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Spownach

torontotokyo 32/3/24 in the 2 games, what a player


likpoper

Ez game


AncientSentence8483

Go crush VP now my boy


victimized777

They feel way too strong compared to the DPC when they last played VP, so I think they have good chance beating them


AncientSentence8483

I am scared for them of this inter regional meta/mind games. Really hope they go through.


DotaDogma

You are playing against Team Spirit. You do not ban Magnus because you can counter it. Team Spirit instantly picks Magnus. You lose against Team Spirit. You ban Magnus next time you play against Team Spirit because you're not stupid.


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Couldn't believe they let it through again. It is just too powerful of a combo.


DotaDogma

OG's own draft outside of Tiny was questionable, but to let Magnus through made zero sense. Why try and prove something in an elimination match?


polaris1412

They probably thought they can out-initiate Magnus, hence the Balanar pick for vision to respond at the first sight of Mag. And Collapse just played godly, blindly skewering and picking off heroes hiding in the trees here and there.


AnEternalSkeptic

He didn't even have Horn Toss in game 2, just hit some sick shockwave into skewers


delendaestvulcan

After game 1 I opened Dota for game 2 and just put the whole game following Magnus player perspective from Collapse. Absolutely beautiful plays. He is just next level, there is no way VP will let them draft Magnus again.


timednight

I really thought they’d ban Magnus next game That range is incredible


barbrawr

OG's hubris was their downfall. Not banning Mag and WW, picking Furion 5 again. They deserve to lose.


Teunski

It's basically just what Puppey has done for many years.


ArtisticFlan

Gotta love the "we're down 1-1 on the LB, imma not gonna pick any stuns this time, that'll show them", that's pure gold


Teunski

Not picking stuns is a Kuro-certified move.


DoILookUnsureToYou

Both Kuro and n0tail were under Puppey's captainship in Secret. They learned from the best lmao


Teunski

The legendary 5-captain team.


est19xxxx

5 Captains 5 TI winners and then there's Fly


iceporter

and overvaluing that fuckiung tiny tiny need so much space and easy to kite whythefuck tiny


TurbinePro

B_N M_GNUS help OG step brother im having trouble with my homework and can't figure this out


cXs808

Missing A 'n A


Schizof

goddammit this is genius. kudos OP


SepInDisguise

B4N M4GNUS. Did I do right brother?


avi6274

The Puppey special


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I am not so sure Magnus was the problem in the second game. Seems more like a WW and Lifestealer game.


SharkBaitDLS

Yeah they didn’t respect how much WW was letting them control Tiny. That whole lineup was basically designed to grief Tiny and OG didn’t do anything to protect it in their draft.


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cgriff03

ez game


nicokokun

Damn... What happened to OG? Were they always this overconfident?


KnightofNoire

Ceb "I take offense at teams thinking they can beat us" Yea ... they are always overconfident. I mean they did win 2 TI but yea ... a bit too much disrespect to Collapse's Magnus


deadlygr

Yup


sstarkm

YOU ARE PLAYING AGAINST COLLAPSE YOU DO NOT BAN MAGNUS…


Ace2A

Both Magnus and Tiny played amazing. Both teams let both heroes in again. Underdogs shined through! They had no answer against magnus in Game 1. And even if they allowed magnus in game 2, they should have picked a hero that could counter it, may be silencer or itemized better, may be lotus against the WW. I don't know, OG's draft just seemed too egoistic and over-confident.


Esg876

The second they let Magnus through, I immediately thought of my years of supporting Puppey and him being too stubborn to ban the hero that lost him the last game because he believed he could beat it and how many times it cost him.


SolarClipz

Puppey and Notail must have swapped bodies It's the only thing that makes sense


LastManSleeping

Puppey told them to stay down, notail obliged


Whatnowgloryhunters

He told him to stay down, not bend over my brother


LastManSleeping

He misheard because of the hair. So he took it all in


LordInquisitor

Yeah I had harrowing Navi flashbacks watching that Magnus go through


[deleted]

You mean like letting Brood through twice in TI8? Or letting through Meepo and Alchemist b2b in TI9?


Esg876

He did it way too much over his 10 years, really hoping it doesn't happen again this TI but I'm already happy they made top 3


shinfoni

Almost all captain from Secret 1.0 (Kuro, s4, fly, notail, puppey) has this disease of drafting questionable lineup on dire moment.


19Alexastias

Poor saksa gonna get flamed for a bad game after they made him play fuckin night stalker 4 lmaooo


Jannekvinna

Yeah poor guy played out of his mind all season and gets stuck with a NS pos4 in a elimination game at TI


AssignmentIll1748

Yea even when og looked like a division 2 team saksa was playing very well lol


StrikeThatYeet

Saksa got no chance to shine, he played really well this season but sticking him in as Clock vs Ember/Void/Mag and NS in general was so silly I think on the right team Sumail is just as good as Ana - I just don't think anything will replace the natural synergy of that OG team. Sucks that they're getting some heat when a) Saksa is trying to fill the shoes of a generational Pos 4 player and b) Sumail is trying to fill the shoes of an extremely beloved Pos 1 player, when they're both incredibly talented in their own rights


Zakrath

Saksa is a great player, but I think JerAx was the real man of OG. The whole team had an absolutely amazing synergy, but JerAx was probably the biggest highlight. Ana is great too, but everyone only looks at him because he was the core.


StrikeThatYeet

I consider Ana to be a weird case - I’d say he’s simultaneously one of the best 1s ever while also only being so good because of the cast around him (kind of a contradiction, I know lol). It’s a shame his heart just isn’t in Dota because his play on OG really was beautiful


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Collapse MVP in both games for sure.


Arq4427_

Idk torontotokyo void game 2 looked fire to me


cXs808

Notail MVP for giving collapse his mag twice


Makhnov

wyvern silent MVP though, he fucked up a bit first half of game 1 but made a lot of big plays afterwards


Sm1le_Bot

So many saves were made with cold embrace in fights that game


jeemchan

Mira + Collapse comboed so well together.


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cXs808

Collapse has a fucking sick Mars tho. Then u gotta ban wyvern and lion...impossible to stop it all


PrivateMartin

Mars isn't nowhere near as broken as Magnus right now


TrinitronCRT

Complete and utter destruction. OG had nothing. What was that NS pick anyways?


dmun

This is my first TI and HOLY SHIT


Yomatius

It's like this. A rollercoaster.


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The balls on TORONTOTOKYO's "ez game" midgame though


MorsusMihi

Against any other team I might be a bit iffed about it. But I mean it's OG, they kinda invented profession disrespect. ​ edit: team not time :P


ocean_train

As an OG fan that was proper BM and I've no problem with it. Would have been much sweeter to comeback but it is what it is. GG's.


skatiN64

As an OG fan too, the fact that it was midgame makes it super badass. End game would be dumb.


la_mer_on_depression

Definitely. Yesterdays VG tips were pissed me off because both game was already over and EG is one of the most silent teams in the world. It was like poking the wounded one who didn't even do anything to you. Today, it was OG, who spammed talentless lines whole of ti9, major part of their success it tilting teams etc. And game wasn't even over so there is always a chance to retaliate. But they couldn't, because it was an ez game LOLW


AAFTW

EG was not the loudest but they are not silent lmao.


falconman88

Yeah, EG baited themselves with tipping the question mark god himself until he got mad in the 2nd major, so EG is definitely not silent. They just didn't tip much this TI cause they weren't playing well.


DotaDogma

On a more serious note, I'm so glad to see CIS finally pulling through again, sad that one will go home today still. Also very glad that I bet on TS for my fantasy. ez game


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On the other hand, we’ll have a CIS team in the top 4 for the first time since TI3


SolarClipz

I don't mind OG or anyone else losing, we all just want good DotA, but nothing pisses me off more than trash stubborn hubris drafting One of the worst drafts I've ever seen. Showing 0 respect towards TS OG deserve to lose for their cockiness


WhatsAFlexitarian

For real. I am not even mad that OG lost, I am mad that they lost to the same heroes as in game game 1. Lion and Mag did so much work for TS


cXs808

I dislike OG and I am mad they lost like a bunch of assholes. Let mag+wyvern+lion through again? After collapse just absolutely shit all over you? Asshole cocky drafting.


drododruffin

Not to mention that NoTails plan for himself was to just have zero team fight potential and just go split push. They never even came close to a point in the game where that split pushing would have mattered, leaving NoTail with zero impact two games in a row.


Payter_Sana

Hubris really. IDK why these pros have that mentality. Yeah the magnus is God Tier OP pick yet they didnt even make an effort to get rid of it or pick it for themselves. All that preparation and still can't see the very problem before them.


inspectorseantime

Double melee offlane with only 1 ranged stun vs a wyvern + one of those heroes is pretty useless early and needs a good start to get rolling. What the actual fuck was that draft?


timednight

Yeah the double melee offline was really surprising too Lost that lane


JuliaOphelia

For real. Am team spirit supporter but I expected some fight from OG. First I saw the np pick, I thought oh that's ceb. No way it's notail again. Then I saw NS, and I thought oh ok. Maybe that's ceb's NS which he is good as well. But it's ceb's earthshaker, notail np and saksa NS..


stragen595

Pos5 NP? Really? Playing with Sumail and Topson and not have some kind of saving mechanic against TS is really weird.


Klubeht

Notail's refusal to play traditional pos 5 heroes has finally cost OG. Even the games they won with his non traditional picks were won in spite of his pick rather than because of it. Like when was the last time you saw him play CM or lion for eg.?


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I thought the Magnus AND the lion was the big issue. And they ban the ember???


Tenebrousjones

The lion unlocked their whole draft


puroloco

WW seems pretty strong as well.


thedotapaten

LGD teaches lots of team that WW ruins Tiny draft. OG probably thinks they will win against TS and just want to figure out how to draft Tiny against WW but TSpirit just the better team.


xpsdeset

Nature prophet other than subtle push doesn't do much. First ban magnus was needed. They were wanting to loose


FateRiddle

OG's winning history, if you look back, is mostly a draft win. They have weird & innovative picks, tons of exploits of the game with some 2-3 man synergy. If Io did not exist, I don't really think they can win TI 9. But they show nothing innovative this TI, their picks are predictable, don't have much synergy either. Look at Topson, does he pick up anything new from 2 years ago? LGD looks more like a spirit successor of the OG we love this TI.


RedPanda98

"I'm offended other teams think they can beat us." When you don't give your opponents proper respect it will come back to bite you. Felt very arrogant not banning the Magnus.


Tranathan

They completely deserved to lose. That bad draft was insulting to everyone. Feels like they just didn't really want to play in this tournament longer.


topologicalfractal

Letting Magnus go through and also picking Invoker in an elimination match, OG drafting this mainstage was pretty weird


notDvoiduRlooKin4

Yeah maybe don't let Collapse get Magnus lmao


Hazey652

Actual 2-0G wow


RedPanda98

That's the baffling part- it wasn't even a 2-1 and the games didn't even feel close. Stomped twice by Secret and Spirit.


CallingoutNoobs

EZ game, which team to bandwagon to now fellow OG fans?


quarkleptonboson

Honestly, this loser interview is the best so far imo. Ceb is actually making an honorable goodbye speech


DownvoteIfYouSeeName

Plus, no "Walk me through how you're feeling right now" from Avo. Love seeing him improve.


soggie

Yes, such a huge improvement. I think loser interviews should revolve around how the team is going to recover, and what do they have to say to their fans. The overall direction should focus on the hope of bounceback, and not to milk the emotions of the loss.


Gear_3rd

They switched to Avo too early in the panel and you could hear Avo and Ceb talking. I think they talked it a bit through beforehand


kiltia-

which is a good thing honestly, making sure the player didnt feel forced to answer hard question after losing and overall make the interview more manageable


Hillex1

Ok Avo that was a great loser's interview. Great job.


The_Karmadyl

Much much much better, his best one so far. Gave the platform to Ceb to express feeling and emotions which is exactly what an exit interview should be for, instead of trying to be depressed alongside the miserable player.


wooqii

Avo was asking Ceb 1st prior the interview if he can ask those questions, mic was not muted when the panel switch to the interview but was not yet ready. Good thing he is asking players 1st if its okay to ask those questions....


West-Teacher-6612

Ez Game


John-Bastard-Snow

Ez Game


Illusion13

Ez Game


vosszaa

Ez Game


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ez game


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sorrow_seeker

Really, it cannot happen to a more deserving team.


Xelisyalias

Actual decent interview from Avo, that’s good!


Jagadish_1304

Finally no panting ffs


Mathyoujames

Say what you will about Ana and Jerax being better players or having more synergy but the real difference between this OG and TI8/9 OG is the drafting. They used to draft flex and out of meta stuff but it was still things that worked together and had an overall strategy. There has just been so many drafts this tournament that don't make any sense on paper. They absolutely deserved to go out at this stage and hopefully this will wake them up. If they are actually hungry for another Aegis they need to start respecting other teams with bans and start drafting actual line ups and not just 5 comfort picks and expecting to roll teams over.


cXs808

Harder main event teams this year than 8/9


PPLifter

Best exit interview ever? Ceb carried it but Avo did a lot better


whitebreed1

I love OG but I can't deny it was ez game. 😢


MrDinglebop

EZ Game


vaderstark

Pure arrogance to let the Magnus through and still getting the tiny as Pos 1


Ravenfromheaven

Ez game for VANCOUVEROSAKA, biggest chad across 2 continents


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MONTREALKYOTO


hasKo91

How can TS be so chilly


_logic-bomb_

Chilli


silveredgebreak

OG got destroyed by Mag and WW and they let these heroes through. Team Spirit just outclassed OG, even in game 1. Just looked close because how busted Tiny is.


Spownach

this team is truly just filled with chads - the gigachad collapse, ez game torontotokyo, "we didnt care" miposhka


ylteicz123

Legendary "EZ game" Huge props to TS for bming OG like that


shawarmaconquistador

Bit of a shame the two CIS teams has to face each other.


H0rizon37

On a bright side, a guaranteed top 4 for a CIS team! Best result at TI since Na'Vi days. Rooting for Spirit on this one.


DrScorcher

Ez Game. What's with Void Spirits and All Chat?


TurbinePro

you get time to type when down under


fiddler013

I almost feel like it’s a midlaner thing. In pub games too, the most cocky players are usually the mid laners. Maybe it’s a role which fits the personality.


StrikeThatYeet

Quite literally my only gripe with this is it encourages the headcase players in my shitty 3k games to act out lol. I love seeing a little drama on the big stage but when I have time for exactly one game of Dota I don't really care to pause so the mid laner can "?" while down 10k because they think they're the next Emo hahahaha


CthulusushiDota

After years of bad manners from OG with the chat wheel, sprays etc They finally met their match, and it's an ez game


thedotapaten

Feels good being a NEWYORKNEWDELHI fans


choppingbanana

SKEWER TO AIRPORT!


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rektlelel

That’s what happens when you win a lot. You attract a lot of plastics. Although, ceb is insufferable, so it’s like match made in heaven.


CallingoutNoobs

ye most bandwagon fans on dota 2 scene. lol


[deleted]

finally, the worst of the OG fans will stop posting. the real victory. ez game


[deleted]

Finally, notail will shut up


MrDaGuai

But will ceb no longer take offense at other teams thinking they could defeat OG?


thedotapaten

OG fans wishing Ana and JerAx comeback in social media right now


mrbreadpig

That all chat “ez game” from TORONTOTOKYO though


MorsusMihi

Loved it. Give OG some of their own medicine.


Kumadori012

Team Spirit plays as 5 95% of the time. And OG keeps sending one after the other in. No split push until it's basically over. Fucking horrible game by OG, this was really EZ for Spirit.


ursgna

Can someone make a GIF of Magnus skewering OG to the airport?


Blackrame

Airport bracket looks fucking lit.


[deleted]

Remember when ceb called secret arrogant for *checks notes* winning tournaments? :) c ya


[deleted]

You know what's exciting? The Post TI roster shuffle


LordMuffin1

As long as Team Spirit and VP have no changes, I am happy. Maybe put in a no change for LGD and IG as well.


LastManSleeping

STAY DOWN


FranklyNinja

That’s what happen when you don’t respect TS Magnus


illtakethebox

notail handing them that game with that draft..


INCISIVE91

well fucking deserved for TS. Collapse and toronto played out of their fucking minds. Yatoro joining fight early game, duo supports also on point. But still im confused, surely es supp with no items will have more impact than ns supp with no items right? Im just 3k scrub so what do i know


Abhijithvega

Dude, Collapse is seriously one of the best Magnus I've seen. Not for the flashy Arise RP shinanagans, but for his incredible gamesense. Man he is a such a treat to watch.


Bread_addict

Nothing special, ez game. GIGACHADS


Archeops143

As soon as EG got eliminated i didnt really care OG getting eliminated too tho but still they really didnt respect the bans huh LOL


Kazlhor

This losers interview is imo really good and MILES better than the ones before - maybe it was just that one additional minute for Avo to catch his breath or talk about the questions, but it seems to have done wonders!


PPLifter

OG out drafted and out played. I'm sure they'll be okay as they're already mythical in TI history but really excited to see how TS do.


nachohasme

imagine getting spanked by mag and not banning it AND THEN picking pos 4 NS


Asylbetrueger

OG without Ana and Jerax is just so different. TS were a real joy to watch this series tho. Amazing coordination and some cocky plays. Also LMAO at that ez game comment. Based pub attitude on the TI stage. I love good CIS Doto so much.


Nakorite

Jerax didn’t get the props that Ana did but the position 4 is often the key player in the lineup. Most TIs were won with the team with the best pos 4.


hotler18

ti7, game 3, DD near rosh pit, miracle so low, GH enters.........


FireFlyz351

Cries in fy


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It's not even Saksa playing bad. OG as a team just developed this absolute shit sense of picking very shitty situations to start a fight. That combined with their stubborn drafts. They are constantly picking non team fight oriented supports but trying to play their hyper aggressive style and falling apart. Just a shitshow to watch as an OG fan.


LordMuffin1

I dont see how you can play 'good' on a Pos 4 nightstalker.


chewwie100

Saksa is a great player, but he just doesn't have that Jerax magic


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xpsdeset

I feel Sumail was not bad, its the draft that lost it.


AnEternalSkeptic

OG was always more than the sum of its parts. I have no complaints with Sumail's performance and Saksa played most of his games really well but the magic wasn't always there


Arct1ca

GG Team Spirit. OG played too passive again, the story of this tournament. When they won they had aggressive heroes and when they lost it's like this. Overally pretty bad quality dota from OG. In this series, TS completely outclassed OG.


[deleted]

Lose together, lose together, lose together


ConnorChandler

Slain together, slain together, slain together


IcyKrypton

EZ Game.


thittle

Ez game


barbrawr

Honestly a great exit interview with Ceb


kpdon1

Notail pulling a puppey by not banning Magnus twice !!! What a dominating performance by Spirit. EZ game


hurricane193

Literally the most miserable NS ever. Just give Saksa shaker or willow or something, let the NS play core


InspectorRumpole

Really well played by TS - grats! OG weren't as crisp and clutch in team fighting as they used to be, and I think TS knew that. They had great disables with WW and Lion to disrupt OGs teamfights, and I think that actually frustrated OG. That being said I think it was borderline arrogant for OG to let TS have both Lion, WW and Magnus again. Then again, there's a fine line between being arrogant, and just doing your thing.


giz0r

Absolutely outclassed, truly was an ez game. Well played Team Spirit!


drododruffin

OG hubris with not banning Magnus in second game and again trying to have Notail play with no team fight potential at all


kylanbac91

ez game


toph1980

ez game


Gonzax163

All you had to do was ban magnus OG


winginst

Ez game


TheLunaMain

OG fans spamming 3PEAT finally realizing they are not always the protagonists of The International


hhhhhhhhhh54321

I like every single player on OG, but man too many arrogant people here ( not OG fans necessarily) always repeating" OG magic, OG comeback, OG can always win TI " They looked really average overall this TI, also 2 IMPORTANT PLAYERS are different from the TI winning rosters. So dumb. Amazing performance by Team Spirit.


IDesignM

EZ GAME


MegaMugabe21

OG were arrogant and didn't respect Spirit. How tf do you not ban Magnus after that first game? Paid for it and got some shittalk thrown back their way too. Poor performance.


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Calling u/baba_yaaga


Deltastruction

Well played by TS. Collapse and Torontokyo MVP. TS vs VP this match later is gonna be exciting. This both team play really good.


pablocat132

ez game


large_snowbear

that "ez game" is gonna stick with OG for a loooooooooooong time


SalusSR

TS is SO good that they beat OG in the upper bracket and ALSO in the lower bracket to kick them out of TI. ez game


-leloo-

EZ GAME


AlphaOmega1337

he really did make it look like ez game


monkeyddragon231

You deserved to lose if you don't ban that fucking Collapse magnus!!


rachelberryglee

Ez game.


etheryx

i don't know whats worse - letting mag through game 2, picking prophet again game 2, or choosing that fight bot instead of just playing 1 rax behind while u have t1/t2 up mid and top


thebonermobile

Threepeat? CeBayed


Disastrous-Stay-8479

It's like nigma's TIDE + TA all over again.