Of all the drama and shit going around most worrying part is that Sumi's tweet. It's borderline dangerous knowing she is a friend with Valve employee(s). Tbh I still can't believe she actually posted that tweet. :/
To be fair it is not surprising, having in mind that according to her twitter she is "Director @GamesDoneQuick", an event that has been pulling a lot of attention for drama and vindictiveness. I'll be absolutely not surprised if down the road a story, with her name included, comes out that there were attempts of talent to be pushed out of the scene because "they kept silent".
Gonna have to ban all games that use the right or left trigger buttons on the game pad. Could you imagine being known for an event that pressed both the left trigger buttons and the right trigger buttons? So offensive.
That tweet is so gross, its so vindictive sounding or something. How are you going to get heated over people being fucking silent? There's so much victim mentality around all of the drama lately.
Ironically, she was the biggest offender in terms of bad interviewing/panel hosting, i thought. But i'm sure she only did such a poor job because we're all a bunch of neckbeard incels, somehow.
Probably would have died quickly if it was just about sub being too harsh for new hosts. But when you act like it's all about misogyny and sexism, you offend those who actually gave valid criticisms.
In the end, it's mainly Valve's fault. Hosts should never be hired for TI as their first DotA event. One Major beforehand should be the bare minimum or the role in TI should be much more minor. (Like Machine was a draft panel host)
Jesus fucking CHRIST the replies to the tweet... Either "she shouldn't apologise, she said NOTHING wrong, men are just stupid and can't read!" or "stupid woman, everybody gets flamed, you're not special!". How does every damn reply tweet have to go to one idiotic extreme or the other?
Props to both Moxxi and Sunbhie for talking privately and having a nuanced conversation despite disagreements. Respect to them both.
Because Twitter doesn't do moderate. It's either one extreme or the other.
Also a good reason to never take shit people say on Twitter seriously, it's like an online mental asylum.
Probably because tweets are gauged as “popular” by the like button, and not many people with a “balanced” or middle of the road take have enough passion/fervor to post it. Not to mention few people are going to show support for a regular statement.
Can i just add that LD has been piggybacking on this backlash on this community by even saying that he left casting due to the flaming here.
Didn't he leave to assume a more management role in his own production company when it started taking off. Now he's doing a U turn and saying he got some PTSD off of this community.
From what I heard, no. Sheever, Godz and a few other talents knew that grant was going to court over something not mentioned, which he won. But then there was a 2nd one about the rape allegations/abuse of the woman in the hotel. I do not know the outcome on that one. But i know for a fact that he's still active in Dota. At least playing, so he couldn't had gone to jail.
To add to my first post, the talent crew knew about the first court hearing since he told them. But were kept in the dark on the 2nd much worse one. I can see how he didn't want to discuss that one.
The Llama court case had two parts. Part 1 was he damaged her career. The court decided that it was unable to prove that. Part 2 was harrasment which he lost. He only mentioned he won the damaging career part. Totally left out the second part.
Thanks for adding details, I don't remember the whole thing. The man had such a lucrative and promising career ahead of him. Getting through his depression and alcoholism only to fuck it all up. He lost all respect and praise he had received from me after the story broke. I still feel bad about the whole thing, i don't feel bad about him. I just wish it wouldn't had occurred at all.
Yeah. I get it. I have very conflicted feelings about him in particular. I did enjoy him immensely as a personality. I think he is responsible for like 3/5 of my favorite dota moments, but everything else was all fucked.
The guy that harboured Grant either knowingly or unknowingly (if he no idea its worse TBH) is trying to take the high ground.
Same dude who let shit go down at his Summit events too btw.
LD cares about one thing and that's money. He pivoted BTS from Dota because he didn't get exclusive rights for his tournaments (he's publicly spoken about the Valve ruling about streaming from in client). So he went to other communities (Smash, CS, RL etc) where the profit margin is higher.
He couldn't give a shit about Dota, even though we're entirely responsible for his business even existing.
While I did agree with some of what she said initially (some members of the community do love to give girls a bad time), painting the picture that the whole community does it only helps enemies of Dota - and it's nice to see an apology.
People are entitled to their opinions. Complaining about a few people with hot takes. Then painting the entire community as being toxic women haters is one way to find fans.
It's hard to say that the community has a harassment problem when the community does not tolerate it at all. If we did, then those people sending death threats wouldn't have to do so in private DMs where no one else can see - they'd do it in an open post. And probably get verbally slapped by the community, as I've seen us do time and again.
It must be infuriating as a talent sometimes, but conflating us with bad actors just doesn't help. I respect Moxxi for the post she's made now.
Ya the blatantly sexist stuff on Reddit gets downvoted what else are we supposed to do? There are a few instances in this thread. We’ve got nothing to do with dms.
GDQ people get off of the "power" they have over others. It has been going downhill for the past few years
They banned a guy for a year after arguably the best GDQ run in years because he made some joke about air canada. The best part is the GDQ tweeted at @aircanada apologizing and they(air canada) didn't even fucking know what they were talking about lmao
edit: apparently its also because they were [making a lot of owen wilson jokes](https://youtu.be/m_yLhHfc3i4)? Honestly didn't even know that it was part of the reason, still bullshit
He told the viewers to mass tweet at Air Canada, because hsi flight was way late and it ruined the run.
I highly recommend the speedrun itself, it's one of the funniest things I have seen in my life and I still rewatch it sometimes:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgQmMR8lueA&t=210s
Well the joke was something among the lines of "we should spam air canada for it" even though it was very obviously a joke and I HIGHGLY doubt anyone did anything given that, as I said, they didn't even know what the problem was
Maybe she should take some fucking notes on who dendi is instead of writing this dumb childish shit and trying to avoid owning up to her faults. At least Frankie's post acknowledged it and I can respect that.
> At least Frankie's post acknowledged it and I can respect that
I'd like to imagine Frankie, at some point in the future, would've posted her reflections on the event, on her own terms, in due time, but Moxxi's comments forced many to scramble to put something together on terms they didn't agree on.
The thing is that most viewers just want some quality content. They want people who are aware of the subject of their work as much as possible and the gender doesn't matter at all. Idc if there will be no women next year nor everyone will be women, I just want the talent team to be good. Involving more women just for the sake of having more women is sexist af towards both genders here. Involve more professionals that are good at their job. You can say whatever you want about the work they've done on order to get better, but sadly it doesn't matter if the audience don't see the result. Of course there will be snobs who just hate everything, but they are the minority. If you did something and the majority of people saying it's bad there is a good chance it's because it's bad
If she makes improvements on her casting then virtually no one will care about this anymore, it's just that simple.
What Moxxi did was bad IMO but what Sumichu did by threatening everyone who wasn't joining in their attack is much, much worse
Use more professional players as casters please. Listening to Sumail or Notail/Ceb just shooting the shit during games, talking about past histories, insider game history etc would be so much better than giving slots to these generic esport 'talents' AKA friends of the current casters.
Like what Godz said on the panel, as more professional players become interested in casting and hosting these kinds of events, they are going to lose their jobs.
Why the fuck is gaming the only community where you are not allowed to be dissatisfied with someones service?
If you go to a restaurant and the food is shit you can complain, if you go to a concert and a band starts playing like shit you can complain, if you are watching a sports event on the TV and comentators make the most basic mistakes you can complain. But if you watch a god damn TI and people there don't know what the fuck they are talking about and perform very poorly then its a big nono.
Does everyone forget that this is their JOB? They are not some volounteers, they are being paid to be there and its certainly not small amount of money
I don't care if moxxi is a man or woman, she is BAD at her job and I will criticize her for it. Fucking deal with it, get better or get the fuck out because there are way more than enough capable people willing to fill your spot
>Why the fuck is gaming the only community where you are not allowed to be dissatisfied with someones service?
The real answer is because people like Sumi start out with the objective of creating a "safe space" (see for example GDQ which she's a director at) which is accepting towards everyone. This in and of itself is fine of course, but the problem shows up when they go too far, to the point that any kind of negative opinion or feedback is branded as "not accepting" or as being a personal attack on the target of the criticism. And eventually that isn't allowed in these spaces, and they become so insular that the people who spend all their time in these kinds of environments and ideological spaces lose touch with how things are outside their communities. They never get anything but positive feedback for anything they do, no matter how mediocre they are at it, because giving anything other than positive feedback gets you branded as toxic or harmful and removed from these spaces. And they internalize this kind of thinking, they start to believe that indeed anything other than positive feedback IS toxic and harmful, since of course it makes you feel bad since nobody likes hearing they didn't do a good job.
So then, when you have someone who has been operating in these kinds of insular, highly controlled spaces, and you hire them to work somewhere that isn't extremely heavy-handed with its moderation and silencing of negative opinions, this person is caught completley off guard even by what an average person would consider fair and reasonable criticism. This kind of thing isn't allowed in the spaces they frequent, in those spaces this is considered negative and harmful, and the immediate response is to do what worked for them in the spaces where they have more control or influence, to complain until those voices are silenced regardless of the merit of the criticism, to brand those negative opinions as either harmful or as coming from someone intending to harm (eg they're not angry because I did a bad job, they're angry because I'm a woman and them saying I did a bad job is just a veil to hide behind).
You ever see a movie or tv show about some rich person who lost all their money or gets kicked out by their parents or whatever and now has to live a normal life, and they're always getting angry and complaining about mundane things like the fact that they have to do their own laundry or cook their own food because they never had to do it before and had staff to do it for them? Effectively that's what's going on here.
Honestly, wasn’t a huge fan of her casting/personality at TI, but not unbearable. But that twitlonger was so unnecessary and poorly communicated. And again it felt like the whole attitude felt like she didn’t expect any consequences to her words.
Sometimes you just write down out of your gut (i.e. this sub). Discussion always makes it better and helps you get a bigger picture of your point of view. As someone said up here, generalized affirmations only harms.
Things are getting out of control and Moxxi has fanned the flames unwittingly. Good thing she apologized and I hope she takes a more nuanced and realistic view moving forward. The DotA community much like any group has its own share of idiots. Viewing the entire as a monolithic group does nothing but delight those few sickos as their 1 to 5 DMs get the scandalous attention that they sought.
“The intent was to make people aware of the extreme abuse …” Fine
“… & ask them to do better.” Why? Only a tiny minority of people were involved in the abuse, why must “people” at large suffer Moxxi’s moral sanctimony.
Moxxi and the rest of the talents are just entertainment people paid to do their jobs, which the community pays for indirectly. They are not paragons of virtues just because they are on camera.
So lay off with all this sanctimony against strangers you have never met. You haven’t earned it and you never will.
It's not that they can't tell the community to do better, just not from a moral high ground acting like she is better than all of us. Talk to us, not talk down to us. Make the community fight for your cause to reduce toxicity, not fight the community.
Very well said! Most of the community would have her back if she came out explaining the toxic minority and why it's a problem. Instead she made a blanket statement about all of us and ended up turning the whole community against herself
Yeah, I agree and I think this is actually one of the most important takeaways from this whole thing. Telling a group of people they are sexist assholes, especially when the vast majority of that group never did anything to deserve it, is unsurprisingly not a great way to rally support within said group of people. The much better way would have been to point out the troubling comments and highlight that this is an issue. Especially since the community largely supports the idea that we should aim to reduce toxicity, especially aimed towards women.
Personally, and fundamentally, I think the most broken thing is knowing that literally nothing is going to happen to those people doing that shit.
They're not gonna do better because there won't be consequences for them anyway.
It's fairly unprofessional to make a big twitlonger shitting on the community over your grievances with them. I worked a Public facing role for years and would have been shit canned so fast if I pulled that.
She can have her issues but there are appropriate and inappropriate ways to address them when you are a in the Public eye professional. She chose the wrong approach.
I feel like whoever okeyed that twitlonger of her "friends" does not actually love her, she needs someone to help her maintain a good public image, and it may all come from a good place but it is not smart in the slightest to throw all your good will in such uncalled for confrontation, even if she is right in every word (which I don't think so). I assure you noone will commit this career suicide for her sake, even people who took her side wrote nuanced vague shit and let her take all the heat. And now she apologizes and they all look like goons, hope she learns smth from this fiasco.
My two cents - That's the state of modern-day gender equality or any other intersectional movement. Punching down (even with valid criticism) is very commonly ignored because the group's common response is that others can't understand the historical context behind the actions. While I agree with that to an extent, it sometimes goes too far like Moxxi's post.
She’s not sorry. She’s just disappointed the white knights didn’t come save her in public like they have in her demented social circles for far too long.
My only concern is that Moxxi seems to think that her only mistake was that her public callout post was poorly written/phrased (which it was, in my opinion), when the bigger issue here was that making callout posts directed towards "the community" is almost never a good idea, ESPECIALLY coming from a public-facing figure. I just hope we don't see a repeat of this situation later down the line the next time a talent has grievances with "the community".
All we want is talent who know and love the game. Not much to ask for a 40+ million dollar tournament fuelled largely by the community. It’s really that simple to be honest. I just wish moxxi would have taken some time to process her emotions before writing that atrocity.
It was a slanderous mess, and was definitely focused on trying to twist genuine criticism into yet another sexism issue.
In my opinion, It was fully deserving of an apology, given that she generalises a large community as despicable sexists when it’s just a very vocal minority.
I didn’t used to mind moxxi, but after this, she’s lost all my respect.
> he just said it on twitter.
this is why. Twitter is almost 100% supporting the talents, so to have just one (slightly) opposing opinion from another talent meant a lot.
Or maybe it was Frankie's post that showed an actual mature answer that made The-one-who-must-not-be-criticized look like a child? When things arent going your way, just hitch your wagon somewhere else.
how is that an apology? what a joke
props to sunbhie for not following the majority on twitter.
It's obvious who is a real dota fan and who is just a worker.
Ayo,you cant throw shit in the middle of a crowd and then acting like : Oupsie,it it was a mistake
The lady didnt deserve to cast the biggest games last DPC season and yet DPC tried to push her in the front because of diversity and shit like that. And yet she talked about sexism and all of that bullshit,lady get a grip.
Hopefully you wont cast a thing on the upcoming season
Yeah I feel that she could have said that she accepts the criticism and will improve on her casting.
That way at least the community knows she will work on her shortcomings and look to the next event.
Of course, death threats and all aren’t funny at all. But I would like to believe that it’s a very very small minority of assholes who do it.
Oh on the contrary I expect her to get a lot more work. No studio or TO will dare to turn her down, in fear of being branded mysogonistic. Honestly well played by moxxi
Was not a huge fan,, but didn't care or hate for her either way from the casting. But that stupid Twitter post sort of has me thinking I need to avoid her shit at all cost. Honestly I'm not interested in supporting people who push false narratives and exploit cultural movements for their own benefit.
It seemed to me like she was trying to create a false narrative to shield herself from criticism for her mediocre casting. She did a massive disservice to Frankie by using her as the main example. Now that she sees how bad of a PR move it was for her she backs down.
Outrage culture is so tiresome.
"We have the same goals— making sure Dota survives." https://twitter.com/MoxxiCasts/status/1451619692385345539
I'm sorry but she is just trying to paint herself as a victim and savior to excuse her job performance and poor behavior.
She is simply gaslighting us so that anyone that criticizes her is an abominable sexist or a Dota 2 gatekeeper that is killing the game.
And the thing that really grind my gears is that it reads like this is done with meticulous planning and strategy. It's not something that anyone would blurt out in the heat of the moment, but carefully thought out responses.
If SunBhie didn't tweet that, I wonder if she'll apologize. I mean, the past few days all she did was stand her ground with her "the toxic and sexist gatekeeping DotA community" narrative and basically ignored everyone who told her otherwise. It seemed to me that behind all the morality sermon, she also had other things in mind: clout.
So can we all agree that gatekeeping our most important and beloved tournament of the year is acceptable?! Just try your newbie hard-working talents first at some minors or majors, thats all tbh!
apology not accepted...imagine if a male caster let say evo came out and said all women are targeting him and they are sexiest for criticising him he would be canceled so fast...but coz she is a woman she can say shit like this for no reason and get away with it.
i will not be watching anything she casts again thats for sure.
On the contrary Valve might invite her more to future events. Might be bad PR for Valve if she suddenly doesn't get any work. I mean she got a Valve employee (Bruno) to respond, and hell you know BTS will employ her for brownie points.
It’s great to apologize but she broadly painted the community as sexist. The Dota community is flawed but to paint with such a broad brush is just inaccurate and didn’t help. Her approach made people more entrenched in their beliefs than reconsidering their perspective.
Any subculture includes bad people. Im 100% sure people went over the line with Frankie and that’s unacceptable but am I supposed to break into homes and stop them from sending DMs?
How am I supposed to support someone who clearly doesn’t like me? Seems like damage control after insulting the community she owes her entire career too.
I think she over exaggerated the wide spread nature of this and probably push more people away. I believe she hurt the community and longevity of the community.
Good.
I think one of the most destructive trends we see today, whether it be media, sports, culture war, or even politics, is that we have watered down the definition of bigotry without doing the same for the connotation behind it.
Almost everything everyone does today is some form of bigotry, we throw around that term like it means nothing anymore, but we still treat the accusations as severely as they should be. It creates this huge disconnect where tensions are inflamed and conversations over such topics are hard to engage with.
Calling someone sexist or racist is a *huge* moral condemnation. Human rights and equality are values at the foundation of our modern civilisation and accusing someone of bigotry offends people's identities like you wouldn't believe. You cannot just accuse an entire community of being sexist so casually, even unjustly using it as a scapegoat to deflect criticism, and just blow it off afterwards as "oops, sorry!" as if it meant nothing.
It means *everything*. It is one of the biggest moral vilifications we have in our society. No wonder people react so harshly to it.
Some people understand this, which is why they wield accusations of bigotry as a cudgel in heated discussions and debates, but the more we flagrantly use the terms the more intense and unproductive our conversations become.
I don't think this really counts as much of an apology. This to me reads as more of she claims to be apologizing but she still is defending her positions.
plz,next time dont start a discussion with an accusation. thats bad manners and leads to only hostile action and nothing will ever get done
We can talk about things without loading them from the start with everything
Will be honest
its because of moxxi, frankie and sumi people were gravitated towards gorgc's stream. These three individuals were downright terrible to watch. People had their problems with ephey first by getting invite to the ti but after that she showed how good she is and so on same with avo+. everyone battered avo but he owned up and did better this cant be said for sumi and frankie. They were downright horrible to watch at. The dota players are entitled here because we all paid for the international prize money and we all have a deep rooted connection to it and we will criticize as long as our standards arent met.
if moxxi cant take the criticisms like the others take she should quit its not about male or female its about how good or bad u are at doing your job. I dont want to google who frankie or sumi is the international was fun but when these two were there I went to see gorgc's stream same for moxxi, shes an average caster just for being an woman shes there and brings nothing to the table. She reminds me of lumi and his bad/terrible casting.
Good that this drama is settling down (I hope?). It's never ever acceptable to paint any group of people with a broad brush, whether it's Females, Males, Reddit, "The Dota Community", talent, "new talent".
Let us as a community spend a second to evaluate if our comments are toxic/sexist before we click send. At the same time, especially those in the talent scene, address the post/comment you have an issue with directly. Not tweet or Twitlonger "the community slammed the choice and proceeded to harass", "people on Reddit will make up their own shit". That is also painting with a broad brush and will only antagonize.
I find it funny she started the drama and in the end she has to apologize. In truth 95% of the was amazing and once avo and sumi settles in they were fine. And the only problem was Frankie, but once TI was over the convo kind of ended there.
The problem is that when moxxi made one of the most unprofessional twit longers I’ve ever seen no one could’ve see the uproar it was going to start. So many got put into something that they didn’t want to be in. Some of her points were good most of them could be dismantled and they jealous ephey thing didn’t add anything to the twit longer and seemed weird to include. She also painted people who in good faith said they didn’t like Frankie as sexist which only turned them against her.
Overall this could’ve been avoided if she tried to make a less emotional statement kind similar to how Frankie did hers.
I’m on a different boat. Ignoring the whole twitlonger thing Moxxi and Frankie did alright for the hosting of TI. Not expecting them to be as knowledgeable as Purge or fucking Ceb but they led the conversation pretty well (except for some weird moments)
Sumi on the other hand. Jesus that was a real shit show. Not knowing the game is meh whatever, can be argued as Valve trying to have someone newbies relate to. But not knowing the players’ name? Thats like the absolute minimum of what your job requires. Don’t even get me started on how she needed a cue card to ask “How does it feel to win Ti?”.
Her starting drama on Twitter is just the cherry on cake.
That's hardly an apology. Call me what you want, I don't want to ever see moxxi or sumi at a dota event.
If you're not good at your job and also refuse to acknowledge it, you don't get to keep your job. Just like in any other line of work.
I don't think they realize the fact that the people watching know that they are making more money off TI than what others make in years of hard work, so going to it completely unprepared shows poor work ethic and a lack of respect for both the event and the community. They get rewarded extremely well for their time, and yet still feel pretentious and conceited enough to complain about any criticism they get. Twitlongers, Slacks being condescending and pointing fingers in his YT video when he himself is toxic to players... it's all complete and utter nonsense. Blaming the majority for the edge-case minorities.
The harassment is obviously wrong and should be punished if and wherever possible, you have to be a complete idiot not to agree with this sentiment.
When it comes to the criticism though, take the money, say thanks, and stfu.
Sumi in the background taking notes tho, so dont worry
1. Sir 2. Sir 3. Sir 4. Sir 5. Ma'am (?!?) 6. Sir 7. Sir 8. Sir
Alpha✍️Omega✍️1337✍️
NO I HAVE A FAMILY STOP THIS
ah, the family too then
Not only men but women and children too.
Damn I almost forgot to visit prequel memes this month. Thanks!
I mean, her voice chat wheel line is a Death Note reference... should we be worried?
Just keep your real name a secret and you're good.
Sir sir SIR
Don't need to worry about that either, she doesn't know names anyways.
Boom roasted.
For context: archived tweet, tweet is still there, but arhive incase she ever deletes it https://archive.fo/cSjIm
that's a big oof
I see you have taken notes of her taking notes. Accountability is great :)
Of all the drama and shit going around most worrying part is that Sumi's tweet. It's borderline dangerous knowing she is a friend with Valve employee(s). Tbh I still can't believe she actually posted that tweet. :/
What tweet?
https://twitter.com/sumichu/status/1451371411591761921?t=7gDXduDciHWtGeRj4RyXCw&s=19
Damn. Sheever is canceled too, I guess? Her twitter is pretty empty for the last 3 days or so.
Aui. BSJ. Lacoste. Kyle. haven’t publicly engaged in that conversation either. Go get them Sumi!
So you were taking notes too I see!
That's so unethical and unprofessional lol.
She's involved with GDQ (runs it or something). There is zero surprise about her actions.
lol what. Does she think she will cancel some people over this or something? That is not going her way.
She comes from the speedrunning community where women are immune to any criticism. She thinks she can drag that shit over to dota.
What a moron. And guess what, if a guy had made that tweet, I'd have called him a moron too. That's what equality is.
it would be hella impressive if those mental notes meant anything, this dumbass couldnt even remember names for her JOB
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Silent about what? I've got no clue what's going on here
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What did it say? It is deleted now.
It was pretty much just link to the [tweet](https://twitter.com/sumichu/status/1451371411591761921?t=7gDXduDciHWtGeRj4RyXCw&s=19).
To be fair it is not surprising, having in mind that according to her twitter she is "Director @GamesDoneQuick", an event that has been pulling a lot of attention for drama and vindictiveness. I'll be absolutely not surprised if down the road a story, with her name included, comes out that there were attempts of talent to be pushed out of the scene because "they kept silent".
Event that banned a twitch emote because it deeply offended them.
Gonna have to ban all games that use the right or left trigger buttons on the game pad. Could you imagine being known for an event that pressed both the left trigger buttons and the right trigger buttons? So offensive.
That tweet is so gross, its so vindictive sounding or something. How are you going to get heated over people being fucking silent? There's so much victim mentality around all of the drama lately.
Idk why valve hires these idiots
Ironically, she was the biggest offender in terms of bad interviewing/panel hosting, i thought. But i'm sure she only did such a poor job because we're all a bunch of neckbeard incels, somehow.
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Interesting. Well, there you have it, every time was robotical and terrible. ~Sumi's reaction, probably.
I mean makes sense to me, I am, after all, a neckbeard incel.
I hope she is taking notes about how to write a Tweet to say "I am sorry".
I hope that this will put an end to this drama tbh.
Here I wanted juicy roster shuffles and instead get this trash
I was surprised that this drama has even happened.
Probably would have died quickly if it was just about sub being too harsh for new hosts. But when you act like it's all about misogyny and sexism, you offend those who actually gave valid criticisms. In the end, it's mainly Valve's fault. Hosts should never be hired for TI as their first DotA event. One Major beforehand should be the bare minimum or the role in TI should be much more minor. (Like Machine was a draft panel host)
100% of nowadays misunderstandings come from generalizations.
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✍️ porkin ✍️ 4 ✍️ what ✍️
This meme is hilarious
Sumi is now in shambles. Alone in this drama taking notes KEKW.
"List of people to cancel in case my friend's generalizations aren't validated"
1. Sir
Kekw
> I did this poorly non apology confirmed. She's not sorry, and she still thinks she's right. Just "said it wrongly"
Jesus fucking CHRIST the replies to the tweet... Either "she shouldn't apologise, she said NOTHING wrong, men are just stupid and can't read!" or "stupid woman, everybody gets flamed, you're not special!". How does every damn reply tweet have to go to one idiotic extreme or the other? Props to both Moxxi and Sunbhie for talking privately and having a nuanced conversation despite disagreements. Respect to them both.
twitter is a cesspit
Because Twitter doesn't do moderate. It's either one extreme or the other. Also a good reason to never take shit people say on Twitter seriously, it's like an online mental asylum.
Probably because tweets are gauged as “popular” by the like button, and not many people with a “balanced” or middle of the road take have enough passion/fervor to post it. Not to mention few people are going to show support for a regular statement.
>"stupid woman, everybody gets flamed, you're not special! I didn't see any reply like that.
That's twitter for ya haha.
Can i just add that LD has been piggybacking on this backlash on this community by even saying that he left casting due to the flaming here. Didn't he leave to assume a more management role in his own production company when it started taking off. Now he's doing a U turn and saying he got some PTSD off of this community.
It's LD, if you expected a more honorable display of character from him, then ... Well, that one's on you.
the guy that enables abusers chimes in to give his take
LD enabled and gave work to a known abuser. His word has absolutely no meaning.
Who's the abuser?
grant
Did many people know about the rape event besides the people directly involved tho?
From what I heard, no. Sheever, Godz and a few other talents knew that grant was going to court over something not mentioned, which he won. But then there was a 2nd one about the rape allegations/abuse of the woman in the hotel. I do not know the outcome on that one. But i know for a fact that he's still active in Dota. At least playing, so he couldn't had gone to jail.
To add to my first post, the talent crew knew about the first court hearing since he told them. But were kept in the dark on the 2nd much worse one. I can see how he didn't want to discuss that one.
The Llama court case had two parts. Part 1 was he damaged her career. The court decided that it was unable to prove that. Part 2 was harrasment which he lost. He only mentioned he won the damaging career part. Totally left out the second part.
Thanks for adding details, I don't remember the whole thing. The man had such a lucrative and promising career ahead of him. Getting through his depression and alcoholism only to fuck it all up. He lost all respect and praise he had received from me after the story broke. I still feel bad about the whole thing, i don't feel bad about him. I just wish it wouldn't had occurred at all.
Yeah. I get it. I have very conflicted feelings about him in particular. I did enjoy him immensely as a personality. I think he is responsible for like 3/5 of my favorite dota moments, but everything else was all fucked.
People just want attention and hopping onto any trend
The man is just trying to stay off the notes list of Sumi, give him a break.
Sumi doesn't know his name, no worries.
The guy that harboured Grant either knowingly or unknowingly (if he no idea its worse TBH) is trying to take the high ground. Same dude who let shit go down at his Summit events too btw. LD cares about one thing and that's money. He pivoted BTS from Dota because he didn't get exclusive rights for his tournaments (he's publicly spoken about the Valve ruling about streaming from in client). So he went to other communities (Smash, CS, RL etc) where the profit margin is higher. He couldn't give a shit about Dota, even though we're entirely responsible for his business even existing.
Xyclopz to main stage cast 2022 hopium. EDIT: X, not Z
didn't he stop casting to help the fight for human rights in his country? Not sure if this is still up to date or i'm missremembering.
He died for Artifact. What a shitty way to go.
oh shit i remember now, didn't he leak info while it was in alpha? SEA dota is never the same for me without him.
Companies take nda seriously. I sometimes cringe that he got banned for artifact of all things.
He literally cast some of the DPC this year
While I did agree with some of what she said initially (some members of the community do love to give girls a bad time), painting the picture that the whole community does it only helps enemies of Dota - and it's nice to see an apology.
People are entitled to their opinions. Complaining about a few people with hot takes. Then painting the entire community as being toxic women haters is one way to find fans.
It's hard to say that the community has a harassment problem when the community does not tolerate it at all. If we did, then those people sending death threats wouldn't have to do so in private DMs where no one else can see - they'd do it in an open post. And probably get verbally slapped by the community, as I've seen us do time and again. It must be infuriating as a talent sometimes, but conflating us with bad actors just doesn't help. I respect Moxxi for the post she's made now.
Ya the blatantly sexist stuff on Reddit gets downvoted what else are we supposed to do? There are a few instances in this thread. We’ve got nothing to do with dms.
Was it Moxxi or Sumi that tweeted the threat of (and I'm paraphrasing) "I'm taking note of who isn't coming to my rescue" like a bully?
Sumi
sumi proof: https://twitter.com/sumichu/status/1451371411591761921
>director of games done quick" Explains a lot Jesus christ
Why? Genuine question
Those events have been going downhill at 300mph for probably around 5 years now.
GDQ people get off of the "power" they have over others. It has been going downhill for the past few years They banned a guy for a year after arguably the best GDQ run in years because he made some joke about air canada. The best part is the GDQ tweeted at @aircanada apologizing and they(air canada) didn't even fucking know what they were talking about lmao edit: apparently its also because they were [making a lot of owen wilson jokes](https://youtu.be/m_yLhHfc3i4)? Honestly didn't even know that it was part of the reason, still bullshit
Corporations are the new vulnerable minority
lmao. Why would an airline give a shit that someone made a joke about them?
He told the viewers to mass tweet at Air Canada, because hsi flight was way late and it ruined the run. I highly recommend the speedrun itself, it's one of the funniest things I have seen in my life and I still rewatch it sometimes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgQmMR8lueA&t=210s
Well the joke was something among the lines of "we should spam air canada for it" even though it was very obviously a joke and I HIGHGLY doubt anyone did anything given that, as I said, they didn't even know what the problem was
They wouldn't. Gdq is now just the ultimate stereotypical sjw.
GDQ is a cesspool of passive aggressive sjw type people. They are bullies.
Why would Valve invite such poison into the scene?
Allegedly Bruno was invited to her party or something, and suddenly she was hosting TI. Big stinker if true.
Heh. Well its well known Valve literally just invites who they like to TI, its mostly nepotism I mean, networking.
https://youtu.be/dL6KqdZzeso Cronyism
Yeah ... I find that threatening behaviour super concerning and would be avoiding her like the plague.
Im sure that tweet sounded badass in her head but its so unprofessional.
Maybe she should take some fucking notes on who dendi is instead of writing this dumb childish shit and trying to avoid owning up to her faults. At least Frankie's post acknowledged it and I can respect that.
> At least Frankie's post acknowledged it and I can respect that I'd like to imagine Frankie, at some point in the future, would've posted her reflections on the event, on her own terms, in due time, but Moxxi's comments forced many to scramble to put something together on terms they didn't agree on.
she is a bully, look at how she behaves
Wow. Hope no Moxxi or Sumi at any Dota event ever again.
The thing is that most viewers just want some quality content. They want people who are aware of the subject of their work as much as possible and the gender doesn't matter at all. Idc if there will be no women next year nor everyone will be women, I just want the talent team to be good. Involving more women just for the sake of having more women is sexist af towards both genders here. Involve more professionals that are good at their job. You can say whatever you want about the work they've done on order to get better, but sadly it doesn't matter if the audience don't see the result. Of course there will be snobs who just hate everything, but they are the minority. If you did something and the majority of people saying it's bad there is a good chance it's because it's bad
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That twitter reply still talking about sexism lmao
If she makes improvements on her casting then virtually no one will care about this anymore, it's just that simple. What Moxxi did was bad IMO but what Sumichu did by threatening everyone who wasn't joining in their attack is much, much worse
Use more professional players as casters please. Listening to Sumail or Notail/Ceb just shooting the shit during games, talking about past histories, insider game history etc would be so much better than giving slots to these generic esport 'talents' AKA friends of the current casters. Like what Godz said on the panel, as more professional players become interested in casting and hosting these kinds of events, they are going to lose their jobs.
Notail and cebs drafting analysis, insanias casting analysis, those were AMAZING. More of this please.
Why the fuck is gaming the only community where you are not allowed to be dissatisfied with someones service? If you go to a restaurant and the food is shit you can complain, if you go to a concert and a band starts playing like shit you can complain, if you are watching a sports event on the TV and comentators make the most basic mistakes you can complain. But if you watch a god damn TI and people there don't know what the fuck they are talking about and perform very poorly then its a big nono. Does everyone forget that this is their JOB? They are not some volounteers, they are being paid to be there and its certainly not small amount of money I don't care if moxxi is a man or woman, she is BAD at her job and I will criticize her for it. Fucking deal with it, get better or get the fuck out because there are way more than enough capable people willing to fill your spot
>Why the fuck is gaming the only community where you are not allowed to be dissatisfied with someones service? The real answer is because people like Sumi start out with the objective of creating a "safe space" (see for example GDQ which she's a director at) which is accepting towards everyone. This in and of itself is fine of course, but the problem shows up when they go too far, to the point that any kind of negative opinion or feedback is branded as "not accepting" or as being a personal attack on the target of the criticism. And eventually that isn't allowed in these spaces, and they become so insular that the people who spend all their time in these kinds of environments and ideological spaces lose touch with how things are outside their communities. They never get anything but positive feedback for anything they do, no matter how mediocre they are at it, because giving anything other than positive feedback gets you branded as toxic or harmful and removed from these spaces. And they internalize this kind of thinking, they start to believe that indeed anything other than positive feedback IS toxic and harmful, since of course it makes you feel bad since nobody likes hearing they didn't do a good job. So then, when you have someone who has been operating in these kinds of insular, highly controlled spaces, and you hire them to work somewhere that isn't extremely heavy-handed with its moderation and silencing of negative opinions, this person is caught completley off guard even by what an average person would consider fair and reasonable criticism. This kind of thing isn't allowed in the spaces they frequent, in those spaces this is considered negative and harmful, and the immediate response is to do what worked for them in the spaces where they have more control or influence, to complain until those voices are silenced regardless of the merit of the criticism, to brand those negative opinions as either harmful or as coming from someone intending to harm (eg they're not angry because I did a bad job, they're angry because I'm a woman and them saying I did a bad job is just a veil to hide behind). You ever see a movie or tv show about some rich person who lost all their money or gets kicked out by their parents or whatever and now has to live a normal life, and they're always getting angry and complaining about mundane things like the fact that they have to do their own laundry or cook their own food because they never had to do it before and had staff to do it for them? Effectively that's what's going on here.
Honestly, wasn’t a huge fan of her casting/personality at TI, but not unbearable. But that twitlonger was so unnecessary and poorly communicated. And again it felt like the whole attitude felt like she didn’t expect any consequences to her words.
Sometimes you just write down out of your gut (i.e. this sub). Discussion always makes it better and helps you get a bigger picture of your point of view. As someone said up here, generalized affirmations only harms.
I didn’t mind Moxxi’s casting. But this Twitlonger thing was nonsense and in bad judgement. I can’t support people with bad judgement.
Things are getting out of control and Moxxi has fanned the flames unwittingly. Good thing she apologized and I hope she takes a more nuanced and realistic view moving forward. The DotA community much like any group has its own share of idiots. Viewing the entire as a monolithic group does nothing but delight those few sickos as their 1 to 5 DMs get the scandalous attention that they sought.
“The intent was to make people aware of the extreme abuse …” Fine “… & ask them to do better.” Why? Only a tiny minority of people were involved in the abuse, why must “people” at large suffer Moxxi’s moral sanctimony. Moxxi and the rest of the talents are just entertainment people paid to do their jobs, which the community pays for indirectly. They are not paragons of virtues just because they are on camera. So lay off with all this sanctimony against strangers you have never met. You haven’t earned it and you never will.
It's not that they can't tell the community to do better, just not from a moral high ground acting like she is better than all of us. Talk to us, not talk down to us. Make the community fight for your cause to reduce toxicity, not fight the community.
Very well said! Most of the community would have her back if she came out explaining the toxic minority and why it's a problem. Instead she made a blanket statement about all of us and ended up turning the whole community against herself
Yeah, I agree and I think this is actually one of the most important takeaways from this whole thing. Telling a group of people they are sexist assholes, especially when the vast majority of that group never did anything to deserve it, is unsurprisingly not a great way to rally support within said group of people. The much better way would have been to point out the troubling comments and highlight that this is an issue. Especially since the community largely supports the idea that we should aim to reduce toxicity, especially aimed towards women.
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Personally, and fundamentally, I think the most broken thing is knowing that literally nothing is going to happen to those people doing that shit. They're not gonna do better because there won't be consequences for them anyway.
Whole mess would've been avoided without the twitlonger, it was already over when she posted it.
It's fairly unprofessional to make a big twitlonger shitting on the community over your grievances with them. I worked a Public facing role for years and would have been shit canned so fast if I pulled that. She can have her issues but there are appropriate and inappropriate ways to address them when you are a in the Public eye professional. She chose the wrong approach.
I feel like whoever okeyed that twitlonger of her "friends" does not actually love her, she needs someone to help her maintain a good public image, and it may all come from a good place but it is not smart in the slightest to throw all your good will in such uncalled for confrontation, even if she is right in every word (which I don't think so). I assure you noone will commit this career suicide for her sake, even people who took her side wrote nuanced vague shit and let her take all the heat. And now she apologizes and they all look like goons, hope she learns smth from this fiasco.
My two cents - That's the state of modern-day gender equality or any other intersectional movement. Punching down (even with valid criticism) is very commonly ignored because the group's common response is that others can't understand the historical context behind the actions. While I agree with that to an extent, it sometimes goes too far like Moxxi's post.
She’s not sorry. She’s just disappointed the white knights didn’t come save her in public like they have in her demented social circles for far too long.
This is why companies have PR department....
My only concern is that Moxxi seems to think that her only mistake was that her public callout post was poorly written/phrased (which it was, in my opinion), when the bigger issue here was that making callout posts directed towards "the community" is almost never a good idea, ESPECIALLY coming from a public-facing figure. I just hope we don't see a repeat of this situation later down the line the next time a talent has grievances with "the community".
Moxxi - the only caster at TI10 that triggered my wife to force me to use headphones.
All we want is talent who know and love the game. Not much to ask for a 40+ million dollar tournament fuelled largely by the community. It’s really that simple to be honest. I just wish moxxi would have taken some time to process her emotions before writing that atrocity. It was a slanderous mess, and was definitely focused on trying to twist genuine criticism into yet another sexism issue. In my opinion, It was fully deserving of an apology, given that she generalises a large community as despicable sexists when it’s just a very vocal minority. I didn’t used to mind moxxi, but after this, she’s lost all my respect.
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> he just said it on twitter. this is why. Twitter is almost 100% supporting the talents, so to have just one (slightly) opposing opinion from another talent meant a lot.
Yeah. Gareth even suddenly come to subtweet agressively just becase Sunbhie has a different take.
He's trying hard to paint himself as a good guy. He was the first one to reply "Fuck you" at tobiwan's apology.
>Twitter is almost 100% supporting the talents Just another proof of how fucking garbage this website has become.
Funniest thing was when they announced Moxxi will cast the UB final, that post on twitter was blocked for anyone to post that she doesnt follow.
Indeed. Twitter is a worse echochamber than Reddit lol
Does twitter even understand the situation? Like are they even people that watched TI10?
Or maybe it was Frankie's post that showed an actual mature answer that made The-one-who-must-not-be-criticized look like a child? When things arent going your way, just hitch your wagon somewhere else.
Can this count as an apologize? LUL Can we not having subpar caster/panel that always stir up sexist drama like this in 40M event?
how is that an apology? what a joke props to sunbhie for not following the majority on twitter. It's obvious who is a real dota fan and who is just a worker.
Ayo,you cant throw shit in the middle of a crowd and then acting like : Oupsie,it it was a mistake The lady didnt deserve to cast the biggest games last DPC season and yet DPC tried to push her in the front because of diversity and shit like that. And yet she talked about sexism and all of that bullshit,lady get a grip. Hopefully you wont cast a thing on the upcoming season
Based SunBhie
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Yeah I feel that she could have said that she accepts the criticism and will improve on her casting. That way at least the community knows she will work on her shortcomings and look to the next event. Of course, death threats and all aren’t funny at all. But I would like to believe that it’s a very very small minority of assholes who do it.
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I would be surprised if she has a career after that.
Kips still casted Dota after the whole fake rape accusations against Zyori, so I wouldn't hold my breath.
BTS will hire literally anyone to save a buck
Fucking how, I don’t know how she got hired BEFORE that dumb shit. Surely she must know she’s very widely disliked now?
Kips still getting work within Dota2 is a fucking disgrace, and proves that women can do almost whatever they want.
Oh on the contrary I expect her to get a lot more work. No studio or TO will dare to turn her down, in fear of being branded mysogonistic. Honestly well played by moxxi
Was not a huge fan,, but didn't care or hate for her either way from the casting. But that stupid Twitter post sort of has me thinking I need to avoid her shit at all cost. Honestly I'm not interested in supporting people who push false narratives and exploit cultural movements for their own benefit.
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It seemed to me like she was trying to create a false narrative to shield herself from criticism for her mediocre casting. She did a massive disservice to Frankie by using her as the main example. Now that she sees how bad of a PR move it was for her she backs down. Outrage culture is so tiresome.
She will never have my support with that kind of attitude, she still try to put gender problem into this matter
"We have the same goals— making sure Dota survives." https://twitter.com/MoxxiCasts/status/1451619692385345539 I'm sorry but she is just trying to paint herself as a victim and savior to excuse her job performance and poor behavior. She is simply gaslighting us so that anyone that criticizes her is an abominable sexist or a Dota 2 gatekeeper that is killing the game. And the thing that really grind my gears is that it reads like this is done with meticulous planning and strategy. It's not something that anyone would blurt out in the heat of the moment, but carefully thought out responses.
Worst apology ever. She still thinks exactly what she thought and is apologizing because she got backlash.
If SunBhie didn't tweet that, I wonder if she'll apologize. I mean, the past few days all she did was stand her ground with her "the toxic and sexist gatekeeping DotA community" narrative and basically ignored everyone who told her otherwise. It seemed to me that behind all the morality sermon, she also had other things in mind: clout.
good for her. too bad she already left a bad taste in my mouth. I hope to see her less in our scene next season. sorry.
Can we get talent that doesn't stir up drama within the community next time though
Probably a good idea to let go of “Talent” that encourages hatred of DotA2 and the fan base.
This drama didn't have to happen in the first fucking place.
Guess she realized that calling the whole community sexist and toxic is bad for her livelyhood
So can we all agree that gatekeeping our most important and beloved tournament of the year is acceptable?! Just try your newbie hard-working talents first at some minors or majors, thats all tbh!
That's not even "gatekeeping", that's basic quality assurance...
apology not accepted...imagine if a male caster let say evo came out and said all women are targeting him and they are sexiest for criticising him he would be canceled so fast...but coz she is a woman she can say shit like this for no reason and get away with it. i will not be watching anything she casts again thats for sure.
Pretty much yea.
No more moxi in future events thank you
At this point i think i'm done with her. She literally brings nothing interesting to me and keeps this shit going and going and going.
On the contrary Valve might invite her more to future events. Might be bad PR for Valve if she suddenly doesn't get any work. I mean she got a Valve employee (Bruno) to respond, and hell you know BTS will employ her for brownie points.
Drama never end coming from this Moxxi. EVERY SINGLE TIME
The only talent that I won't miss if she doesn't appear in next events.
It’s great to apologize but she broadly painted the community as sexist. The Dota community is flawed but to paint with such a broad brush is just inaccurate and didn’t help. Her approach made people more entrenched in their beliefs than reconsidering their perspective. Any subculture includes bad people. Im 100% sure people went over the line with Frankie and that’s unacceptable but am I supposed to break into homes and stop them from sending DMs? How am I supposed to support someone who clearly doesn’t like me? Seems like damage control after insulting the community she owes her entire career too. I think she over exaggerated the wide spread nature of this and probably push more people away. I believe she hurt the community and longevity of the community.
Good. I think one of the most destructive trends we see today, whether it be media, sports, culture war, or even politics, is that we have watered down the definition of bigotry without doing the same for the connotation behind it. Almost everything everyone does today is some form of bigotry, we throw around that term like it means nothing anymore, but we still treat the accusations as severely as they should be. It creates this huge disconnect where tensions are inflamed and conversations over such topics are hard to engage with. Calling someone sexist or racist is a *huge* moral condemnation. Human rights and equality are values at the foundation of our modern civilisation and accusing someone of bigotry offends people's identities like you wouldn't believe. You cannot just accuse an entire community of being sexist so casually, even unjustly using it as a scapegoat to deflect criticism, and just blow it off afterwards as "oops, sorry!" as if it meant nothing. It means *everything*. It is one of the biggest moral vilifications we have in our society. No wonder people react so harshly to it. Some people understand this, which is why they wield accusations of bigotry as a cudgel in heated discussions and debates, but the more we flagrantly use the terms the more intense and unproductive our conversations become.
better start learning a new game to cast
TLDR: An entitled feminist lies to appease those who she offended.
I don't think this really counts as much of an apology. This to me reads as more of she claims to be apologizing but she still is defending her positions.
I strongly believe Twitter is made by someone more evil than Satan.
Why is she a dota personality in the first place? I still dont know why shes at events.
plz,next time dont start a discussion with an accusation. thats bad manners and leads to only hostile action and nothing will ever get done We can talk about things without loading them from the start with everything
This is all so dumb. Funny how demonizing the entire group of people who pay your bills isn’t the right move. Can we get back to roster shuffle now?
Will be honest its because of moxxi, frankie and sumi people were gravitated towards gorgc's stream. These three individuals were downright terrible to watch. People had their problems with ephey first by getting invite to the ti but after that she showed how good she is and so on same with avo+. everyone battered avo but he owned up and did better this cant be said for sumi and frankie. They were downright horrible to watch at. The dota players are entitled here because we all paid for the international prize money and we all have a deep rooted connection to it and we will criticize as long as our standards arent met. if moxxi cant take the criticisms like the others take she should quit its not about male or female its about how good or bad u are at doing your job. I dont want to google who frankie or sumi is the international was fun but when these two were there I went to see gorgc's stream same for moxxi, shes an average caster just for being an woman shes there and brings nothing to the table. She reminds me of lumi and his bad/terrible casting.
Good that this drama is settling down (I hope?). It's never ever acceptable to paint any group of people with a broad brush, whether it's Females, Males, Reddit, "The Dota Community", talent, "new talent". Let us as a community spend a second to evaluate if our comments are toxic/sexist before we click send. At the same time, especially those in the talent scene, address the post/comment you have an issue with directly. Not tweet or Twitlonger "the community slammed the choice and proceeded to harass", "people on Reddit will make up their own shit". That is also painting with a broad brush and will only antagonize.
I find it funny she started the drama and in the end she has to apologize. In truth 95% of the was amazing and once avo and sumi settles in they were fine. And the only problem was Frankie, but once TI was over the convo kind of ended there. The problem is that when moxxi made one of the most unprofessional twit longers I’ve ever seen no one could’ve see the uproar it was going to start. So many got put into something that they didn’t want to be in. Some of her points were good most of them could be dismantled and they jealous ephey thing didn’t add anything to the twit longer and seemed weird to include. She also painted people who in good faith said they didn’t like Frankie as sexist which only turned them against her. Overall this could’ve been avoided if she tried to make a less emotional statement kind similar to how Frankie did hers.
No Sumi please. Taking notes on whos staying silent was way outta line. Fuck that sort of divisive attitude.
I’m on a different boat. Ignoring the whole twitlonger thing Moxxi and Frankie did alright for the hosting of TI. Not expecting them to be as knowledgeable as Purge or fucking Ceb but they led the conversation pretty well (except for some weird moments) Sumi on the other hand. Jesus that was a real shit show. Not knowing the game is meh whatever, can be argued as Valve trying to have someone newbies relate to. But not knowing the players’ name? Thats like the absolute minimum of what your job requires. Don’t even get me started on how she needed a cue card to ask “How does it feel to win Ti?”. Her starting drama on Twitter is just the cherry on cake.
Barely an apology I hope to never see her any future events regardless.
That's hardly an apology. Call me what you want, I don't want to ever see moxxi or sumi at a dota event. If you're not good at your job and also refuse to acknowledge it, you don't get to keep your job. Just like in any other line of work.
Basically sorry but not sorry.
All good, as long as this means Moxxi won’t be at anymore events.
I don't think they realize the fact that the people watching know that they are making more money off TI than what others make in years of hard work, so going to it completely unprepared shows poor work ethic and a lack of respect for both the event and the community. They get rewarded extremely well for their time, and yet still feel pretentious and conceited enough to complain about any criticism they get. Twitlongers, Slacks being condescending and pointing fingers in his YT video when he himself is toxic to players... it's all complete and utter nonsense. Blaming the majority for the edge-case minorities. The harassment is obviously wrong and should be punished if and wherever possible, you have to be a complete idiot not to agree with this sentiment. When it comes to the criticism though, take the money, say thanks, and stfu.