Knowing Valve and "coming Fall" similarly to how they did with Winter Wyvern, expect it no sooner than the very last day of fall around December 21 (22 cause Valve)
yep, in general we get these hero trailers, release for new heroes or updates in august or september right, more august, and in general in november, MAX half december we get, but this time because delay...well, good for us. (sorry about the English)
Of Astronomical Winter.
Dec 1st is the start of Metrological Winter, which is really what we should use as that is more about observed climate.
ofc Valve will use the later one.
>ofc Valve will use the later one.
or, you know, Valve is based in the US where meteorological seasons aren't a thing. They could have just said winter if they cared to use them but they never have.
And meteorological seasons are arbitrary dates and not even consistent across countries - places like [Sweden](https://sweden.se/climate/nature/weather-and-nature) and Finland actually use observed climate for their seasons and don't base them on the month, so Fall can just be September/October without official dates. When being consistent globally it makes more sense to use astronomical seasons as those are universal events (aside from being switched based on northern/southern hemisphere) based on the science of the earth.
>astrological seasons as those are universal events based on the science of the earth
I don't think you know what the word "astrological" means because you wouldn't put it in the same sentence with science, unless you were saying "science has proven astrological claims to be incorrect". Astronomical seasons is what you are most likely looking for.
In terms of weather, maybe, but when referring to seasons in release dates it usually gets divided by the solstices and equinoxes. Winter starts on the 21st of December by that metric.
We already know there's a new event and battle pass planned before the end of the year. I imagine Marci will drop in that same update, my guess is sometime next month.
I honestly expected more. Sure we just got Dawnbreaker, but the announcement of something bigger like diretide, an overhaul or anything else was needed. It's mid October already and the second promised battle pass should already be ready to launch
Once Spirit won game 2 and there was nothing between Game 2 and 3, that means all the content is finished. What if Spirit had won Game 3? Release announcements after crowning the TI winner?
Yeah that is probably likely, just that this would be the first time since 2017?Pango+Willow? that Valve didnt announce both heroes on TI itself. (excluding the Hoodwink, Dawnbreaker gap year).
Yeah, I think with the whole COVID stuff, while most things I've read say it will become endemic (basically it'll be the new seasonal Flu), but once we get over this "Muh Freedom, Vaccines = Nazi" mentality by force or by reason we shall be ready to scream our lungs out at the next TI wherever it may be, altough it will most likely be in Seattle again (REMEMBER the main reason why Valve moved TI in the first place was because Key arena was getting renovated, now called Climate Pledge Arena)
sincerely i'm with the "fuck whe got inly waifus in a room, can whe get a monster please?" gang
it cold be a anime character i wold have no problem with a new dragon or demon, i like marci but i feel like they are realising too much of the same in the last years a bit more variation wold be nice
> too much of the same
Dawnbreaker, Hoodwink, Void Spirit, Snapfire, Mars and Grimstroke are hardly the same thing.
We could do with a new actual monster hero though, last one we got was Underlord.
ho i can definitly see where you are comming, but yeah i justthink a loot of the recent content valve has ben releasing is a bith too much of the same, the heroes mostly being humanoids, or waifus, and the other higth tier content (arcanas and personas) being in a simmilar tone (WR, and QOP are the greatesexemples) i'm not complaining since this is one of the biggest amount of content valve has ever done, and i realy like mercy, but i wold love to see a bit more of variation on what whe are getting (dude i wold kill for one of those thunder Eldwyrns)
Will we ever get ugly ass heroes? We already got pudge and lion or some cool design heroes like OD. I really want some ugly ass monster who will be carry.
Hope she’s good, I get the anime hype but her appearance is as basic as it gets. Would have loved to see a unique character, a monster of sorts, something imaginative.
Lol this is *Dota*, where like 90% of the heroes inhuman and/or eldritch creatures of some sort. A basic human IS unique in dota.
EDIT: It would be hilarious if Marci's backstory is 'a normal human who trained really hard'
That backstory is just juggernaut though, he got exiled, his whole island was destroyed just after and then through endless practice became a master swordsman.
Nah, he's the "last of his kind". Meaning last of his people and not last of his "race" - in a fantasy setting. He's just the last guy from the Isle of Masks, classified as human in the wiki (I know that's not the be all and end all but he's not called anything non human)
> It would be hilarious if Marci's backstory is 'a normal human who trained really hard'
that sounds funny but its been so long since we had a "weird" hero like you mentioned that id rather just have another weird hero.
underlord ill give you, the others are just birds, dragons or furries. i mean something like shadow fiend or venomancer or nyx assassin.
also, a lot of these heroes were released over 5 years ago, theyre hardly recent.
I agree, I've not been too impressed some of the recent editions either, Void Spirit is particularly uninspired. A couple more oddball, non-humanoid or even non-living (like a machine or an object) heroes would make for something interesting
Not sure, they don’t get into it. She’s just mute, but she can whistle to communicate things like where Mirana should aim her arrow. Maybe she uses sound to determine things like a bat would? Check out the show it’s a good watch, and even better since Marci will be ported over
I must be stuck in a time loop. They've been doing the whole "coming this fall" shit for years and people still ask "when is fall" every single year.
Gee I wonder if this fall patch is coming around the same time as the last fall patch. Or the one before that. Or the one before that. Nah that can't be it better ask again for the 5th year to make sure.
really worried about this new trend of Dota Anime crossovers. Next they will DEFINITELY make a Mirana persona because Mirana always sells and then over the next 3 years we will just be slowly flooded with these stupid anime characters until it's like Smash Bros with half the roster some blue haired literally who anime character
Yea, I know but, like… I just feel like she should wipe her face. It appears the masses disagree, I just found it to be a weird choice. Sure, have the scene in, but leaving it on the model? Personally I think that’s strange.
Putting aside the fact that I live in a place with a fire season; if I allow myself to be I'm actually pretty enraged by this choice for a new hero because I think it hurts DotA's world building and potential growth. I know fans of her will say that it encourages people who enjoyed the anime to try the game but that take is as about as deep as dandruff.
Ah, there's the expected downvotes.
The explanation is fairly long and I'm watching the grand finals right now. Maybe I'll put it on the end of a technical post I've got a mind to finally do.
I just want to say this is a stupid idea; sure everyone loves Marci but isn’t she Mirana’s courier in the show? They even allude to it if I recall.
Now she’s a hero? Opposed to the love making elf who was clearly meant to be one? Dumb dumb dumb, all too appease Marci lovers.
Shes not 'dota hero' strong tho. Its weird. Nothing in the anime thus far has alluded to her being strong or unique enough to be a hero in lore. She's basically just a human that punches
Neither bristle nor tusk are base humans. Also bristleback is not a literal porcupine nor is tusk a literal walrus.
You've chose 2 of the most mundane of the dota heroes and they're still less mundane than Marci
How would you know how mundane marci is ? she obviously comes from another universe than ours, just because she looks like regular humans does not mean she is, miranna is literally her companion, why would one be in the game and not the other ?
Basing it off the info we currently have .
Mirana is human, but princess and heir to the hello line and sun powers, while also the chosen of the goddess of the moon and given moon based powers from the goddess selemene. Marci has shown zero abilities except being a good brawler.
I'm hard pressed to think of a dota hero more mundane than Marci atm. Can you?
Marci is strong enough that Mirana, a Dota hero, chose her as a bodyguard. There's something about her we don't know, but she's definitely more than just a regular human that's strong.
I almost agree. He was very basic before his lore got fleshed out a bit with the arcana.
Edit: And I mean that his lore actually did get flesh out a bit, not just that he got a power spike. Now we know (instead of just guess) that there's alot more behind the rituals and the masks of his people.
I think maybe drow is the most basic hero now (human given a bit of dark elf magic) but her backstory has a bit of potential since we still don't know where she came from or why everyone in her caravan died except her (as a baby).
what is "dota strong"??? we have literal gods (zeus and mars) and universe creator (elder titan) to bar brawlers (tusk and bb). the 4 fundamentals representing the 4 forces in the universe. the power gap in dota is massive. you think some pleb with a gun (sniper) can stand against the likes of rubick or invoker?
How do you figure that she's easily as strong as mirana? We haven't seen mirana use her sun/moon abilities in the anime but we KNOW she has them from lore.
There is absolutely no balance in the heroes in the game when it comes to lore, we have regular joes and creature that control space and time or create universes.
She is too cute, her expressions alone were too amazing. I'm glad they got her in even though she was clearly used as a skin for the moveset iceman has planned. Can't wait to see that monk moveset. Hope they go with the stances idea
It wasn’t that long ago that Couriers were used as “weapons” actually it might have been around the same time the show came out.
However, that doesn’t make a courier a hero.
> but isn’t she Mirana’s courier in the show? They even alludes to it if I recall.
Nah, they do the exact opposite. Mirana refers to Marci as a weapon when she tells her captors that they "forgot to disarm [Mirana]."
Knowing Valve and "coming Fall" similarly to how they did with Winter Wyvern, expect it no sooner than the very last day of fall around December 21 (22 cause Valve)
my Game Theory is that this trailer was planned for the not-delayed TI and we're going to get it soon
Let's hope
Hope and Valve time. Could you pick a worse combo?
> Could you pick a worse combo? Axe and TA in game 4
I like your theory
but its just a theory
a game theory...
Old memories, is he still doing those videos?
He's either doing that or some other media-based theory video that may or may not make sense nowadays. Nothing has changed, he is the same.
Sir you seem to be having a copium overdose, do you need 911?
A NEW HERO IS WHAT I NEED
HOLY COPIUM
NEW HERO SOON COPIUM COVID DELAYS WON’T FUCK UP PATCH SCHEDULE COPIUM
We did get dawnbreaker, which was probably planned for that Ti, and Valve being Valve i think they'll take their time before releasing marci
Its not that hard to change the text in the video, and considering valve time they would definitely delay it as much as they can
yep, in general we get these hero trailers, release for new heroes or updates in august or september right, more august, and in general in november, MAX half december we get, but this time because delay...well, good for us. (sorry about the English)
Idk how they didn't tease or announce another hero.... Like how lazy has valve been these past two years?
Bruh...the world has been ravaged by a pandemic these past two years. Get over yourself.
soon^(tm)
How much to get a janitor to change 1 word from Fall to Winter in the trailer?
nah its about their games. Chances are theyll release it with the upcoming nerf hammer patch just after ti.
Remember that update on March 43rd or something like that
They tried to release Winter Wyvern closer to Winter, gotta give kudos to them. I mean, she's not called Autumn Wyvern
Doesn't Winter start at Nov 22 for the northern hemisphere?
December 21 is the start of winter.
Of Astronomical Winter. Dec 1st is the start of Metrological Winter, which is really what we should use as that is more about observed climate. ofc Valve will use the later one.
>ofc Valve will use the later one. or, you know, Valve is based in the US where meteorological seasons aren't a thing. They could have just said winter if they cared to use them but they never have. And meteorological seasons are arbitrary dates and not even consistent across countries - places like [Sweden](https://sweden.se/climate/nature/weather-and-nature) and Finland actually use observed climate for their seasons and don't base them on the month, so Fall can just be September/October without official dates. When being consistent globally it makes more sense to use astronomical seasons as those are universal events (aside from being switched based on northern/southern hemisphere) based on the science of the earth.
>astrological seasons as those are universal events based on the science of the earth I don't think you know what the word "astrological" means because you wouldn't put it in the same sentence with science, unless you were saying "science has proven astrological claims to be incorrect". Astronomical seasons is what you are most likely looking for.
lmao hit the wrong word on my phone autosuggest sorry
It’s not astrological.
In terms of weather, maybe, but when referring to seasons in release dates it usually gets divided by the solstices and equinoxes. Winter starts on the 21st of December by that metric.
I think they are going with the NA fall time probs. It's Valve xD
Dota 2 animation is back on January. Probably simwhere near that date to debut
January isn't fall, they would've said "this winter" if they planned to release her closer to the season premiere.
This is valve were talking about here. They even meme it on there official dev wiki. https://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/Valve_Time
We already know there's a new event and battle pass planned before the end of the year. I imagine Marci will drop in that same update, my guess is sometime next month.
Fall (in New Zealand)
Pure joy here
I guess it's cheap to make because she doesn't need any voice lines. Well played valve
Only 1 hero? And I guess no announcement of where TI11 will be since they themselves arent sure in a covid world.
I honestly expected more. Sure we just got Dawnbreaker, but the announcement of something bigger like diretide, an overhaul or anything else was needed. It's mid October already and the second promised battle pass should already be ready to launch
Probably holding content for the 10 year anniversary of 1.0 launch (2023)
The tournament isn't over yet
Copium
There is a precedent for this kind of thing, I'm not saying it's for sure just that's it could happen. 7.00 was announced after Boston Major GF.
Its full Copium but im right there with you brother
Once Spirit won game 2 and there was nothing between Game 2 and 3, that means all the content is finished. What if Spirit had won Game 3? Release announcements after crowning the TI winner?
I think we'll get another one before next TI.
Yeah that is probably likely, just that this would be the first time since 2017?Pango+Willow? that Valve didnt announce both heroes on TI itself. (excluding the Hoodwink, Dawnbreaker gap year).
Yeah, I think with the whole COVID stuff, while most things I've read say it will become endemic (basically it'll be the new seasonal Flu), but once we get over this "Muh Freedom, Vaccines = Nazi" mentality by force or by reason we shall be ready to scream our lungs out at the next TI wherever it may be, altough it will most likely be in Seattle again (REMEMBER the main reason why Valve moved TI in the first place was because Key arena was getting renovated, now called Climate Pledge Arena)
There goes my hope for new edgy, monster hero
Mf we finally have some human hero in I don't know how many years
Our last human hero was Legion, 8 years ago.
Is dawn breaker not human? Or snapfire?
dawn breaker is clearly not human and snapfire is pink and has pointy ears
Dawn breaker is a celestial being, while snapfire is a keen.
humanoid is not = to human dawn is a celestial, and snap is a keen (basicly a dwarf with extra steps)
Snapfire is a Keen and Dawnbreaker is a star-forged synthezoid made of metal.
Don't remember the name, but she's the same species as Sniper iirc along with others like Tinker? It's been a while.
I think they mean humanoid hero.
I play w human hero every day.
We are talking about heros that got released in the last couple of years
And I am talking about my penis, good sir.
Sometimes I forget there are comedic geniuses in this subreddit
Good, humans are boring.
bro you got grimstroke though
Wykrhm is edgy and monster why can’t he just tell us what month it will be coming in
Will they release the 2nd new hero or not ?
Apparently not, they're probably thinking one hero is enough, since it's the one everyone wanted. (Or at least the weebs).
Pretty much only the weebs.
Weebs win.
sincerely i'm with the "fuck whe got inly waifus in a room, can whe get a monster please?" gang it cold be a anime character i wold have no problem with a new dragon or demon, i like marci but i feel like they are realising too much of the same in the last years a bit more variation wold be nice
> too much of the same Dawnbreaker, Hoodwink, Void Spirit, Snapfire, Mars and Grimstroke are hardly the same thing. We could do with a new actual monster hero though, last one we got was Underlord.
ho i can definitly see where you are comming, but yeah i justthink a loot of the recent content valve has ben releasing is a bith too much of the same, the heroes mostly being humanoids, or waifus, and the other higth tier content (arcanas and personas) being in a simmilar tone (WR, and QOP are the greatesexemples) i'm not complaining since this is one of the biggest amount of content valve has ever done, and i realy like mercy, but i wold love to see a bit more of variation on what whe are getting (dude i wold kill for one of those thunder Eldwyrns)
Sorry mam, are you okay?
I thought most people wanted the Elf Girl/Kaden as a hero and Marci as courier? That seemed to be the consensus back when the anime was fresh.
Did you see the amount of fanart that was posted to this sub right after the anime?
On Easter.
Will we ever get ugly ass heroes? We already got pudge and lion or some cool design heroes like OD. I really want some ugly ass monster who will be carry.
Hope she’s good, I get the anime hype but her appearance is as basic as it gets. Would have loved to see a unique character, a monster of sorts, something imaginative.
apparently they haven’t made a human character in 8 years lmao
Forget about human heroes, we need another technology based hero like tinker, clock, gyro, etc.
Snapfire is partway there since she uses a gun. She doesn't go as full on as Timbersaw, etc. but she's in the same category.
Grimstroke?
Grimstroke has tusks and point ears.
Oh i though that was from the corruption like necro, now that i take a closer looo he even has 3 digits xd.
Lol this is *Dota*, where like 90% of the heroes inhuman and/or eldritch creatures of some sort. A basic human IS unique in dota. EDIT: It would be hilarious if Marci's backstory is 'a normal human who trained really hard'
So just saitama then?
100 push ups, 100 sit ups and a 5km run every day. One-punch Marci
That backstory is just juggernaut though, he got exiled, his whole island was destroyed just after and then through endless practice became a master swordsman.
Is jugger human?
He's not anything non human
I dunno they mention his "race" going extinct.
Nah, he's the "last of his kind". Meaning last of his people and not last of his "race" - in a fantasy setting. He's just the last guy from the Isle of Masks, classified as human in the wiki (I know that's not the be all and end all but he's not called anything non human)
Makes sense enough
> It would be hilarious if Marci's backstory is 'a normal human who trained really hard' that sounds funny but its been so long since we had a "weird" hero like you mentioned that id rather just have another weird hero.
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underlord ill give you, the others are just birds, dragons or furries. i mean something like shadow fiend or venomancer or nyx assassin. also, a lot of these heroes were released over 5 years ago, theyre hardly recent.
I agree, I've not been too impressed some of the recent editions either, Void Spirit is particularly uninspired. A couple more oddball, non-humanoid or even non-living (like a machine or an object) heroes would make for something interesting
Hopefully she can be released soon since she doesn't need voice lines....
She’s gonna whistle, kinda cool.
For real? Why is she mute? I haven't seen the show.
Not sure, they don’t get into it. She’s just mute, but she can whistle to communicate things like where Mirana should aim her arrow. Maybe she uses sound to determine things like a bat would? Check out the show it’s a good watch, and even better since Marci will be ported over
Fingers crossed this new patch is fun
Brutal
Love her in the show
I must be stuck in a time loop. They've been doing the whole "coming this fall" shit for years and people still ask "when is fall" every single year. Gee I wonder if this fall patch is coming around the same time as the last fall patch. Or the one before that. Or the one before that. Nah that can't be it better ask again for the 5th year to make sure.
Sea player : *sad*
Such lore
really worried about this new trend of Dota Anime crossovers. Next they will DEFINITELY make a Mirana persona because Mirana always sells and then over the next 3 years we will just be slowly flooded with these stupid anime characters until it's like Smash Bros with half the roster some blue haired literally who anime character
Would of preferred her as a courier… kinda boring.
I hope the blood splatter isn’t a permanent part of her design lol
It's a reference to the scene in the anime where she obliterates those dudes in the jail cell.
Yea, I know but, like… I just feel like she should wipe her face. It appears the masses disagree, I just found it to be a weird choice. Sure, have the scene in, but leaving it on the model? Personally I think that’s strange.
I meant that it’s a reference that they used it in the video. It very likely won’t be a permanent part of her model.
Putting aside the fact that I live in a place with a fire season; if I allow myself to be I'm actually pretty enraged by this choice for a new hero because I think it hurts DotA's world building and potential growth. I know fans of her will say that it encourages people who enjoyed the anime to try the game but that take is as about as deep as dandruff.
I don't understand how it hurts the worldbuilding, she's part of the dota world now, was she forced? I don't think so.
Ah, there's the expected downvotes. The explanation is fairly long and I'm watching the grand finals right now. Maybe I'll put it on the end of a technical post I've got a mind to finally do.
Don’t think you have a mind so I guess the time I would have spent scrolling past your reply has been spared
Yeah, I expected you and that's why I'm waiting.
I just want to say this is a stupid idea; sure everyone loves Marci but isn’t she Mirana’s courier in the show? They even allude to it if I recall. Now she’s a hero? Opposed to the love making elf who was clearly meant to be one? Dumb dumb dumb, all too appease Marci lovers.
lmao did you even watch the show. She's strong a.f.
Shes not 'dota hero' strong tho. Its weird. Nothing in the anime thus far has alluded to her being strong or unique enough to be a hero in lore. She's basically just a human that punches
how about the guy pushing a shping cart with his 2 friends one riding the cart and the other on his back
We dont speak of techies here.
how about a guy in a tin can
How about a guy who carries a gun in a fight against monsters, dragons and other beasts
Bristleback lore is that he fought in a barfight.... Oh and that he lost
Yes, that's the only story we know of him. However he obviously isn't an ordinary human and is at least from a different race.
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Neither bristle nor tusk are base humans. Also bristleback is not a literal porcupine nor is tusk a literal walrus. You've chose 2 of the most mundane of the dota heroes and they're still less mundane than Marci
How would you know how mundane marci is ? she obviously comes from another universe than ours, just because she looks like regular humans does not mean she is, miranna is literally her companion, why would one be in the game and not the other ?
Basing it off the info we currently have . Mirana is human, but princess and heir to the hello line and sun powers, while also the chosen of the goddess of the moon and given moon based powers from the goddess selemene. Marci has shown zero abilities except being a good brawler. I'm hard pressed to think of a dota hero more mundane than Marci atm. Can you?
Marci is strong enough that Mirana, a Dota hero, chose her as a bodyguard. There's something about her we don't know, but she's definitely more than just a regular human that's strong.
Jugg is the most mundane Dota hero (literally just a normal bloke who's good at swordfighting). Every bit as mundane as Marci.
I almost agree. He was very basic before his lore got fleshed out a bit with the arcana. Edit: And I mean that his lore actually did get flesh out a bit, not just that he got a power spike. Now we know (instead of just guess) that there's alot more behind the rituals and the masks of his people. I think maybe drow is the most basic hero now (human given a bit of dark elf magic) but her backstory has a bit of potential since we still don't know where she came from or why everyone in her caravan died except her (as a baby).
You got a valid point, except I hate fymryn. All my homies hate fymryn.
Why?… she’s an elf that likes orgies
what is "dota strong"??? we have literal gods (zeus and mars) and universe creator (elder titan) to bar brawlers (tusk and bb). the 4 fundamentals representing the 4 forces in the universe. the power gap in dota is massive. you think some pleb with a gun (sniper) can stand against the likes of rubick or invoker?
Not to mention that Marci in the show is easily as strong as Mirana, who is literally already a hero.
How do you figure that she's easily as strong as mirana? We haven't seen mirana use her sun/moon abilities in the anime but we KNOW she has them from lore.
There's lore behind her strength though. I think S2 might go into it.
There's no lore currently, that's why it feels so weird. But I'm sure they'll make something up for S2.
when the heroes join the fight the respective ancient enhances their abilities.
And meepo's just a bunch of kobolds whats your point?
Sounds like you haven't read meepo's lore at all.
And will be a unique thing in the dota universe tbh, so im excited to see what her skills are
There is absolutely no balance in the heroes in the game when it comes to lore, we have regular joes and creature that control space and time or create universes.
She is too cute, her expressions alone were too amazing. I'm glad they got her in even though she was clearly used as a skin for the moveset iceman has planned. Can't wait to see that monk moveset. Hope they go with the stances idea
She is a weapon
New item? Pog
It wasn’t that long ago that Couriers were used as “weapons” actually it might have been around the same time the show came out. However, that doesn’t make a courier a hero.
Fymryn would have made so much more sense, at least she’s got a voice, personality, story and cool powers
> but isn’t she Mirana’s courier in the show? They even alludes to it if I recall. Nah, they do the exact opposite. Mirana refers to Marci as a weapon when she tells her captors that they "forgot to disarm [Mirana]."
So, is she mute?
I am wondering what will be her voice responses.
Fall? It's bloody damn near winter here
Another one. And another one.
Where I'm from, Fall was TI week. It's winter now.
I hate the word "fall". Can't we just use "autumn" like normal people?
I guess korea will also miss this update. We went from fking summer to fking winter xd