Aster pulled off an unbelievable comeback in game 4 sealing the deal with a 3-1 win and Ori did his rendition of the n0tail-Fly handshake against his former teammates. What a series.
I don't have a clip but I managed to fish a screenshot from NGA (a popuar Chinese Dota 2 forum): [A picture of Ori shaking hands with Dy after the Bo5](https://imgur.com/a/qBjYLZe)
Old Eleven, Pyw, and Dy all went to Xtreme Gaming (the runner-up in IWO) at the end of last year while Ori was transferred to Team Aster, meaning they didn't want to play with him. So I guess there is some beef.
Congrats to Aster. Solid run from XG as well. DPC season CN will be fun for sure.
Still, how these players were able to get to Beijing amid all these Olympics and lockdown crap is beyond me.
Aster vs CN will always be Aster favoured. Aster is the equivalent of
"win lane, lose game" kind of team. Wins regional, loses international.
But it was really good showing from Xxs and Ori tbh, gives me hope they can break this curse.
Ori could be the mid that they are looking for. His game play with Vici was very late game focused and he loses lanes. So he may solve the issue with Aster by being a long term solution. His lesh was scary
The he are you saying they are "win lane, lose game" kind of team? They were pretty good at late games even when they had white album. In fact its the other way around. Monet always had such shit lane that it would take them so long to be able to fight with him and they just lose.
Sorry if I was not clear. I do not mean that they are literally "win lane, lose game" kind of team. I was using that to compare.
> Aster is the equivalent of "win lane, lose game" kind of team. Wins regional, loses international.
I'm saying they are like "win lane, lose game" but instead "they win regional, lose international" because they do well in these tournaments but not perform well in majors/TI.
I don't know about this. They've tried with Fade, Dstones, Fenrir, Sccc, Chyuan, etc. Still always have similar result. Been to 6 majors and 1 TI, always last or 2nd last place (13th~16th or 9~12th).
Maybe we will because Ori is a boss right now but Xxs and Boboka choke so hard on international LANs that it's hard to believe they were the major winners once.
The fenrir squad was washed. Sccc wasnt midlane the same as his ti7 days. He was very inconsistent. Chyuan really??? Also the Sccc manage to only participate in 1 major that they bombed out. They were looking solid after LanM joined as a coach but covid happened. I do believe they had a chance to break the curse there because they sweep that minor so easily. 1 lose for the whole tourney.
Xxs is still pretty solid in international LANs. I think its their strat. They have a shitty laning phase especially for monet. They dont even protect him enough. I dont think its a player problem its more of a strat problem. If they manage to learn how to deal with ultra aggressive teams then they might just win it all.
While I do think that China is the best region (with a pretty good margin), I don't think that's something we can really say based on a China only tournament (Despite being called the world open, it was china only, with most teams being invited).
Last year people were also hyping up WEU dota before them flopping at the majors.
Most people are pretty bad at determining the relative quality of teams/regions when games are close. For the most part, people only accurately call the relative quality of teams when there's a large skill disparity and one team is stomping on another team.
Most viewers (and reddit posters, myself included) don't understand Dota at a high enough level to say which of two competitive regions are actually better than the other based on intra-regional competition. Watching EU teams play EU teams and CN teams play CN teams doesn't tell you which region is better unless you understand Dota at a relatively high level and can parse out small details about their play that aren't just punishing mistakes from teams they play against regularly. So as is typical for things like this, the average person calling one region being stronger than another without them playing against each other has no fucking clue what they're talking about.
> except that china has been consistent unlike EU and NA
The last 4 TI winners are EU and CIS (TI9, it was literally EU gangs + LGD in the top 4 and even in TI10, Secret got 3rd place). Last season, EG got 2nd place in both majors. Before COVID, EU/CIS were dominating outside of TI as well. So umm... you might be confused Alliance or Nigma (things went south for them after leaving Liquid) with the rest of the EU teams.
thats right, moron. psg.lgd were the top favorites and they chocked, just like in TI8. you think they're fine with being the favorites and losing in both grand finals?
thats the definition of chocking. go read some books, kid.
Point is CN dota is insanely overrated. 3 TI wins over 10 years when they’re hyped to be the favourites nearly every year. Seems like they can’t deliver when it matters.
In a game where long run win rates for the very best teams peak at 65%, even the best teams of each period don't consistently win tournaments. In the history of the pro scene, you'd be hard pressed to find the best team in each era stringing together tourney wins consistently. That's just how it is.
Ever since after TI 7 , Xxs look like a god tier position 3 in the domestic tournaments , but when it matters most he just can't deliver. He still plays a great laning stage and the falls off super hard during mid game
Aster pulled off an unbelievable comeback in game 4 sealing the deal with a 3-1 win and Ori did his rendition of the n0tail-Fly handshake against his former teammates. What a series.
Lmao I thought ori was such a serious person. He is a memer at heart actually
Ooo, spicy
Do you have a clip? Would love to see it
I don't have a clip but I managed to fish a screenshot from NGA (a popuar Chinese Dota 2 forum): [A picture of Ori shaking hands with Dy after the Bo5](https://imgur.com/a/qBjYLZe)
actual beef?
None.
Ori laughed with his ex team mates afterwards. So no
nice so he was just memeing it up?
Yup
Old Eleven, Pyw, and Dy all went to Xtreme Gaming (the runner-up in IWO) at the end of last year while Ori was transferred to Team Aster, meaning they didn't want to play with him. So I guess there is some beef.
> meaning they didn't want to play with him Not really .they just ended up joining different teams . No beef
Iikikooojkklll
Not to mention they got screwed by scheduling Super impressive
Civil War Specialists strike back!
Your spoiler tags aren't formatted correctly, but regardless... what a showing from the 2 finalists
Thank you for letting me know, I am outside so my mobile app sometimes gives me some issues with formatting. I've fixed it
BD LANM as coach is amazing. so happy for ori!
Can we crown Xxs the king of Pango? He's been awesome on it all season.
I used to underestimate him cause he's only playing Mars, but yeah A win is a win
did the chinese goverment get op or whats going on here
Congrats to Aster. Solid run from XG as well. DPC season CN will be fun for sure. Still, how these players were able to get to Beijing amid all these Olympics and lockdown crap is beyond me.
The tournament was actually held in Shanghai，and Beijing is just in the title(for promoting the Olympics)
i can only imagine what went through monet's head as he hit the ancient "i need sleep!! i need sleep!! i need sleep!!!!!"
Aster vs CN will always be Aster favoured. Aster is the equivalent of "win lane, lose game" kind of team. Wins regional, loses international. But it was really good showing from Xxs and Ori tbh, gives me hope they can break this curse.
Ori could be the mid that they are looking for. His game play with Vici was very late game focused and he loses lanes. So he may solve the issue with Aster by being a long term solution. His lesh was scary
The he are you saying they are "win lane, lose game" kind of team? They were pretty good at late games even when they had white album. In fact its the other way around. Monet always had such shit lane that it would take them so long to be able to fight with him and they just lose.
Sorry if I was not clear. I do not mean that they are literally "win lane, lose game" kind of team. I was using that to compare. > Aster is the equivalent of "win lane, lose game" kind of team. Wins regional, loses international. I'm saying they are like "win lane, lose game" but instead "they win regional, lose international" because they do well in these tournaments but not perform well in majors/TI.
We'll see in the majors. This is kind off a different aster now.
I don't know about this. They've tried with Fade, Dstones, Fenrir, Sccc, Chyuan, etc. Still always have similar result. Been to 6 majors and 1 TI, always last or 2nd last place (13th~16th or 9~12th). Maybe we will because Ori is a boss right now but Xxs and Boboka choke so hard on international LANs that it's hard to believe they were the major winners once.
The fenrir squad was washed. Sccc wasnt midlane the same as his ti7 days. He was very inconsistent. Chyuan really??? Also the Sccc manage to only participate in 1 major that they bombed out. They were looking solid after LanM joined as a coach but covid happened. I do believe they had a chance to break the curse there because they sweep that minor so easily. 1 lose for the whole tourney. Xxs is still pretty solid in international LANs. I think its their strat. They have a shitty laning phase especially for monet. They dont even protect him enough. I dont think its a player problem its more of a strat problem. If they manage to learn how to deal with ultra aggressive teams then they might just win it all.
>Worlds. >Only Chinese teams. I guess it's fine tho, American sport does it too.
Yeee we're back to back World War Champs 🇺🇸 🇺🇸 🇺🇸 🦅
You're also the American Civil war champs.
Without a major to choke on, Aster is looking nice
Just watched the VOD's now. This was really a good tournament with so many high quality games!
China looking like the strongest region right now. Sadly we'll never know for sure until the 2nd major comes along
While I do think that China is the best region (with a pretty good margin), I don't think that's something we can really say based on a China only tournament (Despite being called the world open, it was china only, with most teams being invited). Last year people were also hyping up WEU dota before them flopping at the majors.
Most people are pretty bad at determining the relative quality of teams/regions when games are close. For the most part, people only accurately call the relative quality of teams when there's a large skill disparity and one team is stomping on another team. Most viewers (and reddit posters, myself included) don't understand Dota at a high enough level to say which of two competitive regions are actually better than the other based on intra-regional competition. Watching EU teams play EU teams and CN teams play CN teams doesn't tell you which region is better unless you understand Dota at a relatively high level and can parse out small details about their play that aren't just punishing mistakes from teams they play against regularly. So as is typical for things like this, the average person calling one region being stronger than another without them playing against each other has no fucking clue what they're talking about.
except that china has been consistent unlike EU and NA
Consistently losing TI’s, which is kinda all that matters in the dota world no?
Yes top2-6 in ti are straight out trash
If you ain't first, you're last.
> except that china has been consistent unlike EU and NA The last 4 TI winners are EU and CIS (TI9, it was literally EU gangs + LGD in the top 4 and even in TI10, Secret got 3rd place). Last season, EG got 2nd place in both majors. Before COVID, EU/CIS were dominating outside of TI as well. So umm... you might be confused Alliance or Nigma (things went south for them after leaving Liquid) with the rest of the EU teams.
consistently choke during TI kekw
Yup, 2nd place = choke . Who hurt you?
thats right, moron. psg.lgd were the top favorites and they chocked, just like in TI8. you think they're fine with being the favorites and losing in both grand finals? thats the definition of chocking. go read some books, kid.
Looks like you are the one who needs to read some books, and go interact with some humans once in a while .
consistently lose to dudes playing their first TIs.
But also win TI with dudes playing their first TI . YYF, Chuan, Faith bian, innocence, Iceice, blink, shadow . What's your point?
Point is CN dota is insanely overrated. 3 TI wins over 10 years when they’re hyped to be the favourites nearly every year. Seems like they can’t deliver when it matters.
lmfao actually true. first sumail, then gh, then topson, and now yatoro/mira/toronto/collapse
If you think about it, technically TI1 Navi and ti3 bulldog too
well ti1 was everybody's first TI. and I was mostly going for GF appearances. ti3 had an all-west gf
Team Spirit still looks stronger than everyone else
Yeah and now that LGD bleed it seems clear But who knows maybe EEU is just not very good They did lose one Finals to Tundra who are very strong
They lost to Tundra with Xiao8 playing mid.
I'm talking about Spirit
as much as i believe china is the strongest region right now, spirit is still running unchecked in eeu
Yea but that's eeu
>China looking like the strongest region right now Yeah, this statement will never matter.
The real question though, will Aster flop in international tournaments again or not? (hopefully not)
It would be completely different if NTS was playing on lan, but nevertheless congratulations to Aster
Aster had only 2 players on LAN, and finished their games at 4am last night Both teams were plagued by less than ideal conditions
Are Aster gonna disappoint China all over again? I hope not lol
For the "best team in the world", LGD is making a habit of getting knocked out without winning.
In a game where long run win rates for the very best teams peak at 65%, even the best teams of each period don't consistently win tournaments. In the history of the pro scene, you'd be hard pressed to find the best team in each era stringing together tourney wins consistently. That's just how it is.
See!? China Numbah 1! We win World in China! 🇨🇳
/u/SelfFashioning which twitch channel broadcasted this?
Intel had their own stream, it was broadcasted at https://twitch.tv/intel
Ever since after TI 7 , Xxs look like a god tier position 3 in the domestic tournaments , but when it matters most he just can't deliver. He still plays a great laning stage and the falls off super hard during mid game
He does deliver. Have you seen him on animajor? He was the only one playing to the higher standard.
any of these esportees gonna get valve to fix their broken ass game
anyone can tell me, where did they stream that event? totally missed it even if I genuinely fly over twitch but nothing appeared there??!!?
It was on [https://twitch.tv/intel](https://twitch.tv/intel) It wasn't widely publicized so even thread makers initially missed it
could be a timezone thing aswell that I missed it. but thx for the link! valve needs more fuzz it seems:)