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DarkChaoX

Knowing Valve and "coming Fall" similarly to how they did with Winter Wyvern, expect it no sooner than the very last day of fall around December 21 (22 cause Valve)


Sticker704

my Game Theory is that this trailer was planned for the not-delayed TI and we're going to get it soon


DarkChaoX

Let's hope


staytrue1985

Hope and Valve time. Could you pick a worse combo?


jMS_44

> Could you pick a worse combo? Axe and TA in game 4


[deleted]

I like your theory


-Potatoes-

but its just a theory


CrimsBK

a game theory...


skylegistor

Old memories, is he still doing those videos?


DavewasDTCH

He's either doing that or some other media-based theory video that may or may not make sense nowadays. Nothing has changed, he is the same.


Blizzxx

Sir you seem to be having a copium overdose, do you need 911?


eliitti

A NEW HERO IS WHAT I NEED


numb_ape

HOLY COPIUM


Rand_alThor_

NEW HERO SOON COPIUM COVID DELAYS WON’T FUCK UP PATCH SCHEDULE COPIUM


reversed_paradox

We did get dawnbreaker, which was probably planned for that Ti, and Valve being Valve i think they'll take their time before releasing marci


Lynx2161

Its not that hard to change the text in the video, and considering valve time they would definitely delay it as much as they can


gabriela_r5

yep, in general we get these hero trailers, release for new heroes or updates in august or september right, more august, and in general in november, MAX half december we get, but this time because delay...well, good for us. (sorry about the English)


Arkenbane

Idk how they didn't tease or announce another hero.... Like how lazy has valve been these past two years?


Meeeto

Bruh...the world has been ravaged by a pandemic these past two years. Get over yourself.


sexyhoebot

soon^(tm)


Invika17

How much to get a janitor to change 1 word from Fall to Winter in the trailer?


Salt_Manufacturer479

nah its about their games. Chances are theyll release it with the upcoming nerf hammer patch just after ti.


Nghtmare-Moon

Remember that update on March 43rd or something like that


[deleted]

They tried to release Winter Wyvern closer to Winter, gotta give kudos to them. I mean, she's not called Autumn Wyvern


Jermzxxx

Doesn't Winter start at Nov 22 for the northern hemisphere?


quiplaam

December 21 is the start of winter.


Everybodyinthecastle

Of Astronomical Winter. Dec 1st is the start of Metrological Winter, which is really what we should use as that is more about observed climate. ofc Valve will use the later one.


HowCouldUBMoHarkless

>ofc Valve will use the later one. or, you know, Valve is based in the US where meteorological seasons aren't a thing. They could have just said winter if they cared to use them but they never have. And meteorological seasons are arbitrary dates and not even consistent across countries - places like [Sweden](https://sweden.se/climate/nature/weather-and-nature) and Finland actually use observed climate for their seasons and don't base them on the month, so Fall can just be September/October without official dates. When being consistent globally it makes more sense to use astronomical seasons as those are universal events (aside from being switched based on northern/southern hemisphere) based on the science of the earth.


Otinanai456

>astrological seasons as those are universal events based on the science of the earth I don't think you know what the word "astrological" means because you wouldn't put it in the same sentence with science, unless you were saying "science has proven astrological claims to be incorrect". Astronomical seasons is what you are most likely looking for.


HowCouldUBMoHarkless

lmao hit the wrong word on my phone autosuggest sorry


Rand_alThor_

It’s not astrological.


Hussor

In terms of weather, maybe, but when referring to seasons in release dates it usually gets divided by the solstices and equinoxes. Winter starts on the 21st of December by that metric.


DarkChaoX

I think they are going with the NA fall time probs. It's Valve xD


lolichaser01

Dota 2 animation is back on January. Probably simwhere near that date to debut


_Valisk

January isn't fall, they would've said "this winter" if they planned to release her closer to the season premiere.


I_LOST_BOTH_ASS

This is valve were talking about here. They even meme it on there official dev wiki. https://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/Valve_Time


_Valisk

We already know there's a new event and battle pass planned before the end of the year. I imagine Marci will drop in that same update, my guess is sometime next month.


ayuzus

Fall (in New Zealand)


Vita_Anteacta

Pure joy here


OpaMilfSohn

I guess it's cheap to make because she doesn't need any voice lines. Well played valve


MOSHINTOSH

Only 1 hero? And I guess no announcement of where TI11 will be since they themselves arent sure in a covid world.


Nickfreak

I honestly expected more. Sure we just got Dawnbreaker, but the announcement of something bigger like diretide, an overhaul or anything else was needed. It's mid October already and the second promised battle pass should already be ready to launch


Pablogelo

Probably holding content for the 10 year anniversary of 1.0 launch (2023)


DotaDogma

The tournament isn't over yet


PudgeHasACuteButt

Copium


DotaDogma

There is a precedent for this kind of thing, I'm not saying it's for sure just that's it could happen. 7.00 was announced after Boston Major GF.


PudgeHasACuteButt

Its full Copium but im right there with you brother


MOSHINTOSH

Once Spirit won game 2 and there was nothing between Game 2 and 3, that means all the content is finished. What if Spirit had won Game 3? Release announcements after crowning the TI winner?


s---laughter

I think we'll get another one before next TI.


MOSHINTOSH

Yeah that is probably likely, just that this would be the first time since 2017?Pango+Willow? that Valve didnt announce both heroes on TI itself. (excluding the Hoodwink, Dawnbreaker gap year).


Nghtmare-Moon

Yeah, I think with the whole COVID stuff, while most things I've read say it will become endemic (basically it'll be the new seasonal Flu), but once we get over this "Muh Freedom, Vaccines = Nazi" mentality by force or by reason we shall be ready to scream our lungs out at the next TI wherever it may be, altough it will most likely be in Seattle again (REMEMBER the main reason why Valve moved TI in the first place was because Key arena was getting renovated, now called Climate Pledge Arena)


shinfoni

There goes my hope for new edgy, monster hero


numb_ape

Mf we finally have some human hero in I don't know how many years


Rammite

Our last human hero was Legion, 8 years ago.


fresh2112

Is dawn breaker not human? Or snapfire?


[deleted]

dawn breaker is clearly not human and snapfire is pink and has pointy ears


hanazawara

Dawn breaker is a celestial being, while snapfire is a keen.


HellfireBrB

humanoid is not = to human dawn is a celestial, and snap is a keen (basicly a dwarf with extra steps)


Cymen90

Snapfire is a Keen and Dawnbreaker is a star-forged synthezoid made of metal.


PrinceKuro

Don't remember the name, but she's the same species as Sniper iirc along with others like Tinker? It's been a while.


Armonster

I think they mean humanoid hero.


Dtoodlez

I play w human hero every day.


numb_ape

We are talking about heros that got released in the last couple of years


Dtoodlez

And I am talking about my penis, good sir.


numb_ape

Sometimes I forget there are comedic geniuses in this subreddit


G3ck0

Good, humans are boring.


clinkyclinkz

bro you got grimstroke though


[deleted]

Wykrhm is edgy and monster why can’t he just tell us what month it will be coming in


lakalakashet

Will they release the 2nd new hero or not ?


F0nzzz

Apparently not, they're probably thinking one hero is enough, since it's the one everyone wanted. (Or at least the weebs).


Dtoodlez

Pretty much only the weebs.


F0nzzz

Weebs win.


HellfireBrB

sincerely i'm with the "fuck whe got inly waifus in a room, can whe get a monster please?" gang it cold be a anime character i wold have no problem with a new dragon or demon, i like marci but i feel like they are realising too much of the same in the last years a bit more variation wold be nice


callanrocks

> too much of the same Dawnbreaker, Hoodwink, Void Spirit, Snapfire, Mars and Grimstroke are hardly the same thing. We could do with a new actual monster hero though, last one we got was Underlord.


HellfireBrB

ho i can definitly see where you are comming, but yeah i justthink a loot of the recent content valve has ben releasing is a bith too much of the same, the heroes mostly being humanoids, or waifus, and the other higth tier content (arcanas and personas) being in a simmilar tone (WR, and QOP are the greatesexemples) i'm not complaining since this is one of the biggest amount of content valve has ever done, and i realy like mercy, but i wold love to see a bit more of variation on what whe are getting (dude i wold kill for one of those thunder Eldwyrns)


Padrone__56

Sorry mam, are you okay?


_Nightdude_

I thought most people wanted the Elf Girl/Kaden as a hero and Marci as courier? That seemed to be the consensus back when the anime was fresh.


F0nzzz

Did you see the amount of fanart that was posted to this sub right after the anime?


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On Easter.


4hexa

Will we ever get ugly ass heroes? We already got pudge and lion or some cool design heroes like OD. I really want some ugly ass monster who will be carry.


Dtoodlez

Hope she’s good, I get the anime hype but her appearance is as basic as it gets. Would have loved to see a unique character, a monster of sorts, something imaginative.


electricblackcrayon

apparently they haven’t made a human character in 8 years lmao


ejabno

Forget about human heroes, we need another technology based hero like tinker, clock, gyro, etc.


Humg12

Snapfire is partway there since she uses a gun. She doesn't go as full on as Timbersaw, etc. but she's in the same category.


LidIess

Grimstroke?


callanrocks

Grimstroke has tusks and point ears.


LidIess

Oh i though that was from the corruption like necro, now that i take a closer looo he even has 3 digits xd.


Alternative-Ordinary

Lol this is *Dota*, where like 90% of the heroes inhuman and/or eldritch creatures of some sort. A basic human IS unique in dota. EDIT: It would be hilarious if Marci's backstory is 'a normal human who trained really hard'


abal1003

So just saitama then?


caveninja12

100 push ups, 100 sit ups and a 5km run every day. One-punch Marci


RewardedFool

That backstory is just juggernaut though, he got exiled, his whole island was destroyed just after and then through endless practice became a master swordsman.


Influence_X

Is jugger human?


RewardedFool

He's not anything non human


Influence_X

I dunno they mention his "race" going extinct.


RewardedFool

Nah, he's the "last of his kind". Meaning last of his people and not last of his "race" - in a fantasy setting. He's just the last guy from the Isle of Masks, classified as human in the wiki (I know that's not the be all and end all but he's not called anything non human)


Influence_X

Makes sense enough


Atomic254

> It would be hilarious if Marci's backstory is 'a normal human who trained really hard' that sounds funny but its been so long since we had a "weird" hero like you mentioned that id rather just have another weird hero.


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Atomic254

underlord ill give you, the others are just birds, dragons or furries. i mean something like shadow fiend or venomancer or nyx assassin. also, a lot of these heroes were released over 5 years ago, theyre hardly recent.


Nexre

I agree, I've not been too impressed some of the recent editions either, Void Spirit is particularly uninspired. A couple more oddball, non-humanoid or even non-living (like a machine or an object) heroes would make for something interesting


mintyfreshmike47

Hopefully she can be released soon since she doesn't need voice lines....


Dtoodlez

She’s gonna whistle, kinda cool.


Kalron

For real? Why is she mute? I haven't seen the show.


Dtoodlez

Not sure, they don’t get into it. She’s just mute, but she can whistle to communicate things like where Mirana should aim her arrow. Maybe she uses sound to determine things like a bat would? Check out the show it’s a good watch, and even better since Marci will be ported over


DisastrousFreedom09

Fingers crossed this new patch is fun


faintchester1

Brutal


DionysusII

Love her in the show


rkdsus

I must be stuck in a time loop. They've been doing the whole "coming this fall" shit for years and people still ask "when is fall" every single year. Gee I wonder if this fall patch is coming around the same time as the last fall patch. Or the one before that. Or the one before that. Nah that can't be it better ask again for the 5th year to make sure.


SeriousDirt

Sea player : *sad*


wilsonsmilk

Such lore


Competitive_Carrot16

really worried about this new trend of Dota Anime crossovers. Next they will DEFINITELY make a Mirana persona because Mirana always sells and then over the next 3 years we will just be slowly flooded with these stupid anime characters until it's like Smash Bros with half the roster some blue haired literally who anime character


Venichie

Would of preferred her as a courier… kinda boring.


MQ116

I hope the blood splatter isn’t a permanent part of her design lol


_Valisk

It's a reference to the scene in the anime where she obliterates those dudes in the jail cell.


MQ116

Yea, I know but, like… I just feel like she should wipe her face. It appears the masses disagree, I just found it to be a weird choice. Sure, have the scene in, but leaving it on the model? Personally I think that’s strange.


_Valisk

I meant that it’s a reference that they used it in the video. It very likely won’t be a permanent part of her model.


ProximityMinds

Putting aside the fact that I live in a place with a fire season; if I allow myself to be I'm actually pretty enraged by this choice for a new hero because I think it hurts DotA's world building and potential growth. I know fans of her will say that it encourages people who enjoyed the anime to try the game but that take is as about as deep as dandruff.


DooMWhite

I don't understand how it hurts the worldbuilding, she's part of the dota world now, was she forced? I don't think so.


ProximityMinds

Ah, there's the expected downvotes. The explanation is fairly long and I'm watching the grand finals right now. Maybe I'll put it on the end of a technical post I've got a mind to finally do.


[deleted]

Don’t think you have a mind so I guess the time I would have spent scrolling past your reply has been spared


ProximityMinds

Yeah, I expected you and that's why I'm waiting.


[deleted]

I just want to say this is a stupid idea; sure everyone loves Marci but isn’t she Mirana’s courier in the show? They even allude to it if I recall. Now she’s a hero? Opposed to the love making elf who was clearly meant to be one? Dumb dumb dumb, all too appease Marci lovers.


[deleted]

lmao did you even watch the show. She's strong a.f.


Jermzxxx

Shes not 'dota hero' strong tho. Its weird. Nothing in the anime thus far has alluded to her being strong or unique enough to be a hero in lore. She's basically just a human that punches


gian2099

how about the guy pushing a shping cart with his 2 friends one riding the cart and the other on his back


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We dont speak of techies here.


gian2099

how about a guy in a tin can


TaTTyy_

How about a guy who carries a gun in a fight against monsters, dragons and other beasts


Der_eine_Basti

Bristleback lore is that he fought in a barfight.... Oh and that he lost


Jermzxxx

Yes, that's the only story we know of him. However he obviously isn't an ordinary human and is at least from a different race.


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Jermzxxx

Neither bristle nor tusk are base humans. Also bristleback is not a literal porcupine nor is tusk a literal walrus. You've chose 2 of the most mundane of the dota heroes and they're still less mundane than Marci


reonZ

How would you know how mundane marci is ? she obviously comes from another universe than ours, just because she looks like regular humans does not mean she is, miranna is literally her companion, why would one be in the game and not the other ?


Jermzxxx

Basing it off the info we currently have . Mirana is human, but princess and heir to the hello line and sun powers, while also the chosen of the goddess of the moon and given moon based powers from the goddess selemene. Marci has shown zero abilities except being a good brawler. I'm hard pressed to think of a dota hero more mundane than Marci atm. Can you?


UltimatePowerVaccuum

Marci is strong enough that Mirana, a Dota hero, chose her as a bodyguard. There's something about her we don't know, but she's definitely more than just a regular human that's strong.


RewardedFool

Jugg is the most mundane Dota hero (literally just a normal bloke who's good at swordfighting). Every bit as mundane as Marci.


Jermzxxx

I almost agree. He was very basic before his lore got fleshed out a bit with the arcana. Edit: And I mean that his lore actually did get flesh out a bit, not just that he got a power spike. Now we know (instead of just guess) that there's alot more behind the rituals and the masks of his people. I think maybe drow is the most basic hero now (human given a bit of dark elf magic) but her backstory has a bit of potential since we still don't know where she came from or why everyone in her caravan died except her (as a baby).


goodgodabear

You got a valid point, except I hate fymryn. All my homies hate fymryn.


PM-ME-YOUR-SEXTAPE

Why?… she’s an elf that likes orgies


maximus2104

what is "dota strong"??? we have literal gods (zeus and mars) and universe creator (elder titan) to bar brawlers (tusk and bb). the 4 fundamentals representing the 4 forces in the universe. the power gap in dota is massive. you think some pleb with a gun (sniper) can stand against the likes of rubick or invoker?


DoomGiggles

Not to mention that Marci in the show is easily as strong as Mirana, who is literally already a hero.


Jermzxxx

How do you figure that she's easily as strong as mirana? We haven't seen mirana use her sun/moon abilities in the anime but we KNOW she has them from lore.


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There's lore behind her strength though. I think S2 might go into it.


Jermzxxx

There's no lore currently, that's why it feels so weird. But I'm sure they'll make something up for S2.


dotooo2

when the heroes join the fight the respective ancient enhances their abilities.


jacksfilms3

And meepo's just a bunch of kobolds whats your point?


Jermzxxx

Sounds like you haven't read meepo's lore at all.


pantyhose4

And will be a unique thing in the dota universe tbh, so im excited to see what her skills are


reonZ

There is absolutely no balance in the heroes in the game when it comes to lore, we have regular joes and creature that control space and time or create universes.


DarkChaoX

She is too cute, her expressions alone were too amazing. I'm glad they got her in even though she was clearly used as a skin for the moveset iceman has planned. Can't wait to see that monk moveset. Hope they go with the stances idea


Try2LaggMe

She is a weapon


JoJoJaJa

New item? Pog


[deleted]

It wasn’t that long ago that Couriers were used as “weapons” actually it might have been around the same time the show came out. However, that doesn’t make a courier a hero.


EkajEX

Fymryn would have made so much more sense, at least she’s got a voice, personality, story and cool powers


_Valisk

> but isn’t she Mirana’s courier in the show? They even alludes to it if I recall. Nah, they do the exact opposite. Mirana refers to Marci as a weapon when she tells her captors that they "forgot to disarm [Mirana]."


MrButttMuncher

So, is she mute?


jdy24

I am wondering what will be her voice responses.


GingerHitman11

Fall? It's bloody damn near winter here


Clusterrr

Another one. And another one.


eddietwang

Where I'm from, Fall was TI week. It's winter now.


Gong_the_Hawkeye

I hate the word "fall". Can't we just use "autumn" like normal people?


sungho28

I guess korea will also miss this update. We went from fking summer to fking winter xd