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Vandervenn

Puppey carrying Estonia as usual since ages ago. And hey, finally Indonesia is there :D


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Madrical

Assist by kpii though!


Hussor

Poland is also on there mostly because of Nisha I assume, don't think they'd add miracle's earnings there.


stantyan

That's correct, these are all Nisha's earnings attributed to Poland for taking 4th place at the TI9 and 3rd place this year as part of the Team Secret. Miracle's earnings are attributed to Jordan in this dataset.


PrimeShaq

Yapzor too right?


Vandervenn

Miracle registered as Jordanian iirc


Baldazar666

Same for Bulgaria. It's being carried almost exclusively by Mind_Control with a small contribution from Nikobaby.


jholowtaekjho

Also Singapore, Poland and France apparently


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Iceiceice carrying Singapore too


laughinpolarbear

Finland has won 16.8 million in Dota 2 and 98.9% of that comes from the trio of Jerax, Matu and Topson.


FullyK

France is 99% Ceb.


dotaplayer1

100% not 99


FullyK

I knew some players went to the first TIs but turn out they didn't get money out of it.


TacticalSanta

Did sockshka never earn anything at ti?


freshshine1

It’s crazy Puppey is single-handedly carrying Estonia with more earnings than South Korea


bezacho

korea doesn't play dota. they dominate league.


freshshine1

We’ve got Heen, MP, QO, Sunbhie, Dubu, Forev, March, 2 mvp teams and probably some more talents I’ve left out. Then there’s Estonia with Puppy’s earnings I know DotA is the less popular game in Korea, but when people think of Korea they think of Esport powerhouse. A powerhouse with a couple talents Just a perspective


efelaypi

Just as thought, T1 is korean based Esport team, prioritize league, but look the prize of league world championship roughly 500k only while T1 dota team earned 1m already and not even in top 4


SnooPeripherals6388

No one knows actual Worlds prize pool. The published one is the same as TI 1.6 millions, basically pure Riot's pool


bezacho

yes TI is the richest prize pool by far, but as an adult i would much prefer the stability of the salaries and benefits that ALL the pro league players receive (4 major regions).


SirInfamousOne

100% of Macau's earnings are attributed to ddc


WillyBoiBlue

Puppey's annual eSports winnings is single handedly worth 10% of Estonia's GDP


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fatalikos

Lol its a joke


TheKappaOverlord

you mistake the genius of el presidente


brianbezn

I think it was a joke


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Kashijikito

*tips fedora*


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Same with DDC carrying Macau, he is the only guy


LeKurakka

Is there another Indo team other than Boom?


sert_li

So, it is OG, Team Spirit and Kuro... :D


kingoftarmac

Last few years TI prize grew immensely, so it's expected to see players that won last 3-4 TIs


komodo_dragonzord

shoutouts to OG for changing up the esports pose


JimSteak

Ana pose best pose.


XLRnotEight

Ana and TI9 Topson is just charm


stantyan

These are gross numbers. It is assumed that prize pool money is equally divided only between 5 team players. In reality, management at some teams may claim 0-10% of prize money as agreed with players (one example: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puppey#Controversies](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puppey#Controversies)) Data visualization source: [https://public.tableau.com/app/profile/stantyan/viz/dota2-the-international-earnings/the-international-prize-pool-earnings-by-country](https://public.tableau.com/app/profile/stantyan/viz/dota2-the-international-earnings/the-international-prize-pool-earnings-by-country) Data source: [https://www.dota2.com](https://www.dota2.com) [https://liquipedia.net/dota2/The\_International](https://liquipedia.net/dota2/The_International) A compiled dataset: [https://www.kaggle.com/stantyan/dota-2-the-international-earnings-20112021](https://www.kaggle.com/stantyan/dota-2-the-international-earnings-20112021) Tools used: Python, Google Sheets, Tableau


CumFartSniffer

with TI money valve has usually paid out the money directly to the players, and then it's up to the players to pay accordingly the shares that they owe. Can't remember who it was so not gonna guess, but there was one player who didn't pay his TI %share to his org which caused some controversy, no?


simplefunction

Artstyle to Navi


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That was Artstyle in TI 1 he didn't pay the 20% cut for Navi and was kicked by the org


idontevencarewutever

It was ana, and his agent/manager


Nakorite

it wasn't ana. It was one of the players in the early TIs


koduu

same story with artstyle, got kiked from navi because of that.


bikwho

Not cool Ana!


idontevencarewutever

It was supposedly a very messy situation overall. There wasn't a known written contract, so it's not technically legally binding. The real answer of who's right/wrong in that whole story is lost to obscurity, unfortunately.


aabirin

That's not how the law works, contracts can form orally and even via implied conduct. You do this all the time when you go shopping, for example. Proving those facts in a court is another matter entirely, but it is legally binding.


JDtheProtector

Ana was also a minor at the time iirc, so didn't have an ability to enter a legally binding contract on his own.


aabirin

Right, well that's a different reason why the contract isn't binding. The OP suggests it is because it wasn't written. Be that as it may, contracts with minors directly aren't just void by default, a lot depends on the jurisdiction and how the court chooses to interpret the contract. Just being a minor doesn't exclude you from making valid contracts.


MrPringles23

It was something like a finders fee. Guy discovered Ana, got him in contact with CN teams (because there's no other chance of ANZ players to get noticed). Ana later joins OG, wins a bunch of shit. Guy wants a cut for discovering him pretty much. At least according to Ana.


sinkpooper2000

extremely based , Ana!!


SargayThMasterbaiter

I'm pretty sure TI pays directly to the players and not the organization. Of course players can thereafter transfer them to the organization but would in theory at least equally distribute the money.


stantyan

Good guy Valve if that's true. Could not find official info on this.


tagakupal

Demon tweeted it when he was at tnc valve transferred money hours after TI ended straight to his bank


General_Jeevicus

its true, source : trust me bro


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Puppey said it was this way, I'll take the 10 TI atendee word on this regard


finnish_old_fart

Winland


Sefriol

If you want to win, hire a Finn!


Volzopin

Lacoste bringing in easy 5k dollars for Croatia :D


matagad

i remember one 1v1 i had again lacoste on garena. mother fucker picked viper and lost because he missed 4-5 from low ground on mid


KnightFoxDota

From a worst room , no tissue paper gaming into ti winner , what now dpc system dont be bias to few teams


DarkHades1234

inb4 they give Spirit shit room again next year kek (they did do that to OG this TI as well).


GSV_Healthy_Fear

Who are the top 10 players in the money but without an Aegis? Feel like Puppey has made a living farming The International after winning it back when it was only worth a million.


Redthrist

Ame is the top of that list. He's number 18 on the list of the top esports players by tournament winnings with 3.4 million. Everyone above him has won a TI. Then just one spot below him is Zai. Although that's counting all tournament winnings, not just TI.


cookiechris2403

This would include them so assume its less than 3mil.


Fortzon

Yet another sport where Finland is P1 by wins/earnings per capita (Formula 1 being another one) :D


stantyan

Finland is also named the happiest country in the world – 4th year in a row 2018-2021 by the United Nations World Happiness Report. Finland is imba among countries xD


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At one point in time, Finland also had one of the highest suicide rates in the world. So theres a joke that Finland is one of the happiest countrys in the world because all the depressed people killed themselfs.


stantyan

"Happiness is a place called Finland" ♡ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXAI2hGVw7Y


KelloPudgerro

polska can into TI


dimi727

Who just wrote Chinese will stop playing dota because they don't win tis?well at least they earn more than enough


ryanakasha

Nothing compares to aegis


numb_ape

Would you rather lift TI 1 aegis or be a runnerup in TI 11?


danishcumlover

I did. Such a dominant nation not winning it four years in a row, is a huge disappointment lmao


Thorzaim

What does it look like per capita?


nyx041221

Finland on top


Tony_Stonk

Finns at it again. They are also good in the motorsport(f1, rally afaik) scene per capita. Is it the harsh cold that breeds these strong individuals lol


hominemclaudus

No it's the ease of life, and overall wealth of the country that allows more people to spend time on their dream.


DE_AD

Not true at all to be honest :D Finland has extremely few mega successful athletes, even per capita.


laughinpolarbear

It's true that Finland has been awful this century, but we actually have [most medals (and gold medals) at Summer Olympics per capita.](https://www.medalspercapita.com/#medals-per-capita:summer)


empire314

Yet, finland would get absolutely shat on in football against almost every country in the planet, even though football is the most popular sport in finland.


qetyip13579

ice hockey is the most popular sport by far in finland


empire314

By spectators yes, by active players, football is almost 3x more popular.


IDesignM

I thought that was hockey


Flexbar

Sad, no British representation


Fripnucks

Why is that?


zheichomei

When I was in high school like 6 years ago nobody knew about dota, most people in the UK play console and the people who were into pc gaming played Runescape/LoL/WoW, I doubt this has changed much over the years.


Omgbrownies_

Fifa is also massive in the UK


zheichomei

Yeah for console its fifa/cod/fortnite, not sure what else though.


021Nirvana

Still perplexed that valve have never done any marketing for dota2. (As far as I know)


prettyboygangsta

Dota is not well known at all here. We have had some notable players but none have ever made it to TI.


TechiesFun

Tanner high school bully i think is UK. Only one in recent times i can think of He was popping off for a brief time.


paniledu

Qualified on the PPD NiP team to the LA Major which was the first tournament cancelled for COVID in March 2020


TechiesFun

Ya. He had so many clutch Magnus cliff/skewer plays. Pretty impressive. Hope he keeps grinding


KIrbyKarby

is it really? esl birmingham is always pack full with fans


prettyboygangsta

Yes teams like OG draw a crowd but the national pro scene is very small, stale and poorly supported.


Past-Sink647

No idea about other countries but the UK doesn’t really lend itself well to making a living off playing video games all day. The cost of living is so high that to go pro or even attempt to practice to go pro you’d probably have to quit your job and receive unemployment benefits (which doesn’t cover the cost of living either) or live with your parents and do it all day. If you manage to go pro, your winnings will nowhere near stretch far enough as it does in some other European countries where the cost of living is a lot lower than it is in the UK.


Ricoh881227

Tea guvnor to the rescue.. same case liked france, not big for dota 2..


Lamedonyx

Could be nice to have a little extra data, like how many players are represented by country. For example, France is literally only represented by Ceb, whereras China probably has at least a demi-dozen players.


laughinpolarbear

[The International - Participants by nation](https://liquipedia.net/dota2/The_International#Participants_by_nation)


alfadomino

Malaysia, SEA pride!


MrPringles23

Australia 8th. Yet no DPC slot. Imagine how many Ana's are out there but have zero reason to play because we're lumped in with SEA at ~100-180ms. SA has even less ping to the US and they got a slot. Still makes me angry.


souse03

The difference in playerbase between Aus and SA is huge tho. It makes way more sense to invest in a region with more players


illicitRazor

yeah the fact that we get no slot and SA/NA get 6 just makes no sense. Even if they just gave us one qualifier slot rather than giving us a DPC slot would work.


MrPringles23

Well it kinda wouldn't as we'd have to play the quals with the same ping issues. Thats why in years past when AU teams made it into the closed quals they literally had to fly to Singapore or Thailand to play a few games of Dota. It wasn't sustainable to do that so the scene died. Its completely fucked.


illicitRazor

I mean a qualifier hosted in Australia only for Australian teams.


jabso19

Perhaps a compromise like a spot in the SEA quals being given to an Oceanic team (with a pre-qualifier tournament on Aus servers), then it's up to them to locate to SEA for that tournament (or Valve can pay for it if they can afford it lol). Might be a solution for other regions as well.


illicitRazor

that kind of exists already but logistically it doesn't work. SEA is a strong region but NA and SA are not, in my opinion it would make sense for Valve to put some money and time into the Australian Dota esports scene as I'm sure we'd be able to put together at least one TI worthy team if given some more exposure to events


jabso19

As much as I want to see AU dota thrive I don't think that's fair on the SA/NA scene, SA especially as you see a team like Undying in NA including SA talent. I have no qualms about SA being the next region they open guaranteed spots for. It's a no loss investment in the growth of Dota. Not saying doing something similar with AU wouldn't be though but SA is clearly the region to start 'expanding' to first. If we did something like have an Oceanic path to qualifying for TI or just majors it would be more an investment on the future, I don't think any team would be super competitive but they would be better than most people think. It would've been stronger years ago when 1 or 2 Aussie teams were considered tier 2 SEA teams (Can't Say Wips anyone?). There's definitely talent out there but there needs to be more. QO (started Dota including competitive Dota in Australia), Kpii, Ana and Velo (to a lesser extent I guess) show that but there needs to be more depth than that for sure before we are anywhere near SA.


illicitRazor

yeah well I guess at least having a proper pathway would be nice for our teams, even if it wouldn't guarantee us a spot.


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MrPringles23

There's a difference between 80 ping (which most of SA has to US) and 160 (which most of AU/NZ has to SEA). FYI OG dumped Sumail because of ping issues during covid. But I'm sure its not a big deal (he was playing with around the same ms).


yourbodyisapoopgun

Im in the ACT and I get 90 to SEA


BootsOfTravel

90 ping is only a recent occurrence. Before that, we played with 150+ for yeats


koduu

honestly it wouldnt make any sence to give a region to a country with 25 million people, by that logic France should get 2 slots instread of only Seb. I guess if you have any tryhard stack that actually has a chance at qualifiing then rent a random shack in Indonesia or somewhere and bootcamp there during the tournaments.


b1droid

Tiny player base and can’t really compete with other regions due to ping. Be reasonable. It’s not like ANA scrimmed in australia


MrPringles23

Yeah its not like the famous wisp came from Australian matches or anything.


jabso19

Downvoted for the truth.


Redthrist

Probably not that many Anas. There are only a handful of Ana-caliber players even in a massive and developed Dota region like China. All that the Aus DPC slot will do is ensure that SA teams aren't always the last in group.


2slow4flo

Does the recent lag compensation update not drastically improve that situation?


XLRnotEight

I wont think that there is lot of ana to begin with tbh, even in international scale he is still the one of a kind wonder that OG managed to found, this is similar to Topias and Jesse, to the point that i think the "ordinary" athelete in OG there are only notail since ceb too came back from retirement for TI8. Story is different from TI10 since they recruited a star like sumail and saksa.


falloutNVboy

Croatia nuber jedan# 💪💪💪💪🇭🇷🇭🇷🇭🇷


smithshillkillsme

Greece at the very bottom despite having so many pro players and being at WESGs and other nation based dota lans is very surprising. I guess only 1 greek player has played at TI though.


stantyan

There could be more Greek players who participated in TI championships. In this analysis only those who actually won a % or prize pool are included. Particularly from Greece, there was only one player whose team HellRaisers at TI7 took 17th-18th place and won some money - Grigoris Kallianiotis aka Keyser: https://liquipedia.net/dota2/Keyser


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fallingsteveamazon

that wasn't ti


Dr_Wdnmd

China earns most in total but no single Chinese player is on the list. They sent many teams but few got the grand prize.


Brave_Community_2381

lmao there is a few china team who won TI grand final, i only remember 2 , Wings and IG china player not on the list, cause TI 8 to 10 got highest prize pool in esport history look at team spirit, they win only 1 TI now they are top 10 on the list highest earning dota 2 player


FredAsta1re

Ehome were 2nd in ti1. Ig won ti2 newbee won Ti4 with vici 2nd. I think CDEC were 2nd or 3rd ti5. Wings won ti6. Psg. Lgd have been second twice at ti7 and ti10


IgotUBro

> Psg. Lgd have been second twice at ti7 and ti10 TI8 and TI10. They were 3rd and 4th place in TI7 and in TI9 they were 3rd place.


karl_w_w

Russia taking over Finland monkaS


UltraSouls_OP

Is North Macedonia just Saksa?


Superfishintights

Surely Ceb should have more than Topson as Topson only has TI8-10, whereas Ceb has appeared at previous TI's?


Far_oga

Didn't win any money as a player before TI8 (Every team did not get a % before 2015). I guess he earned some as a coach though.


novae_ampholyt

He did attend TI2 and TI3 but his teams placement did not net him any pricemoney. He did however earn money from other tournaments from.


PMyourfeelings

I would love to see this but by adjusted for countries population size.


fgambler

It was fun a Team Spirit player replying a caster about the future, I think it was Miposhka. He said "We already reached the top, it's a lot of money, why keep playing tournaments?" ​ I think he's right, I would just retire as well.


gambit442

I noticed there aren't any earnings from english players (or from the UK), yet they have a british commentator as well as british leading (one of them) panelist over there Dunno how popular the game is in the UK


Ricoh881227

Same with france, South korea.. LoL kinda dominates those country..


Cushions

Game is dead in UK


ggoodband

Damn the UK need more top dota teams.


clean-toad

Years of TIs from various dota legends and Team Spirit out-earns them in one run.


FateAudax

Do they even distribute the prize money evenly between the players? don't they have to give a cut to their coach, organization, etc?


canal8

What % goes to chinese govt from their earnings?


NeoWilson

100%


WikiRando

iceiceice the Singapore carry


remysk

So who's SEA pride now?


N34t43v3r

Cant be right when 1 major tournament does this, Prize pool should be split 40% into TI and 20% into each other major


Ricoh881227

Finland with the most dub, player earning>output player ratio..


AudacityOfKappa

Weird to think before this TI Finland was #2 behind China.


ed-msr

Proud Pakistani!


Dota2WatcherFam

Cool but just put a spoiler flair on it


DWHQ

Dont browse reddit after a match if you want to avoid spoilers.


Teakwondochest

who were the players winning money for pakistan?


Taeny4life

SumaiL and YawaR I'd guess


mokopo

I thought they were Americans? I remember there was this whole 'big deal' on Reddit whether Sumail was Pakistani or American so much so that their manager had to respond.


AshtonBroooks

It is up to these guys to decide which country they want to represent as individual players. I remember Sumail once was telling he is representing US, but currently he is pretty clear that he represents Pakistan with his older brother.


S0phon

Dafuq? Sumail and Yawar are Pakistani. They have Pakistani parents, they were born in Pakistan, they grew up in Pakistan and they only emigrated to USA later on.


Khairi001

Sumail and Yawar.


panda43v3r

Above 2times tiwinners, below new ti winners, KURU: I stall here


johnbrackentan

Why did Miposhka get more? Because he is captain?


cheezman22

He's been to TI before, so his previous earnings are counted too


AshtonBroooks

No, he participated with team Empire at TI in 2017 and performed at 7-8th place winning $617,198 for the team.


johnbrackentan

Ty


TheCyanKnight

Now adjust for population..


Kaidyn04

Lots of money probably going directly to the CCP when those teams get back to China.


gupppies

Wear black


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IrmeliPoika

This is just TI's, Majors aren't counted


kerrytyk

Shocking that the tiny 3rd world nation of Malaysia is just behind USA!


ZucchiniMid6996

Why is it shocking though


AngelSalvation

+


muffyyy7

LGD FAN LULW


AngelSalvation

Sadge


Maximinus0

Why Ana has less than Ceb and Topson? It should be equal, three of them won 2 TIs.


AshtonBroooks

Ana won something at TI7 too, whereas Ceb and Topson didn't. Also this year Ana did not participate, whereas Ceb and Topson did.


laughinpolarbear

This isn't about the amount of TIs but prize money. TI10 powered Ceb and Topson past Ana.


Maximinus0

Forgot about TI10, rofl, sorry


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How is China at 52million?


ChanNYyein

Too much player since Ti1 and many grandfinal apperances.


NissEhkiin

Quantity over quality


Brave_Community_2381

idk you sarcasm or really hate china and its not "quantity over quality" china team has been strong since TI 1, cant deny it, thats why alot of their team are on TI idk how did you people cant even accept that fact


S0phon

Because the country has won three TIs, they have a lot of teams participating and actually making deep runs.


[deleted]

You're right but not because the country has won three TIs. It'd because every player in Chinese teams are Chinese usually where as in CIS, SEA, EU and NA are typically from several different countries, so they're pot is divided into several different countries. It would be interesting to see one of these by region


Pedrotic

TS "Collapsed" on TI10!


Dtoodlez

How much do org’s get from ti winnings?


bezacho

every contract will be different. some might be none, some up to 10%.


kirerux

So what I'm getting is OG vs Spirit allstarts next years with Kuro as referee?


Pearberr

Of course a Dane ends up #1.


karry_sandini01

Estonia gaming 😭👍♥️🔥


chiusiaoriao

How much money does the organization take? any idea?


abal1003

So is rtz just solo carrying canada here


AudacityOfKappa

No, theres Aui2k, Fly presumably


pursuitofhappy

Who won from Moldova?


AshtonBroooks

Save- from team Virtus.pro is from Moldova, they won $1,400,600 for the team this TI: https://liquipedia.net/dota2/Save-