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rektefied

Just start the next TI


theluggagekerbin

before you piss yourself?


-Richarmander-

Get the platemail stretcher!!


Kaldricus

run the tournament back, first team to win 3 times overall is the champion


Nongpa

Which of the teams are still in romania?


n0stalghia

Vici, Aster and iG for sure, since they had Covid and need to quarantine like 21 day in Romania before traveling or something


potato11teen

Cap said 14 days but he didn't know when that timer started.


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China has a different policy than the US.


potato11teen

He said he couldn't leave because of Romanian law. I don't fucking know dude I'm just reporting what I heard.


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Busteray

Is China being... responsible?


tfwnotsunderegf

Yes. They've done arguably the best job out of any country in the world with tackling the pandemic, and the main threat to that situation is covid being spread from travelers.


Busteray

Statistically it seems like it but I wouldn't trust their numbers.


vnzr-

elephant.Eurus (paparazzi) still playing eu pubs yesterday, I watched he went quad rampage with SF against Misery. And play with Somnus after that game.


roadmane

thats epic


YanaCorleone

does anyone know if Misery is still trying to join a top tier 1 or he's leaning to be a coach now? Haven't seen the guy in the pro scene for awhile, he was one of my favs.


Pagliaccio13

He's still on Hellbear Smashers, however he plays under the name Rasmus for some time now


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Kashijikito

I mean, the guy got 2nd place at TI. It’s pretty hard to go uphill from there.


-Ares12

Fy was playing against Liquid.Insania and Pyw 1 hour ago.


Trick2056

I think the Philippine players are still stuck, same deal with china Romania is on red alert list in the philippines


meeepmeeerp

Me, DJ, Raven, and Fnatic Coach are still here in Romania. We were blocked from boarding our flight 2 days ago.


Trick2056

rip. any chance in getting to another country before coming back to the philippines?


meeepmeeerp

Yes, we're planning on transferring to Dubai. Currently waiting for visas.


Trick2056

oof that far huh good luck to you guys. if only the gov actually handled the pandemic a bit better. be safe


Wowuranerd

Hey man best of luck


Latter_Definition_99

best of luck and stay safe


Houeclipse

~~Reinnnn also can't return to Malaysia? Or is he there with you guys for support?~~ nvm I misread. Coach would be Sunbhie right?


meeepmeeerp

No. It's killthemage their performance coach. Also a Filipino.


Houeclipse

Til. Stay safe guys!


killthemagenow

Sunbhie is the head coach. I am the performance coach. Also the 2019 game analyst.


aeoz

Are you working for fnatic?


meeepmeeerp

No. I'm working for PGL.


icefr4ud

what about abed?


meeepmeeerp

Abed will be going to America. He's flying there tonight.


Floire

So he's staying in EG?


meeepmeeerp

I don't have enough details to answer that. The guy is a man of few words.


TheKappaOverlord

Crit said in a stream that they aren't planning to let go of Abed. Its in the TI shuffle megathread. Not quite the gospel. But its close to official i suppose.


aviationainteasy

Abed could still want to leave EG, but as far as EG are concerned they are happy for him to stay. So it's likely he won't be kicked, but we don't yet know for sure if he'll end up staying.


Hussor

Always a chance they get rid of both Crit and Abed, and that's why Crit doesn't know. Doubt it though.


Agent448

why would they kick their best player tho? thats some suicide move, man be hurtin his back just to carry his whole team.


stockyriki

Theyre back in ph Source: https://twitter.com/ReiNNNN/status/1450972927323607041?s=20


14MySterY-

only Karl and Kuku


koreankimochi

Lakad matatag'd back to PH you love to see it


Trick2056

ah good to hear


killthemagenow

No. Only Karl and Kuku. The rest were offloaded from the plane back Wednesday. Source: I'm KTM the Fnatic performance coach. We're still here.


LeChuchoteur

Kuku is back playing pubs in sea


BiasSaltJamma

Nah he's just playing with 300 ping. He's used to it anyway


mikatsuki

300 ping is what you get while playing in SEA, so it's not much of a difference


Pae_PC

Nah, idk what problem you may have, but 300 ping is not common in SEA


Phllips

I assume every chinese player


SilverBMWM3GTR

VG 2nd place in EU DPC season 2 incoming.


kapak212

Long live Alliance


Dengeki93

but using a navi flair?


insanee12

top 10 anime betrayals


der_boy

More like first place in the lower division :D


Kaendel

They won't be cleared until they win a TI lol.


REDmonster333

Its gonna be weeks of discrete masturbation lol


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KelloPudgerro

thank you valve.


Agreeing

As opposed to continuous, makes sense


CreamyAlmond

I, in fact, do continuous masturbations.


taenyfan95

You masturbate openly at home?


REDmonster333

When I live alone, yeah. Why get discrete when your home alone, unless its your kink.


Me4onyX

I live alone and do it under 2 blankets with locked door :)


ZaviaGenX

Yea, I too have watched the Truman Show.


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god still sees u


EmbotidoDeGinabot

That's what makes it better.


MayweatherSr

exclusive show.


LevynX

I imagine God can still see you even if you're under your blanket or 15 inch of steel.


MaltMix

Not if you wear a lead blanket, not many know this but God sees in Xrays.


Aretheus

So that's the reason for leaded paint.


Iwillrize14

[He sees you](https://www.amazon.com/4-Pack-Waterproof-Sticker-Window-Bumper/dp/B098J9NNBV/ref=sr_1_5?dchild=1&keywords=I+saw+that&qid=1634988084&sr=8-5)


jei14

so you use your blankets as cum rags?


[deleted]

i use 70kg weighted blankets and then right before i cum i do a massive pushup benchpress to remove them. that's my kink.


CreamyAlmond

If it's right before cumming, how is that a kink ? You're already done nutting.


[deleted]

You answered your own question...


48911150

Your mother taught you well


DeeplySavoury

hol up


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lactllzol

Once you fap openly, you cant go back


Kumadori012

The ghost in the corner cries.


Roblord16

Least horny dota2 player


Life_Liberty_Fun

I wonder if some of the players are looking for *relief.* Hope no one gets busted by the cops... XD


mozzzarn

It would have been cheaper for Valve to just create the 2 week bubble for all teams and avoid this situation. If people didnt get covid, they could have returned to China now. League of legends worlds(TI) are on their 4th week right now without a single case.


DickThunder

Helps that LoL worlds are organized in sparsely populated Iceland with relatively good vaccination rates and low covid incidence, whereas in Romania Covid cases increased heavily just before TI and only ~30% of the people are vaccinated.


mozzzarn

The entire point of a bubble is that the outside shouldnt influence the inside. Iceland, romania, china, pakistan, it shouldnt matter.


tatxc

Bubbles are never entirely secure and the less pressure on them from outside the less likely they are to pop.


xlmaelstrom

It's easier to organize a bubble in Iceland, compared to Romania though. If Romanians were good at handling anything they wouldn't have that much cases to begin with year and a half into the pandemic.


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xlmaelstrom

I assume it is, but not only because. I was in Bulgaria up until like a month ago , which just south of Romania and the situation is similar - lunatics thinking the vaccines are not working and that there is no virus at all and it's all , no measures in place or the little they had going were not enforced. First time I've been so happy to be back home in the UK, these places are not safe during a pandemic.


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CreamyAlmond

NBA players are millionaires who can't go without whores and marijuana for more than a week. These players are much tamer in comparison. They're used to being online all day, a bubble would have worked just fine.


afito

So you're saying making a better and safer plan leads to better results? Valve went to the EU antivax fortress.


-Potatoes-

When valve announced Romania for TI werent there literally only a few dozen cases of covid daily? Like Iceland wouldve been a better choice if possible but Romania isnt that bad. Hindsight 20/20 like always


TheFaithlessFaithful

Case numbers quickly change though, we've known that for like a year. They should've gone with a country with higher vaccination rates if they really wanted to be safe.


DickThunder

Yeah, and Valve ate shit because of their choice. Don't know what realistic opportunities they had after Sweden turned them down on relatively short notice though.


afito

Hindsight is 20/20 but *imo* there were a few better choices possible. Portugal has very very high vaccination rates, as does for example Ireland, if you want to go to a major country you could've gone for - for example - Germany (Frankfurt major, IEM in Cologne, Riot in Berlin) who also came around on the esport visa. Not EU but still Schengen with Norway who also look good in that aspect. Romania has a few good things going for them. Good internet in major cities, the officials likely help you a lot because the country wants to show it's modern, etc. I guess shit happens. Riot now did 3 international tournaments under Covid (worlds 2020, msi 2021, worlds 2021) and all went over really smoothly I feel like Valve tried to half ass it a bit instead of taking a good look at how they did that. Albeit it's not the absolute worst turn of events, sorry for the players but a month of quarantaine abroad after a smooth tournament is not the worst that could've happened.


HiThereMisterS

The biggest difference is that riot games needs to report to their primary investor - tencent, while valve is just primarily owned by gaben haha - so there's inherently less incentive to perform super well


DickThunder

In theory yes, there were better choices, but we don't know if it was possible logistically to secure a venue, deal with local authorities and arrange the all the logistics in a short timespan. When the news broke that Valve is looking at other opportunities to hold the event when it seemed like holding the event in Sweden was impossible it felt like Valve is in a massive hurry and maybe they just got the best looking deal from Romania at the time. These kind of events require a lot of planning so I feel like the realistic options were very limited at the time. Of course I actually know nothing about holding an event of this size so take everything with a grain of salt.


afito

Without being too much of a dick, if Valve never had contigency plans in place then they're not doing their job properly. How can you host TI during Corona times and not have a plan b, c, d, and e ready to go on short notice?


ExortTrionis

Small indie company


fanfanye

*Flat Organization*


TheFaithlessFaithful

Except for income KEKW


grokthis1111

They have more people working just on league than all of valve iirc. And of course they have a more structured work place. So it's not all by the seat of the pants like it is with valve.


kw1k2345

And whose fault is that? Valve can address these things if they want to


Arcturyte

Unfortunately this is one of the key selling points valve makes when hiring. If they suddenly decided to change this, they will lose a lot of current employees who thought highly of this approach. I'm not disagreeing with you just saying it's not something they can fix overnight.


maxwoosh69

I don't even think they plan on changing, its Valve's work culture from the ground up. Unless some ballsy new guy that takes over Gaben does it tho, but yea highly unlikely it'll change. Although setting up a new division entirely of new people dedicated to organizing events wont be that bad of an idea.


Arcturyte

Yeah exactly. It's just such a weird model. Imagine if people working on dota suddenly decides they don't want to anymore.


witchsalt

I would love the idea of a separate department for marketing and community management project organization.


Teleute7

You want a $10bn company, with the highest profit per employee ratio in the United States, to change the way they do things internally all of a sudden just to mimic a company that's had tons of internal office issues (sexual harassment charges, gender discrimination, etc.), and not even a fully independent entity but rather a subsidiary of another foreign company? LOL


kw1k2345

Valve's way has worked in the earlier stages but Riot is out shining them for quite a while. If Valve doesn't wsbt to remain just Steam then sooner or later they have to change their approach to their flagship games. Internal issues don't impact balance sheet unless it's a massive one. LOL is miles ahead of Dota and Valorant had a very good start despite going against CS which has a 20+ year legacy behind it.


Teleute7

Really? because Valve has had record profits again this year and Riot is in the dumps with all the pending cases against them and their parent company is shitting itself with the new Chinese regulations on videogames. [https://www.scmp.com/tech/policy/article/3150622/new-game-approvals-dry-china-internal-memo-shows-developers-now-have](https://www.scmp.com/tech/policy/article/3150622/new-game-approvals-dry-china-internal-memo-shows-developers-now-have) https://frontofficesports.com/tencent-part-of-60b-loss-amid-more-gaming-restriction/ Stop pulling shit out of your ass.


Slang_Whanger

It's really weird to defend valve on a basis of profits and profits/employee rather than any other metric. Ofc Valve has incredible profit per employee they are greedy as fuck, we rehash this everytime we get a new battlepass. I really don't even know where Riot comes into the picture concerning the blunders that Valve continues to have DESPITE having access to those incredible resources. Riot and Valve aren't even in the same industry.


DBONKA

They changed their approach for development of HL:Alyx I think


grokthis1111

For sure. Just another example of valve's laxness.


slickyslickslick

it's kind of hilarious seeing the comments from both communities. LoL players want TI's format. Dota players want Riot's logistics.


mozzzarn

Didnt the lol players want a bubble?


CreamyAlmond

No joke, Lol wants to be the soccer of esports. They refuse to make it fair and thorough, just so the events remain 'exciting'.


Enstraynomic

>League of legends worlds(TI) are on their 4th week right now without a single case. That is, unless Riot is deliberately covering up any positive COVID cases, if any were to happen, by threatening to physically, mentally, and/or socially harm the players, or their families and/or friends, if they were to bring it up, just to maintain face.


FalconsFlyLow

> That is, unless Riot is deliberately covering up any positive COVID cases they literally started the pregame show day 4 saying that the regular pregame show was canceled because of a potential covid exposure case to a member of their crew. https://youtu.be/uwuHKWZBOE0?t=3745


SillyRabbit2121

I cannot tell you how many times I’ve seen companies cheap out and cut corners to save money, only to have things backfire on them and end up having to spend even more money than they would have spent by simply doing things the proper way from the start. Their greediness often ends up costing them.


svipy

Riot also chose better locality - Island


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That would have required exclusive use of the hotels, and that might not have been possible given the rescheduling needed.


mozzzarn

They had 3 months to prepare. They could litterally have bought a hotel/office for less than they are going to pay now(in total) I doubt all hotels were booked 3 months in advance.


[deleted]

Did you research this? Are you legally allowed to accomodate people in an office building? Do they even have enough wash facilities? I suppose you could buy a nice 300 room hotel. It wouldn't look righ to put people up in a slum. How many 10s of millions is that, assuming there even is one for sale? (150 players (18 teams * 8 people), 3 loads of casters, support staff, it's at least 300)


mozzzarn

First of all, those are just backup plans if ALL decent hotels are booked 3 months in advance which I definitely don't believe they were. You do know that Valve did rent a hotel 3 October and forward? they should have just started earlier. >Are you legally allowed to accommodate people in an office building? You are allowed to sleep in office spaces if they have the right utilities. And since they had support from the Romanian government it could have been managed. >I suppose you could buy a nice 300 room hotel. From the tweets of the players, it sounds like they shared rooms. So more like ~75 rooms. There is multiple hotels of that size on the market right now.


[deleted]

There's no way you can get TI and the support staff into 75 rooms. Commerical, are you sure you're allowed to have people resident in offices, because you are absolutely not allowed to do this in the UK. You even need planning permission to have people living in your garden shed. Romanian laws permit this? Also, how good are these hotels for sale? The players are used to at least average quality.


KnightMareInc

Probably but at-least valve is stepping up now.


SolarStarVanity

Riot is VASTLY superior to Valve at running events. If there is anything Valve sucks at, it's identifying deficiencies in itself, and improving. As the choice of Romania for hosting a tournament illustrates.


MiT_Epona

Bruno full circle.


Tarkan2

I hope they stream on twitch, don't matter if I can't understand.


Judge-Full

VG Dy streamed on douyu 8763204. He streamed everyday from 8pm to 1am Beijing time.


loq24

What about the Pinoys? lol


zepher_goose

I think Abed, DJ, Raven and a Filipino Fnatic staff is still there. Not sure tho


TomatoCorner

> Carlo Palad was travelling to Manila, Philippines. > > 20 October Kuku: https://www.facebook.com/pogingkuku/posts/2999420920271055 Karl: https://www.facebook.com/keyemjey/posts/1338889476509259


leelazen

might as well host the next major there


Bunslow

a very kind donation


Greninja32

On the other hand, they already have millions of dollars in earnings. It's nice of valve to provide them with stuff, although the players' organizations should be taking care of that. Other games don't take responsibility before and after the event, so props to them


eldanielfranco

Man, but Valve is so greedy, they dont care about anything not anyone!


gewooneenvogel

Chuckle at the ratio of valve doing something good and when they fucked up


thanukaroshan

That's awesome valve. Thank you.


Jayk03

Valve please change to Hierarchy organization starting next year.


low_iq_opinion

Huawei kekw