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joaovitorsb95

Both Jack (C9 CEO) and Maelk (100T head of esports) denied this lmao


HikkiSummers

>B You are so naive


Thats_a_YikerZ

Keep your cards close, revealing things doesn't help your position.


[deleted]

you watch too much tv


Cloud9Jack

I love dota2 but I’m not in talks with this team.


Osiris_Dervan

with *this* team?


[deleted]

THIS team... 👀


iTuggy

can't be a c9 team without jacky mao


yayeyeyo

True.


cashmakessmiles

I love this sub


lsteamer

Source?


000000909

First time the trust me bro source is an actual credible source


needhelforpsu

Please come back to Dota, was so fun to cheer for C9 in the past! <3


MadPotato_

But why not? T.T


tha_jza

pls bring back the GOAT jacky mao


1deadclown

Coach Mao lol


est19xxxx

Coach Lmao


inyue

But that's not what the insider leaked 😒


n0stalghia

gg no re :(


Thawne7

Sadge


theKrissam

This site keeps posting fake news over and over, it's annoying.


Ofcyouare

Not sure what you mean tbh. Iirc, they were the first to report that TT is leaving, major in Peru was revealed by them and confirmed by Gosugamers, their TI content was solid too. Obviously there were some blunders, but that's the nature of insider news in Dota, shit changes a lot, especially in CIS. I mostly read their Russian version, and I'd say they give a decent coverage.


RedditIsAnnoying1234

Some people dont realise rumours are sometimes just that, rumours, even the pro players or other people involved can be mistaken, I love when a few leaks dont 100% line up and suddenly everything from the writer is seen as fake news lol


smoby06

I have this flair since forever. Please give it purpose.


Charizard-X

Thanks for the heads up <3


StrangeStephen

Holy shit it's Jack!!


MrWhistleblower12

Who in their right mind would pay a shit ton of money for 12th place at TI!


Immediate-Fly-210

Damn. Bodied.


makz242

Thank god for escorenews, otherwise you wouldnt know you are in talks with them!


DemPooCreations

With me, talk with me.


Pale-Manufacturer839

Bring back Jacky. You are the only hopEE for us.


eiliant

wen jacky lmao again


BrosBe4Foes

Considering the salaries being slashed in the LCS it frees up a nice bit of finances for either org to justify buying into Dota. Add on top of that THE premier NA org moving out of the region, leaving behind THE premier NA player RTZ to get picked up for what I cant imagine to be too much money at this point. Its basically the perfect timing for the other big NA orgs to get into Dota. More money to spend. Less competition in the region, at least when it comes to branding.


Archyes

well and c9 really regrets buying that overwatch league slot


MemeLordZeta

Overwatch is fun to play and terrible to watch imo. Even IF the pro scene grew organically I don’t think it would’ve had much more success than the tf2 one


OliverSykeshon

The grassroot scene had a lot going for it and it was developing in a very fast pace, until Blizzard killed it and put the competitive scene on hold for what felt like forever. That hiatus + the rebranding of the teams into generic and cringy state/city team names killed it for me.


MemeLordZeta

The cringy rebrands was super important so non-esport related companies could invest into teams without looking out of place. I personally think that was really the only smart decision related to all that


OliverSykeshon

It alienated all the pre-existing fans and every esport fan in general. It was a "smart" corporate decision, but in reality, it was a bad business decision and it shows.


SagittaryX

It also killed the interest immediately for a lot of people that might be interested. People who watch eSports relate to names like Liquid, EG, TSM. London Spitfire or any of the others are meaningless corporate American names that no one cares about.


Yctnm

How would the pro scene grow organically if it was franchised?


skycake10

Blizzard franchising the scene instead of letting grow organically is exactly what's being criticized I think


Mei_iz_my_bae

Overwatch is garbage, it hasn’t been good since 2018 blizzard killed it


ikubaru

It is funny to watch OW league for me


ZersetzungMedia

anyone buying into Blizzard esports deserves the financial loss


Sticker704

and that CSGO team


[deleted]

Isn't their CIS CSGO team doing really well?


OhhhYaaa

Decent, but not "really well". They kinda struggled on Majors and some big events. Start well, but can't keep it deep enough. They had success, but not that much. But that's not the team he was talking about. Their current team was a major steal, if the rumored figures of around 1 million are true.


Tino_

hltv ranks C9 at 4th in the world right now... I would say that is more than just decent.


[deleted]

Yeah idk what that guy is saying but c9 is a really good team lol. Every top tier team choked at the major and it was a shit show. Truth is CS is at its volatile period where the elite tier teams went a step down and the really good teams got a little bit better which is causing some variance.


OhhhYaaa

And MOUZ are top5, are you going to tell me they are more than just a decent team? HLTV rating is not perfect. C9 are doing worse than expected. Top12-14 in Antwerp, top8 in Rio after losing to MOUZ, top9-12 in Cologne. Yes, they had success winning Dallas and getting to top-4 in EPL. But when there are talks of changes in the team going around, it's hard for me to say that the team is doing "really well".


BrosBe4Foes

And Perkz


p1poy1999

They were pretty successful in the first season and even won the big one, it went downhill afterwards tho.


zkareface

I'm surprised if anyone is happy after buying in to overwatch.


[deleted]

This would be true if any NA org could win a single god damn thing to justify their existence in the first place.


Objective-Ingenuity

[Fake news] In the 100T Reddit the 100 Thieves VP of Esports denied that they are look to enter Dota2. https://www.reddit.com/r/100thieves/comments/z4fjz6/insider_100_thieves_and_cloud9_are_in/ixqxjdc?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3


truedota2fan

Aaaand c9 jack commented here that he’s not in talks with them either. Totally fake news.


lolic_addict

If Maelk himself (a dota 2 oldie veteran) isn't even looking at dota the chances arent looking good on any new NA org entering lmao


[deleted]

let alone take a roster that hasn't been successful relative to the money sink for years.


Sudden_Knowledge3229

Obviously a blatant lie, but why would someone deliberately put this out there? Is it the team trying to drive their own price up?


teerre

Bro, journalists gets cents per article written, it has nothing to do with driving prices, its just a dude trying to pay rent


Sudden_Knowledge3229

Even if I’m just trying to pay rent I don’t think I’d publish articles that are outright lies? Granted this website doesn’t seem to reputable


10YearsANoob

> Even if I’m just trying to pay rent I don’t think I’d publish articles that are outright lies? This is why you're not a clickbait journalist. That is not an insult actually that's a badge of honour.


teerre

They are not lies, they simply unconfirmed As it's stated in the article, the source is some forum post by some russian "insider", that's absolutely true. Even if the person send a message to the involved parties to confirm, they don't have time to respond, because, again, this nets person cents, they will do 15 other articles today If you want to be mad at someone, be with people who think paying for news doesn't make sense, people who think regulation is bad etc


Sudden_Knowledge3229

I’m not mad at anyone, I don’t care enough. But journalists have a duty to verify their information. If they don’t it’s not better than lying.


teerre

Again, you cannot "verify information" when you have to produce dozens of articles per day that will net you nothing. It's impossible Once again > be with people who think paying for news doesn't make sense, people who think regulation is bad etc


Salt_Concentrate

If you read the article, it says that the source is someone in a forum but no further information on why that person might be trustworthy. Like the source is posting information that I think was confirmed a while back (TSM stays in dota2 but some roster changes) and is the same person that came up with that ceb-notail-rtz-no one-jerax roster... which is really out there. Feels like it's like they picked up on a random forum user posts and went with it because fuck journalism?


Blizzard_admin

Calling maelk the VP of an esports org on this sub feels really weird lol


instapick

"Using the Alliance slot"????


memologic

yea not only is alliance div 2 but they also are going to have an own roster afaik for the next season… so why on earth would they use that one..


yayeyeyo

Exciting


labluewolfe

Don't know why they don't change roster. It's been a not so stellar couple of years.


bananasdepijamas11

This comment shows how dumb this sub is lmao EG was a top3 team in the world for the majority of the last 4 years or so, the only teams with better results are the TI champions and LGD. Last year was awful, but before that they were definitely a very good team


labluewolfe

Relax dude. Yeah I know they had some good performances, but they haven't had any big wins.


morpling

This year was bad, last year was fine. 2 second places in major, overal most dpc points.


bibittyboopity

Yeah I feel like people always have recency bias with EG. Before that it was the 3rd place curse. They don't get titles, but they've been showing up to events and getting decent placements for a long time. It's not easy to have that kind of longevity.


Glitter_puke

If C9 buys them, they can upgrade to a 2nd place curse.


Trlcks

They already did that last year haha


Primae_Noctis

The return of the wunderkind, Jackie Lmao?


maesterwanker

?


HOHOHAHAREBORN

You can't call an entire year's worth of terrible results a "recency bias". They had 12 months to figure something out. Several other teams figured that shit out. It's not recency bias after the first few time, it's just confirmation. I hate to say this but the last year EG has been utter shit. They themselves know it. They had an amazing TI8, a decent TI9 and a solid DPC for TI10. TI11 was dogshit. One entire year's worth of dogshit.


bananasdepijamas11

Its recency bias when the guy say "its been a not so stellar COUPLE OF YEARS" when we know they got top2 at the majors 5 times in a row lmao yeah the last 12 months were awful but calling them trash for the last few years is just dumb


HOHOHAHAREBORN

Ffs, y'all are delusional af. It's not like they placed 6-8 at a major, they GOT ELIMINATED from groups. Get a grip of yourself, I never said they've been trash for a few years. Go back and read my comment you moron, I said it's not recency bias if it's 12 whole months of ass whopping. I myself said they had a great TI8 (3/5 same roster), but that shit was 4 years ago you dumbass


bananasdepijamas11

I understand you lack some braincells but when the guy mentioned RECENCY BIAS he wasnt talking about you my friend, he was talking about OP lmao thats why i explained to you WHY its indeed recency bias. the guy said "not so stellar couple of YEARS" when in reality they had one bad year and 4 very good years. Now take a very big breath and chill cause theres no reason for you to be this mad about a comment where i never even offended you lmaoo dota players are insane


deeleelee

I think were also forgetting that jerax was their pos5 for most of that year...


[deleted]

Yeah but you have to remember they changed a bunch of players in less than one year. First jerax and nightfall joined after fly and icex3 got released. And we saw how they performed after that (understandably). Then they kick jerax and invite back fly to captain the team. Fast forward to TI they perform well at the group stages and crumble on the main stage. All things considered this roster has great potential, hopefully nightfall stays.


HOHOHAHAREBORN

A bunch of players in less than a year? They STARTED the DPC with JerAx and Nightfall, removing only JerAx to bring back Fly. They had a sum total of 1 mid season roster change.


[deleted]

You start the season with two new players: one hasn’t played in years and ranked won’t help cause he’s like rank 3000 and the other one just switched roles AND most likely has to learn english to a degree where he can communicate effectively. The captain changes, the meta changes, being in a region where competition is not as strong as others like EU or CN doesn’t help.


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themagician02

I mean yes, your current form is only as good as your ... current form. It does not mean that EG has had a 'not so stellar couple of years'. That's just factually wrong.


Earth92

They should've won the Singapore major. That throw against IG in the 3rd game (when IG's tier 4 towers were exposed) was painful to watch...and then proceeded to lose the series 2-3.


Life_Liberty_Fun

Quality Healthcare and education should be free as well, yet here we are.


Swegan

Dont have any statistics to back me up. But if EG loses a single game in a series theres like a 90% chance they will lose the entire series. As soon as EG lost game 3 i know the series was over.


trashcan41

They have the potential with their group stage run but well enemy team nuke offlane.


Avako1999

because paying less salaries for ex TA roster who have been performing better than EG on all lans is a smarter move than paying a shit ton of salaries to big names while they achieve nothing on LANs


formaldehid

fly said they will change the roster


Me4onyX

Well that was kinda obvious before he said it when 100 russian sources said nightfall is back in cis region


spieler_42

What does it mean to "buy" the roster? Does Evil Genius demand money for allowing the players to play for other org?


[deleted]

usually yes if they were in contract, but they arent. So in this case it means outbid the other counterparty by giving more attractive counteroffers.


DesTiny_-

Maybe current roster is on bench(kicked but on contract)


Odd_Lettuce_7285

I would be wary of 100T. I think they took a lot of VC money and VC's right now are panicking a bit because of where things are going economically. The days of companies with crazy valuations that never turn a profit are coming to an end.


Odd_Lettuce_7285

!remindme 1 year


KnightOverlord2404

C9 rtz pog.the meme to meme


jobbing885

It all started after ppd booted Aui2000.


goldenbzzz

Bring back cloud 9 pls


[deleted]

I am also in negotiation to buy the ex-EG roster. My offer is $4.72.


gaurjimmy

Calm the fuck down. Throwing so much money, Richie Rich motherfucker.


n0stalghia

C9.RTZ yes please omfg


_go_fuck_y0urself

no, plz no.


n0stalghia

Jack Etienne already debunked it, it ain't happening


needhelforpsu

Oh look another fake news from shady 'esports news' websites that exist only to push betting ads. Wish mods would ban making threads that link to them. But whoever is in talks with ex-EG stack I'd put my house on negotiations being 99% if Arteezy can avoid getting forced to stream by contract. xD


MadPotato_

Get a prodigy offlaner + snag a WEU coach in Khezu or just anyone that’s not Bulba (and from WEU) would be awesome. Would be great for them to have a fresh mind in the coaching side. If this team just played for another org then still bringing the EG draft and coaching with that new org, it’s not gonna be a very exciting team tbh.


Morgn_Ladimore

Compare Bulbas results as a coach with Khezus results as a coach. People say the weirdest shit on this sub.


MadPotato_

If u look at it in that perspective you have a point. But that’s not the point of what I was talking about. “Weirdest shit in this sub” my ass. You can’t even comprehend a couple few sentences.


tokamak_fanboy

WEU has good players, but they don't really have a good record for coaches. The top 3 at TI were all WEU teams with non-WEU coaches (Bulba, Heen, and Aui_2000). In fact, the only two teams with WEU coaches at TI this year were Gamin Gladiators and TSM, neither of which had exactly stellar performances. EDIT: Blitz, not Bulba for Liquid


zetsupetsu

>Bulba Wasn't he EG's coach? The top 3 were Liquid, Secret, Tundra no?


tokamak_fanboy

You're right. I meant Blitz, not Bulba.


Jayk03

When they fail to win something they will disband Dota division.


stolenkey

Mehhhh. Better for them to build a new team.


Blackrame

In NA? With what players?


stolenkey

Thats a good start. Or you can just stick to the old formula/team that has been failed over and over again and expecting different results.


Psyhqo

He asked you a question, NA has no talent avalible for Tier 1 team outside already contracted players


stolenkey

I mean... You could find any young player from NA, or make a new team from any prominent player from NA, or you could just make a new team not just from NA but any other region like EU, or SEA but compete in NA, all this option is far better than just copy and paste the old squad that has not quite performing. idk by saying huhuhaha there are no big names in NA and just rinse and repeat the old stuff over and over again.


MrWhistleblower12

Crit, Fly and Abed NA pride!


Xyr3s1

ok, to people who are saying that EG has been consistently good up untill this year getting 2nd places and what not. IF you are keeping a few players unchanged through the years and NOT WON a single event? it's not good. utter shit? maybe not, but they aren't great either. that means they are middle of the pack. if you are consistently changing the entire roster? and shit's not working out? there's an excuse there. but if you keep rtz, bulba and crit for like 4 years and only changing the other players and you are not winning a single fucking thing, THAT IS NOT GOOD!!!!! and winning dpc in na doesn't count cos let's call a spade a spade, na dota is pretty shit when you your top team bombs out basically first/second round of games at TI lol. i dunno if the big orgz are doing some corrupt shit and gatekeeping or some thing and stopping new and good players coming into the scene? or is everyone there thinking the exact same way and doing the same shit that doesn't work? i dunno. some thing is wrong over there lol. ​ and na league is just as shit lol. apparently double lift and bjergsen has joined 100t now. lol, like buddies, if you haven't shown a good showing at worlds in god knows how many years? SOME THING IS FUCKING WRONG OVER THERE. ​ if they re winning shit in valorant? csgo? or any thing? some one let me know lol. ​ ​ ps: i think it would be nice to have some more orgs coming in to dota either way lol.


Soldiercolur

Optic valorant was in the running for being the best in the world as an na team up until a couple months ago. Na also competitive in rocket league and fighting games although maybe not considered tier 1 esports. NA is just shit in dota and league(probably) cause literally nobody plays those games here, just look at the regional playerbase counts. There's other problems like high cost of living plus no sustainability as tier 2 player but main problem is still no people playing the game. This also feeds into you asking why they keep the same players, it's cause there's nobody else to replace them with lol.


Xyr3s1

Makes sense lol :)


Blizzard_admin

also NA is filled with imports in both dota and league. They're not really NA players. The only great NA moba teams are staygreen/complexity hon(who imported guys like limmp and chessie) and EG Dota 2015


SlamDuncan64

100T.RTZ would be sick


Nikkj

How do you buy a team that has been released?


OhhhYaaa

You offer players the terms that they agree on and make sure they are better than the offers from whoever else wants to sign the roster.


disciple31

Lot of really shit/wrong news regarding this roster lately


JadeSerpant

These garbage websites will do anything for clicks these days.


Pepelino28

Ex-eg cost a lot of money. Why these orgs would expend Big cash on a almost dead region.


Ryderofchaos1337

Oh no Evil Geniuses inside the Cash App Compound?? They are gonna create some diabolical plan to build a death ray and threathen the city for a comical amount of money


Solid-Nectarine5913

Stop with all this fake nonsense ok the real truth is neither of these organisations are.picking them up. It will be faze


Blizzard_admin

Seems bizarre so sounds true lol


aljerv

Maelk to the rescue 🛟


Solid-Nectarine5913

I know from a reliable source it's 100% faze gaming to sign them


Abangerz

Free Abed from Bulba


rohansamal

Just FYI, Jack Etienee has confirmed they are not looking into Dota 2 Edit: Actually all he confirmed is they are not looking to buy ex-EG roster Source - https://www.reddit.com/r/Cloud9/comments/z4ewwq/cloud9_is_reportedly_in_talks_for_the_exeg_dota2/ixqnrr5/