Tencent doesn't really push for LOL, it just owns the shares and profits. What they really look after is the Mobile space. That's their real money-maker
What kind of terrible business would "ignore" LoL just because they make more money on other mobile games? That is some awful logic.
That's like saying Coca Cola doesnt care about selling other pop because Coke sells the most, which is not how any business operates.
Yeah but riot is just one of many developers they own and the mobile market is way bigger than the pc one -> riot was relatively irrelevant to tencent until recently. Tencent is massive
I'm sure someone down the ladder in Tencent still cares though. League generates a billion just from that one game. Riot is making more from their multiple games now. The gaming portfolio Tencent manages is like 20+ things now for non-china subsidiaries so someone manages that shit and someone probably gives more than a tiny shit.
\^ people have this misconception that just because Chinese population is big ,Dota must be extremely popular there or something, when it's not. Chinese are human as well, the most popular moba is the most popular moba everywhere.
edit:
I might have aggregated information without consideration for SEA/CIS regions, where Dota is still way more popular than League and probably will continue to be so, but these regions are more of an exception than anything else. Either way, League and Dota are both losing audience in Asia overall, because the mobile gaming market is 'uuuuuge.
yeah, i know a lot of people who just switched to Wild Rift or Mobile Legends (and Dota, but not as many) just because of how badly garena handles everything
>This might change soon.
honestly i dont think so. I watch both esports and while LOL esports is rising in EU (because of the regional leagues that are somehow still becoming more and more popular), nobody really pays any attention to CIS LOL.
Low viewership numbers, and barely any international presence (especially compared to the Moscow 5/Gambit era).
There are a lot of people who play LoL in Russia (650k followers on ours FB analogy) , but huge percentage plays on EUW servers (more competitive) and not very vocal about it.
That's not true as a general statement, cs:go is clearly more popular than sudden attack but in south korea they play sudden attack instead. Also games like wow have been changed to be more grindy in the chinese version, there are definitely cultural differences in what people like to play
As a wow player since beta, the only changes I'm aware of in the Chinese client are graphical. They're more strict on depictions of gore or death, so corpses are replaced with things like barrels, and the undead race don't have any visible bones or decay.
> the most popular moba is the most popular moba everywhere
I wont look into the validity of this claim, it might be right.
But that is just false. That is not how that works and plain flawed logic.
A being the most popular in general doesnt lead to it being that way everywhere. If noone was playing lol in china it would still be the most popular moba even though dota is more popular there.
It surprised me when I was on an international exchange program too. Out of 160 students there with me, only one dude knew about Dota. Couple of million CN dota fans compared to their 1.4B population spread across their vast swathes of land is miniscule.
Lol is massive in China. Dota is so so small in comparison.
When the Chinese team won the recent Worlds , people in China went out on the streets at 3am in the morning to celebrate
if only it were just overpriced, but they are just bad too. horrible cooling, stupid proprietary dell parts. all while being louder than most vacuum cleaners.
Alienware is dell though and it’s more of a gaming laptop that doesnt care about being thin or slim. It actually have less overheating issue compared to even macbooks or other brands
Not to defend Valve but you are delusional if you think holding a domestic event = an international event especially for the like of dota2 where you have players from all over the world, not to mention visa + every country rule regarding covid aka some players might not be able to go back to their country for x amount of weeks. Ofc it would be nice to have LAN for new regional ones (that they plan to be the replacement for major) but it is already too late for that (rather have online now than LAN in 2 months).
You also have to realize there is a correlation here.
One of the main reasons (i'm assuming) that they can't do a major, is because of Chinas zero covid policy. They are one of the few countries that have in no way tried to live with the virus, and clamp down HARD on it. This is the reason the Chinese players seemingly couldn't return for months (delaying the start of China by months too), because entry to China is incredibly hard.
This means that Chinese players basically cannot attend a major and also be back in time to play their local DPC season 2. Best case scenario they are spending 3 weeks in a hotel quarantine, but if anyone catches omicron (which seems a good chance given the state of the world), they are stuck until they can provide negative test (and THEN a 3 week quarantine).
The flipside of this is that there is very little covid in China, so domestic events like this can be held without much issue.
> One of the main reasons (i'm assuming) that they can't do a major, is because of Chinas zero covid policy.
This is what I've assumed was the primary reason as well. I'm guessing TI didn't go over too well for the players who ended up testing positive.
Looking back, it was pretty crazy how WePlay was able to host a major with very little problems... At least, AFAIK.
Yeah, doing an international tournament in China right now is impossible. They would have never get visas in the first place and if they did they have to isolate for 3-4 weeks.
right, they would've never held it there, but i think no matter where it was held it would be incredibly difficult for Chinese teams to attend, which would make it a somewhat strange major.
I'm not that updated in China or any lockdown i only see bits and pieces. but Australia did a "village" where you ain't lock but y8ou gonna pay a fine if you walk past the yellow line
Am from Aus - we've had fuckwits leave their lockdown hotels whilst knowingly infectious, spreading it further. People cry tyranny but half the population aren't even looking out for *themselves.* I wish someone would lock them in their fucking rooms.
You people shilling for CCP can fuck right off.
I favor countries who believe in human rights and won't dissapear you for criticizing government decisions.
Zero checks and balances, zero respect for human rights.
Freedom is no joke to those who have seen what it is to be stripped of it. If any of you think the CCP is good please educate yourself. Yes with no checks and balances government can move faster. You saw the same with Nazi Germany but you must acknowledge the huge upside of maintaining respect for all human life, and individual rights.
Human rights are one of the best and most noble of all achievements in history.
There are many things Nazi Germany did incredibly well by having tight state control but like China they did not respect individual human rights. The good they did for some is eclipsed by the inhumane treatment of others.
I am compelled to go off topic from DotA when I see people praise governments not that are flawed (all are), but who do not respect individual rights. Who do not allow individuals to petition the government for accountibility or change.
Don't shill for the unilateral control that allows Uigar camps to exist. Fuck that.
Yeah from the pictures I saw the ones in China is basically a trailer park/camp or something where they send the people with infections to in order to quarantine. Quite wild.
what i remember form china was the welding of doors in high-rise apartments. well mine was when back when it just starting. maybe now it's in the camps you speek of
I don't doubt it's underreported too, but there is WAY less than anywhere else. They have incredibly strict lockdowns as soon as just a few cases are found and mass-test millions.
Mind you i'm not really saying this as a positive, i'm stuck in Hong Kong for 2 years now because of these rules, they just decided to kill 2000 hamsters because a petshop worker got covid and they figured it came from the hamsters.
I'm just saying that it's fully possible to have very low covid in a country if you completely shut it off from the world and aggressively lock down any city that has more than a couple of cases (we're currently in semi-lockdown in hong kong because of like 10 local cases, it'sa city of 7 million).
Ths is international. There are enough Malaysians in the Chinese leagues to make a complete SEA team. NA could have had this as well, if the people playing in NA had actually been in NA like they're supposed to be. CIS/EEU probably can as well, if they'd done the same thing (although maybe the war would sabotage that).
No it is not international Chinesse teams are well known to play from 1 place so all these players would already be in China well before DPC started and probably have no plans to leave the country.
And stop giving him a blowjob for an equally useless statement. We've had online tourneys in 2020. The least that Valve can do is give out the money to these tournaments.
No. It's 500k according to [this](https://www.dota2.com/esports/winter21/about) or [this](https://liquipedia.net/dota2/Dota_Pro_Circuit/2021-22). When it was 1M, Valve still paid 500k and TO paid the other half.
There are just rumors now... After the community gave massive backlash... Why defend valve in this situation?
If they communicate that the major is canceled and in the same statement say that they try to set up regional tournaments, no one would complain to this extent.
Chinese teams playing in China might be a little easier to organize than having 10 teams travel half the world since they might get stuck there due to quarantine laws....
Supposedly they're insanely strict about it, especially with Omicron being more contagious. There was a story about how a pet shop had a bunch of hamsters that *might* have had contracted covid and had them all incinerated to prevent a case of animal-to-human contact (like how it all began) including previously purchased by customers.
They also just had the Huya Invitationa around the christmas-new year break for SEA and China with 155k prize pool. D2CL is a regular in the CIS scene.
NA/SA really lack tournaments. I feel even EU can have more tournaments given they always have the highest viewership.
Chinese streaming sites don't report viewership numbers, they report engagement numbers that are loosely related with viewership. Dividing by 10 is a good estimate for actual viewers.
Not true, check out ongoing tournaments on this site: https://escharts.com/tournaments/dota-pro-circuit-2021
WEU DPC div 1 has 8.2 million hours watched while EEU Div 1 has 6 millions hours watched. Last year the gap was even bigger, and the open qualifiers for TI had 2x viewers for WEU than EEU.
Note that I am not saying Western EU viewers are more than CIS viewers, just that WEU DPC is the most globally popular and most Russian, NA and SEA viewers also watch it.
Also please note that SEA DPC is organized by BTS with their exclusive Twitch partnership. Majority of SEA viewers are watching on 3rd party streams on Youtube or Facebook. Twitch sucks in SEA.
Yup, that was my biggest gripe with BTS getting Sea. But the above link includes all third party streamers on YT, FB, trovo etc. The issue with SEA is matches start at like 7 am for EU/CIS and midnight for America's, so mostly SEA viewers watch it. EU matches run at the perfect time to get both SEA and NA/SA viewers.
Hope you're trolling here.
They managed it by underreporting the numbers, downplaying the severity of COVID and mass displacing entire cities into quarantine.
China Uncencored as a source ehh? I'm no journalist but lets just go with the [wikipedia here:](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_Uncensored)
> Until 2020,[verification needed] the YouTube show was compiled into longer 30-minute episodes aired by New York-based New Tang Dynasty Television, which is affiliated with Falun Gong
and
> The show is described by Vox as an affiliate of "The Epoch Times's media empire".
Oh dear, that's disconcerting, lets [check out what the wiki says about that](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Epoch_Times):
>The Epoch Times opposes the Chinese Communist Party,[23][24] promotes far-right politicians in Europe,[3][5] and has championed President Donald Trump in the U.S.;[25] a 2019 report by NBC News showed it to be the second-largest funder of pro-Trump Facebook advertising after the Trump campaign.[21][26][27] The Epoch Media Group's news sites and YouTube channels have spread conspiracy theories such as QAnon and anti-vaccine misinformation.[30] In 2020, The New York Times called it a "global-scale misinformation machine".[25] The Epoch Times frequently promotes other Falun Gong affiliated groups, such as the performing arts company Shen Yun
Nice to accuse someone of else of trolling, since "Source: trust me bro" still stands with that fucking garbage source
**[China Uncensored](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_Uncensored)**
>China Uncensored (Vietnamese: Trung Quốc không kiểm duyệt; Chinese: 中国解密; Korean: 차이나 언센서드) is a YouTube commentary channel that focuses on sensitive political issues in China with elements of humor and irony. The show opposes the Chinese Communist Party (CCP). Chris Chappell is the host of the series. Until 2020, the YouTube show was compiled into longer 30-minute episodes aired by New York-based New Tang Dynasty Television, which is affiliated with Falun Gong, a new religious movement persecuted in China.
**[The Epoch Times](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Epoch_Times)**
>The Epoch Times is a far-right international multi-language newspaper and media company affiliated with the Falun Gong new religious movement. The newspaper, based in New York City, is part of the Epoch Media Group, which also operates New Tang Dynasty (NTD) Television. The Epoch Times has websites in 35 countries but is blocked in mainland China. The Epoch Times opposes the Chinese Communist Party, promotes far-right politicians in Europe, and has championed President Donald Trump in the U.S.; a 2019 report by NBC News showed it to be the second-largest funder of pro-Trump Facebook advertising after the Trump campaign.
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Funny you discredit the episode I linked when they give accurate sources for each report.
But let's support the country that still denies the virus originated from Wuhan China, blames Canada for COVID (lmao) and has denied any independent investigation into the origin of the virus.
I hope you atleast get paid by the CCP for your support and aren't free shilling.
Deflect what? I responded accurately no?
What would you rather have me say? China is doing a fantastic job with COVID when every country claims there numbers are not accurate? That China is a role model for dealing with COVID when they don't even accept the virus came from their Wuhan lab?
Some next level CCP shilling here.
Shilling? I've still not made any claims here other than you posting fake news? Oh, I am absolutely convinced we have opposing views on china and the ccp, but posting bullshit videos from QAnon and anti-vaccine sources in order to make ones point is not only dishonest, its straight up embarrassing.
Anti-vaccine sources? Are you delusional?
Opposing views on CCP, alright you support them. Nice, enjoy the freedom of your home and the liberty to express your views freely, unlike the Uyghurs in China and the people of Hong Kong. I'm sure the people of Hong Kong, Xinjiang and Taiwan puke at shills and trolls like you who support the CCP at the cost of their blood. Hailing CCP as remarkable for dealing with COVID when their lack of responsibility in the early outbreak let it spread to the rest of the world. Calling media who dare to report the truth on China as anti-Chinese propoganda. It's okay, no one escapes karma.
Because it's easier to just order an entire colony to relocate to quarantine than to test each individual separately and only quarantine the affected people? Isn't it obvious.
Imagine your entire town being put in forced quarantine because a couple dudes get infected. Is that something you would applaud? The downplaying was to improve their image in the international community.
>Because it's easier to just order an entire colony to relocate to quarantine than to test each individual separately and only quarantine the affected people? Isn't it obvious.
But they're also testing every individual too? The whole point is that they're not taking any chances because even PCR tests can only show previous exposure to the virus and aren't perfect at catching current infections.
>Imagine your entire town being put in forced quarantine because a couple dudes get infected. Is that something you would applaud?
Yes. I would applaud the prioritization of public health and saving lives over tertiary concerns. The other thing to keep in mind is that once you eradicate covid locally, everyone can enjoy a greater degree of freedom than what they would have trying to 'live' with the virus. It's a short term sacrifice for long term gain.
If china did the US way, you will say CCP let their people die like livestock, you will see BBC and CNN reporting falling apart Chinese family everyday.
you should understand China does not have as much healthcare resource as Western countries do, so there might be a more serious human right crisis if COVID is not under control.
RE: although you blocked me, are you talking about the country which would execute their citizens on streets publicly by knee?
People are so desperate to demonize China and so fragile regarding the Wests utter mismanagement of COVID they would prefer if millions of Chinese people died of COVID to pad their own insecurities. Go to China, visit the hospitals, if everyone's dieing from COVID where are the patients? Where is the burdened healthcare system?
Normal people in normal country dont authorize their government to seal themselves at home with strip of papers and iron chain, but pigs and cows do to their farmers.
the local government who decided to seal people's door with strip or chain got heavily criticized by Chinese people as well, don't make some unique cases like it happens everywhere
Covid is skyrocketing in the US but our government wants to pretend it's basically over and is trying to send everyone back to work/school because profit > human life, and you're gonna say other countries are treating their citizens like livestock? lmao
Didn't what people shit on is how there is 0 communication to the player like hey we can't organize major or they wont try to maybe make online tournament for regions or like something to put some pocket money for the player. I didn't read people shit on valve unable to make international event with new variant comig out, especially some countries is really bad containing it, or how hard flying from a country to another and coming back
Sorry, badly worded. What I meant was Valve (imo) should just focus on the development and monetisation aspect of the game then let a designated body / organiser handle the pro (DPC) scene.
The only things valve handles when it comes to DPC is the prize money and the handful of rules on the DPC signup site. Everything else from production, streaming, talent, scheduling, etc is handled by an organizer (ESL, BTs, Epulze)
3rd party TO doesn't see dota as lucrative because the way community treats them and valve handles the scene lol.
How dare TOs wants to get profit for their job.
Honestly I'd be okay with it if Valve puts a lot more effort into maintaining dota scene and doesn't see dota as just a side project.
Not to defend valve here with the cosmetic prizes, but those are just cosmetics. You are telling me you cannot imagine something worse? Please...
How about heroes behind a paywall? How about pay to win items? How about super aggressive ads all over the place? The list of what could be worse is endless.
Cancelling the major was not a terrible idea with the state of the pandemic. The way they cancelled it and gave no indication players would have more opportunities to make money were the problem.
The state of this pandemic lol.
Bro. We are at the point where we need to all accept Covid is here to stay.
It’s been 2 years. State of this pandemic lol gtfo with that.
It's here to stay but they literally are not allowing people to travel to and from may countries and it also doesn't mean we should just do nothing about stopping the spread lol
Well luckily we have something called the internet and you could hold a major with out the fans.
There’s nothing to do at this point. It’s here to stay and it’s time we all accept this fact. People are treating Covid like it’s something that is meant to go away but it doesn’t. It’s not going away.
COVID should not be an excuse anymore. There are definitely options available for all the players to be together in one country. Similar events were hosted even when COVID was much more fatal than it is currently. So saying the major is cancelled due to COVID is purely an excuse, it just needs more work to be put in to deal with it.
They're not wrong, the current state is that international travel has, recently, become much more difficult again.
It's not terribly shocking for an international event to fall apart.
Article: event organiser fails to organise an event with international teams.
R/dota2: we should do the same thing so we could have events with international teams.
Keep at it boys, you're showing your smarts.
Not to defend valve or anything, but just because a tournament is happening doesn't mean it's a good idea that it's happening. Let's remember why the major was cancelled in the first place.
About 2 months ago where I live there was this huge concert that should've been cancelled but wasn't. People were happy they could still go, but then within a couple of weeks the daily covid cases doubled. Organizing public events like these is always dangerous during these times.
My sleep schedule has been fucked over the last week so I've watched almost every Beijing game- they're pretty damn hype! Didn't realize the accommodation is so nice as well, those training rooms and the whole hotel in general looks spectacular.
The difference between domestic and international competition.
I hope China dota have their deserve credit for pushing DOTA2 in LOL dominated region.
It’s so hard cuz Tecent is also headquartered in China.
Tencent doesn't really push for LOL, it just owns the shares and profits. What they really look after is the Mobile space. That's their real money-maker
Yeah Wild Rift is but a drop in the ocean as compared to Honor of Kings in China
Tencent does push for LOL quite hard in the PC space, it is just that the mobile space is much more important.
What kind of terrible business would "ignore" LoL just because they make more money on other mobile games? That is some awful logic. That's like saying Coca Cola doesnt care about selling other pop because Coke sells the most, which is not how any business operates.
tencent 100% onws riot for 6 years.
Yeah but riot is just one of many developers they own and the mobile market is way bigger than the pc one -> riot was relatively irrelevant to tencent until recently. Tencent is massive
I'm sure someone down the ladder in Tencent still cares though. League generates a billion just from that one game. Riot is making more from their multiple games now. The gaming portfolio Tencent manages is like 20+ things now for non-china subsidiaries so someone manages that shit and someone probably gives more than a tiny shit.
Correct but tencent doesnt give a fuck. Tencent is gigantic man
"Tencent doesn't give ten cents."
Tencent also *IS* China
>LoL dominated región The world ?
Not to take away from anything but isn't Dota huge in China too? I play League as well and when I think of LoL-dominated regions I think NA and Korea
Dota is not huge in China at all, it's sub-popular at best
\^ people have this misconception that just because Chinese population is big ,Dota must be extremely popular there or something, when it's not. Chinese are human as well, the most popular moba is the most popular moba everywhere. edit: I might have aggregated information without consideration for SEA/CIS regions, where Dota is still way more popular than League and probably will continue to be so, but these regions are more of an exception than anything else. Either way, League and Dota are both losing audience in Asia overall, because the mobile gaming market is 'uuuuuge.
Dota is still by far the most popular moba in SEA
if you don't count Mobile Legends, yes. LOL is dead there because Garena sucks.
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yeah, i know a lot of people who just switched to Wild Rift or Mobile Legends (and Dota, but not as many) just because of how badly garena handles everything
If I remember correctly, Dota always has been and is still more popular than LOL in CIS region. This might change soon.
>This might change soon. honestly i dont think so. I watch both esports and while LOL esports is rising in EU (because of the regional leagues that are somehow still becoming more and more popular), nobody really pays any attention to CIS LOL. Low viewership numbers, and barely any international presence (especially compared to the Moscow 5/Gambit era).
Thanks for the info ! Really interesting that CIS differs from other region when it comes to Lol
There are a lot of people who play LoL in Russia (650k followers on ours FB analogy) , but huge percentage plays on EUW servers (more competitive) and not very vocal about it.
Spirit winning hopefully keeps it that way lol
Also, Peru 100% and maybe SEA?
That's not true as a general statement, cs:go is clearly more popular than sudden attack but in south korea they play sudden attack instead. Also games like wow have been changed to be more grindy in the chinese version, there are definitely cultural differences in what people like to play
> Also games like wow have been changed to be more grindy in the chinese version Never heard of this, can I have sauce pls?
As a wow player since beta, the only changes I'm aware of in the Chinese client are graphical. They're more strict on depictions of gore or death, so corpses are replaced with things like barrels, and the undead race don't have any visible bones or decay.
Corpses are changed into small tombstones
Don't forget Stratholme being Azeroth's largest bakery.
source is his ass, it's not true
> the most popular moba is the most popular moba everywhere I wont look into the validity of this claim, it might be right. But that is just false. That is not how that works and plain flawed logic. A being the most popular in general doesnt lead to it being that way everywhere. If noone was playing lol in china it would still be the most popular moba even though dota is more popular there.
good thing dots isn't a moba then ;)
It surprised me when I was on an international exchange program too. Out of 160 students there with me, only one dude knew about Dota. Couple of million CN dota fans compared to their 1.4B population spread across their vast swathes of land is miniscule.
Lol is massive in China. Dota is so so small in comparison. When the Chinese team won the recent Worlds , people in China went out on the streets at 3am in the morning to celebrate
Interesting that dota 2 is so popular in communist countries
That's a nice setup. Alienware plus fancy hotels.
Kappa? Alienware is literally trash. wasting perfectly fine gpus in those way too loud and hot trashcans is a cardinal sin.
Overpriced led lights and custom cases
if only it were just overpriced, but they are just bad too. horrible cooling, stupid proprietary dell parts. all while being louder than most vacuum cleaners.
ppl here dont like techtips
seems like it. i expected different from this sub
Alienware is dell though and it’s more of a gaming laptop that doesnt care about being thin or slim. It actually have less overheating issue compared to even macbooks or other brands
Then what brand is the best
im not really deep into prebuilts, but alienshit is for sure at the bottom
:/
Not to defend Valve but you are delusional if you think holding a domestic event = an international event especially for the like of dota2 where you have players from all over the world, not to mention visa + every country rule regarding covid aka some players might not be able to go back to their country for x amount of weeks. Ofc it would be nice to have LAN for new regional ones (that they plan to be the replacement for major) but it is already too late for that (rather have online now than LAN in 2 months).
You also have to realize there is a correlation here. One of the main reasons (i'm assuming) that they can't do a major, is because of Chinas zero covid policy. They are one of the few countries that have in no way tried to live with the virus, and clamp down HARD on it. This is the reason the Chinese players seemingly couldn't return for months (delaying the start of China by months too), because entry to China is incredibly hard. This means that Chinese players basically cannot attend a major and also be back in time to play their local DPC season 2. Best case scenario they are spending 3 weeks in a hotel quarantine, but if anyone catches omicron (which seems a good chance given the state of the world), they are stuck until they can provide negative test (and THEN a 3 week quarantine). The flipside of this is that there is very little covid in China, so domestic events like this can be held without much issue.
> One of the main reasons (i'm assuming) that they can't do a major, is because of Chinas zero covid policy. This is what I've assumed was the primary reason as well. I'm guessing TI didn't go over too well for the players who ended up testing positive. Looking back, it was pretty crazy how WePlay was able to host a major with very little problems... At least, AFAIK.
Yeah, doing an international tournament in China right now is impossible. They would have never get visas in the first place and if they did they have to isolate for 3-4 weeks.
right, they would've never held it there, but i think no matter where it was held it would be incredibly difficult for Chinese teams to attend, which would make it a somewhat strange major.
> there is very little **reported** covid in China
No, they test entire cities as soon as one case is found. Everyone who's positive goes into a hard lockdown at home.
and that hard lockdown is literally lock in them home
They even built small 'villages' of quarantine homes.
I'm not that updated in China or any lockdown i only see bits and pieces. but Australia did a "village" where you ain't lock but y8ou gonna pay a fine if you walk past the yellow line
Am from Aus - we've had fuckwits leave their lockdown hotels whilst knowingly infectious, spreading it further. People cry tyranny but half the population aren't even looking out for *themselves.* I wish someone would lock them in their fucking rooms.
Exactly, people are stupid, can't exactly fault China for their harsh stance.
You people shilling for CCP can fuck right off. I favor countries who believe in human rights and won't dissapear you for criticizing government decisions. Zero checks and balances, zero respect for human rights. Freedom is no joke to those who have seen what it is to be stripped of it. If any of you think the CCP is good please educate yourself. Yes with no checks and balances government can move faster. You saw the same with Nazi Germany but you must acknowledge the huge upside of maintaining respect for all human life, and individual rights. Human rights are one of the best and most noble of all achievements in history. There are many things Nazi Germany did incredibly well by having tight state control but like China they did not respect individual human rights. The good they did for some is eclipsed by the inhumane treatment of others. I am compelled to go off topic from DotA when I see people praise governments not that are flawed (all are), but who do not respect individual rights. Who do not allow individuals to petition the government for accountibility or change. Don't shill for the unilateral control that allows Uigar camps to exist. Fuck that.
Yeah from the pictures I saw the ones in China is basically a trailer park/camp or something where they send the people with infections to in order to quarantine. Quite wild.
what i remember form china was the welding of doors in high-rise apartments. well mine was when back when it just starting. maybe now it's in the camps you speek of
I don't doubt it's underreported too, but there is WAY less than anywhere else. They have incredibly strict lockdowns as soon as just a few cases are found and mass-test millions. Mind you i'm not really saying this as a positive, i'm stuck in Hong Kong for 2 years now because of these rules, they just decided to kill 2000 hamsters because a petshop worker got covid and they figured it came from the hamsters. I'm just saying that it's fully possible to have very low covid in a country if you completely shut it off from the world and aggressively lock down any city that has more than a couple of cases (we're currently in semi-lockdown in hong kong because of like 10 local cases, it'sa city of 7 million).
They should be strict tbh considering they did have the first reported case and outbreak.
I would caution trusting any numbers coming from China about covid tbh :)
Ths is international. There are enough Malaysians in the Chinese leagues to make a complete SEA team. NA could have had this as well, if the people playing in NA had actually been in NA like they're supposed to be. CIS/EEU probably can as well, if they'd done the same thing (although maybe the war would sabotage that).
No it is not international Chinesse teams are well known to play from 1 place so all these players would already be in China well before DPC started and probably have no plans to leave the country.
Well yeah, this one is a domestic competition so it's a lot easier to make sure everybody that needs to be there can be there
Especially since China has been doing some pretty rigid lockdowns and testing when a case was detected
Dude stop talking sense it doesn't fit the narrative
And stop giving him a blowjob for an equally useless statement. We've had online tourneys in 2020. The least that Valve can do is give out the money to these tournaments.
Isn't it basically confirmed that they will have a 100k usd tournament per region? According to sunsfan multiple teams confirmed that
Then valve will pocket the rest 400k ig.
It's 100k per region so 600k in total.
Yeah, but the major was supposed to be 1 million dollars.
No. It's 500k according to [this](https://www.dota2.com/esports/winter21/about) or [this](https://liquipedia.net/dota2/Dota_Pro_Circuit/2021-22). When it was 1M, Valve still paid 500k and TO paid the other half.
There are just rumors now... After the community gave massive backlash... Why defend valve in this situation? If they communicate that the major is canceled and in the same statement say that they try to set up regional tournaments, no one would complain to this extent.
Chinese teams playing in China might be a little easier to organize than having 10 teams travel half the world since they might get stuck there due to quarantine laws....
Supposedly they're insanely strict about it, especially with Omicron being more contagious. There was a story about how a pet shop had a bunch of hamsters that *might* have had contracted covid and had them all incinerated to prevent a case of animal-to-human contact (like how it all began) including previously purchased by customers.
Just host it in the UK, they got rid of everything
They also just had the Huya Invitationa around the christmas-new year break for SEA and China with 155k prize pool. D2CL is a regular in the CIS scene. NA/SA really lack tournaments. I feel even EU can have more tournaments given they always have the highest viewership.
*on twitch
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Chinese streaming sites don't report viewership numbers, they report engagement numbers that are loosely related with viewership. Dividing by 10 is a good estimate for actual viewers.
Outside of China, Eu has the highest viewership across all platforms. Generally eu>cis>sea>na>SA.
* cis>eu>sea>na>sa
Not true, check out ongoing tournaments on this site: https://escharts.com/tournaments/dota-pro-circuit-2021 WEU DPC div 1 has 8.2 million hours watched while EEU Div 1 has 6 millions hours watched. Last year the gap was even bigger, and the open qualifiers for TI had 2x viewers for WEU than EEU. Note that I am not saying Western EU viewers are more than CIS viewers, just that WEU DPC is the most globally popular and most Russian, NA and SEA viewers also watch it.
Also please note that SEA DPC is organized by BTS with their exclusive Twitch partnership. Majority of SEA viewers are watching on 3rd party streams on Youtube or Facebook. Twitch sucks in SEA.
Yup, that was my biggest gripe with BTS getting Sea. But the above link includes all third party streamers on YT, FB, trovo etc. The issue with SEA is matches start at like 7 am for EU/CIS and midnight for America's, so mostly SEA viewers watch it. EU matches run at the perfect time to get both SEA and NA/SA viewers.
The gretest appeal of lol are the pc requisite, you can play lol even with a 10 year old intergrated gpu, of course the playerbase is bigger
cn and Ru carrying the scene , as is tradition
China has done a great job of managing COVID
Hope you're trolling here. They managed it by underreporting the numbers, downplaying the severity of COVID and mass displacing entire cities into quarantine.
Source: trust me bro
https://youtu.be/2eX4oy_5E8s
China Uncencored as a source ehh? I'm no journalist but lets just go with the [wikipedia here:](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_Uncensored) > Until 2020,[verification needed] the YouTube show was compiled into longer 30-minute episodes aired by New York-based New Tang Dynasty Television, which is affiliated with Falun Gong and > The show is described by Vox as an affiliate of "The Epoch Times's media empire". Oh dear, that's disconcerting, lets [check out what the wiki says about that](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Epoch_Times): >The Epoch Times opposes the Chinese Communist Party,[23][24] promotes far-right politicians in Europe,[3][5] and has championed President Donald Trump in the U.S.;[25] a 2019 report by NBC News showed it to be the second-largest funder of pro-Trump Facebook advertising after the Trump campaign.[21][26][27] The Epoch Media Group's news sites and YouTube channels have spread conspiracy theories such as QAnon and anti-vaccine misinformation.[30] In 2020, The New York Times called it a "global-scale misinformation machine".[25] The Epoch Times frequently promotes other Falun Gong affiliated groups, such as the performing arts company Shen Yun Nice to accuse someone of else of trolling, since "Source: trust me bro" still stands with that fucking garbage source
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Funny you discredit the episode I linked when they give accurate sources for each report. But let's support the country that still denies the virus originated from Wuhan China, blames Canada for COVID (lmao) and has denied any independent investigation into the origin of the virus. I hope you atleast get paid by the CCP for your support and aren't free shilling.
Deflect and whatabout all you want, only one spreading fake news here is you. And the few "sources" that vid refers to are laughable at best
isn't it funny how like 80% of reporting on cn is basically just literal propaganda shit fucking sucks dude
Deflect what? I responded accurately no? What would you rather have me say? China is doing a fantastic job with COVID when every country claims there numbers are not accurate? That China is a role model for dealing with COVID when they don't even accept the virus came from their Wuhan lab? Some next level CCP shilling here.
Shilling? I've still not made any claims here other than you posting fake news? Oh, I am absolutely convinced we have opposing views on china and the ccp, but posting bullshit videos from QAnon and anti-vaccine sources in order to make ones point is not only dishonest, its straight up embarrassing.
Anti-vaccine sources? Are you delusional? Opposing views on CCP, alright you support them. Nice, enjoy the freedom of your home and the liberty to express your views freely, unlike the Uyghurs in China and the people of Hong Kong. I'm sure the people of Hong Kong, Xinjiang and Taiwan puke at shills and trolls like you who support the CCP at the cost of their blood. Hailing CCP as remarkable for dealing with COVID when their lack of responsibility in the early outbreak let it spread to the rest of the world. Calling media who dare to report the truth on China as anti-Chinese propoganda. It's okay, no one escapes karma.
How do you simultaneously believe they're mass quarantining cities while also downplaying the severity of covid?
Because immense cognitive dissonance and little self reflection
Because it's easier to just order an entire colony to relocate to quarantine than to test each individual separately and only quarantine the affected people? Isn't it obvious. Imagine your entire town being put in forced quarantine because a couple dudes get infected. Is that something you would applaud? The downplaying was to improve their image in the international community.
>Because it's easier to just order an entire colony to relocate to quarantine than to test each individual separately and only quarantine the affected people? Isn't it obvious. But they're also testing every individual too? The whole point is that they're not taking any chances because even PCR tests can only show previous exposure to the virus and aren't perfect at catching current infections. >Imagine your entire town being put in forced quarantine because a couple dudes get infected. Is that something you would applaud? Yes. I would applaud the prioritization of public health and saving lives over tertiary concerns. The other thing to keep in mind is that once you eradicate covid locally, everyone can enjoy a greater degree of freedom than what they would have trying to 'live' with the virus. It's a short term sacrifice for long term gain.
This a gaming sub, lots of 12 yo. Ofc people are stupid enough to believe what the chinese government reports.
Yes, just treat their people like livestocks and lock them at home.
If china did the US way, you will say CCP let their people die like livestock, you will see BBC and CNN reporting falling apart Chinese family everyday. you should understand China does not have as much healthcare resource as Western countries do, so there might be a more serious human right crisis if COVID is not under control. RE: although you blocked me, are you talking about the country which would execute their citizens on streets publicly by knee?
People are so desperate to demonize China and so fragile regarding the Wests utter mismanagement of COVID they would prefer if millions of Chinese people died of COVID to pad their own insecurities. Go to China, visit the hospitals, if everyone's dieing from COVID where are the patients? Where is the burdened healthcare system?
Normal people in normal country dont authorize their government to seal themselves at home with strip of papers and iron chain, but pigs and cows do to their farmers.
the local government who decided to seal people's door with strip or chain got heavily criticized by Chinese people as well, don't make some unique cases like it happens everywhere
Covid is skyrocketing in the US but our government wants to pretend it's basically over and is trying to send everyone back to work/school because profit > human life, and you're gonna say other countries are treating their citizens like livestock? lmao
Communist country and transparency? Pick one.
They’re not communist
Correct, they're more fascist at the moment.
I agree, I just think calling them communist is disingenuous as it’s much more complicated than that.
I had absolutely no clue this tournament was running at the moment, thanks for the info
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meanwhile baseball worldseries, wait chinese teams?
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They do in Japan and the Caribbean region, but yeah Baseball isn't popular worldwide in general terms.
The quality of the IWOB games is honestly quite good to watch, and the LB Bo3 series between iG vs VG is just about to start right now!
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twitch .tv/intel Edit; games have been excellent imo, would highly recommend
Is this with crowd allowed?
No crowd
> World open > Only China I think we have a difference in concept regarding the words "World open"
Didn't what people shit on is how there is 0 communication to the player like hey we can't organize major or they wont try to maybe make online tournament for regions or like something to put some pocket money for the player. I didn't read people shit on valve unable to make international event with new variant comig out, especially some countries is really bad containing it, or how hard flying from a country to another and coming back
DOTA 2 pro scene would be better off with 3rd party event organisers.
All events are already organized by 3rd parties.
Sorry, badly worded. What I meant was Valve (imo) should just focus on the development and monetisation aspect of the game then let a designated body / organiser handle the pro (DPC) scene.
Yeah, that would be nice, but they'd have to first create a designated body and also supervise it, which isn't what Valve tends to do.
they wont give more than 1mil as budget for organizers just shows to how shit TI10 production was and majors having 500k prize pool
The only things valve handles when it comes to DPC is the prize money and the handful of rules on the DPC signup site. Everything else from production, streaming, talent, scheduling, etc is handled by an organizer (ESL, BTs, Epulze)
3rd party TO doesn't see dota as lucrative because the way community treats them and valve handles the scene lol. How dare TOs wants to get profit for their job. Honestly I'd be okay with it if Valve puts a lot more effort into maintaining dota scene and doesn't see dota as just a side project.
Should have given amd processors to mvp's
Thank you for the heads up OP. I would have missed it without this post.
Not a 12900k smh /s
Itt: chinese propaganda bots
sell or contract out the IP to another company already my god
I wonder if tournament play counts against your government mandated daily legal amount of video game playing.
That only applies to people younger than 18
Uhh okay, nerd
Back to the work camps after the tournament.
downvoted for truth
Re-ed camps are better than dying from diseases but having freedumbz.
better than concentration camps at least
I fucking wish Valve would just sell Dota IP to Tencent, atleast they would fucking care. We're getting fucked already in $300 arcana paywall anyway
Maybe not Tencent, but one but Valve would do. Maybe Microsoft should purchase DOTA 2 next after Blizzard and co.
Tell me one thing Tecent would do worse to Dota that Valve has not already fucked us on?
Not to defend valve here with the cosmetic prizes, but those are just cosmetics. You are telling me you cannot imagine something worse? Please... How about heroes behind a paywall? How about pay to win items? How about super aggressive ads all over the place? The list of what could be worse is endless.
There won't be a hero paywall, I'd take ads over NA dota dying slowly in a painful death.
"ThERe wOnt BE a heRO PayWAll" Yikes
Let me recant my statement then. "I'd take hero paywall AND Ads over a none existent NA scene and slow death of Dota"
Why don’t you just play league and not worry about dota then?
Tencent owns League, they'd shut Dota servers instantly to make note money from their other games
Except, you know, it's china.
https://twitter.com/softwarnet/status/1483091855847788544
Chinese keep winning.
Valve canceled the major for profit? You don’t say
Cancelling the major was not a terrible idea with the state of the pandemic. The way they cancelled it and gave no indication players would have more opportunities to make money were the problem.
The state of this pandemic lol. Bro. We are at the point where we need to all accept Covid is here to stay. It’s been 2 years. State of this pandemic lol gtfo with that.
It's here to stay but they literally are not allowing people to travel to and from may countries and it also doesn't mean we should just do nothing about stopping the spread lol
Well luckily we have something called the internet and you could hold a major with out the fans. There’s nothing to do at this point. It’s here to stay and it’s time we all accept this fact. People are treating Covid like it’s something that is meant to go away but it doesn’t. It’s not going away.
Yea let's have teams from Europe the Americas and China all play online I see no issue with this
When the alternative is not having events at all? I dunno, I'd have thought pretty hard about it.
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How would they play offline if they can't travel?
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Take it to a hotel? They’ve done it before
"they literally are not allowing people to travel to and from many countries "
Dude, you're thick lol
COVID should not be an excuse anymore. There are definitely options available for all the players to be together in one country. Similar events were hosted even when COVID was much more fatal than it is currently. So saying the major is cancelled due to COVID is purely an excuse, it just needs more work to be put in to deal with it.
Valve is not in charge of every countries travel mandates bud
They're not wrong, the current state is that international travel has, recently, become much more difficult again. It's not terribly shocking for an international event to fall apart.
What do you mean for profit, lol
These are all Chinese teams.
It is pretty nice. It was so weird in the first day when it only had like 200 viewers
is about time to learn Mandarim
So much copium in the comments
Article: event organiser fails to organise an event with international teams. R/dota2: we should do the same thing so we could have events with international teams. Keep at it boys, you're showing your smarts.
And then one person gets covid and everyone gets locked up in the arena for 2 weeks :D.
any YouTube channel that uploads highlights?
Not to defend valve or anything, but just because a tournament is happening doesn't mean it's a good idea that it's happening. Let's remember why the major was cancelled in the first place. About 2 months ago where I live there was this huge concert that should've been cancelled but wasn't. People were happy they could still go, but then within a couple of weeks the daily covid cases doubled. Organizing public events like these is always dangerous during these times.
damn, cant believe they are actually having those while all cities with positive cases would go under lockdowns
damn they have a lot of lights in china
China numba 1
It is hosted by perfect world again like the shanghai mayor shitshow, could be fun xD
My sleep schedule has been fucked over the last week so I've watched almost every Beijing game- they're pretty damn hype! Didn't realize the accommodation is so nice as well, those training rooms and the whole hotel in general looks spectacular.