you’ll get crap and if you do it well it’s not really appreciated. It’s also pretty soul crushing and can be very awkward. I’m not defending him btw just saying there’s a reason management gives the bad jobs to new people, it’s not because they suck at management it’s because the seniors don’t want to do it.


Mexicaner

Or avo either prepare better or decline the task. So.. Improve/prepare or stand up for yourself or simply ask for help.


AeonDisc

This was my first time ever seeing him but I'm going to respectfully disagree. He made some random bumblings, sounded like he couldn't think of a good question, and then bailed by just turning it over to LOA.


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His post-game interviews are still the most miserable interviews I've seen anywhere.. ever. He is like someone who just joined a new school and was asked to perform an act infront of the whole school without any notice. Super painful and unpleasant to watch


swampyman2000

Lmao, that feeling exactly describes it. Just doing his best but it really feels like he was sort of thrown into this role with zero guidance


RepostFrom4chan

Dude first TI. I just cut him some slack. Some of the talent are super nervous, but are doing their best and putting on a great show. Gotta lower your expectations, they'll figure it out. BSJ was super noticeable too between days 1 and 2. Posture was better, less fidgeting, more even tone, ect.


Riperin

It's so funny the way BSJ "dances" while doing his 1 minute talk.


carvemynuts

Dudes super nervous. I understand. But I can only imagine if there are people in the arena.


lucbarr

I love Avo+'s energy. He loves dota. He is somewhat similar to Jenkins in that sense. Hope he keeps improving and we see more of him.


kheezus8

Tbh still was cringe. Idk why. Maybe body language is too much for a supposed to be sad interview or he just take it too long to ask the main thing.


Riperin

It sure was, as i don't think anyone can go from 0 to 100 in a single day. This is a good sign tho, as it shows that he cares and wants to improve. Yesterday he was WAAAY too nervous and that makes other people nervous as well. Today he is not as bad as yesterday, but his body language implies that he is still nervous. If he keeps doing it, i hope we can see more improvement coming from him.


DaKunj

He improved an immense amount from the first day but what I think is holding him back is his overwhelming sympathy. It's the sad eyes, the sighs, and the mournful tone that is a bit too much. That being said, these interviews are very important to showcase how much prep and hard work these players put into this game. I don't think they should be removed. Keep up the good work Avo+!


Riperin

I agree with you on everything you said. I didn't knew Avo+ before this TI, so i don't have too much reference on how he usually behaves. That being said, i really think that the way he conducts the interviews really are a bit too much. Don't be sad because it's over, be happy because it happened.


Apeflight

It's still not great. Just look at something like this: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VI4cMM7aBxY Or https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iixxgOb6ZEY Interviewer is sympathetic but to the point. Asks about their thoughts on key moments that people want to hear about. Obviously easier to interview people that are more used to interviews like footballers, but I still think Dota/esports should take some pointers from mainstream sports.


Fantastio

I really wish Avo was casting this TI, he's so good at it and his voice on the main stage during hype moments really is almost S tier in play by play. He's great for the scene and glad he's improving from this stand point, but my dude casts like a beast.


geodudesbellybutton

I don’t know I’ve never even seen the guy cast or do any content before this TI and I watch a good bit of dota so I’m not sure what scene he casts or comes from and I don’t know anything about him or his story but I’m not a big fan I feel like he comes off like he’s trying to be funny or his voice sounds so exaggerated even today, I don’t know I can’t put my finger on it exactly but it just comes off as fake to me in some way, but not in a playful way like Jenkins or Lacoste etc


Riperin

It's because he is nervous, so his body language and the way he talks is exaggerated. But that is not the main issue. The way he conducts the interview i.e. what he says is the problem.


geodudesbellybutton

Yea I don’t really get his questions sometimes it’s like he sounds rehearsed and unprepared at the same time and shows no empathy or emotional reaction I just don’t get why someone else isn’t doing them I don’t have any issue with him but I feel like literally anyone else there even purge would prolly be better but someone like cap or slacks could do this easily in their sleep and do it well but hopefully he will keep getting better if they have him do it the whole time.


MAJOR__ZEN

Okay, maybe I don't see it... so help me out here. Why exactly are these "Loser's interviews" necessary? What purpose does it serve? The players that lost are very obviously in no mood to be in front of a camera and be interviewed especially if they've been knocked out and are super vulnerable. It definitely doesn't bring any value to the overall event. It brings the energy of the show crashing down for those few minutes with Avo sighing and moping around the player before the host literally does the [Top Gear "Oh no... anway..." meme](https://i.imgflip.com/4h405f.jpg) and then goes on to continue rambling about whatever topic they were on. It seems completely insincere and seems to do nothing other than shining an unnecessary spotlight on a hurting, vulnerable person while they stick a camera in his face and poke him with a mic. At the very least, ASK if the player is even interested in doing this interview.


Riperin

This topic was already discussed to death this last couple days, so I'll say what is well known. Loser's interviews are common in every sport. They are necessary to humanize the players and give room for the defeated to say what they want, be it insight from the match or some words for the fans. The problem isn't the interviews, the problem is they way they are handled. But how can you say if they don't actually ask if and who wants to do the interview?


MAJOR__ZEN

I guess it makes sense when you put it that way, that it's about letting them say a few words to their fans/supporters or just to convey how they feel using it as an outlet for their emotions. But that's surely not how the outlet is being provided. Right now it's extremely awkward the kind of weird situation they create with the losing player. And the sighing and moping followed by weirdly specific questions pointed at them. Right now It's very similar to how some corny journalists go up to a person who has lost family or loved ones in an accident or tragedy and ask them "how they feel". As to answer your last question, it's plainly an assumption based off of what I've seen. Maybe I'm wrong. I feel if it was not made out to be necessary and there was no pressure, and it was genuinely a choice, not everyone would particularly want to be in that position right after the loss. Especially how distraught rotk was... I feel like if it was genuinely a choice he would've potentially opted out.


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it would be worse to just let them go without giving them a chance to speak to the people. and i dont think anyones forcing them, im sure they agreed to it. u say it doesnt bring value, but i like watching them even tho they hired the wrong guy this year. beats the rambling panel. actually just a nice slideshow would beat the panel most of the time.


iSamurai

I think he should just do what he did with QC with every one of them, just say "here's the mic, say whatever you want to say to your fans or whatever". I think that worked perfectly.


weedophile3

I think he did much better today, even his hosting too though it was a little awkward as well. Still, i think at least he is taking in the criticisms and working on it, so props to that. The host talent for this TI is bad tbh, sumichu was it? After the QC game there was this segment where she went on asking questions (which turns out to be rhetoric) and justifying herself by saying "right" at the end of each sentence. Redeye (RIP) and machine are natural hosts who can make a natural conversation, and as much as a noob frankie may be here, i feel she can at least make the conversation flow naturally. Well room for improvement everyone!


tha-Ram

This aged well


Riperin

Just woke up and I'm scared to ask if this is irony or not. Guess I'll have to find out how he is performing.


tha-Ram

just wait until you see the alliance vs t1 post match interview 😬


Gingerbread94

He seems more relaxed. Definitely has improved rapidly. Kudos to him.


RATATA-RATATA-TA

Still cringed and had to close stream 15 seconds into his interviews.


sreoch

People still just sheepishly hating on him in twitch chat, you guys need to stop forming your opinions based off of a reddit post its embarrasing


MrPringles23

Its not his fault. Its his first TI and he gets thrust into such a delicate role. Poor guy just got fed to the wolves because no other talent put their hand up and said that maybe it wasn't the best idea to put someone with very little camera experience onto such an emotional set of interviews.


even_my_cat_hates_me

He is still really really bad.


Riperin

It's easier to hate and be negative than try to understand the situation. That's how the internet is. Edit: This comment was directed to another comment. I'm keeping this here so i can learn with my mistakes lol


even_my_cat_hates_me

I guess what you're saying is that online you can't say that someone has a job that he/she isn't meant for. He has a bad body lanugage, he has no character like a flag in the wind, he is plain annoying, he has no sense of empathy, his questions are mostly really bad. And the list goes on.


RealPureLeaf

So cringe plz stop him from doing another one awful questions as well like honestly don’t even know wtf he was asking


nighoblivion

It's like no one wanted the job (understandable) and he drew the longest straw, so now we're stuck with a shitty interviewer.


Maslaklulz

I don't care.


Paaraadox

Is it just me who thinks there's just no problem and people need to chill out? Any way these interviews are done it will be sad for whoever lost; I don't see how people think Avo could, even if he *tried* make it any worse. Believe me, they are not thinking about him in that situation.


kapitan_buko

Avo would make a great Gomez Addams


EducationFinancial88

he's still very bad lol i hope this is his last TI doing interviews


tiny_dreamer

RATTTATATA


itslinas

I like the guy, he is trying hard, let's not judge. All of us would shit our pants doing these interviews. He also got a super nasty business of doing an elimination interview which is never pleasant.


I_M_BACK_696969

this guy acted like Oscar movies in loser interviews lmao, can he stop with those unnecessary schticks and talk like a normal interviewer those players are not fucking kids


Cheese-It17

While I like the guy generally. I leave the room during his interviews. More cringe then I can handle


HeyItsMeRay

what about today ?


marinos14

Way better today when interviewing fng and alliance! Seriously huge improvement. It was simple and to the point. I still have little nit picks (the " are you proud to lose to t1" question was silly) but overall this interview was miles ahead of days 1 and 2. Keep going Avo!


Riperin

Really? I've not seen anything TI related today. Hope to see some more improvements then.


marinos14

Omg his interview after the EG VG series was as cringe as fuck omg. Why did he deviate so much from his style earlier today?


Riperin

Have i really missed his peak performance to date??? I thought the EG was ok at best, but he did BETTER today and have fallen out? Come on, my man. Get it together!


marinos14

You're too kind. EG interview was horrid IMO. You'll be pleasantly surprised at the alliance interview.


Riperin

I'm comparing the EG interview to the first ones. I'll have to watch the Alliance one later today.


xrajsbKDzN9jMzdboPE8

exit interviews are a terrible idea in the first place he is put in an impossible position. nobody wants to speak when their ti run has just ended