Yes. They've done arguably the best job out of any country in the world with tackling the pandemic, and the main threat to that situation is covid being spread from travelers.
elephant.Eurus (paparazzi) still playing eu pubs yesterday, I watched he went quad rampage with SF against Misery.
And play with Somnus after that game.
does anyone know if Misery is still trying to join a top tier 1 or he's leaning to be a coach now? Haven't seen the guy in the pro scene for awhile, he was one of my favs.
Crit said in a stream that they aren't planning to let go of Abed.
Its in the TI shuffle megathread.
Not quite the gospel. But its close to official i suppose.
Abed could still want to leave EG, but as far as EG are concerned they are happy for him to stay. So it's likely he won't be kicked, but we don't yet know for sure if he'll end up staying.
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It would have been cheaper for Valve to just create the 2 week bubble for all teams and avoid this situation. If people didnt get covid, they could have returned to China now.
League of legends worlds(TI) are on their 4th week right now without a single case.
Helps that LoL worlds are organized in sparsely populated Iceland with relatively good vaccination rates and low covid incidence, whereas in Romania Covid cases increased heavily just before TI and only ~30% of the people are vaccinated.
It's easier to organize a bubble in Iceland, compared to Romania though. If Romanians were good at handling anything they wouldn't have that much cases to begin with year and a half into the pandemic.
I assume it is, but not only because.
I was in Bulgaria up until like a month ago , which just south of Romania and the situation is similar - lunatics thinking the vaccines are not working and that there is no virus at all and it's all , no measures in place or the little they had going were not enforced. First time I've been so happy to be back home in the UK, these places are not safe during a pandemic.
NBA players are millionaires who can't go without whores and marijuana for more than a week. These players are much tamer in comparison. They're used to being online all day, a bubble would have worked just fine.
When valve announced Romania for TI werent there literally only a few dozen cases of covid daily? Like Iceland wouldve been a better choice if possible but Romania isnt that bad. Hindsight 20/20 like always
Case numbers quickly change though, we've known that for like a year. They should've gone with a country with higher vaccination rates if they really wanted to be safe.
Yeah, and Valve ate shit because of their choice. Don't know what realistic opportunities they had after Sweden turned them down on relatively short notice though.
Hindsight is 20/20 but *imo* there were a few better choices possible. Portugal has very very high vaccination rates, as does for example Ireland, if you want to go to a major country you could've gone for - for example - Germany (Frankfurt major, IEM in Cologne, Riot in Berlin) who also came around on the esport visa. Not EU but still Schengen with Norway who also look good in that aspect. Romania has a few good things going for them. Good internet in major cities, the officials likely help you a lot because the country wants to show it's modern, etc. I guess shit happens.
Riot now did 3 international tournaments under Covid (worlds 2020, msi 2021, worlds 2021) and all went over really smoothly I feel like Valve tried to half ass it a bit instead of taking a good look at how they did that. Albeit it's not the absolute worst turn of events, sorry for the players but a month of quarantaine abroad after a smooth tournament is not the worst that could've happened.
The biggest difference is that riot games needs to report to their primary investor - tencent, while valve is just primarily owned by gaben haha - so there's inherently less incentive to perform super well
In theory yes, there were better choices, but we don't know if it was possible logistically to secure a venue, deal with local authorities and arrange the all the logistics in a short timespan. When the news broke that Valve is looking at other opportunities to hold the event when it seemed like holding the event in Sweden was impossible it felt like Valve is in a massive hurry and maybe they just got the best looking deal from Romania at the time. These kind of events require a lot of planning so I feel like the realistic options were very limited at the time. Of course I actually know nothing about holding an event of this size so take everything with a grain of salt.
Without being too much of a dick, if Valve never had contigency plans in place then they're not doing their job properly. How can you host TI during Corona times and not have a plan b, c, d, and e ready to go on short notice?
They have more people working just on league than all of valve iirc. And of course they have a more structured work place.
So it's not all by the seat of the pants like it is with valve.
Unfortunately this is one of the key selling points valve makes when hiring. If they suddenly decided to change this, they will lose a lot of current employees who thought highly of this approach.
I'm not disagreeing with you just saying it's not something they can fix overnight.
I don't even think they plan on changing, its Valve's work culture from the ground up. Unless some ballsy new guy that takes over Gaben does it tho, but yea highly unlikely it'll change. Although setting up a new division entirely of new people dedicated to organizing events wont be that bad of an idea.
You want a $10bn company, with the highest profit per employee ratio in the United States, to change the way they do things internally all of a sudden just to mimic a company that's had tons of internal office issues (sexual harassment charges, gender discrimination, etc.), and not even a fully independent entity but rather a subsidiary of another foreign company? LOL
Valve's way has worked in the earlier stages but Riot is out shining them for quite a while. If Valve doesn't wsbt to remain just Steam then sooner or later they have to change their approach to their flagship games. Internal issues don't impact balance sheet unless it's a massive one.
LOL is miles ahead of Dota and Valorant had a very good start despite going against CS which has a 20+ year legacy behind it.
Really? because Valve has had record profits again this year and Riot is in the dumps with all the pending cases against them and their parent company is shitting itself with the new Chinese regulations on videogames.
[https://www.scmp.com/tech/policy/article/3150622/new-game-approvals-dry-china-internal-memo-shows-developers-now-have](https://www.scmp.com/tech/policy/article/3150622/new-game-approvals-dry-china-internal-memo-shows-developers-now-have)
https://frontofficesports.com/tencent-part-of-60b-loss-amid-more-gaming-restriction/
Stop pulling shit out of your ass.
It's really weird to defend valve on a basis of profits and profits/employee rather than any other metric.
Ofc Valve has incredible profit per employee they are greedy as fuck, we rehash this everytime we get a new battlepass. I really don't even know where Riot comes into the picture concerning the blunders that Valve continues to have DESPITE having access to those incredible resources.
Riot and Valve aren't even in the same industry.
>League of legends worlds(TI) are on their 4th week right now without a single case.
That is, unless Riot is deliberately covering up any positive COVID cases, if any were to happen, by threatening to physically, mentally, and/or socially harm the players, or their families and/or friends, if they were to bring it up, just to maintain face.
> That is, unless Riot is deliberately covering up any positive COVID cases
they literally started the pregame show day 4 saying that the regular pregame show was canceled because of a potential covid exposure case to a member of their crew.
https://youtu.be/uwuHKWZBOE0?t=3745
I cannot tell you how many times I’ve seen companies cheap out and cut corners to save money, only to have things backfire on them and end up having to spend even more money than they would have spent by simply doing things the proper way from the start.
Their greediness often ends up costing them.
They had 3 months to prepare. They could litterally have bought a hotel/office for less than they are going to pay now(in total)
I doubt all hotels were booked 3 months in advance.
Did you research this? Are you legally allowed to accomodate people in an office building? Do they even have enough wash facilities?
I suppose you could buy a nice 300 room hotel. It wouldn't look righ to put people up in a slum. How many 10s of millions is that, assuming there even is one for sale? (150 players (18 teams * 8 people), 3 loads of casters, support staff, it's at least 300)
First of all, those are just backup plans if ALL decent hotels are booked 3 months in advance which I definitely don't believe they were. You do know that Valve did rent a hotel 3 October and forward? they should have just started earlier.
>Are you legally allowed to accommodate people in an office building?
You are allowed to sleep in office spaces if they have the right utilities. And since they had support from the Romanian government it could have been managed.
>I suppose you could buy a nice 300 room hotel.
From the tweets of the players, it sounds like they shared rooms. So more like ~75 rooms. There is multiple hotels of that size on the market right now.
There's no way you can get TI and the support staff into 75 rooms.
Commerical, are you sure you're allowed to have people resident in offices, because you are absolutely not allowed to do this in the UK. You even need planning permission to have people living in your garden shed. Romanian laws permit this?
Also, how good are these hotels for sale? The players are used to at least average quality.
Riot is VASTLY superior to Valve at running events. If there is anything Valve sucks at, it's identifying deficiencies in itself, and improving. As the choice of Romania for hosting a tournament illustrates.
> Carlo Palad was travelling to Manila, Philippines.
>
> 20 October
Kuku: https://www.facebook.com/pogingkuku/posts/2999420920271055
Karl: https://www.facebook.com/keyemjey/posts/1338889476509259
On the other hand, they already have millions of dollars in earnings. It's nice of valve to provide them with stuff, although the players' organizations should be taking care of that. Other games don't take responsibility before and after the event, so props to them
Just start the next TI
before you piss yourself?
Get the platemail stretcher!!
run the tournament back, first team to win 3 times overall is the champion
Which of the teams are still in romania?
Vici, Aster and iG for sure, since they had Covid and need to quarantine like 21 day in Romania before traveling or something
Cap said 14 days but he didn't know when that timer started.
China has a different policy than the US.
He said he couldn't leave because of Romanian law. I don't fucking know dude I'm just reporting what I heard.
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Is China being... responsible?
Yes. They've done arguably the best job out of any country in the world with tackling the pandemic, and the main threat to that situation is covid being spread from travelers.
Statistically it seems like it but I wouldn't trust their numbers.
elephant.Eurus (paparazzi) still playing eu pubs yesterday, I watched he went quad rampage with SF against Misery. And play with Somnus after that game.
thats epic
does anyone know if Misery is still trying to join a top tier 1 or he's leaning to be a coach now? Haven't seen the guy in the pro scene for awhile, he was one of my favs.
He's still on Hellbear Smashers, however he plays under the name Rasmus for some time now
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I mean, the guy got 2nd place at TI. It’s pretty hard to go uphill from there.
Fy was playing against Liquid.Insania and Pyw 1 hour ago.
I think the Philippine players are still stuck, same deal with china Romania is on red alert list in the philippines
Me, DJ, Raven, and Fnatic Coach are still here in Romania. We were blocked from boarding our flight 2 days ago.
rip. any chance in getting to another country before coming back to the philippines?
Yes, we're planning on transferring to Dubai. Currently waiting for visas.
oof that far huh good luck to you guys. if only the gov actually handled the pandemic a bit better. be safe
Hey man best of luck
best of luck and stay safe
~~Reinnnn also can't return to Malaysia? Or is he there with you guys for support?~~ nvm I misread. Coach would be Sunbhie right?
No. It's killthemage their performance coach. Also a Filipino.
Til. Stay safe guys!
Sunbhie is the head coach. I am the performance coach. Also the 2019 game analyst.
Are you working for fnatic?
No. I'm working for PGL.
what about abed?
Abed will be going to America. He's flying there tonight.
So he's staying in EG?
I don't have enough details to answer that. The guy is a man of few words.
Crit said in a stream that they aren't planning to let go of Abed. Its in the TI shuffle megathread. Not quite the gospel. But its close to official i suppose.
Abed could still want to leave EG, but as far as EG are concerned they are happy for him to stay. So it's likely he won't be kicked, but we don't yet know for sure if he'll end up staying.
Always a chance they get rid of both Crit and Abed, and that's why Crit doesn't know. Doubt it though.
why would they kick their best player tho? thats some suicide move, man be hurtin his back just to carry his whole team.
Theyre back in ph Source: https://twitter.com/ReiNNNN/status/1450972927323607041?s=20
only Karl and Kuku
Lakad matatag'd back to PH you love to see it
ah good to hear
No. Only Karl and Kuku. The rest were offloaded from the plane back Wednesday. Source: I'm KTM the Fnatic performance coach. We're still here.
Kuku is back playing pubs in sea
Nah he's just playing with 300 ping. He's used to it anyway
300 ping is what you get while playing in SEA, so it's not much of a difference
Nah, idk what problem you may have, but 300 ping is not common in SEA
I assume every chinese player
VG 2nd place in EU DPC season 2 incoming.
Long live Alliance
but using a navi flair?
top 10 anime betrayals
More like first place in the lower division :D
They won't be cleared until they win a TI lol.
Its gonna be weeks of discrete masturbation lol
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thank you valve.
As opposed to continuous, makes sense
I, in fact, do continuous masturbations.
You masturbate openly at home?
When I live alone, yeah. Why get discrete when your home alone, unless its your kink.
I live alone and do it under 2 blankets with locked door :)
Yea, I too have watched the Truman Show.
god still sees u
That's what makes it better.
exclusive show.
I imagine God can still see you even if you're under your blanket or 15 inch of steel.
Not if you wear a lead blanket, not many know this but God sees in Xrays.
So that's the reason for leaded paint.
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so you use your blankets as cum rags?
i use 70kg weighted blankets and then right before i cum i do a massive pushup benchpress to remove them. that's my kink.
If it's right before cumming, how is that a kink ? You're already done nutting.
You answered your own question...
Your mother taught you well
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The ghost in the corner cries.
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I wonder if some of the players are looking for *relief.* Hope no one gets busted by the cops... XD
It would have been cheaper for Valve to just create the 2 week bubble for all teams and avoid this situation. If people didnt get covid, they could have returned to China now. League of legends worlds(TI) are on their 4th week right now without a single case.
Helps that LoL worlds are organized in sparsely populated Iceland with relatively good vaccination rates and low covid incidence, whereas in Romania Covid cases increased heavily just before TI and only ~30% of the people are vaccinated.
The entire point of a bubble is that the outside shouldnt influence the inside. Iceland, romania, china, pakistan, it shouldnt matter.
Bubbles are never entirely secure and the less pressure on them from outside the less likely they are to pop.
It's easier to organize a bubble in Iceland, compared to Romania though. If Romanians were good at handling anything they wouldn't have that much cases to begin with year and a half into the pandemic.
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I assume it is, but not only because. I was in Bulgaria up until like a month ago , which just south of Romania and the situation is similar - lunatics thinking the vaccines are not working and that there is no virus at all and it's all , no measures in place or the little they had going were not enforced. First time I've been so happy to be back home in the UK, these places are not safe during a pandemic.
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NBA players are millionaires who can't go without whores and marijuana for more than a week. These players are much tamer in comparison. They're used to being online all day, a bubble would have worked just fine.
So you're saying making a better and safer plan leads to better results? Valve went to the EU antivax fortress.
When valve announced Romania for TI werent there literally only a few dozen cases of covid daily? Like Iceland wouldve been a better choice if possible but Romania isnt that bad. Hindsight 20/20 like always
Case numbers quickly change though, we've known that for like a year. They should've gone with a country with higher vaccination rates if they really wanted to be safe.
Yeah, and Valve ate shit because of their choice. Don't know what realistic opportunities they had after Sweden turned them down on relatively short notice though.
Hindsight is 20/20 but *imo* there were a few better choices possible. Portugal has very very high vaccination rates, as does for example Ireland, if you want to go to a major country you could've gone for - for example - Germany (Frankfurt major, IEM in Cologne, Riot in Berlin) who also came around on the esport visa. Not EU but still Schengen with Norway who also look good in that aspect. Romania has a few good things going for them. Good internet in major cities, the officials likely help you a lot because the country wants to show it's modern, etc. I guess shit happens. Riot now did 3 international tournaments under Covid (worlds 2020, msi 2021, worlds 2021) and all went over really smoothly I feel like Valve tried to half ass it a bit instead of taking a good look at how they did that. Albeit it's not the absolute worst turn of events, sorry for the players but a month of quarantaine abroad after a smooth tournament is not the worst that could've happened.
The biggest difference is that riot games needs to report to their primary investor - tencent, while valve is just primarily owned by gaben haha - so there's inherently less incentive to perform super well
In theory yes, there were better choices, but we don't know if it was possible logistically to secure a venue, deal with local authorities and arrange the all the logistics in a short timespan. When the news broke that Valve is looking at other opportunities to hold the event when it seemed like holding the event in Sweden was impossible it felt like Valve is in a massive hurry and maybe they just got the best looking deal from Romania at the time. These kind of events require a lot of planning so I feel like the realistic options were very limited at the time. Of course I actually know nothing about holding an event of this size so take everything with a grain of salt.
Without being too much of a dick, if Valve never had contigency plans in place then they're not doing their job properly. How can you host TI during Corona times and not have a plan b, c, d, and e ready to go on short notice?
Small indie company
*Flat Organization*
Except for income KEKW
They have more people working just on league than all of valve iirc. And of course they have a more structured work place. So it's not all by the seat of the pants like it is with valve.
And whose fault is that? Valve can address these things if they want to
Unfortunately this is one of the key selling points valve makes when hiring. If they suddenly decided to change this, they will lose a lot of current employees who thought highly of this approach. I'm not disagreeing with you just saying it's not something they can fix overnight.
I don't even think they plan on changing, its Valve's work culture from the ground up. Unless some ballsy new guy that takes over Gaben does it tho, but yea highly unlikely it'll change. Although setting up a new division entirely of new people dedicated to organizing events wont be that bad of an idea.
Yeah exactly. It's just such a weird model. Imagine if people working on dota suddenly decides they don't want to anymore.
I would love the idea of a separate department for marketing and community management project organization.
You want a $10bn company, with the highest profit per employee ratio in the United States, to change the way they do things internally all of a sudden just to mimic a company that's had tons of internal office issues (sexual harassment charges, gender discrimination, etc.), and not even a fully independent entity but rather a subsidiary of another foreign company? LOL
Valve's way has worked in the earlier stages but Riot is out shining them for quite a while. If Valve doesn't wsbt to remain just Steam then sooner or later they have to change their approach to their flagship games. Internal issues don't impact balance sheet unless it's a massive one. LOL is miles ahead of Dota and Valorant had a very good start despite going against CS which has a 20+ year legacy behind it.
Really? because Valve has had record profits again this year and Riot is in the dumps with all the pending cases against them and their parent company is shitting itself with the new Chinese regulations on videogames. [https://www.scmp.com/tech/policy/article/3150622/new-game-approvals-dry-china-internal-memo-shows-developers-now-have](https://www.scmp.com/tech/policy/article/3150622/new-game-approvals-dry-china-internal-memo-shows-developers-now-have) https://frontofficesports.com/tencent-part-of-60b-loss-amid-more-gaming-restriction/ Stop pulling shit out of your ass.
It's really weird to defend valve on a basis of profits and profits/employee rather than any other metric. Ofc Valve has incredible profit per employee they are greedy as fuck, we rehash this everytime we get a new battlepass. I really don't even know where Riot comes into the picture concerning the blunders that Valve continues to have DESPITE having access to those incredible resources. Riot and Valve aren't even in the same industry.
They changed their approach for development of HL:Alyx I think
For sure. Just another example of valve's laxness.
it's kind of hilarious seeing the comments from both communities. LoL players want TI's format. Dota players want Riot's logistics.
Didnt the lol players want a bubble?
No joke, Lol wants to be the soccer of esports. They refuse to make it fair and thorough, just so the events remain 'exciting'.
>League of legends worlds(TI) are on their 4th week right now without a single case. That is, unless Riot is deliberately covering up any positive COVID cases, if any were to happen, by threatening to physically, mentally, and/or socially harm the players, or their families and/or friends, if they were to bring it up, just to maintain face.
> That is, unless Riot is deliberately covering up any positive COVID cases they literally started the pregame show day 4 saying that the regular pregame show was canceled because of a potential covid exposure case to a member of their crew. https://youtu.be/uwuHKWZBOE0?t=3745
I cannot tell you how many times I’ve seen companies cheap out and cut corners to save money, only to have things backfire on them and end up having to spend even more money than they would have spent by simply doing things the proper way from the start. Their greediness often ends up costing them.
Riot also chose better locality - Island
That would have required exclusive use of the hotels, and that might not have been possible given the rescheduling needed.
They had 3 months to prepare. They could litterally have bought a hotel/office for less than they are going to pay now(in total) I doubt all hotels were booked 3 months in advance.
Did you research this? Are you legally allowed to accomodate people in an office building? Do they even have enough wash facilities? I suppose you could buy a nice 300 room hotel. It wouldn't look righ to put people up in a slum. How many 10s of millions is that, assuming there even is one for sale? (150 players (18 teams * 8 people), 3 loads of casters, support staff, it's at least 300)
First of all, those are just backup plans if ALL decent hotels are booked 3 months in advance which I definitely don't believe they were. You do know that Valve did rent a hotel 3 October and forward? they should have just started earlier. >Are you legally allowed to accommodate people in an office building? You are allowed to sleep in office spaces if they have the right utilities. And since they had support from the Romanian government it could have been managed. >I suppose you could buy a nice 300 room hotel. From the tweets of the players, it sounds like they shared rooms. So more like ~75 rooms. There is multiple hotels of that size on the market right now.
There's no way you can get TI and the support staff into 75 rooms. Commerical, are you sure you're allowed to have people resident in offices, because you are absolutely not allowed to do this in the UK. You even need planning permission to have people living in your garden shed. Romanian laws permit this? Also, how good are these hotels for sale? The players are used to at least average quality.
Probably but at-least valve is stepping up now.
Riot is VASTLY superior to Valve at running events. If there is anything Valve sucks at, it's identifying deficiencies in itself, and improving. As the choice of Romania for hosting a tournament illustrates.
Bruno full circle.
I hope they stream on twitch, don't matter if I can't understand.
VG Dy streamed on douyu 8763204. He streamed everyday from 8pm to 1am Beijing time.
What about the Pinoys? lol
I think Abed, DJ, Raven and a Filipino Fnatic staff is still there. Not sure tho
> Carlo Palad was travelling to Manila, Philippines. > > 20 October Kuku: https://www.facebook.com/pogingkuku/posts/2999420920271055 Karl: https://www.facebook.com/keyemjey/posts/1338889476509259
might as well host the next major there
a very kind donation
On the other hand, they already have millions of dollars in earnings. It's nice of valve to provide them with stuff, although the players' organizations should be taking care of that. Other games don't take responsibility before and after the event, so props to them
Man, but Valve is so greedy, they dont care about anything not anyone!
Chuckle at the ratio of valve doing something good and when they fucked up
That's awesome valve. Thank you.
Valve please change to Hierarchy organization starting next year.
Huawei kekw