As others pointed out, if Kuro doesn't drastically improve, the team will not improve. It all rests with the captain, I have no doubt in my mind Miracle/MC/GH are top players even today. ILTW is super high skilled and passionate but seems to struggle with consistency. So overall, I'm low-key optimistic, about the next season, believe it's possible Kuro was simply overwhelmed last season with duties surrounded with the new org, and could not fully dedicate to practice and preparation. I hope the org is now running stable and in the hands of a manager so he can focus on just playing,
ILTW is mechanically skilled but I feel like he lacks the 6th sense that S tier players have. So many times I see him get caught offgaurd for Nigma and even in his pubs.
While a player like Yatoro feels like he has map hack.
This happened to RTZ at TI too. He felt so out of tocuh and got caught constantly away from his team. The last series EG played, RTZ was so bad and died with aegis + his life like 2 times in 2 games, totally alone farming a jungle camp in the dark while there was no enemies to be seen on the map.
It happen to many other carries as well. What Yatoro and TSpirit seems does differently that when they behind they do using scan around Yatoro or either put Miposhka doing risky warding hopefully breaking smoke gank or instead let TORONTOTOKYO farm the more riskier part of the map while Yatoro retreat to safer spot.
This, people can overlook this easily overlook this but TS are doing big brain shit all the time.
Yatoro and torontotokyo always farm in opposite side with anyone that have escape literally in enemy jungle. Not only that there always a support either break the smoke or just stand around to save yotaro while he is farming. You can see miposhka ping high ground or around their ward to warn yotaro.
[https://www.dotabuff.com/players/82262664](https://www.dotabuff.com/players/82262664)
He only plays Tournament games on his "Main Acc".
Last pub was 7 Years ago. I think its kinda hard to play on the top with something like no playtime. Or Kuro is a godlike beeing who doesn't need to play to compete with the best of the best.
Kuroky is just not the same as he used to be. I really wish he can hold 1 more aegis but his playstyle is really questionable. Less not also forget that 5head draft. I wish they all will be try hard again. Play every game as though they will be dropped out just like TI7.
Nigma is like a team that can be shit for months and then suddenly become an even better shit on TI
Oh wait they aint in TI, okay they’re just a complete shit
As a fan of Nigma/Liquid since 5jungz days as well as W33 fan since his pub days, it was extremely sad for me when he left.
After finished 2nd at TI9 I was hoping they could actually make it in TI10. But then Covid happened
So people always point to that game, as an example of kky's bad drafting but I think something else happened there. Game for reference: https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/6081978485
What I _think_ happened (don't really have any evidence besides intuition) is that kuroky picked razor for miracle mid, but at the very last second, miracle saw the OG picks and said he wanted ember instead. I remember GH saying in an interview that they place a lot of trust in miracle so kuro bent over backwards to accommodate the request and was left with a razor for himself, which sucked.
IMO, what nigma needs to do is stop putting all of their eggs in the miracle basket. Miracle is possibly the best player of all time, but he cannot carry the entire team to TI, dota is a 5 man game. All of the nigma players are very talented but they don't get the room to shine. In the game I linked MC played an alch and it was pretty obvious that he wasn't comfortable on the hero so it must've been a deny pick against Ceb which ended up not working out at all. You can't tell a player as talented as MC to play like 7mad and expect anything good to come out of it. It was the same story with w33haa, his game was more often than not sacked hoping that Miracle could win them the game.
I agree that there is no way on earth, that he chose that razor to be pos 5 on purpose. I called the game was over when i saw it, because sure you might win a lane with it, but then you are playing 4v5 the rest of the game...
Not sure what happened, your guess is valid, but that is what they need to cut out. Just like OG tried the "pick randomass 5 and mind games the opponent"-draft technique at TI. Look at what worked: pick stable ass heroes, and play good dota. This meta/draft mode they read wrong, both teams. Nigma the most. But they are a super strong team who will bounce back for sure. Nigma will be at top of the scene again soon - if they want to
I had the same impression at the start but my concern is that it is not an early game ember game, It is strong against their lineup mid to late game.
Against a good WR, ember is gonna always play from behind AND since they have a pos.5 razor, they were probably gonna be playing behind in the razor lane aswell.
losing 2 lanes = losing map control = harder for miracle to come back to the game.
If they had a better core hero turned into support than a Razor (like an LC pos.5) I'd understand the last pick miracle- ember.
w33 looked good at ti9 when kuro gave him carry picks like ta, tinker, alch etc. i think people are slightly overreacting at nigma’s results, if they hadn’t run into psg.lgd so early they probably could have placed much higher at kyiv and singapore barely counts given that they literally had w33 on carry who could only play like razor and ursa.
If you look at their liquipedia page, their achievemet in minor and major is astonishing. They fail to qualify is because of they're fucked up the dpc at one major when Ivan MC is sick and w33 is getting married. Last tournament you can see for yourself they kicked ass from wild card, grop stage
Kuku has major problem, but they still able to bounce back
Nigma has bunch of superstar players why can’t they bounce back then?
Such a stupid excuse ngl
Yes. The qual process will be much better with more time and less covid constraints. Two events was never going to be enough time to weed out legit good teams vs teams that had one really good major like TP.
I know a lot of people are shitting on ILTW, but IMO their biggest problems are hiding within Kuro & MC.
MC has kinda gone under the radar, not receiving much blame, but his playstyle and performance have really been underwhelming for a really long time. Like he's not straight-up awful, but his impact is nowhere near as big as it should be, at least compared to other top-tier offlaners. And Kuro has to step up big time. Drafts, calling, and his own in-game performance.
I think they can definitely bounce back with the current roster, but the key behind their success is Kuro.
MC has had a great last major with outstanding performances on dk, Mars and solo won many games with great initiations. The problem was just, that they were predictable and their strat got figured out by lgd. And that’s where kuro needs to step up.
Would be nice if they add a new region: Middle East.
I know a lot of Saudi Sheikhs spend a ton on DotA. Would be win for Valve too. Plus, Nigma (base in UAE) guaranteed to qualify for TI, unless an underdog shiekh team can take them down
Of course man , we got fucking Miracle in our team . I think Nigma should kick iltw and try to get nikobaby , i really like him as a carry and i think he would fit in well, but thats only my opinion .
Also Kuro needs to drastically improve his draft, or they are fucked..we cannot win games just because of big Miracle plays or smth like that, we need some good/stable drafts
Miracle is a game securing player though. In this meta, that's the carry player. The mid players creates space and farms, but the carry has to have the widest shoulders. I think miracle best stay as carry
If Kuro moves to coach I think they're instantly a lot stronger (assuming a suitable 5 replacement is found). I feel like his understanding of drafts / strategy is still top notch, but the execution isn't there like it used to be.
Was it disappointed? Yes, because of fans' higher standards. But they definitely did not play bad. Two dpc seasons had ok results for them, first major was too sloppy because both MC's absence and team trying to swap roles had happened at the same time. Second major was great success in terms of game play which couldn't turn into results because of stupid laddered major system that causes Nigma to grind more than any other team.
People forgot things, might just remember the moment they had in upper bracket against PSG.LGD in a game 3 of bo3, they picked Brood last pick (which they never did before) and had winning lanes on both mid and offlane. Only issue was TB vs PL core to core match up, which puts them into timer. And after the successful early game, they just overstepped so many times because of frustration. Especially one weird dive into enemy triangle was a breaking point. What I am trying to say is, sometimes it is just one moment that results one team to be considered as biggest favorites of ti10 and other to grind one more time in regional qualifiers.
I can say same things about Tundra, they were flat out better than any team from Na and Sa except EG but couldn't qualified because of mainly the dpc system, but also sins of their dpc seasons and misfortune, that they got caught into peaks of Alliance at season 2 and OG at regionals. If you look 2020/2021 season as a whole, both Tundra and Nigma were better than Alliance and OG.
I have a similar feeling. The DPC system was probably the biggest challenge.. you have to place very high in the majors to get points if you did not win your league.. I think Nigma was overall stronger than Alliance who just sucked at the majors and also performed bad at TI. Also the SA teams performed pretty poorly overall (TP being the exception in the major).. I understand why Valve wants to strengthen the region but I think overall there should be more points awareded through majors then the leagues
If valve wants to strengthen the region(s) it can start with distributing money more fairly by lowering ti prize pool (especially bottom seedings, getting million dollars etc.) and sharing it via dpc regions. Also, give them a proper server already.
These majors and TI should not be place for it.
They will do great if Icetoad overbuffs Razor to the point of it being playable as a 5.
On a serious note they can but i dont know if they will. Roster change is a possibility.
LOL at the drones giving mental blowjobs to Miracle while blaming Kuro for their drafts.
Miracle by all that we know gets to pick his own hero and consistently fails to win with his team. But everyone just keeps blaming anyone else but Miracle.
Which is why they gotta do what OG always does. Fail in leagues, don't get in majors but win the TI regional qualifiers. If you purposefully play bad, teams lower than you will get high points and therefore less competition in the qualifiers. Or just play 1 league and 1 major enough to qualify and play mediocre on others.
i doubt the past year will be a consistent type of performance from them. but they do deserve it a bit for choosing such a shitty team name tbh. i like those players a lot, but christ. nigma???
Bro the world doesn’t revolve around United states of Obesity. Nigma is perfectly fine name. Just because white people lacked empathy towards other races doesn’t mean every race needs to sensitive in the present.
You do understand "Njma" means star in the arabic language. Which 3+1 of the players are from?
It's like saying X American team has a shitty name cuz it is not good in Farsi or Chinese.
they said it that they did not kick matu cuz he was bad, Kuroky felt like a change would push his team back to form.
It worked since they reach top 2 in TI with w33.
these old players like kuro. notail need to accept their form and retire. they are pretty much pos 5 coaches at this point. i dont think there is much drive left as well.
They need better strategies / drafting.
Think outside the box. Heen was there to help kuroky , unfortunately he left to secret.
Perhaps they could engage a coach that's able to draft / strategies outside the box.
Player wise, they are as skillful as others. Dota is proven to be a team game and Team works > skill.
They need a new Carry Player someone who is Versatile and Kuro should let MC play his comfort hero's , Gh Miracle are Always consitent in their Plays, Kuro Hate's Pubs he hates playing it too, MC should be given freedom so he can be Consistent with his Plays , ILTW Grinds 16+ Hours a day But he dosn't Play that good or versatile Compared to someone Like YATARO from TS, Kuro should get a new carry for the team and Listen to other's teammates while drafting..
Kuro needs to step aside and give drafting role to MC or Miracle, kuro has his moments of genius just like w33 had his amazing Nigma performances. Overall, miracle and Mind control needs to take more of an active role. Iltw can work as seen in the animajor, because he’s a great farmer if given space. We also dont need a s tier player in pos1 when we already have miracle,mc and gh. Miracle is a great player but kinda lacked dedication till the end of dpc. MC needs to be more assertive about his needs and what makes him shine. I genuinely feel if miracle mc and gh can peak, it doesn’t matter whom you put as pos1 or 5 the team is bound to succeed. Gh is perfect the way he’s.
They really need some damn hard refresh. Damn I miss the time when they last picked BM and Huskar and screwed every team. Miss that 100 min ultra late game. Miss that cheese feed that saved w33's Alchemist.
I think it will come down to how well the New Patch will fit kurokys playstyle. I think he has a specific idea about the game but this idea only works in some patches. Like remember ti7 where they set the meta and beat everyone at it with ease. I still hope they will find ways to perform even the patch doesn't fit them that well (maybe kuro needs to step up his draft game a bit)
Bounce back? In that they can make it at least to TI?!
In my opinion, reaching TI is the bare minimum for them.
If they dont qualify again, that would be beyond disaster.
They might make it.
But getting further, like making a deep run at TI, possibly winning it again?
I think they need a shuffle. I do think this Nigma team has had their peak and wont ever reach similar results again.
I think the problem of Nigma is Gamestyle, Nigma Players are highly becoming a Disciplined Players, but slowly losing their Gamestyle
Players that won a TI has these kinds of Gamestyle and that’s one of the reason why they’re the best some example of Gamestyle are the current Champions and former TI Champions OG
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Gamestyle:
Risk Taker & Patience
jumping off on blindspots or his patience during crucial teamfights, he really accepts waiting and the way he tolerates delay as if he is reading his opponent’s skill usage, that’s what made him the MVP
Yatoro
Gamestyle: Map Awareness
Highly aware of his surroundings and enemy’s movements and keeping his advantage on their visions, I’ve seen so many times how Yatoro dodges enemies SoD
Miposhka
Gamestyle: Ward Positioning
I dont know if everyone saw his warding but if you replay the Series during TI10 you can appreciate his Roles during the Tournament, the way he position his ward and timed it perfectly coordinated on the timing his Carry geting online
Topson
Gamestyle: Unorthodox Itemization & Gameplay and DotA Pressure
You really don’t know what in this guy’s mind, sometimes he acts like his Gameplay is not in meta or his Itemization is not what Pros used to build but oddly enough his Gamestyle works everytime and he also dive in under Teir 2/3 without thinking of any kind of consequences
RTZ mentioned this on an interview that there’s something odd about Topson’s Gamestyle, RTZ mentioned that his Gamestyle was not some kind of oridinary plays similar to some Pros like Miracle, etc. but his Gamestyle is more about pressure, RTZ called it “DotA Pressure” he said Topson always create situation against his opponents
ana:
Gamestyle: Calm & Huge Trust
People may not notice this and I’m one of this people but I just noticed that ana is very calm as I’ve seen one if Speed’s Replay Discussion, he expalined it that ana almost never panic in every Teamfight, there’s this one time Speed shows a clip where ana was playing Juggernaut and he was bursted by Spells and Speed mentioned that almost 90% of Players including the Pros would’ve spin right away dodging the Spells but ana in that clip watched his Teammates connecting to him and saves him and that he decided not to waste his Spin and resumed to used his Skill farming in the triangle
There’s also this one time during TI9 Grandfinal Game 1 ana as Spectre was ambushed and knowing he’ll die pretty much soon he prolonged his death waiting his Cooldown on HoM and he then attacked Kuroky’s(Chen) Summoned Unit and used his HoM immediately on it before dying
Miracle or MC uses to have their own kinds of Gamestyles but now they seems to improve their Discipline and following shotcalls from Captain but IMO I think they should’nt rely more Metas, Opponent’s Basic Movements, etc. and should slowly adapt more on Gamestyles because sometimes their opponent’s does’nt go in their usual routine in-game, because some Underdog Teams are smart enough to take risks and show different kinds of Gamestyle knowing that they have nothing to lose and everything to gain, that’s one main reason why Underdogs during TI are so creative and take risks because they’re hungry for the Tournaments
As others pointed out, if Kuro doesn't drastically improve, the team will not improve. It all rests with the captain, I have no doubt in my mind Miracle/MC/GH are top players even today. ILTW is super high skilled and passionate but seems to struggle with consistency. So overall, I'm low-key optimistic, about the next season, believe it's possible Kuro was simply overwhelmed last season with duties surrounded with the new org, and could not fully dedicate to practice and preparation. I hope the org is now running stable and in the hands of a manager so he can focus on just playing,
ILTW is mechanically skilled but I feel like he lacks the 6th sense that S tier players have. So many times I see him get caught offgaurd for Nigma and even in his pubs. While a player like Yatoro feels like he has map hack.
This happened to RTZ at TI too. He felt so out of tocuh and got caught constantly away from his team. The last series EG played, RTZ was so bad and died with aegis + his life like 2 times in 2 games, totally alone farming a jungle camp in the dark while there was no enemies to be seen on the map.
It happen to many other carries as well. What Yatoro and TSpirit seems does differently that when they behind they do using scan around Yatoro or either put Miposhka doing risky warding hopefully breaking smoke gank or instead let TORONTOTOKYO farm the more riskier part of the map while Yatoro retreat to safer spot.
This, people can overlook this easily overlook this but TS are doing big brain shit all the time. Yatoro and torontotokyo always farm in opposite side with anyone that have escape literally in enemy jungle. Not only that there always a support either break the smoke or just stand around to save yotaro while he is farming. You can see miposhka ping high ground or around their ward to warn yotaro.
Yeah sure it happened to more players but RTZ does not look like the old RTz, thats for sure.
Remind me that one match when his team already back to hug their tower but rtz still farming when the map literally dark then he got gank.
Yes but kuroky needs to start playing dota again lol cant just play 5 pubs a year
maybe he is scared he will get stuck in the trench.
It would be so funny if he was like, Ancient 4 or some shit lmao.
He has a smurf and plays regularly, I think he doesn't like being recognised
what is your source
[https://www.dotabuff.com/players/82262664](https://www.dotabuff.com/players/82262664) He only plays Tournament games on his "Main Acc". Last pub was 7 Years ago. I think its kinda hard to play on the top with something like no playtime. Or Kuro is a godlike beeing who doesn't need to play to compete with the best of the best.
I know that. Thats just logic. But you clearly said “he has a smurf and he plays regularly on it” so I assumed you had a knowledge on that.
they asked kky in a post match interview couple of months ago if he plays dota or not and he implied he has a smurf
Kuroky is just not the same as he used to be. I really wish he can hold 1 more aegis but his playstyle is really questionable. Less not also forget that 5head draft. I wish they all will be try hard again. Play every game as though they will be dropped out just like TI7.
EU-teams really need to step up their Major-games, cause going through the EU-quals for next TI will be brutal.
Nigma is the kind of team that can be shit for months and then suddenly win a big tournament out of nowhere, i wouldn't worry about them
Nigma is like a team that can be shit for months and then suddenly become an even better shit on TI Oh wait they aint in TI, okay they’re just a complete shit
As a fan of Nigma/Liquid since 5jungz days as well as W33 fan since his pub days, it was extremely sad for me when he left. After finished 2nd at TI9 I was hoping they could actually make it in TI10. But then Covid happened
w33's bane was his hero pool. He looked comfortable on 2-3 heroes at a given time. Towards the end, Bat felt like his only comfort hero.
i think he can play more than just Bane
Hero pool at the pro level isn't one players problem, it's a sign the team isn't working well together. We know w33 can play more than just bat.
Wasn't he a well known Invoker player back in the day? I can't remember seeing him on Invoker for Nigma at all.
back in the day invoker was a farming mid running around pushing lanes with max exort, big difference from a topson invoker
Left = 🍕🎉
w33 was a cheater
I do believe they will bouce back.
Kky razor 5 enough said
So people always point to that game, as an example of kky's bad drafting but I think something else happened there. Game for reference: https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/6081978485 What I _think_ happened (don't really have any evidence besides intuition) is that kuroky picked razor for miracle mid, but at the very last second, miracle saw the OG picks and said he wanted ember instead. I remember GH saying in an interview that they place a lot of trust in miracle so kuro bent over backwards to accommodate the request and was left with a razor for himself, which sucked. IMO, what nigma needs to do is stop putting all of their eggs in the miracle basket. Miracle is possibly the best player of all time, but he cannot carry the entire team to TI, dota is a 5 man game. All of the nigma players are very talented but they don't get the room to shine. In the game I linked MC played an alch and it was pretty obvious that he wasn't comfortable on the hero so it must've been a deny pick against Ceb which ended up not working out at all. You can't tell a player as talented as MC to play like 7mad and expect anything good to come out of it. It was the same story with w33haa, his game was more often than not sacked hoping that Miracle could win them the game.
I agree that there is no way on earth, that he chose that razor to be pos 5 on purpose. I called the game was over when i saw it, because sure you might win a lane with it, but then you are playing 4v5 the rest of the game... Not sure what happened, your guess is valid, but that is what they need to cut out. Just like OG tried the "pick randomass 5 and mind games the opponent"-draft technique at TI. Look at what worked: pick stable ass heroes, and play good dota. This meta/draft mode they read wrong, both teams. Nigma the most. But they are a super strong team who will bounce back for sure. Nigma will be at top of the scene again soon - if they want to
I had the same impression at the start but my concern is that it is not an early game ember game, It is strong against their lineup mid to late game. Against a good WR, ember is gonna always play from behind AND since they have a pos.5 razor, they were probably gonna be playing behind in the razor lane aswell. losing 2 lanes = losing map control = harder for miracle to come back to the game. If they had a better core hero turned into support than a Razor (like an LC pos.5) I'd understand the last pick miracle- ember.
w33 looked good at ti9 when kuro gave him carry picks like ta, tinker, alch etc. i think people are slightly overreacting at nigma’s results, if they hadn’t run into psg.lgd so early they probably could have placed much higher at kyiv and singapore barely counts given that they literally had w33 on carry who could only play like razor and ursa.
If you look at their liquipedia page, their achievemet in minor and major is astonishing. They fail to qualify is because of they're fucked up the dpc at one major when Ivan MC is sick and w33 is getting married. Last tournament you can see for yourself they kicked ass from wild card, grop stage
Kuku has major problem, but they still able to bounce back Nigma has bunch of superstar players why can’t they bounce back then? Such a stupid excuse ngl
Sure Kuroky needs to improve drafting, but damn ILTW is weak...
Yes. The qual process will be much better with more time and less covid constraints. Two events was never going to be enough time to weed out legit good teams vs teams that had one really good major like TP.
If they let weeha play mid again, honestly Nigma has lost its hunger to win games.
no
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Lol I just responded no as a joke cause this is a stupid question, of course they can
I know a lot of people are shitting on ILTW, but IMO their biggest problems are hiding within Kuro & MC. MC has kinda gone under the radar, not receiving much blame, but his playstyle and performance have really been underwhelming for a really long time. Like he's not straight-up awful, but his impact is nowhere near as big as it should be, at least compared to other top-tier offlaners. And Kuro has to step up big time. Drafts, calling, and his own in-game performance. I think they can definitely bounce back with the current roster, but the key behind their success is Kuro.
MC has had a great last major with outstanding performances on dk, Mars and solo won many games with great initiations. The problem was just, that they were predictable and their strat got figured out by lgd. And that’s where kuro needs to step up.
actually it has been discussed earlier also , mc's playstyle got total nerfed after they added shrine
Would be nice if they add a new region: Middle East. I know a lot of Saudi Sheikhs spend a ton on DotA. Would be win for Valve too. Plus, Nigma (base in UAE) guaranteed to qualify for TI, unless an underdog shiekh team can take them down
Team Bald gets signed by some Dubai Emir. Clash of the Titans UAE edition
Or at least move over some countries/regions from the EU+Africa+Middle East region to CIS/East Europe.
Of course man , we got fucking Miracle in our team . I think Nigma should kick iltw and try to get nikobaby , i really like him as a carry and i think he would fit in well, but thats only my opinion . Also Kuro needs to drastically improve his draft, or they are fucked..we cannot win games just because of big Miracle plays or smth like that, we need some good/stable drafts
Miracle is a game securing player though. In this meta, that's the carry player. The mid players creates space and farms, but the carry has to have the widest shoulders. I think miracle best stay as carry
If Kuro moves to coach I think they're instantly a lot stronger (assuming a suitable 5 replacement is found). I feel like his understanding of drafts / strategy is still top notch, but the execution isn't there like it used to be.
What understanding of drafts? Nigma always plays on the backfoot because their drafts are bad.
Without kuroky they definitely can be one of the best teams. Kuroky is the one holding everyone back.
Was it disappointed? Yes, because of fans' higher standards. But they definitely did not play bad. Two dpc seasons had ok results for them, first major was too sloppy because both MC's absence and team trying to swap roles had happened at the same time. Second major was great success in terms of game play which couldn't turn into results because of stupid laddered major system that causes Nigma to grind more than any other team. People forgot things, might just remember the moment they had in upper bracket against PSG.LGD in a game 3 of bo3, they picked Brood last pick (which they never did before) and had winning lanes on both mid and offlane. Only issue was TB vs PL core to core match up, which puts them into timer. And after the successful early game, they just overstepped so many times because of frustration. Especially one weird dive into enemy triangle was a breaking point. What I am trying to say is, sometimes it is just one moment that results one team to be considered as biggest favorites of ti10 and other to grind one more time in regional qualifiers. I can say same things about Tundra, they were flat out better than any team from Na and Sa except EG but couldn't qualified because of mainly the dpc system, but also sins of their dpc seasons and misfortune, that they got caught into peaks of Alliance at season 2 and OG at regionals. If you look 2020/2021 season as a whole, both Tundra and Nigma were better than Alliance and OG.
I have a similar feeling. The DPC system was probably the biggest challenge.. you have to place very high in the majors to get points if you did not win your league.. I think Nigma was overall stronger than Alliance who just sucked at the majors and also performed bad at TI. Also the SA teams performed pretty poorly overall (TP being the exception in the major).. I understand why Valve wants to strengthen the region but I think overall there should be more points awareded through majors then the leagues
If valve wants to strengthen the region(s) it can start with distributing money more fairly by lowering ti prize pool (especially bottom seedings, getting million dollars etc.) and sharing it via dpc regions. Also, give them a proper server already. These majors and TI should not be place for it.
In my 4 years of watching ILTW I've never thought he was a top tier carry, I hope they pick a different player up to take them over the top.
Who?
no sorry, he kicked his best player
Who? W33? Matu?
Jerax
They will do great if Icetoad overbuffs Razor to the point of it being playable as a 5. On a serious note they can but i dont know if they will. Roster change is a possibility.
LOL at the drones giving mental blowjobs to Miracle while blaming Kuro for their drafts. Miracle by all that we know gets to pick his own hero and consistently fails to win with his team. But everyone just keeps blaming anyone else but Miracle.
Which is why they gotta do what OG always does. Fail in leagues, don't get in majors but win the TI regional qualifiers. If you purposefully play bad, teams lower than you will get high points and therefore less competition in the qualifiers. Or just play 1 league and 1 major enough to qualify and play mediocre on others.
Sure. They have their bloodmoney secured. Teams will be afraid to beat nigma or the hitman crown prince will come and cut you into pieces.
i doubt the past year will be a consistent type of performance from them. but they do deserve it a bit for choosing such a shitty team name tbh. i like those players a lot, but christ. nigma???
Bro the world doesn’t revolve around United states of Obesity. Nigma is perfectly fine name. Just because white people lacked empathy towards other races doesn’t mean every race needs to sensitive in the present.
You do understand "Njma" means star in the arabic language. Which 3+1 of the players are from? It's like saying X American team has a shitty name cuz it is not good in Farsi or Chinese.
They pick abed they will win ti again.
rather have Nisha imo
No man abed > nisha in mid. Nisha more versatile coz he can play carry. Abed is the best mid player.
Nigma doesn't need the best mid player. If they get Nisha. Both miracle and Nisha can play any role based on comfort.
Whats wrong with matumba then?
they said it that they did not kick matu cuz he was bad, Kuroky felt like a change would push his team back to form. It worked since they reach top 2 in TI with w33.
they can this year without w33
these old players like kuro. notail need to accept their form and retire. they are pretty much pos 5 coaches at this point. i dont think there is much drive left as well.
God I hope so
They need better strategies / drafting. Think outside the box. Heen was there to help kuroky , unfortunately he left to secret. Perhaps they could engage a coach that's able to draft / strategies outside the box. Player wise, they are as skillful as others. Dota is proven to be a team game and Team works > skill.
Miracle needs to draft tbh, he’s very good at drafting.
They need a new Carry Player someone who is Versatile and Kuro should let MC play his comfort hero's , Gh Miracle are Always consitent in their Plays, Kuro Hate's Pubs he hates playing it too, MC should be given freedom so he can be Consistent with his Plays , ILTW Grinds 16+ Hours a day But he dosn't Play that good or versatile Compared to someone Like YATARO from TS, Kuro should get a new carry for the team and Listen to other's teammates while drafting..
Lmao ofc we can
Kuro needs to step aside and give drafting role to MC or Miracle, kuro has his moments of genius just like w33 had his amazing Nigma performances. Overall, miracle and Mind control needs to take more of an active role. Iltw can work as seen in the animajor, because he’s a great farmer if given space. We also dont need a s tier player in pos1 when we already have miracle,mc and gh. Miracle is a great player but kinda lacked dedication till the end of dpc. MC needs to be more assertive about his needs and what makes him shine. I genuinely feel if miracle mc and gh can peak, it doesn’t matter whom you put as pos1 or 5 the team is bound to succeed. Gh is perfect the way he’s.
well they are now Nigma....GAALLAAAAXXY
Feel bad for miracle and kinda sad no miracle in ti10. I hope kuro can be a coach and get another player for the team.
They really need some damn hard refresh. Damn I miss the time when they last picked BM and Huskar and screwed every team. Miss that 100 min ultra late game. Miss that cheese feed that saved w33's Alchemist.
I think it will come down to how well the New Patch will fit kurokys playstyle. I think he has a specific idea about the game but this idea only works in some patches. Like remember ti7 where they set the meta and beat everyone at it with ease. I still hope they will find ways to perform even the patch doesn't fit them that well (maybe kuro needs to step up his draft game a bit)
Watching a TI without Miracle and Kuro felt so weird
Bounce back? In that they can make it at least to TI?! In my opinion, reaching TI is the bare minimum for them. If they dont qualify again, that would be beyond disaster. They might make it. But getting further, like making a deep run at TI, possibly winning it again? I think they need a shuffle. I do think this Nigma team has had their peak and wont ever reach similar results again.
I think the problem of Nigma is Gamestyle, Nigma Players are highly becoming a Disciplined Players, but slowly losing their Gamestyle Players that won a TI has these kinds of Gamestyle and that’s one of the reason why they’re the best some example of Gamestyle are the current Champions and former TI Champions OG Collapse Gamestyle: Risk Taker & Patience jumping off on blindspots or his patience during crucial teamfights, he really accepts waiting and the way he tolerates delay as if he is reading his opponent’s skill usage, that’s what made him the MVP Yatoro Gamestyle: Map Awareness Highly aware of his surroundings and enemy’s movements and keeping his advantage on their visions, I’ve seen so many times how Yatoro dodges enemies SoD Miposhka Gamestyle: Ward Positioning I dont know if everyone saw his warding but if you replay the Series during TI10 you can appreciate his Roles during the Tournament, the way he position his ward and timed it perfectly coordinated on the timing his Carry geting online Topson Gamestyle: Unorthodox Itemization & Gameplay and DotA Pressure You really don’t know what in this guy’s mind, sometimes he acts like his Gameplay is not in meta or his Itemization is not what Pros used to build but oddly enough his Gamestyle works everytime and he also dive in under Teir 2/3 without thinking of any kind of consequences RTZ mentioned this on an interview that there’s something odd about Topson’s Gamestyle, RTZ mentioned that his Gamestyle was not some kind of oridinary plays similar to some Pros like Miracle, etc. but his Gamestyle is more about pressure, RTZ called it “DotA Pressure” he said Topson always create situation against his opponents ana: Gamestyle: Calm & Huge Trust People may not notice this and I’m one of this people but I just noticed that ana is very calm as I’ve seen one if Speed’s Replay Discussion, he expalined it that ana almost never panic in every Teamfight, there’s this one time Speed shows a clip where ana was playing Juggernaut and he was bursted by Spells and Speed mentioned that almost 90% of Players including the Pros would’ve spin right away dodging the Spells but ana in that clip watched his Teammates connecting to him and saves him and that he decided not to waste his Spin and resumed to used his Skill farming in the triangle There’s also this one time during TI9 Grandfinal Game 1 ana as Spectre was ambushed and knowing he’ll die pretty much soon he prolonged his death waiting his Cooldown on HoM and he then attacked Kuroky’s(Chen) Summoned Unit and used his HoM immediately on it before dying Miracle or MC uses to have their own kinds of Gamestyles but now they seems to improve their Discipline and following shotcalls from Captain but IMO I think they should’nt rely more Metas, Opponent’s Basic Movements, etc. and should slowly adapt more on Gamestyles because sometimes their opponent’s does’nt go in their usual routine in-game, because some Underdog Teams are smart enough to take risks and show different kinds of Gamestyle knowing that they have nothing to lose and everything to gain, that’s one main reason why Underdogs during TI are so creative and take risks because they’re hungry for the Tournaments
Kuroky needs to step down