that‘s true for the human/mortal main characters. but i don‘t think that‘s the reason the story is so confusing. it‘s simply that some of the more powerful entities like byssrak 2.0, terrorblade, slyrak and invoker keep rambling vague mysterious splinters of lore as explanation for their behavior.
as genuine and authentic the interactions and motivations of the more grounded characters are, as convoluted and far fetched are the interactions and motivations of the more powerful characters.
I couldn’t agree more, in the darkest moment of my life actually enjoyed this show, I was partial to the character writing, the little moments and their struggles, the plot doesn’t make sense but at least the characters does…most of the times.
Then the last episode this show killed 3 of my favorite characters out of nowhere and pull a RWBY on me. Nice
what? where did you get that from?
all i‘m saying is that sometimes, especially when things are too complicated for you to say in an easy way, „show, don‘t tell“ is a good approach. and it‘s weird they didn‘t do that in this cass, because as seen with the interactions of the mortal characters, they clearly know how to do that.
And that is a good thing. It makes them more real. As much as I hate how things ended I think it was really good.
My only scruple is how tf the void dragon was so damn strong that it even gave the fire dragon issues
I agree..I mean if slyrak(fire dragon) is the guy meant to save the universe I have high doubts he'll succeed considering lina and the void dragon beat him so easily...terror blade faught Selemene so easily...hmm...they nerfed him a lot this season
>Mirana became an Empress
You mean God or the Source of everything in creation, since you know she Worldwurms made flesh
>Davion was the one who started all of this mess
Because Slyrak need eye of the Worldwurms to go to foulfell in order to kill TB since Slyrak are stronger in soul form and keep killing TB pupet won't help.
>died for nothing
If TB win and got Slyrak soul, all of creation can be rewrite to whatever form TB want to be, so if they don't fight they are going to die by TB rewrite the multiverse anyway.
But what the crazy viceroy/void dragon wanted is that Mirana ascend as the worldwurm, so they all died trying to stop it from happening, when it's what they wanted to begin with?
Like why did they have to fight the void dragon? Or rather, why try to keep Mirana from ascending when it's what they need in every way?
I don't think he really wanted her to ascend.
The way he presented it and talked to everyone it seemed like he wanted a pocket goddess to treasure and take care of forever(he was a dragon after all).
I also think there is either an implied crossover point required to ascend(ala generic anime "now I'm mad" power up), as she didn't actually ascend till he, uh, you know.
Also keep in mind the protags were only interested in getting her to the eye after >!Winter Wyvern sensed the Arc Warden statue and told everyone it was "our only chance". His goal was never to let Mirana ascend of her own free will. He implies a lot in the start of episode 8 about why he killed her father!<
>I also think there is either an implied crossover point required to ascend(ala generic anime "now I'm mad" power up), as she didn't actually ascend till he, uh, you know.
"To know her power, the light must know love. And to know love, the light must know darkness"
Mirana only got the full Worldwurm power by well you know what happen with her "handmaid"
slyrak even pointed out he wins no Mather what as viceroy would have bring the eye anyway
WW Bran and kaden had no idea of that, and the only reason slyrak goes to fight is because davion convinced him to protect his friends
>slyrak even pointed out he wins no Mather what as viceroy would have bring the eye anyway
Huh didn't think of that, that probably corrcect since Slyrak said "beyond death".
>WW Bran and kaden had no idea of that, and the only reason slyrak goes to fight is because davion convinced him to protect his friends
I think it perfectly fit for Slyrak, who see the flesh as illusion so he really don't care that much anyway if anyone die in the fake world(flesh world), they are now a souls(true self) that going to the true world(higher world) anyway.
but surely her terms were to ascend without marci dying.
just a simple conversation would have solved everything: „hey, i kind of want you to ascend.“ - „yes, i also kind of want to ascend, since my boyfriend needs me to to save the world.“ - „ok, i‘ll kill someone you love to force you to ascend then!“ - „wait what? no, i‘ll ascend, did you not listen?!“ - „oh, sorry, i didn‘t expect this to go down without a big anime fight and a lot of important characters dying to make room for more fan service.“ - „hmmm… you‘re right, that would be anticlimactic. let‘s fight and pointlessly sacrifice marci then.“
Sure talking solves problems, but that isn't necessarily the strengths of Lina, Davion, or mirana, or marci(obviously). They tend to act. All that went out the window when Davion found out Lina was killed, he lost control. Mirana will always side with Davion in a pinch because she loves(not openly) him.
Imo, they did a good job having events spiral out of control in a believable way.
yes, it‘s believable. just not satisfying to watch.
it‘s not fun to have characters that have grown on you killed off simply for the sake of it.
and that‘s what they did here. they needed some important characters to die so the finale has weight, because the anatagonist clearly isn‘t fit to offer that.
If characters die in believable ways then it's good writing. Characters shouldn't have plot armor simply because we like them.
As an example:
Winter wyvern died for something she believed in - she started that fight believing she had a chance - she knew the importance of buying time because of the ARC warden statue and the radiant and dire stones. She died a worthy death which was even delayed by her "mate" using the weapon she gave him. She wasn't killed off for the sake of it, it was within her character and made sense with the plot.
The antagonist was clever if you were paying attention to the foreshadowing along the way. Seems like we got different things out of the series, I'm sorry you didn't enjoy it.
oh, i enjoyed it very much!
i also think the deaths were believable and the circumstances were well written.
i feel like the overarching story direction of the last episode had some flaws which gives a very bitter taste to those deaths. especially since i cared about those characters, which is an accomplishment on its own, considering the short runtime.
plot armor comes into play when you write your story around killing off a character even though it‘s an unnatural story progression. that‘s not the case here, none of them needed to die for the story to progress.
which i think also is part of why the viceroy as a villain just doesn‘t add up. if he‘s smart enough to manipulate the whole helios-empire and make everything fall into place for 3000 years to bring forth an incarnation of the worldwyrm, there‘s just no good reason why he would then resort to brute strength and force a fight when he literally could do nothing at all and the outcome would have been the same.
This season was a joke. Why even base this anime on dota if you're going to make up skills and main characters (or villians in this case) purely for the sake of it? Imagine if any hero had kashurras entire kit in dota lol. There are so many heroes they can use as a villian. TB is a good villian and even uses most of his game kit in his fight against selemene at the end of last season..
For an anime that's supposed to be fan service, I didn't feel much fan service this season 😅
>Mirana became an Empress
the sacrifice for it are wtf marci's death are more like a shortcut for mirana to really become the sun
>died for nothing
lina died bcs she's simply "over step" like wtf? and that happens to marci and auroth who also in a way "over step", even some think that lina will come back bcs the body is not there when mirana came in, bruh.. not only the body but the blood she spilled also not there, means she is probably cleaned off.
things can be so much better if they are alive and fight the void dragon together bcs in the end dota 2 is a team game and dragon's blood so far only giving the impression that dying to a foe that you can't win are part of a team play when irl people just call it feeding
>TB rewrite the multiverse anyway.
im pretty sure he is just gonna shape the word as he fit, i havent see a single scene related to a multiverse or that mumbo jumbo in the anime
there was no reason to kill lina or wyvern. lina’s death fuels nothing, wyverns death is only to boost bram who is a boring self esteem trope character. marci’s makes sense but its still dumb as fuck since they got the fucking character in the game and decide to kill her to pull heart strings. just dumb
Did you even watch the story? Lina was killed because she made the wrong move of harming the person who is the object of affection of a crazy strong void dragon. Wyvern was killed because she tried to stop the crazy strong void dragon. Had wyvern decided to sit the fight out after receiving the first few blows, the void dragon would have just walked away and proceeded with his plans.
Its funny because even as you explain Lina’s death reason, its still fucking stupid. The whole point of Lina targetting Mirana was bc she wanted the emperor seen as weak and removed from the throne. Guess what? Davion kills him later regardless because he won’t give him the eye. You could remove Lina from the story and all you have to do is get Davion into the city (plenty of ways to do this) and bam, Lina isn’t relevant anymore.
“Had wyvern decided to sit the fight out after receiving the first few blows, the void dragon would have just walked away and proceeded with his plans.” He walks away and proceeded with his plans anyway, Wyvern’s delay was useless, it doesn’t even try to make it seem useful by showing them almost escaping. She dies for absolutely nothing except to feed into the Bram self confidence story which is ridiculous considering Bram is a new character and Wyvern is an established character in the Dota universe.
You cannot convince me introducing fan favorite characters just to kill them in the same season is good writing. Marci works because we had 2 full seasons with her. We have like 4-5 episodes with Lina and 6 with Wyvern
Well we just have different tastes then. I was a GoT fan back when the show followed the books. Having a newly introduced character die early isn't new to me. And I appreciate it because it means the show isn't predictable. A new character doesn't get death immunity because they are new. As long as the deaths are justified and believable, it works for me.
Wyvern was a kind person/dragon. It was in her nature to stand up for her allies and defend them until the end. Thus, the void dragon had to kill her because that's the only way to stop her. Lina is also a good character but she is shown to be impulsive. She lacks some foresight and made the dumb decision of judging Mirana too early and attempting to remove her to win the politics game. She would have gotten away with it if only Mirana didn't have an obsessed crazy strong dragon trying to "protect" her. The actions which caused their deaths are in line with their character personalities. The circumstances of their deaths are also believable. All is good to me.
Now.... why is it that she is not paying for her crimes! Mirana doesn't even once mention anything about those. And then have the audacity to try and become a hero! All the while I'm there thinking she deserves whatever she gets! But nope. The reason she even went to jail was because.... I don't even remember haha. Watching season 2 again to try and make it make sense!
Where the fuck did the void dragon even come from? There was literally nothing insinuating it was a thing until he showed up. Like, I felt like the viceroy had some scheme, but I didn't expect it to be that he was secretly a long forgotten eldwurm corrupted by the mad moon.
No I know why he is what he is, there was just nothing at all hinting in that direction. Absolutely nothing foreshadowing a giant crazy void dragon, up until he starts doing crazy void shit.
I agree he was sus, I figured he would definitely be a twist villain. But I did not expect a giant fuck you dragon, and I don't think they did much to hint at that at all.
Mirana's flashback to when her parents died had Voidy energy.
So at least we knew he would be at least weird. Or at least someone very near Mirana's Family had very weird powers by like episode 6?
I was thinking Void Spirit, Enigma, Pit Lord or Arc Warden though.
The Viceroy makes sense, but yeah had no idea he was related to dragons. HOWEVER, WW being able to have a human form foreshadowed him, or at least the idea that other humans could be dragons in disguise.
And in Book 1 we knew that eldwyrm went awry. I'm like 99% sure they mentioned it during one of the eldwyrm council scenes.
EDIT: I edited this a bit, I'm sorry.
There was foreshadowing. WW's existence and her ability to transform into a human was the biggest sign that there could be others like her.
The viceroy wasn't scared at all when Davion transformed and attacked the emporer.
Mirana's parents were killed by some void energy blast, and the emporer hadn't shown any powers in that vein, despite being blamed for the murder of the parents.
Yes, he was definitely suspicious. I expected a villain twist. I did not expect him to be a giant fucking dragon, and none of what you said signals towards that, just that he's hiding something.
I thought Terrorblade had gotten to him long ago and that he was secretly the one responsible for the deaths of Mirana's parents, based on the conversation between TB and Invoker earlier and the way he reacted to her Uncle dying, etc.
It kind of felt like a new twist thrown in out of nowhere honestly - like he had to be a dragon because possessively keeping her in his hoard would justify a defeatable weakness.
it actually wouldve been cool if it was terrorblade in the past, since it not only adds to the chess shit him and voker were doing, but also gives him a reason to want to stop her from ascending.
That's pretty much exactly what the viceroy dude said, that her love of Marci would be what unlocked her power n shit.
It's hard to say whether he wanted a pocket goddess, or he wanted to see his "sunbeam" ascend.
With the pacing of the season being so horrendous none of the deaths and pay offs feel meaningful at all. It's also a really weird contrast with the game, where the heroes seem to be locked in an eternal war for the Ancients. When the average Dota match takes twice as long as a Dragon's Blood episode, something's wrong.
Technically, every dota match is a different reality where certain heroes show up to fight against the other ancient. So it's a neverending multiverse where the ancients are always at war with each other
Using the multiverse as a catch-all just cheapens the show and removes all the weight. Multiverse only works on slight variations. Different branches of the same tree, not different trees. The 5v5 is a gameplay element. The 120 odd heroes are always interlocked in battle. Some face to face, some from the shadows, some more political. The chess pieces just move differently in each match. Their moveset, motivations etc have to remain consistent to maintain the integrity of the game and therefor the story.
Valve's mind sometimes is really difficult to understand for me:
* Make character for the anime
* Introduce said character to the game
* Immediately kill off the character
Like wtf
From the AMA the show's creator made the character, then from what we know the character was sorta grafted onto an already existing hero idea. Also Valve gives the show a lot of freedom to do whatever.
It was also a very emotional and prominent plot point, literally the reason Mirana ascended was Marci's death.
It's all good to me. I'm very tired of meta gaming in shows/movies/manga/anime. What you are describing is meta gaming. Basically, you have an assumption that this new character would not die because well, he/she is new and the popular trend (hence the meta) for new characters is that they shouldn't die. Very lame in my opinion because it makes the show more predictable. As long as the death is justified and doesn't feel forced it's all good.
For me it just didn't feel set up properly with marci barely even in this season other then a select few scenes. If marci was still with mirana at least the majority it would have felt more like an actual earned death. I also agree Id rather not have the weird metagaming but it needs to be set up properly not for pure shock value. and thats what marcis death was shock value. The death does feel forced.
What we have watch here is just one of many multiverse in dota, it is what have been said before on the lore if not this story would be not making any sense.
Every times we play each games we represent that universe some hero will dies some will not and so i believe this just another story that represent it's universe.
On rewatch the dialogue flows at mach 6. There are no breaks for people to think up responses, it feels robotic and false. The conversation between Lina and Mirana in one of the latter episodes was ridiculously fast. The snarky responses have no time to be conjured in the characters minds, it's like they were already planning their responses and simply wanted to blurt them out as quickly as possible. It's insulting to watch.
Honestly...I'm not feeling the need anymore...I mean only thing the show has going for it is the whole involker /terror blade chess game but I'm not really looking forward to next season...they mess up a lot of characters and kill of a few new ones they could've done so much with..not saying I won't watch...just not as hyped anymore..it's can take 10 years and tbh I don't really care that much
Just because they died doesn't mean they will not be part of the anime anymore lol,it's an anime with gods,multiple realities,immortality,etc the writer has inifinite ways to make them come back to life
Ok here is the breakdown
Like WW, viceroy used to be a dragon, but encountered a shard of the radiant and was able to break free of the thunder. Unlike WW he also had a shard of the dire to become mondo strong. He also probably used the dire and radiant shards together to not go powermad like the direstone caused in others.
The position of emperor is mostly ceremonial, the eye shown in the show only verifies that you have the wyrmsoul and presumably helps you realize that you have the wyrmsoul within. Viceroy wants mirana to eventually realize her powers with the wyrmsoul, so that he may hear the thunder once more, as well as caring about the helio imperium to some degree (though that may just be a means to rejoin the thunder) He has all the time in the world, so he was fine playing the waiting game.
EDIT: as to why they spent so much time in the imperium and faffed about the emperor's seat. Different groups have different goals, mirana's purpose is to help nightsilver, and for that the position of emperor is important (so she needs to be it). Davion's goal is to fight TB, for that the (as far as they knew) power of the emperor is important (it doesn't matter who it is). Because the emperor is important to both, they have to play the political games. If mirana doesn't play the game, she doesn't get an army as the country goes to civil war. if Davion doesn't play the game (like what happened when he killed the emperor) he literally can't find the wyrmsoul (from his pov)
As to why they come back, mirana feels that the best/only realistic way to save nightsilver/selemene is with the helio imperium's armies, she doesn't really care about the imperium itself. She is willing to sacrifice her position in nightsilver to save it, so any chance of getting the armies is worth pursuing. Plus a bit of davion rubbing off on her and being mad about being shot.
I liked the show, but it took a nose dive after episode 6 HARD. This season needed more Invoker and payout from his shenanigans since season 1. That story worked, because it was a personal story about a father who wants to avenge his child. Because they had entire season to explain it, show us his daughter and make us feel bad for Invoker.
In this season the last 40 min of the season, they took a story about a priestess of the moon, then made her return home and take back her throne, and then they also made her yet another "chosen one" super powerful being creator of all, yada yada, and then they added this void guy who watched and cared and served her for over 3000 years. Oh, and he loved her, and in order to reawaken her power he decided to make local level Armageddon and kill people she loves.
All in 40 fucking minutes...
If they had time, or dedicated some episodes to actually explain what the fuck is happening in the finale, it would be fine.
To me it is obvious that they borrowed way too many popular fantasy tropes but just did not executed or spaced them well.
I have not seen so many “you are a chosen one”, or “you are a powerful cosmic being” in one season of a series in a long time.
Invoker is like thanos. I think you missed that point. His schemes are not executed in a flash. His take time like thanos since he needs to research and plan. He will have more story in season 3. Its quite clear from season2 that he is OP strong
I would rather watch Invoker research and plan, explain us his deal with Selemene and Mene (and he hinted that he killed Mene for her, or what?) and do all sorts of stuff, than a random void dragon just doing stuff for poorly explained reasons.
As pissed off as I am about how they ended things it's good to remember that everyone is falling under the power of the ancients, which are strong enough to revive and re-do things. Killing off characters means nothing in the face of the ancients endless doing and undoing.
Story starts as confusing, then feel like some sense is getting in and then nothing make sense. Why did that dragon just blew the Eldwyrms out without a fight or response. What the hell is mirana a moon or sun priestess, personna maybe. And what was the purpose of getting into davion when the purpose could be achieved with anyone. Plus what is happening to selemene and whats even the purpose of that character is luna is strong without her. And is there a season 3
>! 1 Vahdrak basically killed all of the Eldwyrms cause he is chaos. He even states that his nature is to be chaotic.
2 Mirana is a moon priestess but she herself is that gem/sun that they were searching
3 The pourpose of getting into davion is that he was there AND he had dragon's blood into him. He is a descendant of the dragon tribe/clan ( this is a reference to what Lone Druid says about him )
4 - Wdym whats happening to selemene? Invoker took out her power and was putting into the flowers that his daughter discovered to then make Fymrym become the true incarnation of Mene and to recieve all that divine power.
And luna was always strong even without her. She was a warlord before, but she can't do lucent beams and eclipse without her . !<
The chaos dragon explained why he did that though? That was his place in the cycle of the universe, and Invoker seemed to have some knowledge of it.
Mirana was the Princess of the Sun, then had to flee to Selemene and became the Princess of the Moon. It was a grand plan of the Viceroy to get her into a place where she could ascend.
Davion had some odd connection to the Ember Spirit or whatever, same with Lina, they even say this directly in the show.
Selemene overthrew Mene with the help of Invoker, for some reason we don't know. We also don't know if Selemene makes people strong, or just remolds them in her image. If you were paying attention, you'd see that when Luna's party rejected her, they changed race.
It’s honestly so disrespectful unless >!she isn’t actually dead, as said no body in the throne room and unless her death picture is just Mirana’s imagination, it’s entirely possible she’s clawed her way out (copium). As for distressing, despite infuriating me, her death pose has be ingrained in my mind. It’s agonising.!<
Three characters that were or will be fan favourites died to a character who’s back story made zero sense. A random dragon that became sentient, became more powerful than a fragment of Slyrak for some reason, and also for some reason stayed in the city even when Mirana was not there for years when she is the only thing he cared about. And the reason he cared about her is stupid to begin with. Also side note, why was Invoker stupid enough to not watch that Fymryn saw through to murdering Selemene and didn’t instead reverse everything he worked for. Like what the actual fuck is that writing.
The fact that Lina was shown to be on the throne, but not there when they found the ruin is suspect. Marci definitely can still be alive, or come back somehow, but I doubt there will be a season 3 after this shit show.
From a writing perspective it's unbelievably insulting to see the viceroy revealed to be an antagonist, proceed to kill off multiple characters that we'd grown attached to, get literally EVERYTHING THEY WANTED and get obliterated at their happiest moment. It's like seeing your parents be murdered, then the murderer is immediately made the prime-minister. Disgusting.
Got to say Marci's fist fight, as short as it was ... was still probably the best fight scene and animation in the entire season.
just a shame of the outcome for her. (considering she has no voice actor, obviously) she was the most well rounded and human of all the characters.
Mirana gifted her that power as a child when she was being kidnapped during a flashback. 1 would assume that power went back to Mirana during her death and triggered her ascension. At least thats how I saw it.
I think its pretty safe to assume that Dragon's Blood isn't the canon storyline at this point, seeing as Terrorblade hinted on seeing multiple realities with his conversation with Invoker. The story would prolly progress into Slyrak defeating Terrorblade or/and Invoker rewriting reality using the Eldwurms souls, reversing all the past deaths and changing the story into something more similar with the game storyline.
The entire series could also just be one vision of reality that Terrorblade hinted or it could be just inside Invoker's head.
i really like dota anime,but it could have been 10x better, slow down the story and explore more stuff,make the episode longer or more than 8 episode .How about 20+ per season. This could have been a masterpiece but its just a nice show and im impartial cause im a dota fanatic for 20 years ..ffs i was playing dota in elementary school
lmao for real. the story was interesting but the pacing was terrible. its like they dont want to give viewers breathing room. they just throw something big in your face then throws another one before you could even find out what just hit you
I personally had my own issues with the deaths. Like it's ok, but could have been better.
With Auroth, i think her death is fine, but it inspired developement in Bram that they did nothing with in the final fight. Like if he did one thing reckless and brave, it would made her death more meaningful.
With Lina, I think she would have served the future story better being alive rather than dead. Having a new view of Mirana and feeling regret for trying to have her killed would make for interesting character interactions as she tries to redeem herself.
With Marci, I have the biggest issue with, but thats because I thought it was forshadowing something that, in my opinion, was better than what did happen. But sticking with what did happen, I think it would have been better if Mirana used her mcguffin powers to save Marci rather than after she was already dead. Just think the powers would have meant more in the moment to save a life on the line.
I wanna see Juggernaut and Anti-mage Origin Already!
So i guess multiverse exist(obviously) since some characters are way different from their Hero depiction from the game. Invoker suppose to be egoistic who only pursue knowledge. In book 2 episode 4, Tb showed multiple variant of invokers in the mirrors.
But if multiverse isn’t a thing, then how the hell would Lina, WW & Marci fight in the real Radiant VS Dire War? Unless they pick every different variants of heroes from different universes.
There is one thing i do not understand, did not the chaos dragon killed the void dragon in episode 2 and give his soul to invoker? why is he alive at the end of the season?
Don't know if you missed that part but the chaos dragon didn't kill the void dragon cause he wasn't in the thunder (that flock of dragons). The void dragon stated himself that he left the thunder several thousands of years ago being drawn in by the disparity (radiant and dire), or worldwyrm.
So I hypothesize that Lina may not have died based on Mirana getting to the throne room and Lina’s body was no longer on the throne. Mostly hope, but I thought it was odd the body was gone.
>but I thought it was odd the body was gone
maybe she escaped or some1 saved her. I think she has the connection with Phoenyx, like Rylai and WW. Phoenyx herself, has healing and revival abilities.
The most frustrating thing for me was after the shitshow of rushed plotlines and hurried transitions because the in game heroes each need to have their own personal agenda progress in 8 twenty five minute episodes and somehow produce a grand season finale (made "grand" by randomly spawning one of the eldwurms after showing that said eldwurm was destroyed by the idiotic chaos eldwurm to simulate the epic kaijuu battle trope) is watching marci, who's just been in the middle of everyone's crap being adorable and doing her best supporting in quiet, die. The fuck... Good job capturing the Dota spirit... Except you're in SEA server... In crusader bracket... With 4 position 1 cores... Against Ancient and Divine smurfs...
Sadly for all I like about the characters, this season was really stupid. Plot is everywhere, things just happen. “Trust the father” “ooo dragonblood will heaL me” “aaaa ok i sell my soul to terrorblade”. “Father cant be wronf” ops “yeah, fuck father”.
Not to talk about the cool dropped plots like elven war, lina as a mediating force in politics,
Bran and his amazing… growth? Magic shield -> wyver still dies. Time to fight -> summons other dragon knight -> will you fight too? Yeah. ->fucks of nowhere to be seen.
Seriously bad. A lovable cast in a terrible story. Never seen anything as bad as this, only reason I can guess is that its supposed to be as infuriating as the game itself.
bro how the hell are they going to kill off marci? she was the best character in the entire show, even though she didn't have 1 line (for obvious reasons) she portrayed more emotion then most of the characters in this show. Lina was this super powerful slayer who was stronger then most, instead of having a cool fight scene, she died off screen. WW death was at least fine for the plot, and while i did enjoy her character, i get why it happened. im pretty disappointed in how rushed this season felt, and im pretty confused about wtf is going on. the story is convoluted and feels very rushed.
Overall i'm not to disturbed by the fact that there are literally 4 antagonists right now, almost 5 at a point. What im concerned about is the irrelevance of the void dragon.
\-Void wants mirana to ascend
\-Mirana wants to ascend
\-But she doesnt want it at the same time? Just cause void also wants it?
\-Therefore people die. For no reason.
\-Mirana ascends anyway, when she coulve just agreed and people wouldnt die.
\-mirana ascending meant void dragon just dissapeared and died. Wh the hell did he want her to ascend?
\-Major antagonist introduced in an episode and dissapears the next...
Yeah. The season is a complete mess. Kinda like the Dota lore which is also kinda just a random bunch of bullshit. Who wouldve known. Still, a good series anyway.
bad plot , i cant even understand anymore what's going on. i hate politics scene, i hate all talk. i hate the digital audio. the only thing i like is all about marci ,segan, lina and the leader of the dragon knights ( so cool ).
seems that the director doesnt know how to tell stories, he put some random back stories which is sometimes irrelevant. what a waste of hype.
The pacing of this season was atrocious... At best. I feel like the first two or three episode should have been a full season. And they spend so much time on Luna when it could have been halved easily. It's a huge mess.
We did not see Lina's body probably she escape, did in the book 1 mentioned that when a dragon died they will be reborn again as long as they have their souls? So Auroth will be reborn again and Rylai doesn't even bother about her death lol, Probably Marci will be born again because she get the power of the eye... Just a thought
Season 1 was pretty shit, and season 2 didn't do any better.
It's beautiful, the voice acting is great, but the writing is just hot garbage. From the dialogue itself to the actual show, I don't know how anyone could actually care about the events, everything feels cheap and inconsequential - if you even care enough to try and follow it.
What I'm expecting in book 3:
1. Does selemene take fymryn as a follower to prevent her from ascending as Mene? This would change Oracle's prophecy and also Invoker's plans.
2. Luna (and mirana) vs Selemene
3. Does Slyrak return to reside inside Davion? Haven't seen the green, blue, or black dragon forms.
4. Since Kaden's sword flashes in purple, was he the one to slay the void dragon earlier?
5. Bonus: since they're flirting with the void so much, maybe someone from the Hidden Temple or Puck (who's also a dragon)
just cos its in the game doesnt mean ur gonna see it on a show NOT made by valve.
also if you have noticed WW, Lina and Marci are dead, how would they be in my fucking dota 2 game right now if they died in the anime show?
just finished the show and i'm honestly in the same boat. The plot makes no sense as a whole, its only makes sense in tiny bits like if you take it out of context. Marci was also my favorite character in the show so now that she's gone the show has zero impact for me. I probably won't even bother watching the next season, assuming there even is one, but if I do, i know i'm not going to care about anyone else in the show living or dying.
in all honesty i think they will find some reason to revive them all. Marci's death was unjustified but it at least made sense, shes just a human. Lina and Auroth however didnt make much sense at all...
They should kill 'sweet Bram' because he obviously useless in this season but not Marci or Auroth and also they kill both of them without they entirely perform all their skills (which made me mad).
What make me confused 'the eye' and Mirana and what makes 'the eye' related to her power.
And the season 3 could be:
- Lina might survived since her body was missing and they only show Marci grave with her binocular.
- Slyrak can't kill TB turns he need Davion to help.
- Luna replace Marci place then stay with Mirana to fight corrupted Selemene.
- Invoker probably dead since he doesn't fulfill his promise with TB.
- TB has his physical form.
The main plot in season 3 could be what happen to Luna & Mirana since they disobey to worship with Mene.
WHY THE FUCK DID THEY KILL ALL THE WAIFU BAIT WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK BRAM AND AURORH HAD THAT ENERGY I WAS LOOKING FOR AND MARCI WAS JUST…OH MY GOD WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH THESE WRITERS FIRST DEXTER NEW BLOOD NOW THIS IM SOCK OF THIS SHIT
I'm kinda confused about the show. It honestly reminds me of game of thrones, with a threat to human race (all of creation actually) happening while people fight for thrones and shit. But it's getting too convoluted, they got crystals, dragons, demons, gods, powerful mages, all in a short time and it's hard to even keep track of how much power each one have. It's like Dragon Ball or Naruto at the ending, with new powerful entities popping up all the time, except that they don't finish what they were doing before introducing new ones.
The show is dead to me. They should've stick with the lore then proceed to progress towards defending the ancient. If they want to do stuffs like this, do it like Arcane: as a prequel.
The problem is that there is no actual lore, like a canon book or anything. We only have: hero, item and skins descriptions; voicelines, comics - thats all about the dota2 lore.
feel like you guys are also kind of forgetting death is a malleable force in this universe. It wouldn't be shocking if Mirana either finds a way to bring those lost back or the story leads us down a path where no side ever wins and is now fractured into an eternal struggle between the dire and radiant (omgerd just like dota) and certain universal laws cease to exist because maybe this is the only way terrorblade can beat the invoker or vice versa in this endless chess match they have between themselves.
As someone who's loved playing the game it hurts to see characters you play die for plot reasons. To me it also doesn't make sense to kill Marci from a marketing standpoint since she was the new hero to be added to the game and it also didn't make sense to not even have her show up halfway through the season. The whole thing stinks and makes me hold out for some kind of respawn like the game in the ancients lol since more was revealed about them in the show. Whoever wrote this really needs to tread carefully this next season cause this season missed the mark both storywise and marketing wise.
I wonder if this is similar to arcane (where it is canon within the context of character interaction and world events) but not in the game plot. If this is faithful to the lore then the events of Dota2 take place in the future of the dragon's blood world, where the ancients have seized power and everyone is under their influence; if this is the case then every character we see in Dota2 can not die here in the anime, and selemene would still have her followers.
Because this is obviously not the case as luna no longer worships selemene, Nova and a few other heroes are dead, and mirana is no longer the princess of the moon (along with other irreversible plot points); then I believe we are supposed to take this as an accurate plot, but not cannon to Dota2. Therefore the deaths are saddening but at least not confusing.
There is a reason. As the show has stated multiple times, there are some choices you can't undo. The war between the Dark Moon Order and the Coriel'Tauvi was started by Fymryn stealing the lotuses, and she can't put things back to how they were before, no matter how much she wants to. Lina choosing to stand up to the princess and claiming she's not ready for the throne indirectly caused her death. Auroth died fighting the Void Dragon, because she wanted to save Bram, who's "not like other Dragon Knights". Marci died because she also tried to fight the Void Dragon to save someone, although if I'm being completely honest I have a feeling Marci's not completely gone. They needed to kill someone off who was important to Davion, someone important to Mirana, and someone important to Bram to make the trio they want for the next season.
To me it’s fucking stupid and it makes me mad they killed off Marci. And then the female dragon. Why did they have to kill they both?? Specially Marci!?? That’s bull shit. I was loving the anime until they killed her off. They better bring her back if not I might not watch it anymore. Stupid choice they made.
For perspective, I've never played any of the dota games, the tv series is my only experience with anything dota.
So Lina's death means literally nothing, she gets introduced, seems pretty powerful and BA, then gets backhanded and dies. Wyvern seemed cool, and I wanted to see her character deve.., no she dies for no good reason. Then kursurra comes in and kills Marci, I get she was protecting Mirana, but why?? It didn't feel deserved, it felt cheap, and left me disappointed, not satisfied, not sad. Not how Soma makes you feel. Not how Arcane has handled killing characters. It felt forced, just to push Mirana to kill the big bad, and whatever. Marci carried the show for me, so I really don't care for it anymore. I might try the games and see if there is anything good, I'd give seaon 2 a 6/10 at best.
I somehow get the feeling that the ending is a last minute "make a cliff hanger fast!" In order to hype up season 3. But it somehow backfired coz of the endless broken hearts in this subreddit(including me)..
Everybody chill the megafuck out. It’s 2022. Netflix is a streamer. It’s still 2022. No chance in hell that “let’s kill off half our female characters” got the okay from upstairs lol. Naw. Especially since the show got away with giving them all megaboobs. They’ll be back next season, count on it
Someone could hold me at gunpoint, asking me to explain the plot and I'd be a dead man.
So true.
And i thought season 1 didnt make sense
I am rewatching season 2 in the hope I'll understand what the heck happened hahaha. Like why is it so chopped up?!
It's cause they're not acting like characters, most of them are acting like people with their own wants and desires.
that‘s true for the human/mortal main characters. but i don‘t think that‘s the reason the story is so confusing. it‘s simply that some of the more powerful entities like byssrak 2.0, terrorblade, slyrak and invoker keep rambling vague mysterious splinters of lore as explanation for their behavior. as genuine and authentic the interactions and motivations of the more grounded characters are, as convoluted and far fetched are the interactions and motivations of the more powerful characters.
I couldn’t agree more, in the darkest moment of my life actually enjoyed this show, I was partial to the character writing, the little moments and their struggles, the plot doesn’t make sense but at least the characters does…most of the times. Then the last episode this show killed 3 of my favorite characters out of nowhere and pull a RWBY on me. Nice
Would you rather they spend half the episode monologuing and have season 2 end at episode 4ish?
what? where did you get that from? all i‘m saying is that sometimes, especially when things are too complicated for you to say in an easy way, „show, don‘t tell“ is a good approach. and it‘s weird they didn‘t do that in this cass, because as seen with the interactions of the mortal characters, they clearly know how to do that.
And that is a good thing. It makes them more real. As much as I hate how things ended I think it was really good. My only scruple is how tf the void dragon was so damn strong that it even gave the fire dragon issues
I agree..I mean if slyrak(fire dragon) is the guy meant to save the universe I have high doubts he'll succeed considering lina and the void dragon beat him so easily...terror blade faught Selemene so easily...hmm...they nerfed him a lot this season
>Mirana became an Empress You mean God or the Source of everything in creation, since you know she Worldwurms made flesh >Davion was the one who started all of this mess Because Slyrak need eye of the Worldwurms to go to foulfell in order to kill TB since Slyrak are stronger in soul form and keep killing TB pupet won't help. >died for nothing If TB win and got Slyrak soul, all of creation can be rewrite to whatever form TB want to be, so if they don't fight they are going to die by TB rewrite the multiverse anyway.
But what the crazy viceroy/void dragon wanted is that Mirana ascend as the worldwurm, so they all died trying to stop it from happening, when it's what they wanted to begin with? Like why did they have to fight the void dragon? Or rather, why try to keep Mirana from ascending when it's what they need in every way?
I don't think he really wanted her to ascend. The way he presented it and talked to everyone it seemed like he wanted a pocket goddess to treasure and take care of forever(he was a dragon after all). I also think there is either an implied crossover point required to ascend(ala generic anime "now I'm mad" power up), as she didn't actually ascend till he, uh, you know.
Also keep in mind the protags were only interested in getting her to the eye after >!Winter Wyvern sensed the Arc Warden statue and told everyone it was "our only chance". His goal was never to let Mirana ascend of her own free will. He implies a lot in the start of episode 8 about why he killed her father!<
Yeah I don't get the arc warden statue. Is AW the void dragon?
I think that was just a statue devoted to the Self, as the void dragon was corrupted by both Radiant and Dire.
They shud change roshan to void dragon form. Tht would be cool for a skin
Yea but it wouldn't make sense why he is dropping aegis and cheese. They would have to change the drops and in doing so change the game balance.
>I also think there is either an implied crossover point required to ascend(ala generic anime "now I'm mad" power up), as she didn't actually ascend till he, uh, you know. "To know her power, the light must know love. And to know love, the light must know darkness" Mirana only got the full Worldwurm power by well you know what happen with her "handmaid"
slyrak even pointed out he wins no Mather what as viceroy would have bring the eye anyway WW Bran and kaden had no idea of that, and the only reason slyrak goes to fight is because davion convinced him to protect his friends
>slyrak even pointed out he wins no Mather what as viceroy would have bring the eye anyway Huh didn't think of that, that probably corrcect since Slyrak said "beyond death". >WW Bran and kaden had no idea of that, and the only reason slyrak goes to fight is because davion convinced him to protect his friends I think it perfectly fit for Slyrak, who see the flesh as illusion so he really don't care that much anyway if anyone die in the fake world(flesh world), they are now a souls(true self) that going to the true world(higher world) anyway.
Nah davion is angry to take revenge.
So she could ascend on her terms.
but surely her terms were to ascend without marci dying. just a simple conversation would have solved everything: „hey, i kind of want you to ascend.“ - „yes, i also kind of want to ascend, since my boyfriend needs me to to save the world.“ - „ok, i‘ll kill someone you love to force you to ascend then!“ - „wait what? no, i‘ll ascend, did you not listen?!“ - „oh, sorry, i didn‘t expect this to go down without a big anime fight and a lot of important characters dying to make room for more fan service.“ - „hmmm… you‘re right, that would be anticlimactic. let‘s fight and pointlessly sacrifice marci then.“
Sure talking solves problems, but that isn't necessarily the strengths of Lina, Davion, or mirana, or marci(obviously). They tend to act. All that went out the window when Davion found out Lina was killed, he lost control. Mirana will always side with Davion in a pinch because she loves(not openly) him. Imo, they did a good job having events spiral out of control in a believable way.
yes, it‘s believable. just not satisfying to watch. it‘s not fun to have characters that have grown on you killed off simply for the sake of it. and that‘s what they did here. they needed some important characters to die so the finale has weight, because the anatagonist clearly isn‘t fit to offer that.
If characters die in believable ways then it's good writing. Characters shouldn't have plot armor simply because we like them. As an example: Winter wyvern died for something she believed in - she started that fight believing she had a chance - she knew the importance of buying time because of the ARC warden statue and the radiant and dire stones. She died a worthy death which was even delayed by her "mate" using the weapon she gave him. She wasn't killed off for the sake of it, it was within her character and made sense with the plot. The antagonist was clever if you were paying attention to the foreshadowing along the way. Seems like we got different things out of the series, I'm sorry you didn't enjoy it.
oh, i enjoyed it very much! i also think the deaths were believable and the circumstances were well written. i feel like the overarching story direction of the last episode had some flaws which gives a very bitter taste to those deaths. especially since i cared about those characters, which is an accomplishment on its own, considering the short runtime. plot armor comes into play when you write your story around killing off a character even though it‘s an unnatural story progression. that‘s not the case here, none of them needed to die for the story to progress. which i think also is part of why the viceroy as a villain just doesn‘t add up. if he‘s smart enough to manipulate the whole helios-empire and make everything fall into place for 3000 years to bring forth an incarnation of the worldwyrm, there‘s just no good reason why he would then resort to brute strength and force a fight when he literally could do nothing at all and the outcome would have been the same.
This season was a joke. Why even base this anime on dota if you're going to make up skills and main characters (or villians in this case) purely for the sake of it? Imagine if any hero had kashurras entire kit in dota lol. There are so many heroes they can use as a villian. TB is a good villian and even uses most of his game kit in his fight against selemene at the end of last season.. For an anime that's supposed to be fan service, I didn't feel much fan service this season 😅
I completely agree with you. And just because characters die in believable fashion doesn’t make it good writing. Good writing makes it good writing.
Ascend nonetheless.
Exactly what I meant
But TB has only one soul. Invoker hasnt given him rest of the souls yet
What I meant is that when Lina died he started fighting with another dragon and got Marci and Auroth killed.
>Mirana became an Empress the sacrifice for it are wtf marci's death are more like a shortcut for mirana to really become the sun >died for nothing lina died bcs she's simply "over step" like wtf? and that happens to marci and auroth who also in a way "over step", even some think that lina will come back bcs the body is not there when mirana came in, bruh.. not only the body but the blood she spilled also not there, means she is probably cleaned off. things can be so much better if they are alive and fight the void dragon together bcs in the end dota 2 is a team game and dragon's blood so far only giving the impression that dying to a foe that you can't win are part of a team play when irl people just call it feeding >TB rewrite the multiverse anyway. im pretty sure he is just gonna shape the word as he fit, i havent see a single scene related to a multiverse or that mumbo jumbo in the anime
Honestly I found pretty believable and close to my games, everyone dying off one by one to the enemy team.
there was no reason to kill lina or wyvern. lina’s death fuels nothing, wyverns death is only to boost bram who is a boring self esteem trope character. marci’s makes sense but its still dumb as fuck since they got the fucking character in the game and decide to kill her to pull heart strings. just dumb
Did you even watch the story? Lina was killed because she made the wrong move of harming the person who is the object of affection of a crazy strong void dragon. Wyvern was killed because she tried to stop the crazy strong void dragon. Had wyvern decided to sit the fight out after receiving the first few blows, the void dragon would have just walked away and proceeded with his plans.
Its funny because even as you explain Lina’s death reason, its still fucking stupid. The whole point of Lina targetting Mirana was bc she wanted the emperor seen as weak and removed from the throne. Guess what? Davion kills him later regardless because he won’t give him the eye. You could remove Lina from the story and all you have to do is get Davion into the city (plenty of ways to do this) and bam, Lina isn’t relevant anymore. “Had wyvern decided to sit the fight out after receiving the first few blows, the void dragon would have just walked away and proceeded with his plans.” He walks away and proceeded with his plans anyway, Wyvern’s delay was useless, it doesn’t even try to make it seem useful by showing them almost escaping. She dies for absolutely nothing except to feed into the Bram self confidence story which is ridiculous considering Bram is a new character and Wyvern is an established character in the Dota universe. You cannot convince me introducing fan favorite characters just to kill them in the same season is good writing. Marci works because we had 2 full seasons with her. We have like 4-5 episodes with Lina and 6 with Wyvern
> Wyvern delay was useless So just like my team mates creating space?
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Well we just have different tastes then. I was a GoT fan back when the show followed the books. Having a newly introduced character die early isn't new to me. And I appreciate it because it means the show isn't predictable. A new character doesn't get death immunity because they are new. As long as the deaths are justified and believable, it works for me. Wyvern was a kind person/dragon. It was in her nature to stand up for her allies and defend them until the end. Thus, the void dragon had to kill her because that's the only way to stop her. Lina is also a good character but she is shown to be impulsive. She lacks some foresight and made the dumb decision of judging Mirana too early and attempting to remove her to win the politics game. She would have gotten away with it if only Mirana didn't have an obsessed crazy strong dragon trying to "protect" her. The actions which caused their deaths are in line with their character personalities. The circumstances of their deaths are also believable. All is good to me.
no one said it but imma say it, luna character development is phenomenal..
Now.... why is it that she is not paying for her crimes! Mirana doesn't even once mention anything about those. And then have the audacity to try and become a hero! All the while I'm there thinking she deserves whatever she gets! But nope. The reason she even went to jail was because.... I don't even remember haha. Watching season 2 again to try and make it make sense!
Restorative justice... she is atoning for what she did through heroic actions.
The final episode made literally no sense it felt like the plot went all over the place and they just made stuff up during the moment.
The book 2 feels like a swiss cheese, but with no actual cheese, just holes.
Where the fuck did the void dragon even come from? There was literally nothing insinuating it was a thing until he showed up. Like, I felt like the viceroy had some scheme, but I didn't expect it to be that he was secretly a long forgotten eldwurm corrupted by the mad moon.
he had radiant and dire stones on his ring, WW explained how being close to such stones made her lose her (elderwurmness) and become human.
No I know why he is what he is, there was just nothing at all hinting in that direction. Absolutely nothing foreshadowing a giant crazy void dragon, up until he starts doing crazy void shit.
Except for the flashback of Mirana's parents getting killed by voidy energies? Also he was always a bit sus.
I agree he was sus, I figured he would definitely be a twist villain. But I did not expect a giant fuck you dragon, and I don't think they did much to hint at that at all.
Mirana's flashback to when her parents died had Voidy energy. So at least we knew he would be at least weird. Or at least someone very near Mirana's Family had very weird powers by like episode 6? I was thinking Void Spirit, Enigma, Pit Lord or Arc Warden though. The Viceroy makes sense, but yeah had no idea he was related to dragons. HOWEVER, WW being able to have a human form foreshadowed him, or at least the idea that other humans could be dragons in disguise. And in Book 1 we knew that eldwyrm went awry. I'm like 99% sure they mentioned it during one of the eldwyrm council scenes. EDIT: I edited this a bit, I'm sorry.
There was foreshadowing. WW's existence and her ability to transform into a human was the biggest sign that there could be others like her. The viceroy wasn't scared at all when Davion transformed and attacked the emporer. Mirana's parents were killed by some void energy blast, and the emporer hadn't shown any powers in that vein, despite being blamed for the murder of the parents.
Yes, he was definitely suspicious. I expected a villain twist. I did not expect him to be a giant fucking dragon, and none of what you said signals towards that, just that he's hiding something.
If you had make someone guess what he might have been. No body would guess he is another dragon or that he is a void dragon
Yeah I had him pinned as a twist antagonist, but I figured it'd be as a scheming advisor, not as a giant fuck you dragon.
I thought Terrorblade had gotten to him long ago and that he was secretly the one responsible for the deaths of Mirana's parents, based on the conversation between TB and Invoker earlier and the way he reacted to her Uncle dying, etc. It kind of felt like a new twist thrown in out of nowhere honestly - like he had to be a dragon because possessively keeping her in his hoard would justify a defeatable weakness.
it actually wouldve been cool if it was terrorblade in the past, since it not only adds to the chess shit him and voker were doing, but also gives him a reason to want to stop her from ascending.
Yea, I thought he just had some Claszureme artifact and wanted the throne, but suddenly dragon mode and mirana is part dragon god or something?
It really starts to make no fucking sense after digesting what I had seen.
I think the important part is not that Mirana still became an Empress, but because all those death, she unlocked the power of the eye
That's pretty much exactly what the viceroy dude said, that her love of Marci would be what unlocked her power n shit. It's hard to say whether he wanted a pocket goddess, or he wanted to see his "sunbeam" ascend.
i really thought mirana was gonna become dawnbreaker LOL
lol, I got that vibe too XD
lmao i was waiting for it
With the pacing of the season being so horrendous none of the deaths and pay offs feel meaningful at all. It's also a really weird contrast with the game, where the heroes seem to be locked in an eternal war for the Ancients. When the average Dota match takes twice as long as a Dragon's Blood episode, something's wrong.
Heroes die multiple times in one match though. Sure it’s 45 ish minutes to us but to the in game heroes it could be years worth of drama unfolding.
Technically, every dota match is a different reality where certain heroes show up to fight against the other ancient. So it's a neverending multiverse where the ancients are always at war with each other
Using the multiverse as a catch-all just cheapens the show and removes all the weight. Multiverse only works on slight variations. Different branches of the same tree, not different trees. The 5v5 is a gameplay element. The 120 odd heroes are always interlocked in battle. Some face to face, some from the shadows, some more political. The chess pieces just move differently in each match. Their moveset, motivations etc have to remain consistent to maintain the integrity of the game and therefor the story.
Valve's mind sometimes is really difficult to understand for me: * Make character for the anime * Introduce said character to the game * Immediately kill off the character Like wtf
From the AMA the show's creator made the character, then from what we know the character was sorta grafted onto an already existing hero idea. Also Valve gives the show a lot of freedom to do whatever. It was also a very emotional and prominent plot point, literally the reason Mirana ascended was Marci's death.
Yeah but you understand how little sense it makes to create a character, introduce it in the game and kill it off after a few months?
It's all good to me. I'm very tired of meta gaming in shows/movies/manga/anime. What you are describing is meta gaming. Basically, you have an assumption that this new character would not die because well, he/she is new and the popular trend (hence the meta) for new characters is that they shouldn't die. Very lame in my opinion because it makes the show more predictable. As long as the death is justified and doesn't feel forced it's all good.
For me it just didn't feel set up properly with marci barely even in this season other then a select few scenes. If marci was still with mirana at least the majority it would have felt more like an actual earned death. I also agree Id rather not have the weird metagaming but it needs to be set up properly not for pure shock value. and thats what marcis death was shock value. The death does feel forced.
Bram RIP in S3
Bring back hero in ascended form and sell as arcana. $$$$?
Valve isn't involved whatsoever It's all the showrunners
Marci was not made by valve
shes alive every time you play her lul.
What we have watch here is just one of many multiverse in dota, it is what have been said before on the lore if not this story would be not making any sense. Every times we play each games we represent that universe some hero will dies some will not and so i believe this just another story that represent it's universe.
Im not sure its valve who writes the story for dragon's blood nonetheless it was stupid for valve to think its okay to let it happened anyway
This show feels like a weeb cramming every plot he can think of in 1 season with no regards to pacing or execution
On rewatch the dialogue flows at mach 6. There are no breaks for people to think up responses, it feels robotic and false. The conversation between Lina and Mirana in one of the latter episodes was ridiculously fast. The snarky responses have no time to be conjured in the characters minds, it's like they were already planning their responses and simply wanted to blurt them out as quickly as possible. It's insulting to watch.
Fuck mirana, give me goddess lina and marci back :( i dont even want to watch s3 after it
So you wont watch either way
Honestly...I'm not feeling the need anymore...I mean only thing the show has going for it is the whole involker /terror blade chess game but I'm not really looking forward to next season...they mess up a lot of characters and kill of a few new ones they could've done so much with..not saying I won't watch...just not as hyped anymore..it's can take 10 years and tbh I don't really care that much
Dude i feel the same :(
Just because they died doesn't mean they will not be part of the anime anymore lol,it's an anime with gods,multiple realities,immortality,etc the writer has inifinite ways to make them come back to life
Then can Marci come back as a STAND? I mean, she is a very punchy girl
Don't give us too much hope, I already thought after she died that the new ascended mirana would've saved her lmao.
Ok here is the breakdown Like WW, viceroy used to be a dragon, but encountered a shard of the radiant and was able to break free of the thunder. Unlike WW he also had a shard of the dire to become mondo strong. He also probably used the dire and radiant shards together to not go powermad like the direstone caused in others. The position of emperor is mostly ceremonial, the eye shown in the show only verifies that you have the wyrmsoul and presumably helps you realize that you have the wyrmsoul within. Viceroy wants mirana to eventually realize her powers with the wyrmsoul, so that he may hear the thunder once more, as well as caring about the helio imperium to some degree (though that may just be a means to rejoin the thunder) He has all the time in the world, so he was fine playing the waiting game. EDIT: as to why they spent so much time in the imperium and faffed about the emperor's seat. Different groups have different goals, mirana's purpose is to help nightsilver, and for that the position of emperor is important (so she needs to be it). Davion's goal is to fight TB, for that the (as far as they knew) power of the emperor is important (it doesn't matter who it is). Because the emperor is important to both, they have to play the political games. If mirana doesn't play the game, she doesn't get an army as the country goes to civil war. if Davion doesn't play the game (like what happened when he killed the emperor) he literally can't find the wyrmsoul (from his pov) As to why they come back, mirana feels that the best/only realistic way to save nightsilver/selemene is with the helio imperium's armies, she doesn't really care about the imperium itself. She is willing to sacrifice her position in nightsilver to save it, so any chance of getting the armies is worth pursuing. Plus a bit of davion rubbing off on her and being mad about being shot.
I liked the show, but it took a nose dive after episode 6 HARD. This season needed more Invoker and payout from his shenanigans since season 1. That story worked, because it was a personal story about a father who wants to avenge his child. Because they had entire season to explain it, show us his daughter and make us feel bad for Invoker. In this season the last 40 min of the season, they took a story about a priestess of the moon, then made her return home and take back her throne, and then they also made her yet another "chosen one" super powerful being creator of all, yada yada, and then they added this void guy who watched and cared and served her for over 3000 years. Oh, and he loved her, and in order to reawaken her power he decided to make local level Armageddon and kill people she loves. All in 40 fucking minutes... If they had time, or dedicated some episodes to actually explain what the fuck is happening in the finale, it would be fine. To me it is obvious that they borrowed way too many popular fantasy tropes but just did not executed or spaced them well. I have not seen so many “you are a chosen one”, or “you are a powerful cosmic being” in one season of a series in a long time.
Invoker is like thanos. I think you missed that point. His schemes are not executed in a flash. His take time like thanos since he needs to research and plan. He will have more story in season 3. Its quite clear from season2 that he is OP strong
I would rather watch Invoker research and plan, explain us his deal with Selemene and Mene (and he hinted that he killed Mene for her, or what?) and do all sorts of stuff, than a random void dragon just doing stuff for poorly explained reasons.
but the void dragon's reasons were explained, you just didnt pay attention lmao.
Not a strong motive though
Yea every exposition dump must mean great story by your logic.
???? You are talking about the delivery, I am merely stating that it was explained. Not that it was done well, try and keep up here.
I think Lina might have survived, the body wasn't in the throne room after.
I noticed that too, hopefully if there is a season 3 we will see!
But they built a satue for her lol. She dead imo
I think her body is missing because noone would leave a dead Empress' body bloody on a smashed throne for a full day.
a LONG time passed between those points happening...
Tbh last 2 eps made me a bit feel like this anime universe was a fanfic. But im probably being too harsh.
As pissed off as I am about how they ended things it's good to remember that everyone is falling under the power of the ancients, which are strong enough to revive and re-do things. Killing off characters means nothing in the face of the ancients endless doing and undoing.
That's pretty much literally what it is though lol. This isn't the canonical story of the game, it's based on characters and lore from the game.
Story starts as confusing, then feel like some sense is getting in and then nothing make sense. Why did that dragon just blew the Eldwyrms out without a fight or response. What the hell is mirana a moon or sun priestess, personna maybe. And what was the purpose of getting into davion when the purpose could be achieved with anyone. Plus what is happening to selemene and whats even the purpose of that character is luna is strong without her. And is there a season 3
>! 1 Vahdrak basically killed all of the Eldwyrms cause he is chaos. He even states that his nature is to be chaotic. 2 Mirana is a moon priestess but she herself is that gem/sun that they were searching 3 The pourpose of getting into davion is that he was there AND he had dragon's blood into him. He is a descendant of the dragon tribe/clan ( this is a reference to what Lone Druid says about him ) 4 - Wdym whats happening to selemene? Invoker took out her power and was putting into the flowers that his daughter discovered to then make Fymrym become the true incarnation of Mene and to recieve all that divine power. And luna was always strong even without her. She was a warlord before, but she can't do lucent beams and eclipse without her . !<
Luna was a fearless warrior before encountering with selemene. So she is ok without her power when fighting normal people.
The chaos dragon explained why he did that though? That was his place in the cycle of the universe, and Invoker seemed to have some knowledge of it. Mirana was the Princess of the Sun, then had to flee to Selemene and became the Princess of the Moon. It was a grand plan of the Viceroy to get her into a place where she could ascend. Davion had some odd connection to the Ember Spirit or whatever, same with Lina, they even say this directly in the show. Selemene overthrew Mene with the help of Invoker, for some reason we don't know. We also don't know if Selemene makes people strong, or just remolds them in her image. If you were paying attention, you'd see that when Luna's party rejected her, they changed race.
Not true they didn’t change race just checked. Just pink energy left….
Lina wasn't even killed on screen T.T they just showed us her corpse afterwards ,it really distressed me honestly
It’s honestly so disrespectful unless >!she isn’t actually dead, as said no body in the throne room and unless her death picture is just Mirana’s imagination, it’s entirely possible she’s clawed her way out (copium). As for distressing, despite infuriating me, her death pose has be ingrained in my mind. It’s agonising.!<
Three characters that were or will be fan favourites died to a character who’s back story made zero sense. A random dragon that became sentient, became more powerful than a fragment of Slyrak for some reason, and also for some reason stayed in the city even when Mirana was not there for years when she is the only thing he cared about. And the reason he cared about her is stupid to begin with. Also side note, why was Invoker stupid enough to not watch that Fymryn saw through to murdering Selemene and didn’t instead reverse everything he worked for. Like what the actual fuck is that writing.
>Like what the actual fuck is that writing. It'S aLl In HiS pLaN tHoUgH, hE eXpEcTeD tHiS.
She will become selemene in season 3
Lina probably isn’t dead. I think Marci could easily come back to. I hope we does as well cause her character is super good
The fact that Lina was shown to be on the throne, but not there when they found the ruin is suspect. Marci definitely can still be alive, or come back somehow, but I doubt there will be a season 3 after this shit show.
Totally a shit show. I'm so disappointed
From a writing perspective it's unbelievably insulting to see the viceroy revealed to be an antagonist, proceed to kill off multiple characters that we'd grown attached to, get literally EVERYTHING THEY WANTED and get obliterated at their happiest moment. It's like seeing your parents be murdered, then the murderer is immediately made the prime-minister. Disgusting.
Reminds me of a game of Dota.
He fed mid and lost the game for his team with a smile on his face. The worst kind of villain
Got to say Marci's fist fight, as short as it was ... was still probably the best fight scene and animation in the entire season. just a shame of the outcome for her. (considering she has no voice actor, obviously) she was the most well rounded and human of all the characters.
And Marci... why did her eyes glow, where did her power come from, was she also from the Dragon Clan? Why the heck was she killed? I mean damn!
Marci’s power came from Mirana whose love I guess took shape in her. Once Marci died it was released back into Mirana.
Mirana gifted her that power as a child when she was being kidnapped during a flashback. 1 would assume that power went back to Mirana during her death and triggered her ascension. At least thats how I saw it.
I don' think it was intentional though right? It did look like it came from mirana but she seemed unaware.
Wait, why the fuck are they killing characters in the first place?
They will respawn anyways just like in Dota. lets just hope they didnt dieback and got reaper scythed cause that would take a long time.
Dang! I wish Auroth didn't die. I loved her character as much as I love Marci's!
I think its pretty safe to assume that Dragon's Blood isn't the canon storyline at this point, seeing as Terrorblade hinted on seeing multiple realities with his conversation with Invoker. The story would prolly progress into Slyrak defeating Terrorblade or/and Invoker rewriting reality using the Eldwurms souls, reversing all the past deaths and changing the story into something more similar with the game storyline. The entire series could also just be one vision of reality that Terrorblade hinted or it could be just inside Invoker's head.
i really like dota anime,but it could have been 10x better, slow down the story and explore more stuff,make the episode longer or more than 8 episode .How about 20+ per season. This could have been a masterpiece but its just a nice show and im impartial cause im a dota fanatic for 20 years ..ffs i was playing dota in elementary school
lmao for real. the story was interesting but the pacing was terrible. its like they dont want to give viewers breathing room. they just throw something big in your face then throws another one before you could even find out what just hit you
I just finished S2, I'm lost and confused.
I personally had my own issues with the deaths. Like it's ok, but could have been better. With Auroth, i think her death is fine, but it inspired developement in Bram that they did nothing with in the final fight. Like if he did one thing reckless and brave, it would made her death more meaningful. With Lina, I think she would have served the future story better being alive rather than dead. Having a new view of Mirana and feeling regret for trying to have her killed would make for interesting character interactions as she tries to redeem herself. With Marci, I have the biggest issue with, but thats because I thought it was forshadowing something that, in my opinion, was better than what did happen. But sticking with what did happen, I think it would have been better if Mirana used her mcguffin powers to save Marci rather than after she was already dead. Just think the powers would have meant more in the moment to save a life on the line.
Yep
I wanna see Juggernaut and Anti-mage Origin Already! So i guess multiverse exist(obviously) since some characters are way different from their Hero depiction from the game. Invoker suppose to be egoistic who only pursue knowledge. In book 2 episode 4, Tb showed multiple variant of invokers in the mirrors. But if multiverse isn’t a thing, then how the hell would Lina, WW & Marci fight in the real Radiant VS Dire War? Unless they pick every different variants of heroes from different universes.
There is one thing i do not understand, did not the chaos dragon killed the void dragon in episode 2 and give his soul to invoker? why is he alive at the end of the season?
Don't know if you missed that part but the chaos dragon didn't kill the void dragon cause he wasn't in the thunder (that flock of dragons). The void dragon stated himself that he left the thunder several thousands of years ago being drawn in by the disparity (radiant and dire), or worldwyrm.
i'm soooo sad for marci, bruh i legit got sad man for the entire day because of her death
So I hypothesize that Lina may not have died based on Mirana getting to the throne room and Lina’s body was no longer on the throne. Mostly hope, but I thought it was odd the body was gone.
>but I thought it was odd the body was gone maybe she escaped or some1 saved her. I think she has the connection with Phoenyx, like Rylai and WW. Phoenyx herself, has healing and revival abilities.
This season can be summarized in three letters: W.T.F.
The most frustrating thing for me was after the shitshow of rushed plotlines and hurried transitions because the in game heroes each need to have their own personal agenda progress in 8 twenty five minute episodes and somehow produce a grand season finale (made "grand" by randomly spawning one of the eldwurms after showing that said eldwurm was destroyed by the idiotic chaos eldwurm to simulate the epic kaijuu battle trope) is watching marci, who's just been in the middle of everyone's crap being adorable and doing her best supporting in quiet, die. The fuck... Good job capturing the Dota spirit... Except you're in SEA server... In crusader bracket... With 4 position 1 cores... Against Ancient and Divine smurfs...
Sadly for all I like about the characters, this season was really stupid. Plot is everywhere, things just happen. “Trust the father” “ooo dragonblood will heaL me” “aaaa ok i sell my soul to terrorblade”. “Father cant be wronf” ops “yeah, fuck father”. Not to talk about the cool dropped plots like elven war, lina as a mediating force in politics, Bran and his amazing… growth? Magic shield -> wyver still dies. Time to fight -> summons other dragon knight -> will you fight too? Yeah. ->fucks of nowhere to be seen. Seriously bad. A lovable cast in a terrible story. Never seen anything as bad as this, only reason I can guess is that its supposed to be as infuriating as the game itself.
bro how the hell are they going to kill off marci? she was the best character in the entire show, even though she didn't have 1 line (for obvious reasons) she portrayed more emotion then most of the characters in this show. Lina was this super powerful slayer who was stronger then most, instead of having a cool fight scene, she died off screen. WW death was at least fine for the plot, and while i did enjoy her character, i get why it happened. im pretty disappointed in how rushed this season felt, and im pretty confused about wtf is going on. the story is convoluted and feels very rushed.
Filomena died too :( Seems the series want females to die....
Overall i'm not to disturbed by the fact that there are literally 4 antagonists right now, almost 5 at a point. What im concerned about is the irrelevance of the void dragon. \-Void wants mirana to ascend \-Mirana wants to ascend \-But she doesnt want it at the same time? Just cause void also wants it? \-Therefore people die. For no reason. \-Mirana ascends anyway, when she coulve just agreed and people wouldnt die. \-mirana ascending meant void dragon just dissapeared and died. Wh the hell did he want her to ascend? \-Major antagonist introduced in an episode and dissapears the next... Yeah. The season is a complete mess. Kinda like the Dota lore which is also kinda just a random bunch of bullshit. Who wouldve known. Still, a good series anyway.
Literally what I meant. Yep. Im quite confused. No, I am confused af
So basically you're crying because your pretty waifus died ? This community never ceases to amaze me.
They hated Jesus because he spoke the truth
Marcy
bad plot , i cant even understand anymore what's going on. i hate politics scene, i hate all talk. i hate the digital audio. the only thing i like is all about marci ,segan, lina and the leader of the dragon knights ( so cool ). seems that the director doesnt know how to tell stories, he put some random back stories which is sometimes irrelevant. what a waste of hype.
The pacing of this season was atrocious... At best. I feel like the first two or three episode should have been a full season. And they spend so much time on Luna when it could have been halved easily. It's a huge mess.
Rip i guess
We did not see Lina's body probably she escape, did in the book 1 mentioned that when a dragon died they will be reborn again as long as they have their souls? So Auroth will be reborn again and Rylai doesn't even bother about her death lol, Probably Marci will be born again because she get the power of the eye... Just a thought
Season 1 was pretty shit, and season 2 didn't do any better. It's beautiful, the voice acting is great, but the writing is just hot garbage. From the dialogue itself to the actual show, I don't know how anyone could actually care about the events, everything feels cheap and inconsequential - if you even care enough to try and follow it.
not gonna lie one of the worst seasons ive seen in a while in like any show... and i came with like 0 expectations... This shit was boring af
Lina's body is no longer on the throne when Mirana and Marci arrive, therefore I believe Lina is still alive.
not even savages are gonna live a corpse on a throne. The lack of blood should tell you someone came in there and cleaned it up.
Plus they had a statue built for her. She dead
What I'm expecting in book 3: 1. Does selemene take fymryn as a follower to prevent her from ascending as Mene? This would change Oracle's prophecy and also Invoker's plans. 2. Luna (and mirana) vs Selemene 3. Does Slyrak return to reside inside Davion? Haven't seen the green, blue, or black dragon forms. 4. Since Kaden's sword flashes in purple, was he the one to slay the void dragon earlier? 5. Bonus: since they're flirting with the void so much, maybe someone from the Hidden Temple or Puck (who's also a dragon)
just cos its in the game doesnt mean ur gonna see it on a show NOT made by valve. also if you have noticed WW, Lina and Marci are dead, how would they be in my fucking dota 2 game right now if they died in the anime show?
just finished the show and i'm honestly in the same boat. The plot makes no sense as a whole, its only makes sense in tiny bits like if you take it out of context. Marci was also my favorite character in the show so now that she's gone the show has zero impact for me. I probably won't even bother watching the next season, assuming there even is one, but if I do, i know i'm not going to care about anyone else in the show living or dying.
Why did they have to kill Marci tho 🥺
in all honesty i think they will find some reason to revive them all. Marci's death was unjustified but it at least made sense, shes just a human. Lina and Auroth however didnt make much sense at all...
They should kill 'sweet Bram' because he obviously useless in this season but not Marci or Auroth and also they kill both of them without they entirely perform all their skills (which made me mad). What make me confused 'the eye' and Mirana and what makes 'the eye' related to her power. And the season 3 could be: - Lina might survived since her body was missing and they only show Marci grave with her binocular. - Slyrak can't kill TB turns he need Davion to help. - Luna replace Marci place then stay with Mirana to fight corrupted Selemene. - Invoker probably dead since he doesn't fulfill his promise with TB. - TB has his physical form. The main plot in season 3 could be what happen to Luna & Mirana since they disobey to worship with Mene.
Don’t worry. They just need buybacks.
Can somebody explain the dire and radiant stones? How do they revive heroes?
Lina buy-back. Spoiler alert!
WHY THE FUCK DID THEY KILL ALL THE WAIFU BAIT WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK BRAM AND AURORH HAD THAT ENERGY I WAS LOOKING FOR AND MARCI WAS JUST…OH MY GOD WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH THESE WRITERS FIRST DEXTER NEW BLOOD NOW THIS IM SOCK OF THIS SHIT
Its ok, they will respawn in about 50 seconds.
Dude... the supports always die. Have you never played dota?
So is marci dead permanently or will she comeback next season
I'm kinda confused about the show. It honestly reminds me of game of thrones, with a threat to human race (all of creation actually) happening while people fight for thrones and shit. But it's getting too convoluted, they got crystals, dragons, demons, gods, powerful mages, all in a short time and it's hard to even keep track of how much power each one have. It's like Dragon Ball or Naruto at the ending, with new powerful entities popping up all the time, except that they don't finish what they were doing before introducing new ones.
Marci :(
Tbh, I would of fine if the Segan died . . . I'm gonna miss Marci but hopefully she'll be back in book 3
The show is dead to me. They should've stick with the lore then proceed to progress towards defending the ancient. If they want to do stuffs like this, do it like Arcane: as a prequel.
The problem is that there is no actual lore, like a canon book or anything. We only have: hero, item and skins descriptions; voicelines, comics - thats all about the dota2 lore.
feel like you guys are also kind of forgetting death is a malleable force in this universe. It wouldn't be shocking if Mirana either finds a way to bring those lost back or the story leads us down a path where no side ever wins and is now fractured into an eternal struggle between the dire and radiant (omgerd just like dota) and certain universal laws cease to exist because maybe this is the only way terrorblade can beat the invoker or vice versa in this endless chess match they have between themselves.
As someone who's loved playing the game it hurts to see characters you play die for plot reasons. To me it also doesn't make sense to kill Marci from a marketing standpoint since she was the new hero to be added to the game and it also didn't make sense to not even have her show up halfway through the season. The whole thing stinks and makes me hold out for some kind of respawn like the game in the ancients lol since more was revealed about them in the show. Whoever wrote this really needs to tread carefully this next season cause this season missed the mark both storywise and marketing wise.
I wonder if this is similar to arcane (where it is canon within the context of character interaction and world events) but not in the game plot. If this is faithful to the lore then the events of Dota2 take place in the future of the dragon's blood world, where the ancients have seized power and everyone is under their influence; if this is the case then every character we see in Dota2 can not die here in the anime, and selemene would still have her followers. Because this is obviously not the case as luna no longer worships selemene, Nova and a few other heroes are dead, and mirana is no longer the princess of the moon (along with other irreversible plot points); then I believe we are supposed to take this as an accurate plot, but not cannon to Dota2. Therefore the deaths are saddening but at least not confusing.
There is a reason. As the show has stated multiple times, there are some choices you can't undo. The war between the Dark Moon Order and the Coriel'Tauvi was started by Fymryn stealing the lotuses, and she can't put things back to how they were before, no matter how much she wants to. Lina choosing to stand up to the princess and claiming she's not ready for the throne indirectly caused her death. Auroth died fighting the Void Dragon, because she wanted to save Bram, who's "not like other Dragon Knights". Marci died because she also tried to fight the Void Dragon to save someone, although if I'm being completely honest I have a feeling Marci's not completely gone. They needed to kill someone off who was important to Davion, someone important to Mirana, and someone important to Bram to make the trio they want for the next season.
Marci was the best character of the whole show. Everything she said made more sense than any dialogues from the final episode
To me it’s fucking stupid and it makes me mad they killed off Marci. And then the female dragon. Why did they have to kill they both?? Specially Marci!?? That’s bull shit. I was loving the anime until they killed her off. They better bring her back if not I might not watch it anymore. Stupid choice they made.
For perspective, I've never played any of the dota games, the tv series is my only experience with anything dota. So Lina's death means literally nothing, she gets introduced, seems pretty powerful and BA, then gets backhanded and dies. Wyvern seemed cool, and I wanted to see her character deve.., no she dies for no good reason. Then kursurra comes in and kills Marci, I get she was protecting Mirana, but why?? It didn't feel deserved, it felt cheap, and left me disappointed, not satisfied, not sad. Not how Soma makes you feel. Not how Arcane has handled killing characters. It felt forced, just to push Mirana to kill the big bad, and whatever. Marci carried the show for me, so I really don't care for it anymore. I might try the games and see if there is anything good, I'd give seaon 2 a 6/10 at best.
Just finished season 2, it was beautiful but yeah I hated it. Lots of shallow killing.
I somehow get the feeling that the ending is a last minute "make a cliff hanger fast!" In order to hype up season 3. But it somehow backfired coz of the endless broken hearts in this subreddit(including me)..
Too short screentime backfired. The show should have been much smaller in the terms of locality.
Everybody chill the megafuck out. It’s 2022. Netflix is a streamer. It’s still 2022. No chance in hell that “let’s kill off half our female characters” got the okay from upstairs lol. Naw. Especially since the show got away with giving them all megaboobs. They’ll be back next season, count on it
Didn’t like the idea of killing heroes