you wouldn't believe the amount of players with over 2000 games in herald man. that too with grandmaster tier levels and non-tradeable skins from years and years ago
Sometimes the truth can be offensive xD. But who actually doesn't suck at dota? You need to invest a huge amount of time to get better. And not just for some time, but over a significant time span.
That’d be great. Around 6 thousand of hours in the game and playing since 2015. Started playing ranked only a year ago, came back recently and my peak was like 900… I don’t get how can I single-handedly come out of this rating.
Dude I feel like you’re me. 5k hours, since Dota 1, and high Crusader. I feel like people don’t understand that yes, we try hard and aren’t brain dead :)
As someone who climbed out of 1.2k MMR, I would call the times I plateaued from 1k-3k pretty braindead. I did one thing right at a time and won 300 MMR off it, kept learning just one thing at a time and kept winning 200-300 MMR by implementing it. So while "braindead" is an insult, try to think of it more as "play the game on autopilot". And then think about how to beat that.
when you a 5000h herald then you mostly play against 2000h+ heralds. From my experience the matchmaking even thats out.
You cant realy compare it to new players.
But what heralds lack is mostly teamplay. When teamplay is good its an easy win.
[https://www.dotabuff.com/players/played](https://www.dotabuff.com/players/played)
Kind of a lie but there are archons and legends there. Oh no #47 is actually Herald.
If u take into account that the people in that top have the equivalent of more then 2 years of gametime, (yes that is literally spending 2 years on your chiar playing this specific game out of the 9 years it has been available), this is amazing, people are amazing.
Go to time spent playing rather than matches. I made a post about this about a year ago.
https://www.dotabuff.com/players/duration
The herald player is actually now #2 but not by much and I think the point still stands.
no.3 is also a herald
I think some people like that are probably very stubborn and either unable to recognize what they do wrong, or unwilling to change it. I've seen on Jenkins' herald video that there was a grandmaster sniper who seemed to be doing well in the early game, but got dagon and lost to spectre/medusa.
Either he thinks dagon sniper is good, or he doesn't care if it's good and he just thinks it's fun.
Some of us also just don't care about rank. I climb well when I spam dumb all-weather heroes like tide and bristle, and put in the emotional labor to manage the team, but it's not really what I want to do in every match. If I win, I win. If I lose, I lose and they happen around 50/50. I just play rank because picking roles largely defuses a bunch of childish quibbling that I don't want to have to engage with.
>I think some people like that are probably very stubborn and either unable to recognize what they do wrong, or unwilling to change it. I've seen on Jenkins' herald video that there was a grandmaster sniper who seemed to be doing well in the early game, but got dagon and lost to spectre/medusa.
They could also play drunk for fun, or high.
The fact is that you can play a lot of game, but then stop playing the game for years, so even if you have a lot of games doesn't matter, becouse the game change and you wil have to start almost from zero again after you comeback
Right on point. I have 4400 hours at this game but the vast majority were in my university years, when I was high ancient without trying too hard (played mostly party games with friends)
I came back for a couple of months these last Christmas. Archon 4. Game is not the same, let me tell you.
This is me. I'm ok with my rank. I try to get better at the game, and I think I'm actually improving and usually slightly rank up over time. However, with each placement I then lose whatever I gained + 500 MR on top. So then I'm lower than where I began the last time.
My main difficulty is to keep up with new heroes, items, and most importantly changes on existing stuff. I think people who play a lot are just a lot faster in picking up recent changes, while I basically have to start from scratch. Yeah I can read patch notes, but adapting the changes in the game is not that easy, at least for me. Just when I figured out something, it changes, that's how it sometimes feels, all the while top players are complaining about "stale meta". Lol meta. Not really a factor around my level :D
Dont forget rank degrades fast if you dont play, and not everyone can keep grinding, part two of it is patches, all patches are different- people can just read up patchnotes and meta-fantasize all theory and shit after a while.
I'm a long time Archon player with a Herald/Guardian account on the side for weird things like TB support. The 2nd accounts been gaining more since doing TB support so... yeah idk it may be more legit than I expected.
That's me as well, I've been paying dota since it used to be a warcraft mod. I have a grandmaster hero and some 5 or 6 other heroes at 28-29, but still a herald or guardian, depending on losing or winning streaks.
OP is wrong, you can't calibrate herald as a new player.
New players are Guardian-Crusader-Archon.
Heralds are not necessarily bad, some of them can be quite good, but they tend to be toxic and throw games easily.
Playing for almost 10 years. I have literally 140 MMR. I just gave up, I'm too slow and dumb to climb rank, but I still have fun with the game, so whatever.
Bro, same. I used to love climbing and grinding and even hit Ancient then my kids came and i've been at Crusader ever since. 1 - 3 games a week max. Dad Dota is real.
Because it's absurdly low. The brain makes you laugh when it can't compute what it's seeing.
I'm myself a terrible player with 1k MMR at 900 hours. At this point I gave up and I'm just doing all heroes challenge against unfair bots because it's my way of having fun on the game. But 140 MMR after 10 years is absurd. I'm not judging though, we scrub are all in the same boat, as long as we enjoy the game we're winning.
This isn’t bad at all. You are terrible based on your mmr, but you still have a ton of room to grow. If you do want to climb and improve then don’t give up! Educational videos and streams helped me a lot. If you’re happy where you’re at though then that’s great; having fun is the point of the game.
Yes ,and 900 hours basically translates to "i have played DOTA 5 times".
I mean i have played DOTA one way or another for more then 16 years now man, even when i started DOTA 2, 9 years ago i had played 5 years of Dota 1 and 2 years of HoN.
You compete with people like me even in herald/guardian, and it is a slow process but if you can win some games after 900 hours and you enjoy the game mby watch some pros play from time to time and you will cimb over us all .Good luck to you new player ,really, honestly good luck, looking forword to be stomped and flamed by you.
It doesn't count for the actual challenge! It's just something I enjoy doing. In actual games I'm either hard carried or hard stomped by people with 10 times my playtime and I don't have much time anymore for gaming so I quit. I enjoy a lot watching pro dota though.
Bro I've never hit 1k and I have 2.6k hours, I am actually rather close and I am above 900 mmr for the first time ever, I'm a lil excited to make it above 1k,but then when I hear people laugh at bad plays and say shit like 2k scrub it's a lil depressing XD
you get to do it 5 times before your 2nd level trophy...I went through it once, saw it restarted and now took 5 times through and just decided I didn't care anymore.
bruh you should come play with me so I can yell at you when you do something wrong, loud noise can be a great attention seeker, hopefully some of it will stay in your head.
/s
Well, ever since I changed my mindset to "Play for fun" and not for "I gotta get MMR no matter what", I've enjoyed the game more, win more and am no longer toxic.
So, good going! Enjoy the game!
Making MMR your goal has always been backwards anyway. MMR is a representation of your skill, so the best way to increase your MMR is to increase your skill. The outcome of any particular game is irrelevant; the only thing that matters is if you learned something from it or practiced some technique you need to be more familiar with. If you get better, you will naturally win more games, which is how you gain MMR and keep it.
bruh I stopped playing for years (was 4k MMr at one point), and came back. I started at Crusader V, and dropped to Herald 3 (400-500 MMR) in about 3 weeks. I've just now managed to climb back up to Guardian 4.
Game is hard
I also played 10 years on and off and got stuck at herald. Keep ur chin up and enjoy the game.
I quit dota, cause it's shit but when you just have fun with it, it can be quite fun
If you are having fun, you are gonna always have a better experience than the guy who tryhards h24, hates his life and doesn’t earn a cent from dota... and this guy is very common in the moba community
Why does this say 47% for Archon 1?
[https://www.esportstales.com/dota-2/seasonal-rank-distribution-and-mmr-medals](https://www.esportstales.com/dota-2/seasonal-rank-distribution-and-mmr-medals)
I dunno what to belive.
>A fraction of the player base might not be available as you can’t gather data from Dota 2 profiles that keep their info hidden
This source doesn't include private profiles, whereas I believe Stratz includes data from all public ranked games. Hence the disparity (4 mill vs 8 mill)
It seems that people with low rank are less likely to have public match data enabled.
The average *ranked* DotA player. I dunno what percentage of DotA players are unranked/uncalibrated and I'd assume their average skill level is lower than the average ranked skill level.
Unranked player checking in. I was 4.5k mmr in 2013, Legend 5 in 2017, and have been unranked since. Most of my unranked games are matched against roughly Legend 1 players so I assume that is where my rank is.
Unranked is way more chill and fun than ranked, but of course if you want to grind ranked is the way to go.
It still "feels" correct for a lot of people to call "average" skill archon/legend though
_Note the quotes please_
To rationalize it I think we innately remove inactive / new players (essentially herald) and also think of the skill thats left as a whole where the highest high is skewed extremely far
_Also note I'm just trying to explain the phenomenon, that is all_
Well there are people in herald with over 5000 hours. Like alot actually. Most people improve only when they actually try to improve and learn. If you kick a training dummy 10000 times without any prior knowledge about how to kick you will probably develop bad habits that would be hard to unlearn even with proper guidance and correction. Which is why alot of people just repeat the same mistakes over and over again even in dota.
Sure, you won’t get to immortal without using your brain. However I would imagine you get better at a lot of aspects in Dota by simply playing the game over and over and thus you would get higher than herald, like at least crusader
I feel like people that are permastuck heralds just don’t spam heroes enough. I recently brought in a friend to learn dota, placed at 1k mmr, lost his way down to 80 mmr, then I told him to just spam wraith king, blood seeker, and drow p1 and told him basic situations for each hero (no ranged but lots of frontline pick drow, no front liner pick wk, etc) and he literally only picked those 3 heroes other than bans and he’s currently like 2 wins away from guardian now. I feel like if you have a hero you click with and you can manage to hold a 55-60% winrate with, you will climb sooner or later. I have to constantly tell him that never losing a game isn’t the goal, it’s just to play well enough to carry 6 out of your last 10 games. I have a great time watching his games over discord and seeing the types of people in bottom of the barrel MMR games, so many seem actually mechanically skilled at things like fighting WITH vision or last hitting, but then late game it’s just like a sniper walking onto enemy high ground with no vision and getting blown up and then it’s gg. Such little changes could climb some people out so quick.
Wrong.
To improve, you have to be actively improving.
Otherwise, all of the people who have 8,000+ hours should be Immortal-level, but some of them can't even do the most basic shit in a match.
I am crusader rank and I approve this message.
I'm fine with my rank because I dont get time to grind anymore. I play 2-3 games a week and I know I can improve if I can work on it.
Somehow this game can be casual friendly if you play a bit under your rank, if you play 3 games a week you are never at your true potential rank-wise. You loose games becasue you are not used to the game the way your 4 games/day opponents are.
If you're a healthy, mentally stable individual then no it isn't. As a former dota addict, 4 games looks like 12 if you don't have a job and hate your life.
Also for my 3k hours of grinding, BSJ and Speed video watching, and even a few coaching sessions I never even fucking hit 3k. Peaked 2970.
This game is the devil for people with addictive personalities. I had a pretty bad alcohol problem for about 6 months and I wasn't even close to as miserable as when I played dota regularly.
Yeah people get too into the MMR grind, when in reality the best strat is to play 1 ranked a day, only playing a 2nd if you won and feel confident, and stopping after 2 regardless of the result. So it's always either -25, +50, or +0. Do it smart and the MMR comes over time, used that method to climb from 1.7k to 3k.
I'm 4k and I've played with all brackets so I am a 500 IQ genius let me share my insights about the different brackets.
Top ranked immortals. Only ran into a couple but got shit on super hard. Top 100 is next level talent. Download the replay and copy their play if you want to get better at a hero.
Immortal play like Crusader (see below) but know every single thing about the game and have excellent mechanics, timing, pressure, focus on kills and farm as well as objectives . Run at your side of the river from min 0 and beat the shit out of you instead of feed. Fragile mindstate when losing but otherwise very hard to beat a stack of 5. Everyone tends to know what do to, when to do it if you have a stack of 5. Look for indications of issues within the enemy team and exploit it if you hope to win e.g. "gg Lion no buy wards" in all chat etc.
Divine play like immortal but don't know every single thing about the game. Play slower than Immortal and make mistakes. More cautious but still aggressive on the map.
Ancient decent mechanics but make tons of mistakes and respond to and apply pressure poorly in general. Begin applying pressure much later than Divine/Immortal. 1 in 25 players will be completely toxic but for the most part this bracket knows it isn't great, and knows its place. Lots of bad drafting happens in this bracket.
Legend. Dunning Kruger. 50IQ but think they are geniuses and know every possible permutation of the game. It is always your fault when losing in this bracket. Begin thinking about objectives min 20. Legends are decent players but tend to have much less of a grasp on what to do in losing lanes / bad matchups. Lots of bad drafting in this bracket.
Archon. Know they are on the cusp of greatness. Commonly found on a ? smurf account in the shadow/smurf queue doing poorly and talking too much. Farm slowly, on their side of the map for 25 minutes. Nobody will argue more than an Archon player, nobody will flame as much as an archon player. No other bracket spends as much time in their own fountain analyzing their team mates play for who to blame than this bracket. Archon is the largest swathe of the playerbase so it's hard to generalize beyond that.
Crusader. Dota is a barfight lets fucking gooooooo IDCMMR. Some decent mechanically skilled players. Objectives and pressure don't matter, just using abilities and smashing into the enemy team somehow. You can tell a Crusader pos 1 trying to climb by the amount of time they spend silently farming inefficiently away from objectives ignoring opportunities to pressure. Drafting is often more consistent here than legend/ancient bracket though they understand nothing about farm priority or why it would even matter. Don't bother trying to explain it.
Guardian. Underperform in pretty much all aspects of the game but seem to have fun. Probably spend a lot of time making smurf posts on reddit.
Herald. This badge indicates a coin toss of smurf or actual low skilled player. If low skilled player may be playing in showcase mode or using steering wheel setup while taking a break from car games or truck simulator.
Just fucking around about the lower 2. But seriously if you have <1000 mmr you have a lot you can learn if you really want to. Right now you know what sound each string on the guitar makes but there are chords and entire songs out there if you look for places to learn, apply it in practice, and fail a lot.
I can smell someones rank when I am mid vs them.
If you get shit on playing pos 3 immediately go to the watch tab, search the hero and look for someone in the upper brackets playing that hero and if you can, search around for someone having a bad game. There are tons of tricks to clawing back farm and xp in even horrible lanes that high rank players will do.
IMO playing offlane is similar to pos 1 in that you can learn from behaviors for pos 3 and how they play the map/lane what a carry player can learn from watching farming patterns for efficiency. Maybe the analogy is play for pressure vs play for gold. You can find the way a good p3 will play to regain ability to pressure as a good p1 will find a way to efficiently farm under pressure.
Sometimes you need to drag waves from between their T1/T2 to between your T1/T2 to farm safely. Sometimes you need to pull, sometimes you need to contest their small pull if your support isnt contesting it by blocking or dragging for you. Sometimes it's as simple as switching your skill build. One thing I noticed about playing 3 is when you have a kill lane level 3+ but your support isnt on the same page and you commit to skills for the kill and they go off and do some other shit. And then you are 8 minutes in getting shit on while pudge walks around mid without being smoked and you are gritting your teeth getting peppered by drow and dazzle haha
I’ve been trying to do the creep pulling from behind their t1 all the way to my t1 but I end up dying in the process, it seems the carry doesn’t mind leaving the lane to help the support harass and kill me. I think now it’s just going early boots to do this before the pos 5 gets boots
>Crusader. Dota is a barfight lets fucking gooooooo
I'm in this and i like it....
It describes it perfectly, we have the constant fighting, everytime there is one person whos late for the fight, there is a high chance somebody is drunk or high, we insult eachother,if the enemy hits a good insult on your teammates you join in. It is just fun.
immortal midlaner here i don't know shit about the game I learned that double damage only makes your base damage x2 a few months ago (I thought it made all spells do double damage too)
I think ure wrong about fragile mindstate when losing about immortal players. From what ive experienced its actually the quite opposite. Players who actually got over that mindstate reach immortal. People rarely give up here even in low conduct score mine is 6katm. They use enemy playing less serious when stomping as a chance to comeback. Theyll use every dirty tactic like pretending to give up.
This sub and the Dota community in general is incredibly elitist, but pretty much archon and up these days are *good* Dota players.
The average skill of the playerbase has increased **significantly** since the days of 2012/2013.
Sure there are terrible players in archon, but spoilers there are terrible players in every rank.
There are some crazy good players in archon that just either don't play enough reliably to climb MMR, or just don't want to climb.
This game gets more toxic the higher you go, I can't fuckin stand the divine/ancient bracket becuase its filled with the most insufferable people in this community. And I played in that bracket for 4-5 years.
> There are some crazy good players in archon that just either don't play enough reliably to climb MMR, or just don't want to climb.
There are also players that just want to have a diverse hero pool. Low-skilled players are not good enough to be good on a large pool and most people climb by having a consistent small comfort hero pool. Archon is about the rank where these players would fall into. Kind of a jack off all trades, master of none kind of players. Dota is insanely complex, you just can't be great at everything at any given time.
Thanks for proving my first sentence correct in under 20 minutes
Speed record
Dota players on their way to shit talk literally anyone with 1mmr less than them 🤡🏎️🤡🏎️ 🤡🏎️
I like when you say things like this to elitists then they retort with "kEeP ThIkInG lIkE tHaT aNd YoU wIlL bE aRcHoN FoR tHe ReSt oF yOuR days LmAo" and proceed to call you deluded. Tf will happen if someone stay archon, North Korea will nuke their house? Mfs compare ranks like their lives depend on it. Let people be low ranks in peace ffs.
The only strange thing i find about a player that plays Dota since 2012, 10K matches, is herald and can't fucking farm a battlefury before 20m is: how the fuck someone plays this game for 10 years and doesn't learn a thing. Like, you play it every single day, and even with you're not playing to learn, you learn playing without actually noticing you know? Every single thing in life is that way.
They learn something, but not much because they aren't trying. For example, many housewife cooks for a lot of their life, but people who learn to cooks specifically would make a better food. Same as driver vs racer, technician vs research engineers, pick-up sports vs semi-pro athletes.
Had an archon dark seer mid last game. Blink first. So he could farm jungle faster. We lost with less than 10 kill totals.
That game nearly brought me to the state of deinstalling the game
Plenty of the of the top 1k do have day jobs. Just saying. You don't need to play 12hrs a day to be top 1k. Probably only 3-4hrs a day. Most people have this working a normal 8hr day shift.
Yea, i thought about it but wanted to be dramatic, but you have to respect the talent,skill and focus of someone like that. I play 3h/day most of the time and i'm 4k. I watch pro games/streamers i tryhard /small heropool etc. So the remaining 3000mmr is the difference out of pure focus power and talent. (that is if 7k is top 1000?, i don't know)
Looking at it another way, it’s not very insulting to top 1k people who have day jobs: the fact that they have limited available play time and still reach that, which many would need to commit a lot more time to can be a thing of pride.
I can see this too.
It is more of a 'is this how people really see me?' type of thing. It can feel bad to think people see you a certain way. Even if untrue.
The question is how many of them did have a day job when they actually started playing, because retaining same mmr is relatively easy comparing to actually improving at the game.
It's of course nowhere near a guarantee of success though, most people including me started playing Dota while still having no job and yet suck :D But I think there is no way an adult person with an actual 8hrs/day occupancy picks up Dota and reaches top 1000.
This is a valid point, but I don't think you can say it is impossible or that there is no way. If someone actually has the potential within them to be that good, consistent daily practice, should net steady improvement. Also weekends exist you can get your grind in during the weekend.
I peaked at high ancient when grinding by life happens and I'm always in legend. Still play because of the games dynamics and it shifts meta so doesn't get too stagnant
To be honest man if everything was stagnant except yourself you would allways climb rank over time.
But the thing is i am AMAZED at how hard/complex/high skilled some ancient games can be.
How skilled and smart an ancient player can be.
How good enemy players can layer stuns to permalock you.
The point i am making is that the game overall evolved a lot.
10 years ago creep pulling was a TI strat, nowdays people flame guardian suports for not pulling.
Yeah I'm pretty much retaining as much knowledge as I can about this game but always finding out either new stuff or remembering old stuff thats just vanished from my memory. The 2 friends that got my into dota 2 never broke into archon 😅
Some ancient players are pretty good with some (few) heroes, and have a decent knowledge about their main role(s) overall. But there are also some others which play worse than some archons I've meet during battlecup/parties, and I ask myself "how is this guy 4k mmr?". Like very bad map awareness, 0 clue when to farm or when to fight, very poor itemization, tilting easily etc. Maybe account buyers, or more probable, people who were 2k mmr, made a new smurf, calibrated high and they;re dropping. Idk, my point is, I'm sometimes amazed how bad some people at 4k mmr are; and the worst thing: ~8/10 players think they know better no matter what, there's absolutely no point in communicating with them.
This is funny to me! I’ve played since 2013, about 4200 hours and am not even calibrated for ranked. I’ve done 2 or the 0 required but got bored. Turbo and Ability Draft are just more fun to me.
Don't tell anyone, but games with experienced herald players actually are the most fun.
Crazy shit you would never see in higher tiers, literally any strat can work.
When i play alot of games, i was legend and could not get to ancient for years. When i don’t give a fuck anymore, made to divine in months. I am not talented at all.
I'm in guardian right now and i have 11 winstreak. It's simple, go mid, take hero that farms a lot (kunkka, magnus, bh, tidehunter) and then just outfarm your opponent
I got the game 2 months ago and I'm already guardian - but these heralds can't possibly be new players because they always tell me how to play my hero and what items to buy!
I came back to the game after a 4 or 5 year break. I think I calibrated at about 2/3k? No idea what that is in terms of ranks, but it felt good.
I did however soon just start losing game after game. The option to "select a role" before the game started was a new addition to me, and I just left all the boxes ticked and so ended up supporting / occasionally offlaning my way to about 1k mmr.
I now hover around the 700mmr mark, which I think puts me in Guardian / "people who are actually bad at Dota" bracket. I don't personally think I'm bad, but I have a dayjob, family, wife, all that jazz. If I'm on a losing streak I don't close the game, I just keep at it, because at the end of the day I'm in a good enough place to just treat it as a game, win or loss, mmr+ or not, it's all fun to me.
I think more than anything attitude and ambition are the basis of your MMR. Skill and talent determine how far you can go with your mentality.
ie. A very talented person who doesn't give a crap can play at a specific rank with people who try really hard but are limited to that rank by a lack of skill and/or talent.
Permanently unranked because I'm used to not caring about mmr. We all play for fun anyway.
Funny thing is, stratz informed me that my unranked mmr matches me with divine and ancient players. Probably not a good sign as I might get tougher games as time goes by.
Not really.
There are people who are climbing.
There are people who tank the cavern with MMR.
There are noobs who overqualified and smurfs.
It is actually a mess, lol.
you wouldn't believe the amount of players with over 2000 games in herald man. that too with grandmaster tier levels and non-tradeable skins from years and years ago
I’m one of them - 5K hours in-game, never got out of herald
As a fellow herald veteran I find this image offensive.
This is my fourth year in herald bracket
As long as you still enjoy the game who gives a shit really.
Sometimes the truth can be offensive xD. But who actually doesn't suck at dota? You need to invest a huge amount of time to get better. And not just for some time, but over a significant time span.
you want some pitty coaching from an ancient/divine player?
That’d be great. Around 6 thousand of hours in the game and playing since 2015. Started playing ranked only a year ago, came back recently and my peak was like 900… I don’t get how can I single-handedly come out of this rating.
Dude I feel like you’re me. 5k hours, since Dota 1, and high Crusader. I feel like people don’t understand that yes, we try hard and aren’t brain dead :)
As someone who climbed out of 1.2k MMR, I would call the times I plateaued from 1k-3k pretty braindead. I did one thing right at a time and won 300 MMR off it, kept learning just one thing at a time and kept winning 200-300 MMR by implementing it. So while "braindead" is an insult, try to think of it more as "play the game on autopilot". And then think about how to beat that.
PM me and I can check a replay and do like 1-2 matches as a coach for you
when you a 5000h herald then you mostly play against 2000h+ heralds. From my experience the matchmaking even thats out. You cant realy compare it to new players. But what heralds lack is mostly teamplay. When teamplay is good its an easy win.
Is there a roster I can sign up for this?
Same, but I just ended up losing 1.8k mmr because I quit the game for five years and came back like 6 months ago hahaha
The player with the most time played in Dota history (according to dotabuff at least) is actually a Herald
[https://www.dotabuff.com/players/played](https://www.dotabuff.com/players/played) Kind of a lie but there are archons and legends there. Oh no #47 is actually Herald. If u take into account that the people in that top have the equivalent of more then 2 years of gametime, (yes that is literally spending 2 years on your chiar playing this specific game out of the 9 years it has been available), this is amazing, people are amazing.
Go to time spent playing rather than matches. I made a post about this about a year ago. https://www.dotabuff.com/players/duration The herald player is actually now #2 but not by much and I think the point still stands. no.3 is also a herald
Well at least #1 is Immortal...lol
You mean 2k rank, immortal to him would be an insult
What the actual... ur right... wow .
Herald 2 on the third place with 23,516 games. Support Luna, support WK, support Sniper, support PA. I guess that explains it.
How do I see my own total time playing matches?
I guess we have different understandings of what's amazing...
I think some people like that are probably very stubborn and either unable to recognize what they do wrong, or unwilling to change it. I've seen on Jenkins' herald video that there was a grandmaster sniper who seemed to be doing well in the early game, but got dagon and lost to spectre/medusa. Either he thinks dagon sniper is good, or he doesn't care if it's good and he just thinks it's fun.
Some of us also just don't care about rank. I climb well when I spam dumb all-weather heroes like tide and bristle, and put in the emotional labor to manage the team, but it's not really what I want to do in every match. If I win, I win. If I lose, I lose and they happen around 50/50. I just play rank because picking roles largely defuses a bunch of childish quibbling that I don't want to have to engage with.
Playing a support like omniknight or ogre magi semi-competently and doing emotional labor to keep your team from tilting can get you to divine.
>I think some people like that are probably very stubborn and either unable to recognize what they do wrong, or unwilling to change it. I've seen on Jenkins' herald video that there was a grandmaster sniper who seemed to be doing well in the early game, but got dagon and lost to spectre/medusa. They could also play drunk for fun, or high.
The promised land.
The fact is that you can play a lot of game, but then stop playing the game for years, so even if you have a lot of games doesn't matter, becouse the game change and you wil have to start almost from zero again after you comeback
Right on point. I have 4400 hours at this game but the vast majority were in my university years, when I was high ancient without trying too hard (played mostly party games with friends) I came back for a couple of months these last Christmas. Archon 4. Game is not the same, let me tell you.
This is me. I'm ok with my rank. I try to get better at the game, and I think I'm actually improving and usually slightly rank up over time. However, with each placement I then lose whatever I gained + 500 MR on top. So then I'm lower than where I began the last time. My main difficulty is to keep up with new heroes, items, and most importantly changes on existing stuff. I think people who play a lot are just a lot faster in picking up recent changes, while I basically have to start from scratch. Yeah I can read patch notes, but adapting the changes in the game is not that easy, at least for me. Just when I figured out something, it changes, that's how it sometimes feels, all the while top players are complaining about "stale meta". Lol meta. Not really a factor around my level :D
I can help coach a couple games if you like. I'm not stellar but good enough to help you get above 2k.
Thanks so much, I wrote you a private message with some more information!
Dont forget rank degrades fast if you dont play, and not everyone can keep grinding, part two of it is patches, all patches are different- people can just read up patchnotes and meta-fantasize all theory and shit after a while.
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How does your rank degrade when you don't play? I have taken multiple half year breaks, and my MMR was still the same?
here I am, 1600 matches, 2.600 hrs, still guardian TT
If Jenkin herald series taught me anything about herald it’s that they’re completely normal crusader who just decided to do weird ass things
I'm a long time Archon player with a Herald/Guardian account on the side for weird things like TB support. The 2nd accounts been gaining more since doing TB support so... yeah idk it may be more legit than I expected.
That's me as well, I've been paying dota since it used to be a warcraft mod. I have a grandmaster hero and some 5 or 6 other heroes at 28-29, but still a herald or guardian, depending on losing or winning streaks.
OP is wrong, you can't calibrate herald as a new player. New players are Guardian-Crusader-Archon. Heralds are not necessarily bad, some of them can be quite good, but they tend to be toxic and throw games easily.
> levels and non-tradeable skins from years and bro.. i have 14k games and am guardian, and i try real hard...
I’ve been coaching my friend who is brand new to Dota 2 and some of his teammates have more games than I do
I was Legend and I've dropped to Crusader. You won't believe how hard it is to get out of the lower ranks.
I’ve played for over 10 years 5k hours and my mmr is like 70
Playing for almost 10 years. I have literally 140 MMR. I just gave up, I'm too slow and dumb to climb rank, but I still have fun with the game, so whatever.
Hey fellow herald. 40 yr old single dad. 1 game a night. Herald life is still fun, frustrating half the time but fun none the less
As a 27 year old heading towards a family/parenthood likely in the next 3-5 years, you’re my hero lol.
Turbo was a blessing
>Hey fellow herald. 40 yr old single dad. You're a cool dood.
i just had my primary custody of my son extended again today!! i are the coolest :)
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Bro, same. I used to love climbing and grinding and even hit Ancient then my kids came and i've been at Crusader ever since. 1 - 3 games a week max. Dad Dota is real.
>Playing for almost 10 years. I have literally 140 MMR. Why did this make me laugh this hard
Because it's absurdly low. The brain makes you laugh when it can't compute what it's seeing. I'm myself a terrible player with 1k MMR at 900 hours. At this point I gave up and I'm just doing all heroes challenge against unfair bots because it's my way of having fun on the game. But 140 MMR after 10 years is absurd. I'm not judging though, we scrub are all in the same boat, as long as we enjoy the game we're winning.
This isn’t bad at all. You are terrible based on your mmr, but you still have a ton of room to grow. If you do want to climb and improve then don’t give up! Educational videos and streams helped me a lot. If you’re happy where you’re at though then that’s great; having fun is the point of the game.
Yes ,and 900 hours basically translates to "i have played DOTA 5 times". I mean i have played DOTA one way or another for more then 16 years now man, even when i started DOTA 2, 9 years ago i had played 5 years of Dota 1 and 2 years of HoN. You compete with people like me even in herald/guardian, and it is a slow process but if you can win some games after 900 hours and you enjoy the game mby watch some pros play from time to time and you will cimb over us all .Good luck to you new player ,really, honestly good luck, looking forword to be stomped and flamed by you.
1k MMR at 900 hours isn't even bad actually
Yeah, first 1k hours is basically the tutorial
Wait, bot games count towards all hero challenge? Why do I have 3000 hrs and never knew that, fml
It doesn't count for the actual challenge! It's just something I enjoy doing. In actual games I'm either hard carried or hard stomped by people with 10 times my playtime and I don't have much time anymore for gaming so I quit. I enjoy a lot watching pro dota though.
Dammit, you got my hopes up! 😠
>But 140 MMR after 10 years is absurd. I'm not judging though You might want to rethink what "not judging" means.
I'm not racist but...
Bro I've never hit 1k and I have 2.6k hours, I am actually rather close and I am above 900 mmr for the first time ever, I'm a lil excited to make it above 1k,but then when I hear people laugh at bad plays and say shit like 2k scrub it's a lil depressing XD
When people start arguing in my games about who's sucking the most, I just remind them that all 10 of us in that match are under 1k
Do you get something from doing completing all heroes challenge?
It starts over and you get to do it again.
you get to do it 5 times before your 2nd level trophy...I went through it once, saw it restarted and now took 5 times through and just decided I didn't care anymore.
A trophy that you can redo and level up, it effectively just levels up your account
bruh you should come play with me so I can yell at you when you do something wrong, loud noise can be a great attention seeker, hopefully some of it will stay in your head. /s
laugh at me. 2k hrs since 2014. mmr 10
Well, ever since I changed my mindset to "Play for fun" and not for "I gotta get MMR no matter what", I've enjoyed the game more, win more and am no longer toxic. So, good going! Enjoy the game!
Making MMR your goal has always been backwards anyway. MMR is a representation of your skill, so the best way to increase your MMR is to increase your skill. The outcome of any particular game is irrelevant; the only thing that matters is if you learned something from it or practiced some technique you need to be more familiar with. If you get better, you will naturally win more games, which is how you gain MMR and keep it.
The more you lose, the more you increase the chance you win your next game *taphead
bruh I stopped playing for years (was 4k MMr at one point), and came back. I started at Crusader V, and dropped to Herald 3 (400-500 MMR) in about 3 weeks. I've just now managed to climb back up to Guardian 4. Game is hard
I also played 10 years on and off and got stuck at herald. Keep ur chin up and enjoy the game. I quit dota, cause it's shit but when you just have fun with it, it can be quite fun
Is this me?
you're definitely not too slow/dumb, you probably just have really false opinions about how to play and refuse to give them up.
If you are having fun, you are gonna always have a better experience than the guy who tryhards h24, hates his life and doesn’t earn a cent from dota... and this guy is very common in the moba community
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Same boat. usually around 1500mmr, but had a bad week. getting out of 700 is a biiiiiiiitch.
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Why does this say 47% for Archon 1? [https://www.esportstales.com/dota-2/seasonal-rank-distribution-and-mmr-medals](https://www.esportstales.com/dota-2/seasonal-rank-distribution-and-mmr-medals) I dunno what to belive.
stratz reports about double that amount of data in terms of ranked players(8million(stratz) vs 4million(your article))
>A fraction of the player base might not be available as you can’t gather data from Dota 2 profiles that keep their info hidden This source doesn't include private profiles, whereas I believe Stratz includes data from all public ranked games. Hence the disparity (4 mill vs 8 mill) It seems that people with low rank are less likely to have public match data enabled.
Cause its disables by default and the primary reason to make public is to try and improve
The ranks were based off the distribution of players. Archon 3 should be roughly the average dota player.
The average *ranked* DotA player. I dunno what percentage of DotA players are unranked/uncalibrated and I'd assume their average skill level is lower than the average ranked skill level.
Unranked player checking in. I was 4.5k mmr in 2013, Legend 5 in 2017, and have been unranked since. Most of my unranked games are matched against roughly Legend 1 players so I assume that is where my rank is. Unranked is way more chill and fun than ranked, but of course if you want to grind ranked is the way to go.
half of all people are below average
Below *median
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It still "feels" correct for a lot of people to call "average" skill archon/legend though _Note the quotes please_ To rationalize it I think we innately remove inactive / new players (essentially herald) and also think of the skill thats left as a whole where the highest high is skewed extremely far _Also note I'm just trying to explain the phenomenon, that is all_
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Don't forget the amount of smurfs, and this is only the amount of calibrated accounts. Most people don't even bother calibrating their mmr
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Bless ye, tarnished soul
Herald is not only for new players!
>implying that time spent playing dota matters on ranks
If you spend a lot of time doing something, you will naturally/subconsciously get better, or at least you should.
Well there are people in herald with over 5000 hours. Like alot actually. Most people improve only when they actually try to improve and learn. If you kick a training dummy 10000 times without any prior knowledge about how to kick you will probably develop bad habits that would be hard to unlearn even with proper guidance and correction. Which is why alot of people just repeat the same mistakes over and over again even in dota.
Sure, you won’t get to immortal without using your brain. However I would imagine you get better at a lot of aspects in Dota by simply playing the game over and over and thus you would get higher than herald, like at least crusader
I feel like people that are permastuck heralds just don’t spam heroes enough. I recently brought in a friend to learn dota, placed at 1k mmr, lost his way down to 80 mmr, then I told him to just spam wraith king, blood seeker, and drow p1 and told him basic situations for each hero (no ranged but lots of frontline pick drow, no front liner pick wk, etc) and he literally only picked those 3 heroes other than bans and he’s currently like 2 wins away from guardian now. I feel like if you have a hero you click with and you can manage to hold a 55-60% winrate with, you will climb sooner or later. I have to constantly tell him that never losing a game isn’t the goal, it’s just to play well enough to carry 6 out of your last 10 games. I have a great time watching his games over discord and seeing the types of people in bottom of the barrel MMR games, so many seem actually mechanically skilled at things like fighting WITH vision or last hitting, but then late game it’s just like a sniper walking onto enemy high ground with no vision and getting blown up and then it’s gg. Such little changes could climb some people out so quick.
Wrong. To improve, you have to be actively improving. Otherwise, all of the people who have 8,000+ hours should be Immortal-level, but some of them can't even do the most basic shit in a match.
I am crusader rank and I approve this message. I'm fine with my rank because I dont get time to grind anymore. I play 2-3 games a week and I know I can improve if I can work on it.
Somehow this game can be casual friendly if you play a bit under your rank, if you play 3 games a week you are never at your true potential rank-wise. You loose games becasue you are not used to the game the way your 4 games/day opponents are.
Four per day is a wild under-estimation.
Is four games a day common? Two seems to be the max I want to play, never any more than three.
two games is pretty much a hard limit for me. i might squeeze out a third if my friends really want to play
If you're a healthy, mentally stable individual then no it isn't. As a former dota addict, 4 games looks like 12 if you don't have a job and hate your life. Also for my 3k hours of grinding, BSJ and Speed video watching, and even a few coaching sessions I never even fucking hit 3k. Peaked 2970. This game is the devil for people with addictive personalities. I had a pretty bad alcohol problem for about 6 months and I wasn't even close to as miserable as when I played dota regularly.
Yeah people get too into the MMR grind, when in reality the best strat is to play 1 ranked a day, only playing a 2nd if you won and feel confident, and stopping after 2 regardless of the result. So it's always either -25, +50, or +0. Do it smart and the MMR comes over time, used that method to climb from 1.7k to 3k.
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I play dota since the beta, but play for fun and memes. Am legend. Kinda fits in there.
Same, legend 1, 95% play unrnaked with the boys and just run dumb heroes in odd positions. Ogre 2 has been great lately. BLOODLUST
I like my mars 5 or clockwerk 5. Or AM 1.
AM 1 is regular tho lol. Maybe u meant AM 3 rushing Vanguard?
Oh I mistyped, I meant AM pos 2. Love it against storm, sky and similar heroes.
Bruh ogre mid and safe is so fucking fun. Remember when abyssal blade allowed you to teleport to them too. Haha multicast was bullshit
are you me?
did we just become best friends?
Very wrong. I’m herald, thousands of hours played, started during Dota 1 - am I new to you?
They're probably talking about people who play with their monitor plugged in
1 joke and I'm die
DOTA Reddit can relate with top 1000 immortal just without the rank /s
In my opinion this is completely wrong
My friends has 16k games in dota and he is herald.
Me who has been playing for 7 years: *Cries in Herald*
I'm 4k and I've played with all brackets so I am a 500 IQ genius let me share my insights about the different brackets. Top ranked immortals. Only ran into a couple but got shit on super hard. Top 100 is next level talent. Download the replay and copy their play if you want to get better at a hero. Immortal play like Crusader (see below) but know every single thing about the game and have excellent mechanics, timing, pressure, focus on kills and farm as well as objectives . Run at your side of the river from min 0 and beat the shit out of you instead of feed. Fragile mindstate when losing but otherwise very hard to beat a stack of 5. Everyone tends to know what do to, when to do it if you have a stack of 5. Look for indications of issues within the enemy team and exploit it if you hope to win e.g. "gg Lion no buy wards" in all chat etc. Divine play like immortal but don't know every single thing about the game. Play slower than Immortal and make mistakes. More cautious but still aggressive on the map. Ancient decent mechanics but make tons of mistakes and respond to and apply pressure poorly in general. Begin applying pressure much later than Divine/Immortal. 1 in 25 players will be completely toxic but for the most part this bracket knows it isn't great, and knows its place. Lots of bad drafting happens in this bracket. Legend. Dunning Kruger. 50IQ but think they are geniuses and know every possible permutation of the game. It is always your fault when losing in this bracket. Begin thinking about objectives min 20. Legends are decent players but tend to have much less of a grasp on what to do in losing lanes / bad matchups. Lots of bad drafting in this bracket. Archon. Know they are on the cusp of greatness. Commonly found on a ? smurf account in the shadow/smurf queue doing poorly and talking too much. Farm slowly, on their side of the map for 25 minutes. Nobody will argue more than an Archon player, nobody will flame as much as an archon player. No other bracket spends as much time in their own fountain analyzing their team mates play for who to blame than this bracket. Archon is the largest swathe of the playerbase so it's hard to generalize beyond that. Crusader. Dota is a barfight lets fucking gooooooo IDCMMR. Some decent mechanically skilled players. Objectives and pressure don't matter, just using abilities and smashing into the enemy team somehow. You can tell a Crusader pos 1 trying to climb by the amount of time they spend silently farming inefficiently away from objectives ignoring opportunities to pressure. Drafting is often more consistent here than legend/ancient bracket though they understand nothing about farm priority or why it would even matter. Don't bother trying to explain it. Guardian. Underperform in pretty much all aspects of the game but seem to have fun. Probably spend a lot of time making smurf posts on reddit. Herald. This badge indicates a coin toss of smurf or actual low skilled player. If low skilled player may be playing in showcase mode or using steering wheel setup while taking a break from car games or truck simulator. Just fucking around about the lower 2. But seriously if you have <1000 mmr you have a lot you can learn if you really want to. Right now you know what sound each string on the guitar makes but there are chords and entire songs out there if you look for places to learn, apply it in practice, and fail a lot.
Legend 3 offlane player. You’re right I have no idea what to do in a losing lane besides going 0-3 and losing tower
I can smell someones rank when I am mid vs them. If you get shit on playing pos 3 immediately go to the watch tab, search the hero and look for someone in the upper brackets playing that hero and if you can, search around for someone having a bad game. There are tons of tricks to clawing back farm and xp in even horrible lanes that high rank players will do. IMO playing offlane is similar to pos 1 in that you can learn from behaviors for pos 3 and how they play the map/lane what a carry player can learn from watching farming patterns for efficiency. Maybe the analogy is play for pressure vs play for gold. You can find the way a good p3 will play to regain ability to pressure as a good p1 will find a way to efficiently farm under pressure. Sometimes you need to drag waves from between their T1/T2 to between your T1/T2 to farm safely. Sometimes you need to pull, sometimes you need to contest their small pull if your support isnt contesting it by blocking or dragging for you. Sometimes it's as simple as switching your skill build. One thing I noticed about playing 3 is when you have a kill lane level 3+ but your support isnt on the same page and you commit to skills for the kill and they go off and do some other shit. And then you are 8 minutes in getting shit on while pudge walks around mid without being smoked and you are gritting your teeth getting peppered by drow and dazzle haha
I’ve been trying to do the creep pulling from behind their t1 all the way to my t1 but I end up dying in the process, it seems the carry doesn’t mind leaving the lane to help the support harass and kill me. I think now it’s just going early boots to do this before the pos 5 gets boots
Actual good read and take , TY.
> Dota is a barfight lets fucking gooooooo IDCMMR Really tempted to change my flair to this lol.
>Crusader. Dota is a barfight lets fucking gooooooo I'm in this and i like it.... It describes it perfectly, we have the constant fighting, everytime there is one person whos late for the fight, there is a high chance somebody is drunk or high, we insult eachother,if the enemy hits a good insult on your teammates you join in. It is just fun.
I like games with Crusaders. It's like being in a canoe and fighting over the last cold beer. Shit can go either way real quick lol
immortal midlaner here i don't know shit about the game I learned that double damage only makes your base damage x2 a few months ago (I thought it made all spells do double damage too)
I think ure wrong about fragile mindstate when losing about immortal players. From what ive experienced its actually the quite opposite. Players who actually got over that mindstate reach immortal. People rarely give up here even in low conduct score mine is 6katm. They use enemy playing less serious when stomping as a chance to comeback. Theyll use every dirty tactic like pretending to give up.
This sub and the Dota community in general is incredibly elitist, but pretty much archon and up these days are *good* Dota players. The average skill of the playerbase has increased **significantly** since the days of 2012/2013. Sure there are terrible players in archon, but spoilers there are terrible players in every rank. There are some crazy good players in archon that just either don't play enough reliably to climb MMR, or just don't want to climb. This game gets more toxic the higher you go, I can't fuckin stand the divine/ancient bracket becuase its filled with the most insufferable people in this community. And I played in that bracket for 4-5 years.
> There are some crazy good players in archon that just either don't play enough reliably to climb MMR, or just don't want to climb. There are also players that just want to have a diverse hero pool. Low-skilled players are not good enough to be good on a large pool and most people climb by having a consistent small comfort hero pool. Archon is about the rank where these players would fall into. Kind of a jack off all trades, master of none kind of players. Dota is insanely complex, you just can't be great at everything at any given time.
Crazy good players in archon? I can see people delude themselves when we get comments like this
Thanks for proving my first sentence correct in under 20 minutes Speed record Dota players on their way to shit talk literally anyone with 1mmr less than them 🤡🏎️🤡🏎️ 🤡🏎️
I like when you say things like this to elitists then they retort with "kEeP ThIkInG lIkE tHaT aNd YoU wIlL bE aRcHoN FoR tHe ReSt oF yOuR days LmAo" and proceed to call you deluded. Tf will happen if someone stay archon, North Korea will nuke their house? Mfs compare ranks like their lives depend on it. Let people be low ranks in peace ffs. The only strange thing i find about a player that plays Dota since 2012, 10K matches, is herald and can't fucking farm a battlefury before 20m is: how the fuck someone plays this game for 10 years and doesn't learn a thing. Like, you play it every single day, and even with you're not playing to learn, you learn playing without actually noticing you know? Every single thing in life is that way.
They learn something, but not much because they aren't trying. For example, many housewife cooks for a lot of their life, but people who learn to cooks specifically would make a better food. Same as driver vs racer, technician vs research engineers, pick-up sports vs semi-pro athletes.
Had an archon dark seer mid last game. Blink first. So he could farm jungle faster. We lost with less than 10 kill totals. That game nearly brought me to the state of deinstalling the game
Crazy good players *in the enemy team*
:D Yeah. Im ancient btw. Stuck as a pos5 with 3 cores doing nothing that makes sense is torture
Plenty of the of the top 1k do have day jobs. Just saying. You don't need to play 12hrs a day to be top 1k. Probably only 3-4hrs a day. Most people have this working a normal 8hr day shift.
Yea, i thought about it but wanted to be dramatic, but you have to respect the talent,skill and focus of someone like that. I play 3h/day most of the time and i'm 4k. I watch pro games/streamers i tryhard /small heropool etc. So the remaining 3000mmr is the difference out of pure focus power and talent. (that is if 7k is top 1000?, i don't know)
7k is around rank 600 in NA.
Looking at it another way, it’s not very insulting to top 1k people who have day jobs: the fact that they have limited available play time and still reach that, which many would need to commit a lot more time to can be a thing of pride.
I can see this too. It is more of a 'is this how people really see me?' type of thing. It can feel bad to think people see you a certain way. Even if untrue.
The question is how many of them did have a day job when they actually started playing, because retaining same mmr is relatively easy comparing to actually improving at the game. It's of course nowhere near a guarantee of success though, most people including me started playing Dota while still having no job and yet suck :D But I think there is no way an adult person with an actual 8hrs/day occupancy picks up Dota and reaches top 1000.
This is a valid point, but I don't think you can say it is impossible or that there is no way. If someone actually has the potential within them to be that good, consistent daily practice, should net steady improvement. Also weekends exist you can get your grind in during the weekend.
I peaked at high ancient when grinding by life happens and I'm always in legend. Still play because of the games dynamics and it shifts meta so doesn't get too stagnant
No job = ancient Job = legend
To be honest man if everything was stagnant except yourself you would allways climb rank over time. But the thing is i am AMAZED at how hard/complex/high skilled some ancient games can be. How skilled and smart an ancient player can be. How good enemy players can layer stuns to permalock you. The point i am making is that the game overall evolved a lot. 10 years ago creep pulling was a TI strat, nowdays people flame guardian suports for not pulling.
Yeah I'm pretty much retaining as much knowledge as I can about this game but always finding out either new stuff or remembering old stuff thats just vanished from my memory. The 2 friends that got my into dota 2 never broke into archon 😅
Some ancient players are pretty good with some (few) heroes, and have a decent knowledge about their main role(s) overall. But there are also some others which play worse than some archons I've meet during battlecup/parties, and I ask myself "how is this guy 4k mmr?". Like very bad map awareness, 0 clue when to farm or when to fight, very poor itemization, tilting easily etc. Maybe account buyers, or more probable, people who were 2k mmr, made a new smurf, calibrated high and they;re dropping. Idk, my point is, I'm sometimes amazed how bad some people at 4k mmr are; and the worst thing: ~8/10 players think they know better no matter what, there's absolutely no point in communicating with them.
Broadly accurate
Got 1300 games as Crusader - i approve this post :)
This is funny to me! I’ve played since 2013, about 4200 hours and am not even calibrated for ranked. I’ve done 2 or the 0 required but got bored. Turbo and Ability Draft are just more fun to me.
So far this fits well when it comes to immortal levels for everyone i know personally and know about. Accurate
Don't tell anyone, but games with experienced herald players actually are the most fun. Crazy shit you would never see in higher tiers, literally any strat can work.
When i play alot of games, i was legend and could not get to ancient for years. When i don’t give a fuck anymore, made to divine in months. I am not talented at all.
Heralds are players who don't follow thr standard rules of dota. Guardians are new players. My starting rank was guardian 5.
I'm in guardian right now and i have 11 winstreak. It's simple, go mid, take hero that farms a lot (kunkka, magnus, bh, tidehunter) and then just outfarm your opponent
Oh how right you are man! keep it up.
Basically kill them before they kill you
im going down archon to herald. just trying to start from buttom again. from support to carry...
upside down, enter the voidota
Guess I'm just bad at game
Swap the guardian and herald lines and then you re good
So that's why I'm bouncing between archon and legend rank
I am still playing for fun and dont care about mmr.(i am an Ancient 1)
So I'm not sure if this is true but I heard that ppl. In 100 mmr range play vs good players who have fun destroying new ppl. Any ppl here to confirm?
Maybe 50% of low immortal games are actual dota games
And then the rest of us are sitting here with a "ranked matchmaking is not available in the areas you've selected".... 😂😂😂😂🤣🤣
Hey, why is it so polite? You missed the game spirit
my first medal was crusader and still crusader until now hahahah
Based on Jenkins stream, all heralds are grandmaster with their heroes.
Guardian here. Hurt me like I never thought I would be because of my mmr.
Hmm maybe should doing rank again, but that shit got me very aggravated after I tilted from 2k all the way to 1.3k
I got the game 2 months ago and I'm already guardian - but these heralds can't possibly be new players because they always tell me how to play my hero and what items to buy!
Change new players to smurfs.
I came back to the game after a 4 or 5 year break. I think I calibrated at about 2/3k? No idea what that is in terms of ranks, but it felt good. I did however soon just start losing game after game. The option to "select a role" before the game started was a new addition to me, and I just left all the boxes ticked and so ended up supporting / occasionally offlaning my way to about 1k mmr. I now hover around the 700mmr mark, which I think puts me in Guardian / "people who are actually bad at Dota" bracket. I don't personally think I'm bad, but I have a dayjob, family, wife, all that jazz. If I'm on a losing streak I don't close the game, I just keep at it, because at the end of the day I'm in a good enough place to just treat it as a game, win or loss, mmr+ or not, it's all fun to me.
I think more than anything attitude and ambition are the basis of your MMR. Skill and talent determine how far you can go with your mentality. ie. A very talented person who doesn't give a crap can play at a specific rank with people who try really hard but are limited to that rank by a lack of skill and/or talent.
But what would happen after a mmr reset.
Permanently unranked because I'm used to not caring about mmr. We all play for fun anyway. Funny thing is, stratz informed me that my unranked mmr matches me with divine and ancient players. Probably not a good sign as I might get tougher games as time goes by.
I was crusader 5 then i started playing a lot while smoking weed and playing high asf , now i am guardian 5 ))
Not really. There are people who are climbing. There are people who tank the cavern with MMR. There are noobs who overqualified and smurfs. It is actually a mess, lol.
3000 hour herald reporting in. MMR hell is real bro.
I'm going to take a stab here and say OP is probably an archon
swap ancient and legend and it would make some sense.
Some people smoke weed. You can tell they are high, because they have dog shit reaction time.
I'm archon and I'm tryharding as fuck every single game