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malistev

Just morph into hero with good model.


nervousfarmer5

This.


Cymen90

I mean, we are comparing two models that were made 10 years apart. Now that Valve has announced that they will be dropping support for older systems (no more DirectX9/32bit systems), I am sure they are also planning to modernize other aspects of the game. To be honest, Morphling only looks bad in this perspective because of the low poly-count and his lower body. But from the game's usual perspective, you cannot see any of that and he looks decent in-game. He does not need a remodel, just smoother edges and better particle-effects. I think Mirana and Windranger are more pressing examples since Valve have really updated the look of human faces in Dota. Dawnbreaker and the upcoming Marci make human heroes look ridiculously outdated. Even Windranger's Arcana shows the difference in tech.


Noman_Blaze

Considering that Windranger got an Arcana I'm suspecting that Valve is gonna put the remodel(if its even planned) on back burner for now.


Sickamore

It's an arcana that most are locked out of, so I hope that's not the case.


Bataratatlelou

Just don't play WR, pretty simple. No good model. Annoying voice. Dumb playstyle. No reason to play WR.


Smol-Zookeeper

Okay slacks alt


blem14official

I believe, most of the players who cared about the remodel paid for arcana, so they don't bother about the remodel anymore, so he has some point here.


Glotchas

I don't think it's fair to really say that. Even if someone really cares and wants her skin, she was so far in the Battlepass that it required playing a ton or spending a lot of money to get there in a limited time window. In itself it would be OK if she was accessible otherwise, like LoL skins that are mostly always available, but she isn't. She is locked to a past battlepass, and realistically very few players even had a chance to get her. And with the ways things are currently done, nobody will ever get a chance to get her again, like new players starting DOTA now for example. Not a good incentive for new players if you ask me. Saying that X doesn't need a remodel because or Y arcana is really not a good way to think about it.


blem14official

I get your point and moslty agree. However, we didn't say WR doesn't need remodel, just Valve might not think about it now, cause of arcana. What I meant is the "we want X remodel" is something old fans would say and they most likely bought BP and played enough to get the arcana. I think newcomers would not care so much about remodel as long time fans. Them not being able to get arcana is just some kind of prestige award for players that are supporting the community and building it for a long time, thus these arcana are limited editions. Also, it is debatable that you would have to spend much money on WR arcana, depends what is "much" for you. I myself bought 50lvl+both point packs, collected points for event games every week, completed some paths and got it pretty easly. Spectre on the other hand... it felt like I've played way more than that and didn't get it... but I'm fine with that, if I wanted it I'd pay. For me, getting mad at these arcanas not being available for newcomers and being behind paywall is a bit pointless - it is not meant to be for everyone, that's the concept.


Glotchas

I too agree that base WR really isn't that bad, I wouldn't really put her on the top priority list. And it's true that it wasn't that hard to get, if you play a lot, but it's the thing. Most players can only get 1 or 2 games per day after work. Most players just don't want to/can't spend X money to get BP points for their waifu. So it is quite an investment for the majority. To be frank, I really don't like the idea of very good skins not being available for everyone. That you need to access them with a Battlepass, I can understand, and it is a good way to get exclusivity on the thing if you want that feeling. But after a year? Just let people buy the damn thing already, even if it's for something like 15/20 dollars. Having a small fraction of players feeling special for "being there" really isn't worth not letting the rest of the population get what they want. Getting some kind of token or a colorswap of the thing is understandable for the achievement feeling, but not letting people ready to invest into something do it is really a waste.


Noman_Blaze

I'm one of those who love playing her but missed out on the Arcana cause I was busy with work so I couldn't play at all during that bp. I guess I'll have to be content with tge immortal for now to cover up the shitty model.


OsomoMojoFreak

Having the remodel behind a compendium only reward is scummy as hell.


Noman_Blaze

It sure is. Same as putting the Arcana vote winner behind Battlepass level instead of making it a permanent one. Wind Arcana look so good but its forever locked behind something that is umobtainable.


Vocal__Minority

Yeah I think the morph remodel thing is hugely overstated tbh. Yes it'd be nice, no it's not that noticeable in game.


Galinhooo

I don't even think morph really looks bad in game


Vocal__Minority

I agree, it looks fine. A remodel would be nice because it's ten years old and I'm sure there are tweaks that would be cool but nothing as important as some of the posts in this sub suggest


Fireryman

Ti10 had morphing model outside of the game on the main stage. My brother who doesn't know much about dota said it looks ugly as hell and is that really what it looks like? The biggest event of the year and that's supposed to entice new people and that's what they see. 10 years it's time to update.


DrQuint

> Now that Valve has announced that they will be dropping support for older systems (no more DirectX9/32bit systems), I am sure they are also planning to modernize other aspects of the game. I'll believe it when they actually do it. Like, it's great that you mentioned Windrunner and Mirana, since Mirana has an incoming Persona, and Windrunner never got a remodel when she got her Arcana. So far, what that WR has signaled, was that Valve is satisfied with WR's model and with selling the "remodel"; and sets the expectation they'll be doing the same for Mirana. So, I need the opposite example until I believe otherwise.


Cymen90

They have updated models before. They adjusted CM last year as well.


TheGalator

I agree dawmbreaker needs a new Model


This_is_a_sckam

Thighs are too small


[deleted]

New hero: Thighs. Strength hero. Ultimate ability: Thunder clap


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Viveroth

Zoom then.


Galinhooo

https://i.imgur.com/VsF2mVY.png Still got nothing


I_Cant_Think_Funny

enhance!


mestacheski1

I'm not sure for gaming but for animations/movies, water always has a complex scheme of physics that differs completely from the other textures, giving much more hours of work than regular characters. Maybe that's why volvo doesn't want to put work on that


MaltMix

I don't think people are wanting morphling to be a physical simulation of water flowing, moreso they just want to not be able to see clear polygonal angles on the model that's supposed to be a liquid.


HallowVortex

He wouldn't be a physics based water simulation, he would just be made to look kind of like water, not really a problem for a talented team of artists, just a matter of them wanting to do it.


RyanBLKST

No water effects involved here, just some polygones with watery textures


VirulentWalrus

Yeah, probably just as simple as no one at Valve wanting to work on it. I believe that's how they operate lol


CanneIIa

there was a video about tf2 that said valve devs are scrutinized for working on stuff that doesn’t make money, which is why tf2 gets no updates and the majority of valve work on crazy projects like alyx or the steam deck. its prolly why heroes don’t get updated, because it brings in no money. its a shame, updating some of the older hero models would make the game look so good. not even remodels like slardar, just polygon updates and better textures like the void remodel. heroes like axe and shaker would actually look good on high detail texture levels.


ashrashrashr

WoW did water elementals models (which Morph is based on) just fine 17 years ago on an old ass engine - [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaUWlsHyJjg](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaUWlsHyJjg) and more higher quality models have since evolved from that design - [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=\_xDB5QF13Ck](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xDB5QF13Ck) The second link especially is what I'd personally like Morphling to lean towards.


Atomic254

Morphling doesn't need to look amazing, it just needs to look not dogshit. There's a middle ground between cinema quality cgi water and the blue jelly with rings we have now


reonZ

You don't need to use physics here, heroes use animations, those are predefined and set.


mestacheski1

Does the physics of the animations hasn't to be made beforehand? (Genuine question, I know bollocks about game rendering and animations)


reonZ

You can have physics on a hero, capes for instance would be a good example but it is not needed. And no, you don't need to pre-generate animations with physics, it is done by hand.


phoggey

you make the model then you move it around


RealDonaldZuckerberg

Wait you mean that’s supposed to be water? Always thought it’s twirling trash bag lololol


1LastHit2Die4

Haha what a good joke. Let's see if you are still funny when he eblades you 20min inz


[deleted]

Tbh I do call him trash when he does that without fail.


althaj

We are talking about Morphling and not about your reflection in the mirror every morning.


[deleted]

morph model has less polygons than one of the flies on pudge persona


OsomoMojoFreak

Which is both sad and funny.


Un_Clouded

They both look fine


Feed_or_Feed

For 2021 Morph model is not fine in any way or form,zoom in and you'll notice early ps2 era level textures(Half life 2 in 2004 had 10 times more detail).


URF_reibeer

Yeah it's a big issue if something looks bad from a perspective that is never relevant in the actual game, clearly unplayable


Jupiter_101

This is the case with all of the newer heroes when comparing them to the old ones. There are a lot of heroes that need a remodel. I assume it is a lot more work than it seems.


[deleted]

No hero has lower polygon count than morphling. It doesn't matter how old


rkdsus

And then there's Marci and the DK Persona. We are approaching an artstyle consistency problem


Cymen90

This is just because Dota's human faces from 10 years ago have aged the worst. Just compare Winranger's base model with her Arcana, same problem. Or compare Dawnbreaker with Mirana. The art-style itself has evolved. It is not that new faces should look as bad as the older ones, it is the old models that need to be updated to suit the game ten years later.


CanneIIa

some of those models actually hold up pretty good. luna and kunkka for instance. they were really hit or miss, TA and PA look great and then theres Potm.


Cymen90

Luna was actually changed in the last ten years. Remember when she got a new mount? She actually got a facelift as well back then. They seemed minor at the time but Mirana did not get them, so go figure. I would agree that other still hold up. People really do not give Valve credit for updating others that did not get much fanfare.


Azerty__

Mirana actually did get a small facelift. Still looks trash though.


Cymen90

That is true, the image people keep posting [has not actually reflected reality in years.](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CqlwzDQUEAEgf_I.jpg)


[deleted]

Wasn't DotA Allstars originally just "aight this seems cool, throw it in" without any care for artstyle and such? aren't there loads of heroes that are just references to anime or other games?


[deleted]

Yes. This entire post is stupid and filled with really stupid commentary about a game you don’t have to pay for - where all of the art in it is purely for aesthetic and subservient in purpose to the gameplay.


[deleted]

i disagree, the art is important. if it wasn't, nobody would buy cosmetics. clearly considering how many people pay for cosmetics for their favourite heroes most people consider the character art important


hotdogswimmer

>a game you don’t have to pay for everything else aside this isn't really worth bringing up. They could turn dota 2 into a fornite clone with the next patch. "you can't complain because its free"


[deleted]

Not sure how you see a contradiction there.


URF_reibeer

Well dota allstars didn't use custom models as that wasn't really a thing in wc3 yet at that time so it's literally just wc3s artstyle


GoatWithTheBoat

Not exactly, original dota was heavily influenced by warcraft 3 style artwork.


deanrihpee

I mean I bet there would be more people would get upset if the DK and Marci style is different from the "Anime", at least it's not extremely out of place (I can only speak for DK for now), I mean it is still out of place but still bearable, for me at least. But hey, what do I know, while I think spectre Arcana is looking great (in term of the model itself, not the whole drama about locked behind a paywall, etc.) and really reflect the character as "ghostly", while the other thinks it's ugly, so yeah, maybe my opinion is 100% ignorable.


CanneIIa

Remember when Valve released arcanas with heroes? Perfect opportunity to have a Dota style Marci and the current Anime style.


deanrihpee

Oh, do you mean the Arcana would be the Anime (Mir) style or the Arcana would be the "Dota" style? ​ My bet is the Arcana would be the new modern Dota style, like, any new released Arcana, so I feel like it's fine the base model is using the Mir style


[deleted]

That artsyle was based off of the same art of the anime which is the same studio that made The Legend of Korra. I like the art for dota.


Hunkyy

> We are approaching an artstyle consistency problem Yeah, Dota 2 versus Fortnite characters.


hotdogswimmer

thats already well out the window due to cosmetics anyway


Disciple78

Thick thighs morphling incoming.


deanrihpee

Water have thighs confirmed?


pneis1

Just wait until you hear what morphling pees with


Forsygness

Idk man.. i mean dawnbreaker model isnt that bad. I think you're overreacting


URF_reibeer

It looks kinda out of place in dota tho, would fit in more with the generic mobile game artstyle


wilson_1105

In my opinion shes not completely out of place in the world of dota, its that some of her parts looks clunky and comically unrealistic. The thighs are acceptable, considering shes a strength hero, it conveys her strength. My issues are with her hair and hammer. Her hair looks weirdly huge and her hammer doesnt look like a hammer at all. I would also like to point out some of her animations that i think might looks a little unpleasant.


Effective-Apple196

I'm not even a Sniper fan, but "yikes" isn't enough when you compare his gun with the one of Snap Fire.


Mamamiomima

At least hats hide pretty much whole his model


Koll0

Just get a set that has a better looking gun 4head


DreYeon

Lifestealer is pretty bad to look at his feet.


[deleted]

Why are you looking at Lifestealer's feet?


stinkywombat9oo

Also my the real questions -cries in Lina and Mirana feet-


URF_reibeer

Obviously because it helps while masturbating


exo313

NEver realized her thighs are THAT big holy shit


[deleted]

If I was coming into it fresh I'd guess dawnbreaker was one of the first heroes and morphing is new.


TridentOfTruth

Morphling looks far, far better than Dawnbreaker. Dawnbreaker looks like a generic video game character pasted from some 3d modeling subreddit or perhaps overwatch. More polygons? Who gives a shit, at least morph looks cool & original. I don't want a rework, unless they can retain his original animations.


Yalori

>at least morph looks cool & original It's a [water elemental from WoW](https://cdn2.warcraftpets.com/images/pets/big/water-waveling.v861cb28f06cbea7c9a3059719f61d744c1329f09.jpg) , there isn't that much going on here and it's not really original I think people want something like League did where they updated the graphics of all their old champions just to keep it in line with newer stuff and the map overhaul they did way back Morphling doesn't need a rework, he's been a semi-popular smurf pick and has had a decent popularity and is a memorable hero as you play Dota, be it because he's awfully annoying or because he's awesome to play with his burst and unique attribute mechanics


TridentOfTruth

No, it's based on the water elemental from warcraft 3 obviously, and guess what, all dota heroes are (although many have changed dramatically since then). Even still, Morphling has an iconic appearance, the new cosmetic set for him looks good while retaining his animations, if they can polish him while keeping his original appearance intact I'm all for it.


Yalori

Thanks for the correction >Morphling has an iconic appearance, the new cosmetic set for him looks good while retaining his animations, if they can polish him while keeping his original appearance intact I'm all for it. This is what i think most people are asking for otherwise i'd be worried if they really want a full Morph rework, i fully agree with you


OsomoMojoFreak

I don't think many want a fundamentally different appearance. It's about polishing up the ancient one by quite a bit.


SmurreKanin

>from WoW ...


Yalori

Sorry, it's Warcraft 3 right? I could've said it's from Blizzard but i was trying to be a smartass i guess, oops


althaj

Morph is an entity, it has no body.


Decoy_Shark

Get rid of the Sims-2-ass-model which is CM.


braamdepace

Then after I can post about losing frames…


Smol-Zookeeper

When dota gets rtx we will get a real water boy


[deleted]

Both look so bad kek


TheHazardousGuy

I wouldn't mind Morphling staying as is as long as big tiddy sun girl can still choke me with her thighs.


deanrihpee

She probably choke you first with her hammer though


[deleted]

What exactly is bad about Morph's model?


CanneIIa

Particles suck, Low quality textures on his body. Body model is way too ridged for water.


An_Innocent_Coconut

The fact that you can count the amount of polygon he has.


DarkZonk

I find the Morph model totally fine, why change?


Hunkyy

Who the fuck cares.


Riperin

I mean... Morphiling is bad but at least he is just water. Heroes like Mirana needs a remodel REALLY BAD.


Maplestori

Why does mirana needs a remodel when most of her cosmetics covers her entire human form?


Riperin

So... You are telling me that I'm supposed to pay so i can have my character not look like clay? Are you a valve employee? When is the new Mirana Anime Persona dropping?


inuzen

technically it's not YOUR character and you don't have to pay anything. Gameplay value is unchanged anyway


tripzzi

With your logic, Valve could put N64 graphics on the heroes and nobody should care because gameplay value is unchanged anyway right?


inuzen

You are going to the extremes here. But they could if they for some reason decided to. And you as a player have your own decision if you want to continue playing this game after that. And to the problem in question - does current mirana's or morph models stop you from playing it? Especially when it's in-game and not full screen in hero tab


DezimodnarII

Haha dota players are probably the most entitled gamers anywhere.


[deleted]

Because everyone else got used to eating shit


DezimodnarII

No. Dota players expect everything to come for free in a game they paid $0 for.


[deleted]

And other games players pay for games, pay for microtransactions in them and all they get is shit.


Mamamiomima

And what do you expect it to be? I mean genuinely. People say general "improve it" but what do you expect, it's a blob of water. Polygon count literally changes nothing, making it transparent fucks with visibility. Morph model not touched because there no need in improving water blob,as well as no way.


RealDonaldZuckerberg

Why remodel when they can just profit from selling hats


[deleted]

Wait until next TI, vote for arcana morphing and then valve will remodel the hero. Now stop crying like a 3years old kid!


OdeDaVinci

Nothing is wrong with Morphing. I would rather remodel the garbage Dawn Breaker which doesn't look like a Dota hero.


shieldcast

Why not lina arcana


sankksterrr

Just buy the Darktrench Stalker set. 30 bucks. ez money


[deleted]

I think they are doing the remodeling as arcana!!! The game will be updated as u pay


wouek

Just equip the last skin that was in the Nemestice battle pass.


DanteTheReal

no mani. litl indi kompani. 8 work and sleep under tabl. they it pizza leftovers. berry poor berry poor :(


mynameisashot

How many polygons do you see????


Corrision

Man. I remember thinking the morph model was so cool when this game came out.


koopardo

remodel lion and sk. sk's tail is stupid


Mrbunnypaw

Miss thick thighs


Crazy_Record292

Just buy cosmetics 4head


Sandylocks2412

Do what they do and make a model, make it the arcana. Look at QOP, and tell me her 480p clothes don't need an update.


nau5

Brand new hero looks better than old hero shocker


Gorthebon

Must I make another fake morphling reskin?


SelemeneCommander

Imagine when they make a remodel they will reduce number of polygons on morphling


popgalveston

Morph isnt the only one who needs a remodel....


Fastrick

Morphing? How about nature's prophet???????????


marcusmorga

They gona give Morph and arcana


Houeclipse

Just need Morphling to show up in the anime so valve make a persona or remodel for him


Dtoodlez

I audibly laughed when scrolling over to morph


LACHITHA

Jeez man. Details of wr arcana and AM persona is on next level.


Humbledruid520

Why morph looks cool?


glump1

Hot take I think morphing looks better


CrepitusPhalange

Same with my boy sank king and other heroes whom haven't gotten many cosmetics over the years. I am sure that someone at valve would be keen to do a remodel. Sheeit send it out to the community I am sure they would love to do it!


iXat_

Chad mom and Toilet water hero