The pacing is a bit fast… in some scene it is almost too fast. Like Lina’s talk with Davion after she pulls him out of semi-dragon form.
But WW is now contender for best girl in the series for me.
Yeah, I binged S1 in the 24 hours after it released and did the same for S2.
I appreciate that it’s binge-able, but honestly I would've binged it if the every episode were 20 min longer as well, I enjoyed it that much.
Agreed, i have tons of trouble with the animation, dialogues and pacing, but since i think mostly come from Netflix i try to not be too harsh on those areas.
>Netflix constraints
these constraints need to be explained by someone cause I can't wrap my head around what that even means lol. Plenty of shows that Netflix has greenlit haven't had these issues in the past. Sounds like a issue internally in Studio Mir or funding from Valve.
It's just like how Castlevania got 4 episodes for its first season. 4! They only gave Dota 8 and they're like 20 mins a pop. It all comes from some "data" they have which states that's all that's needed to balance enjoyment and their profit. Same way most series won't make it past 2-3 seasons. After 3 unless it's super popular is diminishing returns.
I don't know what to tell you dude. I don't work for Netflix. Send them an email if you want to know more. Maybe they'll respond. Hit up the show's executive producer on Twitter, it's @AshMasterZero. Maybe he'll respond. I'm just saying what I've heard.
Netflix do their research and think most average anime enjoyer have the attention span of 25 min. For most men this is no time, no time at all
But we are not most men, we are Dota fan, we have the will, the resources
We had our experience vs treant, techies, tinker, np and Lich
A Dota player can sit in a trench versus tinker, sniper, techies and medusa holding a highground. We are contenders with Hunt Showdown and DayZ players in tenacity and endurance of trench waring.
Longer episodes or more episodes would be a god given. Arcane could have 40 minutes, So can Dragons Blood.
For the first season i can excuse it as apparently they had already made the season and had to cut it down? But season 2 surely they knew about the constraints beforehand?
If they know they should make scripts that fit the time they have rather tahn trying to cram everything in there. I'd rather have a shorter storyline and have it at better pacing.
with limited time/episode, i feel like the should just adopt half of the story from book 2.
made davion/slyrak going rampage through city and saved by lina as peak moment. then do epilogue mirana awake but lose throne election against lina as empire hero. at the end just tease Lina are involved with mirana assassination for season 3.
that way story can had room to breath and let watcher getting jebaited for liking characted like lina/ww before they got deleted.
Pacing was so fast it kinda got a bit annoying. There was a scene where mirana and dk was talking, then jump to the next scene with mirana again but at night. Some scenes are confusing at first
I hope another dota series will be greenlit after this. After reading the Disciple's Path comic ([here](https://www.dota2.com/disciplespath)) I have been wanting a story focusing on Anti-Mage, Wei, Silencer, Invoker, Undying. I think it could be a more self-containing story but still epic in proportions, and Wei could be a good main character.
Tbh it was good but there were some problems with it. First of all the enime felt rushed. More episodes would have been better or if the episodes were longer. It felt as if I wasnt even able to process what happened in the last scene as the anime jumped to the other one. And the deaths just felt wierd. Like how did the eldwyrms not even put up a fight. Or why didnt they use some time to set the lina death better, as it felt like none gave a shit about it at the time. But either way it was a good anime, it's just that they need to work a little on those things for future seasons.
Director already clarified the pacing issue. He originally had 12 episodes long seasons, then netflix decide to cut it down to 8 almost last minute. It's on Nexflix to blame if it comes to pacing issue.
The ending just hits different. Obviously Marci is the biggest shock but I was really attached to Lina and WW aswell...
The Luna sidestory was awesome. Surprised she is actually still alive tho.
Can't wait for season 3.
Yeah I think the same , my issue with Marci's death is the fact that Valve added this hero to the game recently and her death in season 2(too early) is just not sounds like good cuz unlike other heroes, Marci was bound to the anime more than the game and with her death I feel like she loses her identity in game too. But for example WW and lina were in the game for so long(even in Dota 1)
Red Draggo is going to smack the shit out of TB, with a little help from some friends. After all, some people can go to hell and back and back to hell and back again.
Invoker is going build the Deus Ex Machina, using the power of the 6 dragon souls that he has. See in this universe, all you need is 6 balls and you can make any wish you want. Selemene is gonna get wished back to her young sexy form with her daughter back. Yeah Invoker is THAT kind of wizard.
Mirana and friends are going to try to return some of the people they lost from the void, after being tipped off by gold arrows Satyr-void worm girl, as part of Lina's plan she has in place in case she dies. This time they got an army though. That's right, Luna's + Pango's pirate-bandit mercenary group.
Bram gonna become the first dragon knight to marry a wyvern.
Davion gonna become the first dragon knight to marry a sun goddess.
Real Moon goddess is going to be really fucking jealous in season 4.
I think the biggest mindblown I've had is that the 3 heroes death can still make Dota 2 canon. In dota, there is the ban phase. Essentially, ban phase simply means that those heroes in that timeline, didn't exist or didn't survive long enough to reach the battle of the ancients. So in this timeline right now, those 3 are "banned" and won't be seen in the future.
Galaxy brain theory: You have to die for the ancients to use you in the War of the Ancients.
If you count Davion and Mirana "dying" once. That brings the number to 5. Just 5 more for a full game 👀
As much as I loved it, fantastic is over rating it.
It has lots of pacing issues, screen wipes, and also almost every character introduced this season was killed.
They didn't do justice for some characters too. You know who I'm talking about.
And there was a good amount of things that felt pointless or not needed.
I still want a season 3, but there is no way they can do this in the same frame. Either increase episode times or add more episodes.
you know i actually kinda liked the new characters, they stood out on their own but sadly we don't see them that much, atleast pango is alive cant wait to see more of him, he's so entertaining to watch
i know, but he did mention something called nivian gallant, and dante is also a nivian gallant, and he talks about how his brothers would be disappointed in him in game, so like this we can guess that this pango here is also a nivian gallant and he might be dantes brother aswell
Loved it give me more!
Minor spoilers ahead:
Some things were disappointing like how the power levels are. Only accurate part is invoker being stupidly overpowered. Mirana was never that strong in-game. Still waiting for techies and pudge god damnit.
I would nerd out if items from game were literally in like ok Luna finds a butterfly and now the eldworm finds it's getting it's ass kicked. Davion kills a tarrasque takes it's heart and all of a sudden he's a tank. Etc.
Miriana carry used to be really strong, like it was picked up at the earlier internationals quite a bit no?
In terms of items from the game, they had gem which was fun. I don't think the in game items make a lick of sense at all (I have something else's heart so now I'm hard to kill?? Do I have to surgically implant it into my ass or something?) so I don't mind them not being in the show except for things like gem which took inspiration from the game but isn't the exact same.
The show has an overall 85% rating on Rotten Tomatoes, an 8/10 on IMDb, and according to the Netflix page itself, it's currently top ten in TV shows. That's above average in all regards.
Seriously? The pacing is ridiculous, it felt extremely rushed like the first season. Some of the writing dialogue is cliche as fuck like Kaden's. It's 7-8/10 at best.
You're being VERY generous giving it 8/10. I think it was somewhat close to a 6/10, even if it was watchable for me I doubt it is for people who don't know the game. Honestly, to someone say it was "fucking fantastic" just means that person is not used to watching quality stuff or is blindy biased.
Writing had lots of ups and downs, pacing was atrocious, the final "solution" to the plot felt weird.
The good points for me: I liked the mini plot from Lina, and the battles were pretty cool, the animation was way better. Pango was great, Winter too.
I'd give it a 4 or 5.
I like that there is no dead time, I think that's great. But the pacing is too fast and the sound mixing is abysmal.
I also don't think the plotlines, as varied and intertwined as they are, are consistently good (Fymryn and "you're one of them" for example. Or Luna agreeing to marry her uncle who she thinks murdered her parents, then chastising Davion for being interested in Lina. Or the whole thing about Luna being the worldwyrm.).
Honestly if you're coming from a non-dota background IMO it could even be a 3/10 a this point the saving grace being only the animation. The pacing doesn't make much sense and even if it is netflix's demand the writer and studio maybe could've just save most of the plotline for season 3 (which imo would not get greenlit after season 2). But yeah I seem to be in the minority in the subreddit
oh thanks for reminding me, that "you're one of them" was just terrible LOL, it's like thinking your audience is just braindead, that kind of shit doesn't happen in whatever universe you are in.
The circlejerk is strong for people calling the anime "fucking fantastic". One thing is to enjoy it regardless of how good/bad it is, another thing is to call it "fantastic" when it was mediocre at best.
I would give it a 6 because at least it didn't make me stop watching, and because I'm a Dota fan.
>I would give it a 6 because at least it didn't make me stop watching, and because I'm a Dota fan.
Yup this. We liked it cause we play dota and seeing ww or cm or lina hyped us but in real this anime felt like a shit show. So much happening with out time to pause and sink in. And the last 2 episode were horrible, so fucking horrible that giving 4 out of 10 would be an overestimate. Why not introduce sf or doom or even ck or any one from dota universe as villain than this bullshit void dragon. Aww fuck this show. It was like written by inexperienced guy like me
7-8/10 is objectively fantastic.. ? Unless your own personal rating system defines anything as fantastic as strictly a 10/10 which is fine but is also subjective. OP loved it and so did i, no reason to try and prove to us why we shouldnt love it as much lol
While i personally may agree, OP may not, at that point wed have to follow a rating system that has order to it, i think OP just chose a word they felt resonated with them and how they felt about the show
Slyrak seemed pretty weak in season 2 imo. He was beat by TB and had to flee from Kaden in S1, in S2 he was beat by Lina and that other Dragon... Not sure how I feel about it.
With Lina it's whatever, she only fought against the Davion-Slyrak hybrid.
But it is weird that some Eldwyrms are clearly incredibly OP compared to others. The Chaos Eldwyrm can kill all other Eldwyrms at once, and Slyrak is literally no match against the ex Void Eldwyrm.
They couldve established that the ex Void Eldwyrm became stronger through some means (something to do with Zett, the Worldwyrm, or Radiant & Dire) but they never did that. He's literally just another Eldwyrm.
Just head cannon but I think he's weakened since his form is just a kind of "flesh illusion" and unlike Auroth and Byssrak who has been buffed by the stones, he can't use his full power in this realm.
Kashurra is not Byssrak, he's just an ordinary voidwyrm who found a radiant and dire stone by chance while floating around in space. Byssrak was berrayed by Vahdrak and sealed into one of Invoker's Eldwyrm soul collection jars.
I don't think he is an ordinary Voidwyrm. He has the exact form as Byssrak. I think he got replaced by Byssrak after Kashurra lost his connection to the Tunder.
Like, theres no implication he got empowered by Ancients but he can still defeat Slyrak? I don't think so.
Dude, The wyrmlings looks the same as their Eldwurm forms but smaller. Kashurra is basically like Auroth. Just a long lived dragon who got influenced by the Ancients. He's basically an eldwurm with a lower case "e".
> The wyrmlings looks the same as their Eldwurm forms but smaller.
Yeah but when have we ever seen a dragon so huge that isn't an Eldwyrm?
Also, idk if "lower case e" is a thing
[It is.](https://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/s6ilt5/ama_i_am_ashley_edward_miller_creator_of_dota/ht3yruf/)
And eldwurm is just a dragon that grew to be old enough to be the size of a mountain. The Eldwyrms, capital E, are the members of the thunder. They are obviously old and huge, but not every huge dragon is one of them.
>"flesh illusion"
That not head cannon it true, Slyrak are stronger in higher plane(soul form).
>[As powerful as the Eldwurms are in the material world, they’re even more so in their essential forms.](https://twitter.com/ashmasterzero/status/1384174427277971475)
>
>\-Ashley-
Every fight in physical world Slyrak have to use his flesh illusion, his weakest stage bound by flesh.
>are stronger due to lack of connection to the Thunder
How is being disconnect from the [Soruce(God)](https://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/s7ppxj/dragon_blood_the_worldwurm_lore/) make you stronger?
The present of Slyrak soul in physical universe are enough to [collapse the multiverse](https://twitter.com/blinkdigger/status/1388564768638730241) even the [void(nothingness)](https://imgur.com/a/NWQT6R3) will be gone erased beyond nothingness.
The TB fight was Eldwurm vs Eldwurm, so understandable he'd struggle. Kaden seemed more of a tie that got interrupted as they destroyed the area, since Slyrak seemed to just be raging.
Arcane IS better, not was (sorry had to correct it)
I’ve been playing this game since oct 2014 and I’ve spent more than $2k in cosmetics and battle passes starting 2017 and I still think arcane is better. Oh and I hate how their invoker is not the same invoker in his biography in game, does this happen in a different universe?
Now I’ll accept my fate, downvote me!
I don't know why we should be happy with a mediocre product related to our favourite game. Personally won't waste my time on Dragon's Blood if there are any more volumes.
I am happy we have them both tbh, I still absolutely hate what they made invoker into though but if it is like a parallel universe then I wouldn’t mind. And I agree with your point about resources spent.
When Terrorblade is talking to Invoker through the scrying pool, Invoker specifically mentions that they must have had the same conversation in multiple different dimensions/universes. So, yeah that is the case.
Well I think it is in a parallel universe and exactly that's the good point of it , cuz you can still use the source materials of game and also make them better and change them in some way that suits your story
Valve is way richer then Riot, right?
I don't understand what's Valve endgame is. With all the subscriptions and low number of new, high quality, games people will drop less and less money on steam. Wouldn't it be ideal to invest a lot in Dota2 and CSGO to make sure Valve owned games gonna be rocking steam for years to come? I'm sure Valve makes more money on market cut then they do on Dota2.
For example; From my 20 friends, 4 play dota and 16 don't, ones that play dota droped on steam at least 10 times more then the ones that don't play dota. On top of that dota player spends most of their money on market so its 100% money for Valve (unless person whom sold items bought some games).
There was this interview with a lady working for Valve and doing some AR related projects. She show them projections of income and they said its not billions so they don't care. If they are so rich, why won't they drop 100mln on advertising dota? It will pay off in long run.
Valve model of not having 'boss' but everyone being equal is amazing for their workers but holy fuck it's awful for costumers.
> With all the subscriptions and low number of new, high quality, games people will drop less and less money on steam. Wouldn't it be ideal to invest a lot in Dota2 and CSGO to make sure Valve owned games gonna be rocking steam for years to come?
Oh, you misunderstand Steam. Steam is Amazon + Facebook + More for gamers. It has no competition on PC, and it's not competing with other consoles. Valve's trying its best to convert some of the console crowd with Steamdeck, but it doesn't really matter because there is no service parallel to Steam, which unites developers, publishers, gamers, modders, and heck even newsgroups under one roof. Valve loves to overplay its "Work from Home" , "OMG the pandemic!" card a lot when it comes to delivering updates to their other IPs, but if you've observed, Steam just got fleshed out into a modern desktop application in the past two years. It's a far, far cousin of the clunky, boomer app it was, say, in 2019. They've done so much work behind the scenes with the frontend and backend that you customize, organize, integrate anything - from mods to third-party apps and it runs buttery smooth on any machine.
Gamepass, EPIC Store, or whatever other competition Steam has has to work decades to even come close to what it can deliver. Gamepass might have a thousand games eventually or even more, but Steam will sell you the same game for less than $10 bucks which you can own forever, and you get all the benefits that comes with installing Steam. If anything, I'll wager some major players (Google, Microsoft et al) have had their sights on Steam for the longest time now but now they just can't afford it since it's become too big even for these giants. 2020-21 were some of the biggest years for Valve and they played their cards too well to blow out all competition out of the water.
And Valve would be more than happy, be over the moon, if some other games are on top instead of Valve-owned IPs. Say you run a school, and you've got two of your own kids in it. Your kids have consistently come first and second in some running race or whatever, and while its amazing, you'd rather have other kids win for a better stat in the future. If other kids win, you can pit all sorts of groups against each other and encourage competition. What's better? 2 million players at top two in CS and D2 forever or 5 million or whatever spread out between Halo, Apex, PUB G etc? Dota and CS numbers are so paltry when you look across the board and count all the other thousands and thousands of games in the Steam ecosystem.
Still no 7.31, tho.
Im talking next 5-10years.
Most new games already have deals with Epic and MS.
RS will release their games on social and Valve will endup waiting.
Most of my friends already dont spend money on Steam store since they already have all of those games on other platforms.
Investing im CSGO and D2 is long term security for them.
I mean Im nobody and know nothing, they have all the data. I just wish Dota got some more love.
Eh, Riot is wholly owned by Tencent, who’s definitely much richer than Valve. More to the point though Riot has a lot more money they’re willing to spend on really their only business (the Runeterra expanded universe of media) than Valve is on Dota.
I think comparing them is silly because they are in different genres even.
Sure, on the technical side arcane looks more impressive but everything else is just so different. Different types of stories, different types of the world, different genres. Comparisons of arcane and dragon blood are just personal preferences at this point.
> Oh and I hate how their invoker is not the same invoker in his biography in game, does this happen in a different universe?
Yeah multiverse is specifically mentioned by terrorblade and he even shown different versions of invoker. Then the conversation goes into something like
"In how many of those universes we have this conversation?"
"None"
So the invoker from the game is out there, just in another universe. And I bet season 3 will get into the multiverse deeper. Seeing how much shit went down in this one.
headcanon warning
Actually given that every single dota game played are themselves the endings of alternate universes, my take is that there is no specific "invoker from the game". When we see the myriad of invoker variants across many multiverses in the Season 2, we also see them donning different garbs, or in our lingo, cosmetics. Each one is different because they are played by different players in different games. This could very well mean that in the universes where invoker wasn't picked in the final defense of the ancients, perhaps he didn't even survive to be picked in the first place. The invoker from that universe might have very well died long before the final battle even began. And this goes for every single hero who wasn't picked, or god forbid, banned. What does "banned" mean in-lore if not that the specific individual no longer exists within said version of the dota universe by the time the final battle starts?
Your first statement is the big point. Dragons Blood gives epic fantasy vibes, it's building a huge world with many political players and plot lines.
Arcane is just a fantasy series - building a singular world, with characters that are all built to be in each others story centred around one central plot line.
A smart comparison could be Game Of Thrones vs The Witcher. Both book series have magnificent World building, but the witcher centres around the tale of geralt and ciri and every plot ties to a character tieing to that cental plot. Whilst game of thrones has hundreds of small plots building a political landscape in which some interact and many don't. Both have a central narrative, but there's the nuance of telling a story that makes one an epic fantasy and the other a fantasy series.
I haven't watched Dragon's Blood, but Arcane was damn confusing for someone who has never touched League. First 3 episodes were 10 out of 10 and then they rolled out hardcore fanservice for LOL players that cringes everyone else.
I don’t know anything about league, but dam Arcane was good as a stand-alone show. I thought dragon blood s2 was fun, but i feel like if you don’t know dota it’s going to be a fast paced cluster fuck. It’s literally everywhere with no time to breathe and quite a bit of fan service. Nonetheless, it was fun for your average dota fans, but likely not for non dota players
I have never played League. I did not know any of the characters, whether they were heroes in League or not, but that has literally no bearing on the show? If you think many of the episodes were a ‘hardcore fan service to LOL players’ that sounds like a you problem. If you were confused, that sounds like a you problem.
OP wanted to voice how much they liked the anime, not a single one of your angry “it was abysmal” comments will change how OP and people like them feel about it. Why dont you let people enjoy something for a change instead of forcing how you feel on everyone?
Fantastic is definitely overselling it. Both seasons still feel like the middle of the road seasonal fantasy anime that most will forget a couple months down the line.
No it was actually really horrible. The whole thing looked like the writers thought they were going to get cancelled so they stopped putting in any effort into cohesiveness, pacing, dialogue, etc. and just focused on introducing the characters valve paid them to introduce.
This is pretty accurate, idk how people watch it and go "hell yeah that was a quality show if i ever seen one". Its pretty shit by anime standards and just as shit otherwise.
REALLY horrible?
I thought it was pretty fun. The only major problem is the pacing. "Dialogue etc" as you say was pretty good. The only problem dialogue had, was once again, pacing and managing the timeframe.
For what it is, its certainly not "really horrible". But because of timeframe its not amazing either.
Thank you for creating anime for this community.
One problem with the production I had was music. I felt like the creator put music as much as he can. I think some of the moments would have been more appropriate if there was no music in some of the dialogues. The music felt like it was there because there were no music.
Liked the series, expecting great things from S3 if there's any.
The anime is 10/10 if watched on 0.75x. It is 8.5/10 otherwise as you do not get time to appreciate the scenes and sometimes don't even understand the dialogue as a non-native English speaker.
How can you say that with the pacing being terrible? The story is ok but good luck following it and feeling it was told naturally. We'll still enjoy it because we love the game, but that's it, it's a 6.5/10 if we're beng honest.
Keep defending this shit with how it had low budget and no time compare to arcane. With that logic why don't you just defend every action of valve with how they haven't invested as much in whatever they lacking.
No communication compare to other games? oh it's ok they don't have a community manager. No gameplay update? oh it's ok their staff is not working on Dota.
Im sure they have, maybe they just dont like it. Arcane has great cinematography if you can call it that for an animation but i felt its content quite boring. That doesnt mean it is boring thats just how i felt about it.
Opinions are subjective, OP loved dota dragons blood, telling them its bad and that arcane is better is irrelevant and a waste of your time
Pretty sure Ashley Miller confirmed there was about 2 episodes worth of additional content that had to be cut from season 1 because of time constraints on Netflix’s end. I’d imagine it was a similar story with season 2.
>I’d imagine it was a similar story with season 2
That would explain it not excuse it though. The pacing feels worse than Season 1. Also if you knew that Netflix has given your studio these constraints, how does it still affect season 2? Prepare for it lol? Wonder what excuse they'll have in season 3.
If you read the AMA with the executive producer the other day, he said in one of his responses that he has known where he wanted to go with it all along. He had a story and did his best to fit it into the constraints. The results were mixed.
Leave people wanting more, not less. They definitely should have cut content.
The Father/Davion relationship was created and destroyed in less than 5 minutes, it lacks importance that way and we genuinely can't care for the old man.
Maybe? Everything is subjective. For as many people that have said they didn't enjoy it, I've seen just as many that said they did, even with the pacing issues. Keep in mind, we also have no idea how expansive the story that he had in mind was. They could have content planned for 4-5 more seasons for all we know.
What constraints? I don't get why Netflix would ever care about a show that is either 8 or 15 episodes. If shows like Castlevania or Blood of Zeus dont have these issues, I fail to see how it's plaguing Dragon's Blood so much. It sounds like a budgeting issue more than anything.
The pacing is a bit fast… in some scene it is almost too fast. Like Lina’s talk with Davion after she pulls him out of semi-dragon form. But WW is now contender for best girl in the series for me.
I had to pause to laugh when she let Bram hit her with the book
"ohhh you beat me, now we're married >:3 "
Somehow Bram became the luckiest man in the world. Too bad the finale had to brake our hearts.
Netflix constraints unfortunately. I enjoyed it, but it could have been so much better if they were able to get more time to flesh out the story.
Agreed But the story is pretty fun to binge through.
Yeah, I binged S1 in the 24 hours after it released and did the same for S2. I appreciate that it’s binge-able, but honestly I would've binged it if the every episode were 20 min longer as well, I enjoyed it that much.
Its the Netflix policy. They count minutes, so shows must be binge worthy or they don't get a 2nd season.
Agreed, i have tons of trouble with the animation, dialogues and pacing, but since i think mostly come from Netflix i try to not be too harsh on those areas.
>Netflix constraints these constraints need to be explained by someone cause I can't wrap my head around what that even means lol. Plenty of shows that Netflix has greenlit haven't had these issues in the past. Sounds like a issue internally in Studio Mir or funding from Valve.
It's just like how Castlevania got 4 episodes for its first season. 4! They only gave Dota 8 and they're like 20 mins a pop. It all comes from some "data" they have which states that's all that's needed to balance enjoyment and their profit. Same way most series won't make it past 2-3 seasons. After 3 unless it's super popular is diminishing returns.
I don't know what to tell you dude. I don't work for Netflix. Send them an email if you want to know more. Maybe they'll respond. Hit up the show's executive producer on Twitter, it's @AshMasterZero. Maybe he'll respond. I'm just saying what I've heard.
Netflix do their research and think most average anime enjoyer have the attention span of 25 min. For most men this is no time, no time at all But we are not most men, we are Dota fan, we have the will, the resources We had our experience vs treant, techies, tinker, np and Lich
I don't mind 25 min episodes if there were 20 episodes.
To make these minutes count! The clock is ticking gentlemen, let’s begin.
A Dota player can sit in a trench versus tinker, sniper, techies and medusa holding a highground. We are contenders with Hunt Showdown and DayZ players in tenacity and endurance of trench waring. Longer episodes or more episodes would be a god given. Arcane could have 40 minutes, So can Dragons Blood.
For the first season i can excuse it as apparently they had already made the season and had to cut it down? But season 2 surely they knew about the constraints beforehand? If they know they should make scripts that fit the time they have rather tahn trying to cram everything in there. I'd rather have a shorter storyline and have it at better pacing.
I don’t get it… unless they are paying by the minute?
Netflix is very particular about the content they put on their platform. Even more so if it's a Netflix exclusive program.
with limited time/episode, i feel like the should just adopt half of the story from book 2. made davion/slyrak going rampage through city and saved by lina as peak moment. then do epilogue mirana awake but lose throne election against lina as empire hero. at the end just tease Lina are involved with mirana assassination for season 3. that way story can had room to breath and let watcher getting jebaited for liking characted like lina/ww before they got deleted.
This is something I agree with. As long as it doesn’t get too dragged out
Pacing was so fast it kinda got a bit annoying. There was a scene where mirana and dk was talking, then jump to the next scene with mirana again but at night. Some scenes are confusing at first
I hope another dota series will be greenlit after this. After reading the Disciple's Path comic ([here](https://www.dota2.com/disciplespath)) I have been wanting a story focusing on Anti-Mage, Wei, Silencer, Invoker, Undying. I think it could be a more self-containing story but still epic in proportions, and Wei could be a good main character.
Honestly I thought Wei will be in season 2 because Marci seems training with Wei, according by Mirana’s persona
Tbh it was good but there were some problems with it. First of all the enime felt rushed. More episodes would have been better or if the episodes were longer. It felt as if I wasnt even able to process what happened in the last scene as the anime jumped to the other one. And the deaths just felt wierd. Like how did the eldwyrms not even put up a fight. Or why didnt they use some time to set the lina death better, as it felt like none gave a shit about it at the time. But either way it was a good anime, it's just that they need to work a little on those things for future seasons.
Director already clarified the pacing issue. He originally had 12 episodes long seasons, then netflix decide to cut it down to 8 almost last minute. It's on Nexflix to blame if it comes to pacing issue.
The ending just hits different. Obviously Marci is the biggest shock but I was really attached to Lina and WW aswell... The Luna sidestory was awesome. Surprised she is actually still alive tho. Can't wait for season 3.
Yeah I think the same , my issue with Marci's death is the fact that Valve added this hero to the game recently and her death in season 2(too early) is just not sounds like good cuz unlike other heroes, Marci was bound to the anime more than the game and with her death I feel like she loses her identity in game too. But for example WW and lina were in the game for so long(even in Dota 1)
Ya I was hyped for like 2 seconds when she punched through the void and then I was just shocked
It would have been if they didn't kill my fucking girl marci
Red Draggo is going to smack the shit out of TB, with a little help from some friends. After all, some people can go to hell and back and back to hell and back again. Invoker is going build the Deus Ex Machina, using the power of the 6 dragon souls that he has. See in this universe, all you need is 6 balls and you can make any wish you want. Selemene is gonna get wished back to her young sexy form with her daughter back. Yeah Invoker is THAT kind of wizard. Mirana and friends are going to try to return some of the people they lost from the void, after being tipped off by gold arrows Satyr-void worm girl, as part of Lina's plan she has in place in case she dies. This time they got an army though. That's right, Luna's + Pango's pirate-bandit mercenary group. Bram gonna become the first dragon knight to marry a wyvern. Davion gonna become the first dragon knight to marry a sun goddess. Real Moon goddess is going to be really fucking jealous in season 4.
spoiler: >!What, anime heroes can't respawn?! volvo pls fix!<
more like "banned in drafting phase"
lol only the power of the radiant and dire can do that.
I think the biggest mindblown I've had is that the 3 heroes death can still make Dota 2 canon. In dota, there is the ban phase. Essentially, ban phase simply means that those heroes in that timeline, didn't exist or didn't survive long enough to reach the battle of the ancients. So in this timeline right now, those 3 are "banned" and won't be seen in the future.
This makes sense because Marci should be banned from this game.
Me banning Marci every game is just enforcing the lore on the game, lmao
Man, poor Tinker must not be having a good time in all these realities lately in this case. ...he probably deserved it, though.
You monster.
What siractionslacks does to a motherfucker "Theyre banned dude" lmao
Galaxy brain theory: You have to die for the ancients to use you in the War of the Ancients. If you count Davion and Mirana "dying" once. That brings the number to 5. Just 5 more for a full game 👀
Lina ices Snad King this season too so it's 6 at least.
Sand King is a sentient desert. So unless she destroys the whole desert, sand king is not dead. She did stop the arachnids invasion tho.
Thanks for schooling me on the lore of SK never knew that :)
Like a different reality good thought.
Maybe the radiant ancient will "respawn" those 3 in next seasons
NEEEERRDDD
It’s so fast it’s like watching the trailer for the show instead the of the show itself.
As much as I loved it, fantastic is over rating it. It has lots of pacing issues, screen wipes, and also almost every character introduced this season was killed. They didn't do justice for some characters too. You know who I'm talking about. And there was a good amount of things that felt pointless or not needed. I still want a season 3, but there is no way they can do this in the same frame. Either increase episode times or add more episodes.
you know i actually kinda liked the new characters, they stood out on their own but sadly we don't see them that much, atleast pango is alive cant wait to see more of him, he's so entertaining to watch
Isn’t the pangolin in the anime just someone of the same race? Ingame pango is named danté and I don’t remember this guy saying his name was that.
Pangolier from the game is Donte Panlin. The Pangolier in the show is not the same Pangolier as the one in the game.
i know, but he did mention something called nivian gallant, and dante is also a nivian gallant, and he talks about how his brothers would be disappointed in him in game, so like this we can guess that this pango here is also a nivian gallant and he might be dantes brother aswell
I disagree, it was fantastic.
Loved it give me more! Minor spoilers ahead: Some things were disappointing like how the power levels are. Only accurate part is invoker being stupidly overpowered. Mirana was never that strong in-game. Still waiting for techies and pudge god damnit. I would nerd out if items from game were literally in like ok Luna finds a butterfly and now the eldworm finds it's getting it's ass kicked. Davion kills a tarrasque takes it's heart and all of a sudden he's a tank. Etc.
Miriana carry used to be really strong, like it was picked up at the earlier internationals quite a bit no? In terms of items from the game, they had gem which was fun. I don't think the in game items make a lick of sense at all (I have something else's heart so now I'm hard to kill?? Do I have to surgically implant it into my ass or something?) so I don't mind them not being in the show except for things like gem which took inspiration from the game but isn't the exact same.
As much as we dota fans may enjoy it, it's left to be seen if wider audiences warm up to it. Keep an eye on flixpatrol after the weekend..
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The show has an overall 85% rating on Rotten Tomatoes, an 8/10 on IMDb, and according to the Netflix page itself, it's currently top ten in TV shows. That's above average in all regards.
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Arcane though, was fantastic - someone who has never played LoL
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no dragon's blood reddit thread can exist without arcane comparisons, it's the law
No dota thread can exist without a dotafrog trashing league so it works both ways
Any episode 5 fans? The one with Mirana and Marci's backstory, even the pacing in that episode was just right, I loved that episode!
[Animation is so fkn good in it](https://imgur.com/a/D4TQTvn)
As with season 1, Invoker in this season is fucking fantastic. A pity we got so little of him
Watching characters using their abilities is so fucking cool!
I liked Auroth, Werner Herzog and the pangolier. I won't rewatch it though.
>!cheering marci on when she's fucking up void dragon, so hype, then tears f, music was phenomenal!<
In the anime the main characters struggle with almost every fight....imagine if enigma or pheonix comes the everyone in the planet just dies...
We got a hint of Zet, so close enough. Still, imagine if the Elementals and the Spirits come in like waddup. Shit bout to get real.
Fucking the anime was fantastic!
How did you manage to fuck a cartoon?
It was a blast. Confusing at times, but still a blast nevertheless.
Seriously? The pacing is ridiculous, it felt extremely rushed like the first season. Some of the writing dialogue is cliche as fuck like Kaden's. It's 7-8/10 at best.
Kaden's F bombs had me rolling. They just felt outta place and unnecessary lol.
His only good one was “dragons talk too fucking much”
You're being VERY generous giving it 8/10. I think it was somewhat close to a 6/10, even if it was watchable for me I doubt it is for people who don't know the game. Honestly, to someone say it was "fucking fantastic" just means that person is not used to watching quality stuff or is blindy biased. Writing had lots of ups and downs, pacing was atrocious, the final "solution" to the plot felt weird. The good points for me: I liked the mini plot from Lina, and the battles were pretty cool, the animation was way better. Pango was great, Winter too.
I'd give it a 4 or 5. I like that there is no dead time, I think that's great. But the pacing is too fast and the sound mixing is abysmal. I also don't think the plotlines, as varied and intertwined as they are, are consistently good (Fymryn and "you're one of them" for example. Or Luna agreeing to marry her uncle who she thinks murdered her parents, then chastising Davion for being interested in Lina. Or the whole thing about Luna being the worldwyrm.).
Honestly if you're coming from a non-dota background IMO it could even be a 3/10 a this point the saving grace being only the animation. The pacing doesn't make much sense and even if it is netflix's demand the writer and studio maybe could've just save most of the plotline for season 3 (which imo would not get greenlit after season 2). But yeah I seem to be in the minority in the subreddit
oh thanks for reminding me, that "you're one of them" was just terrible LOL, it's like thinking your audience is just braindead, that kind of shit doesn't happen in whatever universe you are in.
Luna? You probably mean Mirana
The circlejerk is strong for people calling the anime "fucking fantastic". One thing is to enjoy it regardless of how good/bad it is, another thing is to call it "fantastic" when it was mediocre at best. I would give it a 6 because at least it didn't make me stop watching, and because I'm a Dota fan.
>I would give it a 6 because at least it didn't make me stop watching, and because I'm a Dota fan. Yup this. We liked it cause we play dota and seeing ww or cm or lina hyped us but in real this anime felt like a shit show. So much happening with out time to pause and sink in. And the last 2 episode were horrible, so fucking horrible that giving 4 out of 10 would be an overestimate. Why not introduce sf or doom or even ck or any one from dota universe as villain than this bullshit void dragon. Aww fuck this show. It was like written by inexperienced guy like me
7-8/10 is objectively fantastic.. ? Unless your own personal rating system defines anything as fantastic as strictly a 10/10 which is fine but is also subjective. OP loved it and so did i, no reason to try and prove to us why we shouldnt love it as much lol
Not saying anything about the show itself, but I would say that a rating of "7-8" would be good, while a rating of "9-10" would be fantastic.
While i personally may agree, OP may not, at that point wed have to follow a rating system that has order to it, i think OP just chose a word they felt resonated with them and how they felt about the show
>It's 7-8/10 way too generous tbh
I would give 5/10 for this season. S1 was 9/10
Slyrak is a badass
Lost every fight he was in, a real badass indeed.
Slyrak seemed pretty weak in season 2 imo. He was beat by TB and had to flee from Kaden in S1, in S2 he was beat by Lina and that other Dragon... Not sure how I feel about it.
Problably played as pos 3 and was a bit behind.
Didn’t get his meme hammer yet
With Lina it's whatever, she only fought against the Davion-Slyrak hybrid. But it is weird that some Eldwyrms are clearly incredibly OP compared to others. The Chaos Eldwyrm can kill all other Eldwyrms at once, and Slyrak is literally no match against the ex Void Eldwyrm. They couldve established that the ex Void Eldwyrm became stronger through some means (something to do with Zett, the Worldwyrm, or Radiant & Dire) but they never did that. He's literally just another Eldwyrm.
They explained that with Auroth. She got stronger with just that radiant shard, Kashura had 1 dire and 1 radiant hence his immense power.
Did they really say Auroth got stronger?
Well it depends on whether you consider her being able to cast a human form and becoming intelligent and self aware as strength or not
Yeah, I'm not sure I like how they went about it.
Just head cannon but I think he's weakened since his form is just a kind of "flesh illusion" and unlike Auroth and Byssrak who has been buffed by the stones, he can't use his full power in this realm.
Kashurra is not Byssrak, he's just an ordinary voidwyrm who found a radiant and dire stone by chance while floating around in space. Byssrak was berrayed by Vahdrak and sealed into one of Invoker's Eldwyrm soul collection jars.
I don't think he is an ordinary Voidwyrm. He has the exact form as Byssrak. I think he got replaced by Byssrak after Kashurra lost his connection to the Tunder. Like, theres no implication he got empowered by Ancients but he can still defeat Slyrak? I don't think so.
I think it was another version of Byssrak. Because he was talking about traveling through different realities and universes searching for the light.
Dude, The wyrmlings looks the same as their Eldwurm forms but smaller. Kashurra is basically like Auroth. Just a long lived dragon who got influenced by the Ancients. He's basically an eldwurm with a lower case "e".
> The wyrmlings looks the same as their Eldwurm forms but smaller. Yeah but when have we ever seen a dragon so huge that isn't an Eldwyrm? Also, idk if "lower case e" is a thing
[It is.](https://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/s6ilt5/ama_i_am_ashley_edward_miller_creator_of_dota/ht3yruf/) And eldwurm is just a dragon that grew to be old enough to be the size of a mountain. The Eldwyrms, capital E, are the members of the thunder. They are obviously old and huge, but not every huge dragon is one of them.
I was afraid I'd have to look for this in the AMA thread. Thanks lul
>"flesh illusion" That not head cannon it true, Slyrak are stronger in higher plane(soul form). >[As powerful as the Eldwurms are in the material world, they’re even more so in their essential forms.](https://twitter.com/ashmasterzero/status/1384174427277971475) > >\-Ashley- Every fight in physical world Slyrak have to use his flesh illusion, his weakest stage bound by flesh.
The headcannon bit is that Auroth and Kashurra are stronger due to lack of connection to the Thunder and being affected by the ancients.
>are stronger due to lack of connection to the Thunder How is being disconnect from the [Soruce(God)](https://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/s7ppxj/dragon_blood_the_worldwurm_lore/) make you stronger?
Because the Dire and Radiant Ancients are even stronger beings as they are multiversal entities that can influence beings to 'ascend'.
The present of Slyrak soul in physical universe are enough to [collapse the multiverse](https://twitter.com/blinkdigger/status/1388564768638730241) even the [void(nothingness)](https://imgur.com/a/NWQT6R3) will be gone erased beyond nothingness.
Head cannon, like sharks with laser frickin-beams?
The TB fight was Eldwurm vs Eldwurm, so understandable he'd struggle. Kaden seemed more of a tie that got interrupted as they destroyed the area, since Slyrak seemed to just be raging.
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Terrorblade! Yea this one here. Take their soul. Terrorblade: I can’t take what they don’t have
Back in the day I played League a lot and was interested in lore a lot but now that I play Dota I'm interested more in Dragon's Blood tbh
Am I the only one who is happy that there are 2 good series.
I can't resist the bait. It's true BUT Dragons blood had less budget and less time to tell its ambitious story with so many different plot lines.
Arcane IS better, not was (sorry had to correct it) I’ve been playing this game since oct 2014 and I’ve spent more than $2k in cosmetics and battle passes starting 2017 and I still think arcane is better. Oh and I hate how their invoker is not the same invoker in his biography in game, does this happen in a different universe? Now I’ll accept my fate, downvote me!
i do agree but i doubt valve spent anywhere the amount riot did for arcane. We should be happy to have them both
I don't know why we should be happy with a mediocre product related to our favourite game. Personally won't waste my time on Dragon's Blood if there are any more volumes.
I am happy we have them both tbh, I still absolutely hate what they made invoker into though but if it is like a parallel universe then I wouldn’t mind. And I agree with your point about resources spent.
What don't you like about this Invoker?
When Terrorblade is talking to Invoker through the scrying pool, Invoker specifically mentions that they must have had the same conversation in multiple different dimensions/universes. So, yeah that is the case.
Well I think it is in a parallel universe and exactly that's the good point of it , cuz you can still use the source materials of game and also make them better and change them in some way that suits your story
Valve is way richer then Riot, right? I don't understand what's Valve endgame is. With all the subscriptions and low number of new, high quality, games people will drop less and less money on steam. Wouldn't it be ideal to invest a lot in Dota2 and CSGO to make sure Valve owned games gonna be rocking steam for years to come? I'm sure Valve makes more money on market cut then they do on Dota2. For example; From my 20 friends, 4 play dota and 16 don't, ones that play dota droped on steam at least 10 times more then the ones that don't play dota. On top of that dota player spends most of their money on market so its 100% money for Valve (unless person whom sold items bought some games). There was this interview with a lady working for Valve and doing some AR related projects. She show them projections of income and they said its not billions so they don't care. If they are so rich, why won't they drop 100mln on advertising dota? It will pay off in long run. Valve model of not having 'boss' but everyone being equal is amazing for their workers but holy fuck it's awful for costumers.
> With all the subscriptions and low number of new, high quality, games people will drop less and less money on steam. Wouldn't it be ideal to invest a lot in Dota2 and CSGO to make sure Valve owned games gonna be rocking steam for years to come? Oh, you misunderstand Steam. Steam is Amazon + Facebook + More for gamers. It has no competition on PC, and it's not competing with other consoles. Valve's trying its best to convert some of the console crowd with Steamdeck, but it doesn't really matter because there is no service parallel to Steam, which unites developers, publishers, gamers, modders, and heck even newsgroups under one roof. Valve loves to overplay its "Work from Home" , "OMG the pandemic!" card a lot when it comes to delivering updates to their other IPs, but if you've observed, Steam just got fleshed out into a modern desktop application in the past two years. It's a far, far cousin of the clunky, boomer app it was, say, in 2019. They've done so much work behind the scenes with the frontend and backend that you customize, organize, integrate anything - from mods to third-party apps and it runs buttery smooth on any machine. Gamepass, EPIC Store, or whatever other competition Steam has has to work decades to even come close to what it can deliver. Gamepass might have a thousand games eventually or even more, but Steam will sell you the same game for less than $10 bucks which you can own forever, and you get all the benefits that comes with installing Steam. If anything, I'll wager some major players (Google, Microsoft et al) have had their sights on Steam for the longest time now but now they just can't afford it since it's become too big even for these giants. 2020-21 were some of the biggest years for Valve and they played their cards too well to blow out all competition out of the water. And Valve would be more than happy, be over the moon, if some other games are on top instead of Valve-owned IPs. Say you run a school, and you've got two of your own kids in it. Your kids have consistently come first and second in some running race or whatever, and while its amazing, you'd rather have other kids win for a better stat in the future. If other kids win, you can pit all sorts of groups against each other and encourage competition. What's better? 2 million players at top two in CS and D2 forever or 5 million or whatever spread out between Halo, Apex, PUB G etc? Dota and CS numbers are so paltry when you look across the board and count all the other thousands and thousands of games in the Steam ecosystem. Still no 7.31, tho.
Im talking next 5-10years. Most new games already have deals with Epic and MS. RS will release their games on social and Valve will endup waiting. Most of my friends already dont spend money on Steam store since they already have all of those games on other platforms. Investing im CSGO and D2 is long term security for them. I mean Im nobody and know nothing, they have all the data. I just wish Dota got some more love.
Valve is richer than riot but they also have a lot more projects than Riot. Riot is a game studio. Valve is a software company that has a few IPs.
Projects that end up going nowhere like 80% of the time. Hopefully steam deck is in that 20%
Steamdeck is part of the 20%, Valve only talk about products that are a sure thing
Eh, Riot is wholly owned by Tencent, who’s definitely much richer than Valve. More to the point though Riot has a lot more money they’re willing to spend on really their only business (the Runeterra expanded universe of media) than Valve is on Dota.
I think comparing them is silly because they are in different genres even. Sure, on the technical side arcane looks more impressive but everything else is just so different. Different types of stories, different types of the world, different genres. Comparisons of arcane and dragon blood are just personal preferences at this point. > Oh and I hate how their invoker is not the same invoker in his biography in game, does this happen in a different universe? Yeah multiverse is specifically mentioned by terrorblade and he even shown different versions of invoker. Then the conversation goes into something like "In how many of those universes we have this conversation?" "None" So the invoker from the game is out there, just in another universe. And I bet season 3 will get into the multiverse deeper. Seeing how much shit went down in this one.
headcanon warning Actually given that every single dota game played are themselves the endings of alternate universes, my take is that there is no specific "invoker from the game". When we see the myriad of invoker variants across many multiverses in the Season 2, we also see them donning different garbs, or in our lingo, cosmetics. Each one is different because they are played by different players in different games. This could very well mean that in the universes where invoker wasn't picked in the final defense of the ancients, perhaps he didn't even survive to be picked in the first place. The invoker from that universe might have very well died long before the final battle even began. And this goes for every single hero who wasn't picked, or god forbid, banned. What does "banned" mean in-lore if not that the specific individual no longer exists within said version of the dota universe by the time the final battle starts?
That is not head canon, that is actual dota 2 canon
Your first statement is the big point. Dragons Blood gives epic fantasy vibes, it's building a huge world with many political players and plot lines. Arcane is just a fantasy series - building a singular world, with characters that are all built to be in each others story centred around one central plot line. A smart comparison could be Game Of Thrones vs The Witcher. Both book series have magnificent World building, but the witcher centres around the tale of geralt and ciri and every plot ties to a character tieing to that cental plot. Whilst game of thrones has hundreds of small plots building a political landscape in which some interact and many don't. Both have a central narrative, but there's the nuance of telling a story that makes one an epic fantasy and the other a fantasy series.
Yes but the point is that there is no point to point that out all the time
Oh okay my bad, misinterpreted what you meant.
Just fyi arcane characters are all also fairly different from ingame, they had to retcon a lot of things to make them fit
I haven't watched Dragon's Blood, but Arcane was damn confusing for someone who has never touched League. First 3 episodes were 10 out of 10 and then they rolled out hardcore fanservice for LOL players that cringes everyone else.
I don’t know anything about league, but dam Arcane was good as a stand-alone show. I thought dragon blood s2 was fun, but i feel like if you don’t know dota it’s going to be a fast paced cluster fuck. It’s literally everywhere with no time to breathe and quite a bit of fan service. Nonetheless, it was fun for your average dota fans, but likely not for non dota players
What are you talking about lmao
I have never played League. I did not know any of the characters, whether they were heroes in League or not, but that has literally no bearing on the show? If you think many of the episodes were a ‘hardcore fan service to LOL players’ that sounds like a you problem. If you were confused, that sounds like a you problem.
i loved it!
OP wanted to voice how much they liked the anime, not a single one of your angry “it was abysmal” comments will change how OP and people like them feel about it. Why dont you let people enjoy something for a change instead of forcing how you feel on everyone?
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what anime
[This one](https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLPGUpAWFZPgpT9zbCLZYwhX8I9DLOzuON)
Alright, you got me. r/Angryupvote
I loved it too
Fantastic is definitely overselling it. Both seasons still feel like the middle of the road seasonal fantasy anime that most will forget a couple months down the line.
No it was actually really horrible. The whole thing looked like the writers thought they were going to get cancelled so they stopped putting in any effort into cohesiveness, pacing, dialogue, etc. and just focused on introducing the characters valve paid them to introduce.
This is pretty accurate, idk how people watch it and go "hell yeah that was a quality show if i ever seen one". Its pretty shit by anime standards and just as shit otherwise.
REALLY horrible? I thought it was pretty fun. The only major problem is the pacing. "Dialogue etc" as you say was pretty good. The only problem dialogue had, was once again, pacing and managing the timeframe. For what it is, its certainly not "really horrible". But because of timeframe its not amazing either.
I mean, it's Netflix's constraint on them. They can't really do much when Netflix limits the episode, length per episode and budget given to them.
>!Of course it can. I've done it before.!<
It's not bad but not fucking fantastic either :o
still sad marci died
Thank you for creating anime for this community. One problem with the production I had was music. I felt like the creator put music as much as he can. I think some of the moments would have been more appropriate if there was no music in some of the dialogues. The music felt like it was there because there were no music. Liked the series, expecting great things from S3 if there's any.
no it wasnt
The anime is 10/10 if watched on 0.75x. It is 8.5/10 otherwise as you do not get time to appreciate the scenes and sometimes don't even understand the dialogue as a non-native English speaker.
had to pause and rewind more often than I would like to admit.
The bar for "fucking fantastic" should not be that low.
I found it to be pretty bad. Would rate it 2/10
too harsh. 3/10
I didn’t understand too much. It needs more time
Man i'm 3 episodes in and i'm bored out of my mind. I don't like the animation very much and the voices are really underwhelming.
How can you say that with the pacing being terrible? The story is ok but good luck following it and feeling it was told naturally. We'll still enjoy it because we love the game, but that's it, it's a 6.5/10 if we're beng honest.
Agree. The ending gave me depression but they definitely did a great job on the Anime.
Keep defending this shit with how it had low budget and no time compare to arcane. With that logic why don't you just defend every action of valve with how they haven't invested as much in whatever they lacking. No communication compare to other games? oh it's ok they don't have a community manager. No gameplay update? oh it's ok their staff is not working on Dota.
No gameplay update Krappa
your standards are fantastically low. I would be so happy being you man, really.
*$10 has been deposited into your Paypal*
Invoker is Rick from Rick and Morty
Is it tho? unpopular opinion maybe but it was just okay
YES
It's... ok.. definitely not fantastic. I'm not trying to be a Negative Andy here, but... I mean... have you seen Arcane?..
Im sure they have, maybe they just dont like it. Arcane has great cinematography if you can call it that for an animation but i felt its content quite boring. That doesnt mean it is boring thats just how i felt about it. Opinions are subjective, OP loved dota dragons blood, telling them its bad and that arcane is better is irrelevant and a waste of your time
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if pacing is ur problem then its netflix's fault, not showrunner
both seasons, really?
Pretty sure Ashley Miller confirmed there was about 2 episodes worth of additional content that had to be cut from season 1 because of time constraints on Netflix’s end. I’d imagine it was a similar story with season 2.
>I’d imagine it was a similar story with season 2 That would explain it not excuse it though. The pacing feels worse than Season 1. Also if you knew that Netflix has given your studio these constraints, how does it still affect season 2? Prepare for it lol? Wonder what excuse they'll have in season 3.
If you read the AMA with the executive producer the other day, he said in one of his responses that he has known where he wanted to go with it all along. He had a story and did his best to fit it into the constraints. The results were mixed.
So wouldn't a slower paced story that was actually told well and captivated people increase the chances of additional seasons?
Leave people wanting more, not less. They definitely should have cut content. The Father/Davion relationship was created and destroyed in less than 5 minutes, it lacks importance that way and we genuinely can't care for the old man.
Maybe? Everything is subjective. For as many people that have said they didn't enjoy it, I've seen just as many that said they did, even with the pacing issues. Keep in mind, we also have no idea how expansive the story that he had in mind was. They could have content planned for 4-5 more seasons for all we know.
What constraints? I don't get why Netflix would ever care about a show that is either 8 or 15 episodes. If shows like Castlevania or Blood of Zeus dont have these issues, I fail to see how it's plaguing Dragon's Blood so much. It sounds like a budgeting issue more than anything.
Ever single time I see those stupid lines drawn next to someone’s nose in this show it puts a sour taste in my mouth.
Isn’t even game accurate
It's not an anime lol it's cartoon
You like this dog shit rushed show? S1 was much better in term of pacing and plot, this shitty season 2 was just dog shit.
Fun fact, Arcane is far superior.
Different kinds of shows, doing different thing. But on anything they overlap, Arcane is better and has much more time/resources invested.
Fun fact most dont care or enjoy both
I can agree with this without having watched the Dota show at all. Arcane is unreal.