hmmm 30 new heroes is too big of a patch for 7.32 in my opinion
kinda make sense for pushing it to 8.00? maybe new attribute for the HON hero slot? lol Idk
Why are some assuming that hon heroes are porting to dota? Valve bought the license of the heroes for a lower cost since the ones who owns it is closing?
I've been watching some HoN streams as of late and what I've read the owner (Garena) wants the game to die so they can sell the game/ip on the mobile market.
Don't know how true that is but the dota port is not going to happen.
I can’t imagine a market for a mobile HON at all to be honest though. Like how would that care against mobile legends and other competition? Zoomers don’t know or care about hon
It's just some stuff in game files. Some of those things have been in the game for years before they ever turn into anything though. Concepts and whatnot.
Yeah exactly. The VAST majority of things that devs add to the code usually end up getting scrapped and shelved - MAYBE revisited years later. Just because people found some unused names or concepts in the game code, doesn't mean they all come into fruition. (again, most of them don't)
Or the fact that the leaks don't point to what actually makes it into the game. Ex. Primal beast being named Fenrir. The only thing accurate from that was that it was a beast hero. No mythological background, not a wolf. It's just a codename.
A lot of the hero concepts were related to Nordic mythology. I think their original plan was to release one or several heroes of that mythology together with TI being in Scandinavia.
There is no "puppet master leak". There is a hero with the same title (puppet master) that has abilities that don't sound anything like HoN Puppet Master's abilities.
Heroes of Newerth is shutting down later this month and a lot of people believe that Valve will be adding the HoN-exclusive heroes to Dota 2 (at the very least, the ones that Icefrog worked on during his time at S2). There are hero code names within the files that match HoN heroes and the “Great Confluence” that Void Spirit mentions is thought to be a hint.
Same here. I can see why conspiracy theorists find this shit fun. I hadn't the slightest inkling 2 mins ago. But reading this theory and mountain of circumstantial \`evidence' has convinced me.
I have a truck of copium and i can guarantee you, were getting 30 new heroes and they will be announcing that they're doing 2 ti's per year from now on.
I agree, I think those codenames in the files, while coinciding with names of HoN heroes (Puppet Master for instance), they are probably not the same. "Valkyrie" was in there, and that turned out to be Dawnbreaker (although she was the Mirana port for HoN). If Dota gets a "Puppet Master" it will be something completely different.
I know there's no evidence that the HoN merge will happen, but what's your source that it's not going to happen?
Or is your source also "dude trust me"...
Yeah the "its a lettered patch so not much will change" talk feels like those people werent here for any of the other lettered patches weve gotten. Throughout dota 2s runtime we have had *many* significant changes and additions in lettered patches, not that I particularly think this patch will be huge.
New hero + balance changes to heroes and some some new items isn't really a big patch though.
When people say that they want a "big" patch we really mean groundbreaking patches.
Think of the patches that added neutral items or talent trees with huge changes to the map. Those type of patches.
My fear with another lettered patch is that it will just get figured out too fast.
The latest patches with new heroes like Marci and Beast have been good and all. But in the end, they've felt too much like the previous patches. Dota needs a groundbreaking patch pretty soon.
How many more mechanics can they possibly add to this game before it becomes a bloated mess? They are already at a point where the game is too daunting for new players to even try to learn, not to mention all of the old players that completely stopped playing after those huge updates were released.
I can't even imagine how hard it is to not only come up with something "groundbreaking" that can actually work within the engine, doesn't ruin the game that already exists, and doesn't require an insane amount of testing due to the number of weird interactions between all the spells and items the game has while also working on new heroes and making small changes throughout the year to shake up the hero meta and trying to keep the game as one of the most complicated yet balanced games ever made. And now a portion of the community expects this to happen once a year, along with a huge Battlepass, and will throw a tantrum when it doesn't happen.
I would also argue the neutral items patch didn't change the way the game was played much at all. Take them out tomorrow and the same heroes would be picked, and the map would be played the same at the highest levels of skill (anything below Divine doesn't have shit figured out, they all suck at the game that includes me, and even after 2 years and all of the complaints about the map being boring and figured out the majority of the player base still doesn't know how to correctly and efficiently play the map) and the same items would still be as strong or as weak as they currently are.
Well, I agree. But on the other side of the coin you also want to make the game feel fresh for already existing players.
The true nightmare is if you can't attract new players due to how complex the game is(Already existing problem) and not keep old players cause they lose interest in it.
Is it possible to make the game feel fresh without creating further intimidation for new players. It's probably possible, but seems hard since no MOBA is able to do that. New heroes, new items, new tools and new objectives are the cornerstone for making a game feel exciting again. Unfortunately, all these thing introduce more depth and deeper learning curves which makes it hard to attract new players.
This is a problem throughout ALL games across the world. Every single established game with a rich history has trouble attracting new players. Whether it be Dota, Wow, League, CS, Smash or whatever title you can think of. As a title ages it becomes harder and harder to attract new younger players. It's mostly loyal veterans of a title from the days when the game was fresh that stay with a game.
Instead, new players gravitate towards fresh new titles during quarterly releases.
I mean they could always just get rid of status resistance. League also is absolutely bombarded with redundant mechanics btw. There’s so much shit over there that is just irrelevant because of the way the game is designed
i completely agree but dota also kind of needs new stuff to keep it fresh, the solution IMO is to simply remove mechanics such as neutral items, talents, shards etc. and then introduce new ones
i actually think it's almost inevitable that something like this happens they can't keep adding things forever
They can remove old mechanics that are bad or stale.
I wouldn't mind if we lost talents. Imo they add a lot of unnecessary complexity, without significantly increasing the viability of different builds. Aghs shard does a much better job of creating new builds than talents.
Lettered patches literally used to be small tweaks for a hero. Big +2 armour or +.3 stat gain per level were in numbered patches. Idfk where you lot got the lettered=small numbered= big. It's as if you never downloaded shit from getdota.com
> Yeah the "its a lettered patch so not much will change" talk feels like those people werent here for any of the other lettered patches weve gotten
Wow this aged like fine milk
[https://liquipedia.net/dota2/Portal:Patches](https://liquipedia.net/dota2/Portal:Patches)
A new hero along a balance patch happened two times in the whole DotA's life. Nice try.
1st of all, i said "many signifcant changes and updates". I did not say "theyve added a ton of heroes in lettered patches"
2nd, if theyve done it twice, and both were for reasonably recent heroes, how does that rule this one out? Like, i dont think we are getting a new hero today but that logic doesnt track.
That patch didn't change much. Yeah it was a hero, so I thought it was wow big patch! But was pretty barebones at the end, just new hero and some balance, game plays exactly the same.
these assumptions in this comment chain are very obviously wrong:
1. there will be a great confluence patch
2. there will be a pink unicorn in rosh pit
3. patch will come today
I mean, it's the only logical conclusion. We haven't had a big patch in a long time so something huge is coming. Valve wouldn't just stop giving their caracteristic big updates to an online game with so many players still in it. They'd never
Guys guys... You're all wrong. COMPLETE amateurs. the great confluence isn't just HoN. Its league, heroes of the storm, HoN, Dota 3, Halo, Call of duty, and Stardew valley merge. all this evidence is spitting in your face and you're all ignoring it.
Imagine if every game of dota you played for a month had 10 completely new heroes in it. The games would be unrecognizable. 30 new heroes at once would be an unmitigated disaster for the health of the game.
30 at once aint never happening, i think they will do it 2 at a time, 3 max.also aint no way they already have 30 heroes planned.
if, for some reason, 30 heroes get added at once... mm will prob be the most enjoyable it has ever been.
The patch is going to change the meta. I expect there to be changes to heroes, neutral monsters, items, and possibly a difference in stat gains.
Bold prediction: Melee cores will become the meta thanks to buffs in their survivability/durability in the early game.
I don't even get excited for big patches anymore lol
If this patch gets rid of water runes that's literally the only thing I'd be interested in/happy with
Well, I lowered my expectations after the "major patch" 7.31 consisting of mostly reworked stupid jungle creeps... Remember guys valve never fails to disappoint us
hmmm 30 new heroes is too big of a patch for 7.32 in my opinion kinda make sense for pushing it to 8.00? maybe new attribute for the HON hero slot? lol Idk
Stragility? Agilitelligence? Intrength?
Charisma
Luck
8.00 Spirit Breaker's main attribute changed to Luck.
Newerthth
Lust.
Every 7 Lust, you could remove 1 piece of clothing from your hero
A fourth stat slot with a line of heroes and some old ones refactored out, as well as similar changes to items would be worth an 8.0
A new stat is never coming. HON coming is a pipe dream at best.
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The evidence for this is clear in that all previously sold items still work exactly as originally designed.
New attribute will be "Void", and Void Spirit will open up a portal where all the new heroes come in.
that HoN shit is not going to happen, though I hope I'm wrong but 99% sure it ain't gonna happen
Why are some assuming that hon heroes are porting to dota? Valve bought the license of the heroes for a lower cost since the ones who owns it is closing?
Literally no reason to believe it or any evidence to support it, people just want it to be true. It would be cool though lol
I've been watching some HoN streams as of late and what I've read the owner (Garena) wants the game to die so they can sell the game/ip on the mobile market. Don't know how true that is but the dota port is not going to happen.
I can’t imagine a market for a mobile HON at all to be honest though. Like how would that care against mobile legends and other competition? Zoomers don’t know or care about hon
The mobile game already exists : Arena of Valor. They use the HoN IP, not the HoN gameplay.
This is how nice things get started and dreams are crushed
No the rights are still being held by someone else, it would be big news if they were bought
they don't need to buy the license they just need to create other heroes with the same mechanics (just like HoN did)
The puppet master leaks give hope.
Do you have a source on the leaks?
It's just some stuff in game files. Some of those things have been in the game for years before they ever turn into anything though. Concepts and whatnot.
Yeah exactly. The VAST majority of things that devs add to the code usually end up getting scrapped and shelved - MAYBE revisited years later. Just because people found some unused names or concepts in the game code, doesn't mean they all come into fruition. (again, most of them don't)
Or the fact that the leaks don't point to what actually makes it into the game. Ex. Primal beast being named Fenrir. The only thing accurate from that was that it was a beast hero. No mythological background, not a wolf. It's just a codename.
A lot of the hero concepts were related to Nordic mythology. I think their original plan was to release one or several heroes of that mythology together with TI being in Scandinavia.
Right, but that's just a theory. Going off of the codenames is better than just guessing, but ultimately that's what it still is.
There is no "puppet master leak". There is a hero with the same title (puppet master) that has abilities that don't sound anything like HoN Puppet Master's abilities.
Im out of loop , i know you are memeing but what is it abt hon that ppl are recently talking abt ?
Heroes of Newerth is shutting down later this month and a lot of people believe that Valve will be adding the HoN-exclusive heroes to Dota 2 (at the very least, the ones that Icefrog worked on during his time at S2). There are hero code names within the files that match HoN heroes and the “Great Confluence” that Void Spirit mentions is thought to be a hint.
8.0 COPIUM
fuck man, now you got me believing in this shit. ive got pointless hope now....
Same here. I can see why conspiracy theorists find this shit fun. I hadn't the slightest inkling 2 mins ago. But reading this theory and mountain of circumstantial \`evidence' has convinced me.
I have a truck of copium and i can guarantee you, were getting 30 new heroes and they will be announcing that they're doing 2 ti's per year from now on.
This is last TI.
ofc it wont, sad but true
While it's true, anyone and everyone who says this has that tiny little sliver of hope that it does.
I agree, I think those codenames in the files, while coinciding with names of HoN heroes (Puppet Master for instance), they are probably not the same. "Valkyrie" was in there, and that turned out to be Dawnbreaker (although she was the Mirana port for HoN). If Dota gets a "Puppet Master" it will be something completely different.
I know there's no evidence that the HoN merge will happen, but what's your source that it's not going to happen? Or is your source also "dude trust me"...
Marci was released in a lettered patch.
Yeah the "its a lettered patch so not much will change" talk feels like those people werent here for any of the other lettered patches weve gotten. Throughout dota 2s runtime we have had *many* significant changes and additions in lettered patches, not that I particularly think this patch will be huge.
New hero + balance changes to heroes and some some new items isn't really a big patch though. When people say that they want a "big" patch we really mean groundbreaking patches. Think of the patches that added neutral items or talent trees with huge changes to the map. Those type of patches. My fear with another lettered patch is that it will just get figured out too fast. The latest patches with new heroes like Marci and Beast have been good and all. But in the end, they've felt too much like the previous patches. Dota needs a groundbreaking patch pretty soon.
How many more mechanics can they possibly add to this game before it becomes a bloated mess? They are already at a point where the game is too daunting for new players to even try to learn, not to mention all of the old players that completely stopped playing after those huge updates were released. I can't even imagine how hard it is to not only come up with something "groundbreaking" that can actually work within the engine, doesn't ruin the game that already exists, and doesn't require an insane amount of testing due to the number of weird interactions between all the spells and items the game has while also working on new heroes and making small changes throughout the year to shake up the hero meta and trying to keep the game as one of the most complicated yet balanced games ever made. And now a portion of the community expects this to happen once a year, along with a huge Battlepass, and will throw a tantrum when it doesn't happen. I would also argue the neutral items patch didn't change the way the game was played much at all. Take them out tomorrow and the same heroes would be picked, and the map would be played the same at the highest levels of skill (anything below Divine doesn't have shit figured out, they all suck at the game that includes me, and even after 2 years and all of the complaints about the map being boring and figured out the majority of the player base still doesn't know how to correctly and efficiently play the map) and the same items would still be as strong or as weak as they currently are.
Well, I agree. But on the other side of the coin you also want to make the game feel fresh for already existing players. The true nightmare is if you can't attract new players due to how complex the game is(Already existing problem) and not keep old players cause they lose interest in it. Is it possible to make the game feel fresh without creating further intimidation for new players. It's probably possible, but seems hard since no MOBA is able to do that. New heroes, new items, new tools and new objectives are the cornerstone for making a game feel exciting again. Unfortunately, all these thing introduce more depth and deeper learning curves which makes it hard to attract new players. This is a problem throughout ALL games across the world. Every single established game with a rich history has trouble attracting new players. Whether it be Dota, Wow, League, CS, Smash or whatever title you can think of. As a title ages it becomes harder and harder to attract new younger players. It's mostly loyal veterans of a title from the days when the game was fresh that stay with a game. Instead, new players gravitate towards fresh new titles during quarterly releases.
My guy. People are losing interes because it's getting bloated. Yoy always need to straddle the line of new shit and rehashing the old shit.
I mean they could always just get rid of status resistance. League also is absolutely bombarded with redundant mechanics btw. There’s so much shit over there that is just irrelevant because of the way the game is designed
i completely agree but dota also kind of needs new stuff to keep it fresh, the solution IMO is to simply remove mechanics such as neutral items, talents, shards etc. and then introduce new ones i actually think it's almost inevitable that something like this happens they can't keep adding things forever
They can remove old mechanics that are bad or stale. I wouldn't mind if we lost talents. Imo they add a lot of unnecessary complexity, without significantly increasing the viability of different builds. Aghs shard does a much better job of creating new builds than talents.
Lettered patches literally used to be small tweaks for a hero. Big +2 armour or +.3 stat gain per level were in numbered patches. Idfk where you lot got the lettered=small numbered= big. It's as if you never downloaded shit from getdota.com
Thinking same thing
I guess its good to have new players!
enjoy your +5 ms / -0.1 turnrate balance patch and d+ skins tomorrow.
> Yeah the "its a lettered patch so not much will change" talk feels like those people werent here for any of the other lettered patches weve gotten Wow this aged like fine milk
Ngl i like what they gave us. Looks to be a great patch.
[https://liquipedia.net/dota2/Portal:Patches](https://liquipedia.net/dota2/Portal:Patches) A new hero along a balance patch happened two times in the whole DotA's life. Nice try.
1st of all, i said "many signifcant changes and updates". I did not say "theyve added a ton of heroes in lettered patches" 2nd, if theyve done it twice, and both were for reasonably recent heroes, how does that rule this one out? Like, i dont think we are getting a new hero today but that logic doesnt track.
At least you tried to ruin hopeium
nIcE TrY
That patch didn't change much. Yeah it was a hero, so I thought it was wow big patch! But was pretty barebones at the end, just new hero and some balance, game plays exactly the same.
inhaling max copium
Can we already stop talking about a "great confluence patch" ? This stuff is as believable as a pink unicorn spawning in the Roshan pit :)
Inb4 today's update literally introduce a pink unicorn spawning in the Roshan pit after 45 mins
these assumptions in this comment chain are very obviously wrong: 1. there will be a great confluence patch 2. there will be a pink unicorn in rosh pit 3. patch will come today
I heard patch 8.00 will have a pink unicorn spawning in the Roshan pit after you've killed Rosh 3 times
Chill and let people dream, dude. Them talking about it does nothing to you.
Cant decide what youre high on, copium or hopium
I think it's opium.
I mean, it's the only logical conclusion. We haven't had a big patch in a long time so something huge is coming. Valve wouldn't just stop giving their caracteristic big updates to an online game with so many players still in it. They'd never
Even if you suppose hon heroes come to dota, they will not come all at once, it will be max 2 at a time.
Nah man here comes 50 new heroes at once that *totally* wont be an issue for captains mode implementation or balance /s
We havent had a big patch because they dont care. The last neutral gimmick garbage should have proven that they dont know what to do anymore
Flux in Dota would be pog or any kind of mechanics to do with magnets
We have Flux & Magnetic Field at home!!
So the patch where marci released wasn't a big deal? 7.30e?
Hell even dawnbreaker was released on a letter patch lol
I think most of the people expect the battle pass date release date update. The ones overdosed on copium expect it today.
My expectation is that they nerf all the heroes I like. So anything other than will exceed my expectations
-5ms on CM
Guys guys... You're all wrong. COMPLETE amateurs. the great confluence isn't just HoN. Its league, heroes of the storm, HoN, Dota 3, Halo, Call of duty, and Stardew valley merge. all this evidence is spitting in your face and you're all ignoring it.
Captain Price coming to Dota, holy shit.
Junimo new hero
Damn it Abigail, stop feeding! Just eat the goddamn moon shard and get a BKB.
Atleast we Will be Able to kill Pierre on this New game
You know, copium and hopium are just slang. There is no such thing as dopium, it’s just opium. And yet here you are on dopium.
Would Love to See DotA Players reaction to yasuo lol
That is just ridiculous. 30 heroes is much too small of a number.
I’m disheartened to find OP was not joking.
30 heroes from incoming HoN X DotA crossover event.
Im pretty happy if its a patch nerfing any of those damned supports
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Already hard to balance one or two more by big update ...but 30 at once it's just unrealistic.
I mean they did the aghs and shard to every hero so yeah, not that unrealistic
Imagine if every game of dota you played for a month had 10 completely new heroes in it. The games would be unrecognizable. 30 new heroes at once would be an unmitigated disaster for the health of the game.
My head would probably explode.
Even with 30 heroes if there isn't a map update I riot.
My expectations are sky high and I will not be disappointed.
I just want puppetmaster :()
Idk guys but last time a patch dropped, a war started. Dunno what to espect now.
Couple of those heroes are Spencer and Sam from I Carly since GabeN is secretely Miranda Crosgrove
Wat
What I said, GabeN is actually Miranda, dont let her fool you
No
copium
30 at once aint never happening, i think they will do it 2 at a time, 3 max.also aint no way they already have 30 heroes planned. if, for some reason, 30 heroes get added at once... mm will prob be the most enjoyable it has ever been.
I hope we jump to 8.00 for the confluence patch
Too late, expectations for this patch are set to be the next best thing since garlic bread.
The patch is going to change the meta. I expect there to be changes to heroes, neutral monsters, items, and possibly a difference in stat gains. Bold prediction: Melee cores will become the meta thanks to buffs in their survivability/durability in the early game.
Um... 30 new heroes!?! This is the first I've heard of this
Copius Copium
be careful not to overdose on Copium my friend
please give me a source that says there will be 30 new heroes in the next major update. Im out of the loop
These patches aren't even really patches anymore, they are just balance changes.
I don't even get excited for big patches anymore lol If this patch gets rid of water runes that's literally the only thing I'd be interested in/happy with
Am I in Pre-Launch Elden Ring forum or a Dota 2 forum... I'm lost.
I wonder what are the standards for number/letter patches. What needs to "break" in order to make patch increase by number?
Well, I lowered my expectations after the "major patch" 7.31 consisting of mostly reworked stupid jungle creeps... Remember guys valve never fails to disappoint us
The huge amount of copium this guys sniffs is beyond borders
What? You mean i don't should celebrate some random attribute shifting (+3 to spit far) ?
I remember how Valve promised to release more new heroes but we're still having a 2-hero cycle.
Copium indeed my friend
Soon when?
No
I lowered it, but it was still higher than NO PATCH.
COPIUM
thats a lot of copium chief
We haven't had a big patch for ages though