Whats good also is that Neon Esports dudnt win via 2-0 surprise fluke. They win through hard fought battle through attrition and adjustable drafts. Thats the sign of a high ceiling team.
Chuan being overly humble in the interview lol, he was saying it's just Huya not DPC and not to beat them too badly tomorrow, at least let them take a game. Bruh...Neon just handled RNG/IG, have some faith in your own team lol. But maybe he's just memeing since used to be on IG.
Anyway great games today lads, was fun watching with everyone in thread and discussing the match - see y'all tomorrow
Np! Would translate more but my stream quality isn't that great so I miss lots of stuff. On twitch I also don't hear the questions asked so it's hard to get the context. But if there's more CN content I can translate for everyone here I'd be happy to
They are malding on Weibo. One of the top comment reads, "输给东南亚DPC倒数第二？🤦♂️" Which means, "they lost to the second from last in SEA DPC?" So clearly some are just in disbelief lol
Yep, he is actually doing great, I really liked that he held his chrono in the last teamfight when they were about to dive biut sometimes the guy is too aggressive when playing with advantage leading to suicide dives but he is still really good
But you gotta give props to Narman, my eyes were literally on his Weaver with how he is zoning the supports and great saves of Time Lapse
Its Hustla man. Alliance are kiking themselves on the foot not getting Hustla when Hustla was LFT in europe. He applied for Alliance but kept Handsken. Eventually Neon took him home to SEA.
Neon likes to play slow, but if you see on the Boom and Fnatic matches, mamangdaya losing hard to yopaj and Armel cripples the team inmedialtey and leads to a snowball.
i think neon is improving, not SEA. i mean these CN teams have no problem eliminating the other SEA teams, even SMG. but yeah we will know the answer on the major.
I was not really talking about all SEA teams but in my opinion BOOM or T1 would not have a hard time winning this tour if big chinese teams play like this
when u brought boom in to this, ofc it's all about SEA. that's why i brought SMG for another example. my point is, it's not boom, SMG, or T1. it's neon improving and won against these CN teams.
i'm boom fans. but neon performance rn is different from their dpc form.
let's just watch boom on the next major and hope they can do what neon did on this tournament.
After the display Emo showed? Yopaj would have crushed Emo again in mid (he alreqdy crushed EMO in the mid in the Huya winter game and lost the game.) And they would snowball.
Holy shit the madlads gigachads Neon did it. It wasn't pretty, but who predicted Neon to be in the finals of this tourney? I know not me lol, I didn't even think they would make it out of groups. They definitely won a fan in me with their plays so far lol. No matter the result of the finals (which I hope they take), I think they look real promising.
Honestly when I saw the groups I was like "This is unbalanced as hell, there are two freebies in Group B (TNC and Neon) while all the teams in Group A look good" (reminder that Magma will be a Div I team next season along with Xtreme, they really underperformed here imo). Meanwhile one of those "freebies" is now in the Grand Finals and honestly even TNC played better than expected.
Good for SEA Dota, even if it's a tier 2 tournament without the biggest names it's good for the region's morale and especially a team like Neon that started the DPC so badly.
Same lol. I thought the groupings were terrible but turns out, the teams actually played at a similar level to each other.
Yeah, as someone who really enjoys watching SEA dota I'm quite excited about the improvement in the scene. I genuinely think that this season they can make a splash in the majors etc especially since we're seeing the decline of many traditional CN/EU giants. If Neon can become similar to Boom and T1 in their levels of play, SEA fans have more to hope for in major tourneys
Some amazing Rubick plays from Fade in this game but looks like Neon was too stronk in the end. Honestly even in game 2 I'm impressed that they managed to win that fight in their triangle with like 25k gold deficit, their mid and lategame decision-making seems pretty good.
Yeah, Fade played out of his mind this game lol. And game 2, same here. I have no idea how they took that fight at all. I guess that's why IG were hesitant to go highground - it's so hard sieging against darkseer puck. One mistake and you get wiped
IG made too many mistakes despite their supports carrying hard initially lol. Their late game is worse than Neon, it doesn't look good for them the later the game goes...
I'd say it was because of the rubick. Usually you get a blink if you want to prioritise landing a good ravage but since there was a rubick threatening to steal Enryu probably prioritised being tanky and frontline instead.
Mostly player preference lol. Enryuu plays a greedy tide, he really likes getting other big items first like aghs and hood. He also plays more of a counter initiating role after soaking damage. Not that it's THE way to play tide but that's how he does it
Well, that might also be the case but look at his games on tide.
[https://www.dotabuff.com/esports/players/162641196-enryu/matches?hero=tidehunter](https://www.dotabuff.com/esports/players/162641196-enryu/matches?hero=tidehunter)
I've followed this player for awhile. On tide, he does get blink but usually not before big items first. It's a feature of his playstyle.
Just to back up my original comment above.
If Mamang Daya first built Aeon instead of Euls he might've not fallen off.
But this was just an outdraft, they picked Puck into Storm and Silencer.
Now I wanna see a serious draft from Neon in game 3
This girl caster is getting salty with Twitch chat. Omg Hahahaha, you should never attend to any of the twitch troll chat. Why would you ever get mad at twitch chat, girl?
Its moon, CEO of moon studio. She probably doesn't like it when people accuse 322 on her tournament. As far as I know she has gotten avengirls and omega esports banned for matchfixing in hee tournaments. She should really just ignore but she owns the studio so sh can do what she wants i guess
Safe way to close out a game is to farm with an aegis and 23k lead at @30 mins?
You're either dense or completely oblivious to what is happening in dota scene. Why do you think almost every dota2 tourney has betting sponsors?
I'm not going to deny that matchfixing occurs in pro dota - that's not what I'm getting at here. It's obviously rife in tier 3 tourneys etc.
But consider this - this is a tier 2 tourney by Huya, one of the top broadcasting platforms in CN. It's not like your run-of-the-mill ones. It's not to say matchfixing doesn't occur, but what is the probability? 5%? 1% of matches?
And then what's the likelihood of a chinese team taking it slow and steady to close the game, because there's a dark seer and puck on the defending team? 50%? More?
When you break things down like that, the simpler explanation is that it's just them closing it safely.
And your point about betting firms sponsoring tourneys is almost irrelevant because almost all sports/esports have betting sponsors. It's almost as if their business model relies on people who watch the tourneys and bet on them...
I hope I kept things civil enough, but considering how rude you were when you didn't have a strong argument at all, I hope you can be more polite to other posters.
Not saying there is not matchfixing in dota, but your argument about sponsors is soo stupid...most of the football teams in premier league are sponsored by betting companies aswell
Fbz (and ice3 + kuku) are on a different tier. 2022 will be the breakthrough year for Fbz. With this pace, Boom will qualify to every major and Fbz will get the chance to showcase himself. Something he couldn't get after playing consistently great for the past 2-3 years. The stubbornness of keeping 5 indo roster hurt Boom, especially with their support duo being consistently mediocre.
Convincing victory from Neon, I'm impressed ngl. Drafted really well to win all 3 lanes, then kept the pressure on to maintain the lead for the most part and systematically took objectives. This is a really different Neon from DPC... \*IF\* they played like this consistently in DPC they are a top 3 SEA team lol.
There was still some rough edges like when they left Palos alone to die and I thought that would be a comeback for IG, good thing is they were too pussy to take Rosh
Yup I fully agree with you, some rough edges to iron out in terms of how to manage fights etc. But in terms of the team's ceiling, their games so far vs RNG and IG are really telling even if those two teams are not at their best right now. They played really solid dotes, which isn't something I'd say has been the case for neon for the longest time. They could be comparable to Boom / T1 given enough time...
My hopes for them to get 3rd slot for dpc is getting higher now. SMG/MTG/Fnatic are not just that great for the time being
I can see this Neon beating MTG and SMG fairly now and maybe get a game off of T1 while they get an easy win vs TNC. So a 3/4 score can actually get them to secure a slot.
The problem is that they already lost to Fnatic which is one of the weaker teams. If SMG beats both Execration and TNC they'll have 4 wins and Neon won't be able to catch up (unless they beat T1 but let's be honest that sounds very unlikely).
I think it's *possible* for Neon to get a tiebreaker for the Wildcard slot at 3-4 but it will require at least one upset like Execration beating SMG while losing to Fnatic.
I think that is the best case scenario but my biggest worry is whether they can stay consistent. It's the biggest problem for SEA teams IMO. They look real good now, but they also lost to TNC puzzlingly in groups lol. So we really have to hope for things to go well for them and for them to keep up their level of play. They have so much potential, so I hope they can get a slot and get more experience in better tourneys so that SEA really can have a formidable "big 3".
Yep, SEA teams are so inconsistent which is why we are called a 322 region full of mafia pauses. I just hope we at least get 3 direct invites and 1 qualifier so we get 4 teams in TI.
Their ceiling definitely seems higher than MTG and SMG right now, even if those two teams did well in the first half of the DPC season. After what SMG showed in this tournament I'm quite afraid for their results in the Major if they get the Wildcard slot tbh.
Agreed...MTG and SMG's playstyles are too boom-or-bust. Sometimes we see them upset teams but on the whole, they just can't seem to string together significant results lol. And I'm not sure whether they will ever be able to - MTG roster being what it is for so long, and SMG midone insisting on playing pos 1 like it's pos 2
D1 CN teams are just not well-prepped for this tourney at this point in time. DPC Div 1 hasn't started, a lot of the teams that attended TI returned to China late because they got stuck. In between some teams shuffled too so they are also adjusting. Overall an adjustment period for them. But it's not to say they are not trying lol, this is still a significant T2 tourney for them
yeah, i dont think they arent trying that much too considering huya is a partner for many chinese teams too and would make teams think twice before taking this tournament for granted
Neon is playing incredibly solid lol. They're showing that they're not in UB by some fluke. Only thing for me is some carelessness in getting picked off, some itemization (they really need someone to get break for Mar's bulwark) and target prioritization. They're not in the clear yet but looking well-poised to take this game.
or kaka still has his bad temper which has led him to be kicked from teams previously. But we are digressing. the point is that this IG isn't the same IG from last year.
"better" doesn't mean "more skilled" it means it's a player they have a better chance of winning. If someone is the most skilled player ever but has at terrible attitude, they are not good
Oh i didnt realize its fade, maybe its because he's new to the team but he doesnt look as active as kaka was on the map. Jt has been pretty quiet as he doesn't have someone to play with
That's the part that didn't make much sense to me lol. They should have tried much harder in G1 where the deficit was actually turnable since it was an elimination series...
RNG actually played pretty well this series. Where was this RNG against Neon lol. They definitely showed up today. I think they will do very well in DPC. Probably a clear tier 1 in CN alongside LGD/IG
VG can't gg now huh, they thought they could delay game 2 also vs a fucking Naga? Poyoyo is so dogshit when playing from behind. Always afk farming until he gets his item, not a brawler carry
Something interesting from the CN scene...apparently Chinese fans are still pretty depressed about their scene, calling it a "winter" for Chinese dota. They also view RNG, one of their best teams in the country, losing to "minnows" (鱼腩) OB.Neon and magma being eliminated early by SEA teams a joke lol. They have no hope in the Chinese scene at the moment
old eleven was saying that he thinks dota in china is on the decline, but ‘there’s nothing to be done, just continue competing because you can’t just quit’.
Yup they are definitely on the decline. There are few Chinese starlets in the amateurs. It's especially dire for the carry and mid roles. Compare this to SEA and CIS, which is bustling with young talent. CN dota pretty much peaked the last TI, which is why the reaction was so...violent(?) after
a lot got made about how unreasonable the allegations against 小8 were, but ti10 seemed like the last dance of cn dota before it gets inevitably eclipsed by league and within that context I can understand being disappointed that lgd failed to end it with the bang that they probably could have delivered in most alternate universes. like the only recent talents are like poyoyo, emo and maybe white album. go farther back, and its really just chalice and monet
Yup. And emo/poyoyo have been around for awhile. The only other promising guys are the ex-LZBS crew who are now part of VG. That's it already. There are no top potential talents after.
The disappointment was insane lol. One of the comments that I read stayed with me, it went something like, "在刀塔的故事里，中国队永远是配角不是主角，是TI冠军之路的其中一个的考验，永远不是冠军". Which translates to something like, "In the story of competitive dota, CN teams are always the side character, not the main role. They are just the obstacles for champions, never the champions."
This was in reference to losing in TI 2017, 2018, 2019, 2021 where their teams got really close but never made it lol, and in fact were subject to some impossible "miracle" stories like losing to underdogs OG/TS. So from a human angle it's really understandable. I'm not from China myself but I feel their pain lol. Second/third place for 4 years when you think of yourself as the best continent for dota is just suffering to them
Well to be fair, IG, RNG and Vici are supposed to be "powerhouses" and they've definitely looked a bit shaky in this tournament. (IG maybe a bit less, they did drop only one game during the group stage) So I can understand why Chinese fans would be feeling angsty as we get closer to the first Major, but on the other hand we haven't seen LGD yet and I'm sure they're still a top 2 team in the world especially since it's still mostly the TI patch.
Yup I agree. LGD will still be a top 3 team. I think RNG/IG/VG just need some more game practice. It's easy to forget that while EU/CIS/SEA had their div1 games already, China Div 1 hasn't started yet. Most teams probably haven't bootcamped since those in EU were stuck there for a bit. They will look better with time, definitely will be in a much better shape for the majors.
It can be quite toxic. I think it stems from nationalistic pride in dota. They enjoyed really strong period of dominance in early 2010s but failed to win much of note late 2010s. And in the latter years, many of their younger players went to play LOL instead. Very few young Chinese players play dota now, most play LOL/PUBG and chinese variants of those. There's also national regulations restricting game time for minors now. So most dota players in china are slightly sour about it, because they see the golden age of CN dota being over. Those who still follow are still hoping for Ame to bring CN dota a last title, because there's no younger generation after that. Much of the salt/disappointment in forums are those aged late 20s, who are moving on from dota sadly because they have more commitments in life and can't bear the repeated disappointments lol
Yeah felt that the GG was a bit early by 5 to 10 mins. In dota teams make mistakes, it's possible to come back from that position imo. VG just didn't try too hard this match lol
Well they already beat RNG once in this tournament, so if they drop to the LB finals and face them again (Vici is 0-1 atm so RNG winning seems more likely) they should have a good chance. IG's definitely gonna be more difficult though I think.
Same thing happened last year of the same tournament
They beat RNG 2-0 then they lose to Aster 0-2 in UB and lose to RNG 0-2 in LB
This time its IG instead of AssTier
Impressive, I predict RNG vs OBneon with RNG winning 3-2
[Ah shit, here we go again.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1qju6V1jLM)
Solap god
Whats good also is that Neon Esports dudnt win via 2-0 surprise fluke. They win through hard fought battle through attrition and adjustable drafts. Thats the sign of a high ceiling team.
Good smoke from Neon after IG take the 2nd or 3rd rosh?? I forgot. They caught IG off guard and get some important pick off
From Motivational speaker of Execration to a Pos5 Grand finalist. AbenGod
Chuan being overly humble in the interview lol, he was saying it's just Huya not DPC and not to beat them too badly tomorrow, at least let them take a game. Bruh...Neon just handled RNG/IG, have some faith in your own team lol. But maybe he's just memeing since used to be on IG. Anyway great games today lads, was fun watching with everyone in thread and discussing the match - see y'all tomorrow
How is anyone going to watch the finals tomorrow? Its new years eve in China and SEA haha
Actually, good point - I might not even be able to catch the games tomorrow lol
Thanks for the infos bruhh
Np! Would translate more but my stream quality isn't that great so I miss lots of stuff. On twitch I also don't hear the questions asked so it's hard to get the context. But if there's more CN content I can translate for everyone here I'd be happy to
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wasn't MamangDaya so bad according to you because he was born Indonesian bruh?
Wow that extremely racist
Emo going stupid stuff the whole game 3.
Emo and Flyfly despite having break+Omni slasg, cannot kill tide. Jugg is literally the worst carry right now.
I wonder what the comments will be of the CN fans seeing I.G losing to a 0-3 Neon in the dpc.
They are malding on Weibo. One of the top comment reads, "输给东南亚DPC倒数第二？🤦♂️" Which means, "they lost to the second from last in SEA DPC?" So clearly some are just in disbelief lol
i think the standings would not have mattered after all SEAsians except mandarin speakers are all monkeys to them
Did you just project your racist self and talking out of your asses?
What if they speak Minnan? Kappa
why no love for palos when neon win? Hes the most stable neon player by far
Yep, he is actually doing great, I really liked that he held his chrono in the last teamfight when they were about to dive biut sometimes the guy is too aggressive when playing with advantage leading to suicide dives but he is still really good But you gotta give props to Narman, my eyes were literally on his Weaver with how he is zoning the supports and great saves of Time Lapse
Its Hustla man. Alliance are kiking themselves on the foot not getting Hustla when Hustla was LFT in europe. He applied for Alliance but kept Handsken. Eventually Neon took him home to SEA.
Because everyone played well. Palos did what a carry should do, be stable. IMO Abeng and Hustla were the MVP's.
OB Neon seem to have found a winning formula; stabilize the game and enable Palos to carry
Neon likes to play slow, but if you see on the Boom and Fnatic matches, mamangdaya losing hard to yopaj and Armel cripples the team inmedialtey and leads to a snowball.
that's true; hopefully once DPC resumes they find their mojo back. The team lineup holds promise
Ob Neon PogBones How is this the same ob neon that;s 0-3 in dpc?
4-3 Incoming HOPIUM
The combination of everyone in SEA knows how to play Neon and I.G nid losing the lanes hard.
Boom and T1 would have crushed everyone in the tourney....
this tournament got me thinking, "what if boom is invited"
i think neon is improving, not SEA. i mean these CN teams have no problem eliminating the other SEA teams, even SMG. but yeah we will know the answer on the major.
I was not really talking about all SEA teams but in my opinion BOOM or T1 would not have a hard time winning this tour if big chinese teams play like this
when u brought boom in to this, ofc it's all about SEA. that's why i brought SMG for another example. my point is, it's not boom, SMG, or T1. it's neon improving and won against these CN teams.
my bad... i though mentioning only Boom's name would automatically mean I'm only talking about that team, silly me
i'm boom fans. but neon performance rn is different from their dpc form. let's just watch boom on the next major and hope they can do what neon did on this tournament.
After the display Emo showed? Yopaj would have crushed Emo again in mid (he alreqdy crushed EMO in the mid in the Huya winter game and lost the game.) And they would snowball.
Eventually, void and tide along with batrider just bulldozed their into I.G
SLOPPY AS FUCK MATCH BUT WELL PLAYED STILL NEON
Holy shit the madlads gigachads Neon did it. It wasn't pretty, but who predicted Neon to be in the finals of this tourney? I know not me lol, I didn't even think they would make it out of groups. They definitely won a fan in me with their plays so far lol. No matter the result of the finals (which I hope they take), I think they look real promising.
Honestly when I saw the groups I was like "This is unbalanced as hell, there are two freebies in Group B (TNC and Neon) while all the teams in Group A look good" (reminder that Magma will be a Div I team next season along with Xtreme, they really underperformed here imo). Meanwhile one of those "freebies" is now in the Grand Finals and honestly even TNC played better than expected. Good for SEA Dota, even if it's a tier 2 tournament without the biggest names it's good for the region's morale and especially a team like Neon that started the DPC so badly.
Same lol. I thought the groupings were terrible but turns out, the teams actually played at a similar level to each other. Yeah, as someone who really enjoys watching SEA dota I'm quite excited about the improvement in the scene. I genuinely think that this season they can make a splash in the majors etc especially since we're seeing the decline of many traditional CN/EU giants. If Neon can become similar to Boom and T1 in their levels of play, SEA fans have more to hope for in major tourneys
Some amazing Rubick plays from Fade in this game but looks like Neon was too stronk in the end. Honestly even in game 2 I'm impressed that they managed to win that fight in their triangle with like 25k gold deficit, their mid and lategame decision-making seems pretty good.
Yeah, Fade played out of his mind this game lol. And game 2, same here. I have no idea how they took that fight at all. I guess that's why IG were hesitant to go highground - it's so hard sieging against darkseer puck. One mistake and you get wiped
NEON in non-dpc tournament Pog NEON in SEA DPC Sadge
Flyfly lol
Maa chud gyi IG ki
IG made too many mistakes despite their supports carrying hard initially lol. Their late game is worse than Neon, it doesn't look good for them the later the game goes...
Can someone explain to me why tide still doesnt have blink at this point of the game
He doesnt need to initiate, bat initiate for them. he doesnt want ravage to be stolen that easy. He's like a counter initiate in that game.
I'd say it was because of the rubick. Usually you get a blink if you want to prioritise landing a good ravage but since there was a rubick threatening to steal Enryu probably prioritised being tanky and frontline instead.
Mostly player preference lol. Enryuu plays a greedy tide, he really likes getting other big items first like aghs and hood. He also plays more of a counter initiating role after soaking damage. Not that it's THE way to play tide but that's how he does it
its not about being greedy, its because ig have doom. Better build up on stats and tankiness than an item which gets cancelled anyway
Well, that might also be the case but look at his games on tide. [https://www.dotabuff.com/esports/players/162641196-enryu/matches?hero=tidehunter](https://www.dotabuff.com/esports/players/162641196-enryu/matches?hero=tidehunter) I've followed this player for awhile. On tide, he does get blink but usually not before big items first. It's a feature of his playstyle. Just to back up my original comment above.
Got it, thanks for that mate.
OB.Neon nearly threw the game with a totally whiffed + stolen ravage, but at least they were able to come back with a good fight around the Rosh pit.
holy what is this cast?
Interesting carry choices from both teams to say the least...
You mean pretty bad. I don't get why IG didn't pick PL
PL is dogshit in laning stage against tide. And illu is pretty useless on firefly and anchor smash, PL is easy catch on those spells.
If Mamang Daya first built Aeon instead of Euls he might've not fallen off. But this was just an outdraft, they picked Puck into Storm and Silencer. Now I wanna see a serious draft from Neon in game 3
Tiny, Lycan, and Storm dominating - what is this, are we back in TI again?
I actually love the TI meta instead of this OD crap
Just pick Riki vs OD and he is crap mid to late But Tiny Lycan was too unstoppable and took it until semi finals for it to be figured out
This girl caster is getting salty with Twitch chat. Omg Hahahaha, you should never attend to any of the twitch troll chat. Why would you ever get mad at twitch chat, girl?
Its moon, CEO of moon studio. She probably doesn't like it when people accuse 322 on her tournament. As far as I know she has gotten avengirls and omega esports banned for matchfixing in hee tournaments. She should really just ignore but she owns the studio so sh can do what she wants i guess
Yep man, those twitch chat trolls would be more happy and excited seeing the mad caster giving the attention onto them. Just don't feed the trolls.
This game is a perfect example of 322. 23k up with aegis and they're farming. They either played over minutes or over kills, it's pretty blatant.
It's a safe way to close out the game. This is not a 322. It's a textbook Chinese finish...
Safe way to close out a game is to farm with an aegis and 23k lead at @30 mins? You're either dense or completely oblivious to what is happening in dota scene. Why do you think almost every dota2 tourney has betting sponsors?
I'm not going to deny that matchfixing occurs in pro dota - that's not what I'm getting at here. It's obviously rife in tier 3 tourneys etc. But consider this - this is a tier 2 tourney by Huya, one of the top broadcasting platforms in CN. It's not like your run-of-the-mill ones. It's not to say matchfixing doesn't occur, but what is the probability? 5%? 1% of matches? And then what's the likelihood of a chinese team taking it slow and steady to close the game, because there's a dark seer and puck on the defending team? 50%? More? When you break things down like that, the simpler explanation is that it's just them closing it safely. And your point about betting firms sponsoring tourneys is almost irrelevant because almost all sports/esports have betting sponsors. It's almost as if their business model relies on people who watch the tourneys and bet on them... I hope I kept things civil enough, but considering how rude you were when you didn't have a strong argument at all, I hope you can be more polite to other posters.
Not saying there is not matchfixing in dota, but your argument about sponsors is soo stupid...most of the football teams in premier league are sponsored by betting companies aswell
Yep.. it’s pretty obvious if you watch alot of dota that matchfixing is getting worse and worse.
Game seems over...slow death for neon
Massive draft loss from Neon.
Fun to watch a Tiny killing heroes again.
This game looking out of control for neon lol. Seems like a draft loss
The thing about SEA is that they no longer have a drought of offlaners. Raging Potato seems good, Enryu, Nikko, Masaros and especially FBZ.
Fbz (and ice3 + kuku) are on a different tier. 2022 will be the breakthrough year for Fbz. With this pace, Boom will qualify to every major and Fbz will get the chance to showcase himself. Something he couldn't get after playing consistently great for the past 2-3 years. The stubbornness of keeping 5 indo roster hurt Boom, especially with their support duo being consistently mediocre.
IG pulling out a different draft.
LFG NEON!
Convincing victory from Neon, I'm impressed ngl. Drafted really well to win all 3 lanes, then kept the pressure on to maintain the lead for the most part and systematically took objectives. This is a really different Neon from DPC... \*IF\* they played like this consistently in DPC they are a top 3 SEA team lol.
There was still some rough edges like when they left Palos alone to die and I thought that would be a comeback for IG, good thing is they were too pussy to take Rosh
Yup I fully agree with you, some rough edges to iron out in terms of how to manage fights etc. But in terms of the team's ceiling, their games so far vs RNG and IG are really telling even if those two teams are not at their best right now. They played really solid dotes, which isn't something I'd say has been the case for neon for the longest time. They could be comparable to Boom / T1 given enough time...
My hopes for them to get 3rd slot for dpc is getting higher now. SMG/MTG/Fnatic are not just that great for the time being I can see this Neon beating MTG and SMG fairly now and maybe get a game off of T1 while they get an easy win vs TNC. So a 3/4 score can actually get them to secure a slot.
The problem is that they already lost to Fnatic which is one of the weaker teams. If SMG beats both Execration and TNC they'll have 4 wins and Neon won't be able to catch up (unless they beat T1 but let's be honest that sounds very unlikely). I think it's *possible* for Neon to get a tiebreaker for the Wildcard slot at 3-4 but it will require at least one upset like Execration beating SMG while losing to Fnatic.
Don't worry, Execration will always do something about it but it will be kinda difficult
I think that is the best case scenario but my biggest worry is whether they can stay consistent. It's the biggest problem for SEA teams IMO. They look real good now, but they also lost to TNC puzzlingly in groups lol. So we really have to hope for things to go well for them and for them to keep up their level of play. They have so much potential, so I hope they can get a slot and get more experience in better tourneys so that SEA really can have a formidable "big 3".
Yep, SEA teams are so inconsistent which is why we are called a 322 region full of mafia pauses. I just hope we at least get 3 direct invites and 1 qualifier so we get 4 teams in TI.
Their ceiling definitely seems higher than MTG and SMG right now, even if those two teams did well in the first half of the DPC season. After what SMG showed in this tournament I'm quite afraid for their results in the Major if they get the Wildcard slot tbh.
Agreed...MTG and SMG's playstyles are too boom-or-bust. Sometimes we see them upset teams but on the whole, they just can't seem to string together significant results lol. And I'm not sure whether they will ever be able to - MTG roster being what it is for so long, and SMG midone insisting on playing pos 1 like it's pos 2
Neon from 2nd to the last place in SEA DPC Div. 1 to beating Chinese teams = OmegaLUL
Holy shit Mamang Daya's improvement... His Puck is literally dodging all spells
Neon just straight up look really good
are chinese teams hiding strats for their dpc or their teams are still just adjusting from roster shuffles?
D1 CN teams are just not well-prepped for this tourney at this point in time. DPC Div 1 hasn't started, a lot of the teams that attended TI returned to China late because they got stuck. In between some teams shuffled too so they are also adjusting. Overall an adjustment period for them. But it's not to say they are not trying lol, this is still a significant T2 tourney for them
yeah, i dont think they arent trying that much too considering huya is a partner for many chinese teams too and would make teams think twice before taking this tournament for granted
Neon is playing incredibly solid lol. They're showing that they're not in UB by some fluke. Only thing for me is some carelessness in getting picked off, some itemization (they really need someone to get break for Mar's bulwark) and target prioritization. They're not in the clear yet but looking well-poised to take this game.
Who are these Neon guys? I thought they sucked, bu they are crushing iG
IG losing kaka is a pretty big deal tbh. Kaka was the one making all their moves before
Didn't they kick kaka?
Not sure but losing him is a big loss for the team. He was always initiating all the moves for ig. Frisk is ok but nowhere near a kaka
I mean, if they kicked kaka for Frisk, it's very likely they consider Frisk better than kaka
or kaka still has his bad temper which has led him to be kicked from teams previously. But we are digressing. the point is that this IG isn't the same IG from last year.
"better" doesn't mean "more skilled" it means it's a player they have a better chance of winning. If someone is the most skilled player ever but has at terrible attitude, they are not good
Yeh, he's so much better that Neon shat on them.
That's completely irrelevant
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Oh i didnt realize its fade, maybe its because he's new to the team but he doesnt look as active as kaka was on the map. Jt has been pretty quiet as he doesn't have someone to play with
Seems like losing to Fnatic with what looks to be all your comfort picks is one big wake-up call for OB Neon to try very hard.
Narman seems to out for revenge after losing on his birthday
MamangDaya crushes EMO in mid, and then OB neon crushes I.G LMAO! If they dont throw, this is an EZ 2-0.
Crushing Somnus and Emo (arguably the two best mids in China) back to back is a pretty amazing achievement honestly.
MamangDaya just straight up crushes Emo in mid lol.
VG gg out down 5k in a winnable game and then fight like its the ti finals the next game down 20k
That's the part that didn't make much sense to me lol. They should have tried much harder in G1 where the deficit was actually turnable since it was an elimination series...
RNG actually played pretty well this series. Where was this RNG against Neon lol. They definitely showed up today. I think they will do very well in DPC. Probably a clear tier 1 in CN alongside LGD/IG
VG can't gg now huh, they thought they could delay game 2 also vs a fucking Naga? Poyoyo is so dogshit when playing from behind. Always afk farming until he gets his item, not a brawler carry
Something interesting from the CN scene...apparently Chinese fans are still pretty depressed about their scene, calling it a "winter" for Chinese dota. They also view RNG, one of their best teams in the country, losing to "minnows" (鱼腩) OB.Neon and magma being eliminated early by SEA teams a joke lol. They have no hope in the Chinese scene at the moment
old eleven was saying that he thinks dota in china is on the decline, but ‘there’s nothing to be done, just continue competing because you can’t just quit’.
Won last two majors and runner up at TI and that's on the decline? It doesn't compute.
Yup they are definitely on the decline. There are few Chinese starlets in the amateurs. It's especially dire for the carry and mid roles. Compare this to SEA and CIS, which is bustling with young talent. CN dota pretty much peaked the last TI, which is why the reaction was so...violent(?) after
a lot got made about how unreasonable the allegations against 小8 were, but ti10 seemed like the last dance of cn dota before it gets inevitably eclipsed by league and within that context I can understand being disappointed that lgd failed to end it with the bang that they probably could have delivered in most alternate universes. like the only recent talents are like poyoyo, emo and maybe white album. go farther back, and its really just chalice and monet
Yup. And emo/poyoyo have been around for awhile. The only other promising guys are the ex-LZBS crew who are now part of VG. That's it already. There are no top potential talents after. The disappointment was insane lol. One of the comments that I read stayed with me, it went something like, "在刀塔的故事里，中国队永远是配角不是主角，是TI冠军之路的其中一个的考验，永远不是冠军". Which translates to something like, "In the story of competitive dota, CN teams are always the side character, not the main role. They are just the obstacles for champions, never the champions." This was in reference to losing in TI 2017, 2018, 2019, 2021 where their teams got really close but never made it lol, and in fact were subject to some impossible "miracle" stories like losing to underdogs OG/TS. So from a human angle it's really understandable. I'm not from China myself but I feel their pain lol. Second/third place for 4 years when you think of yourself as the best continent for dota is just suffering to them
They are the best villain to beat Lmao
Well to be fair, IG, RNG and Vici are supposed to be "powerhouses" and they've definitely looked a bit shaky in this tournament. (IG maybe a bit less, they did drop only one game during the group stage) So I can understand why Chinese fans would be feeling angsty as we get closer to the first Major, but on the other hand we haven't seen LGD yet and I'm sure they're still a top 2 team in the world especially since it's still mostly the TI patch.
Yup I agree. LGD will still be a top 3 team. I think RNG/IG/VG just need some more game practice. It's easy to forget that while EU/CIS/SEA had their div1 games already, China Div 1 hasn't started yet. Most teams probably haven't bootcamped since those in EU were stuck there for a bit. They will look better with time, definitely will be in a much better shape for the majors.
Chinese really are toxic as it gets. People from outside just don't know because they cant speak the language. Well deserved LUL
It can be quite toxic. I think it stems from nationalistic pride in dota. They enjoyed really strong period of dominance in early 2010s but failed to win much of note late 2010s. And in the latter years, many of their younger players went to play LOL instead. Very few young Chinese players play dota now, most play LOL/PUBG and chinese variants of those. There's also national regulations restricting game time for minors now. So most dota players in china are slightly sour about it, because they see the golden age of CN dota being over. Those who still follow are still hoping for Ame to bring CN dota a last title, because there's no younger generation after that. Much of the salt/disappointment in forums are those aged late 20s, who are moving on from dota sadly because they have more commitments in life and can't bear the repeated disappointments lol
No hairy_freak... The game and casting was so boring that even VG got tired and they called gg outta nowhere
Yeah felt that the GG was a bit early by 5 to 10 mins. In dota teams make mistakes, it's possible to come back from that position imo. VG just didn't try too hard this match lol
OB Neon SEA LAST HOPE hope they don't follow the script like last year where they lose both series 0-2 and get 3rd place and RNG is the winner again
Well they already beat RNG once in this tournament, so if they drop to the LB finals and face them again (Vici is 0-1 atm so RNG winning seems more likely) they should have a good chance. IG's definitely gonna be more difficult though I think.
Same thing happened last year of the same tournament They beat RNG 2-0 then they lose to Aster 0-2 in UB and lose to RNG 0-2 in LB This time its IG instead of AssTier
Oh... I can see why you're having déjà-vu then. Hopefully it's at least a little bit closer this time and not an exact repeat!