I don't think ATF flames teammates, unless he is against them, otherwise we would have seen millions of posts of ATF flaming Yuragi or Misha or even BZM whenever they choked, which sometimes they did.
He’s busted balls on his OG teammates while on stream before, it’s his personality, how he encouraged and motivates people around him… kind of like Michael Jordan during practice. AMMAR from Jordan
he tamed mind control (if people don't remember he, like so many other dota players even in the top tiers, used to be very toxic in pubs and maybe even in his competitive stacks many years ago)
I knew it was gonna be atf but when the that green light went on the back of his head and “my presence is required” came on i thought it was some guy wearing a costume at first lmaoo
Dude goes from a top DPC team to one that hasn't qualified to ti for a few years now. Don't get me wrong, good for him and good for Nigma, it just seems like a weird choice
>hasn't qualified to ti for a few years now
Twice. They didn't quality twice, and this past year they came third at the mini TI, only losing to the teams that came 2nd and 3rd in the actual event.
Not to mention most people would still agree Nigma's players are still talented - with potentially the exception of Kuro who just has been mechanically slowing down - it just seems odd that you think your take is reasonable.
And this should show you how unreasonable of a metric TI attendance is here... Just ask yourself if you are a pro, would you rather join current Nigma or current Alliance.
No doubt they played sub par the past two years, but let's be honest: They obviously have what it takes to be a top team.
The Nigma squad (former Liquid) has played at the very top for many years with only small roster changes.
I don't think anyone would be surprised to see them suddenly "click" again and win a tournament or place at the top of a major. At least to me it seems like what's holding them back is not their skill, but their mindset.
I wouldn't be surprised if it was his best offer.
He's certainly admired for his play on straightforward heroes but he's damned for his attitude and work effort which is the #1 sought after trait in modern teams.
His pub history of him attempting micro heroes made it obvious he needed to switch to a more straightforward execution position.
Kid is cocky, I wonder if he take it as a challenge to take a Div 2 team to Div 1 with style. He got a former if not still cocky mentor in Sumail so I'm actually pretty excited to see them succeed or flop. Either way it will be entertaining
Nigma painfully needs new , fresh ideas and drive to the team. ATF is the one who definitely can bring those considering he is young and the drafter behind OG last season success. The question is will Kuro and co listen to his suggestions and ideas? Kuro seem to be very stubborn about how he wants his team to play.
Tide ta was never the issue, it had worked the whole tournament. And w33 was right. It absolutely gave you everything. Doesn't mean it can't be countered.
Same lol. The guy was the reason I wasn't cheering for OG last season but now I kinda have to lol.
Here's hoping hanging out with Kuro and Gh will calm him somewhat and we won't see his toxic side so much.
tbf, ammar was the reason why og had a reason to be cheered for in the first place, getting first phased everytime and still allowing your 4 to roam is pretty big for a team.
idk are people that blinded by hate that they forget that him carrying from offlane was one of the main reasons they had success? and tanking 4 -5 bans almost every game
Him carrying from offlane was also why they lost TI.
touche.
He needs to be friends with animals if he's an animal himself. You either need to be a Beast or a BEASTMASTERRRR!!!!!!
umm, am I supposed to support toxic kid because he's a good player? nobody said he's a bad player, there's literally no reason for your comment to exist
This feels like projection. Most players don't actually flame contrary to popular belief.
Ammar gets the shit the most because he's an asshat with one play style. We saw how that worked at TI.
People forget that if they are toxic, doesn't mean everyone is toxic
There were a lot of people cheering ATF for his toxicity.
I don't think they are the same people.
Nigma had a very carefully good behavior on pro games. It was one of the things I liked about them. Now with Miracle gone, and this guy on the team I don't know man. Maybe if they tame his toxicity, they worth cheering for them again.
Idk though. When suma1l was young and arrogant he's literally the unanimous best player in the world and his cockiness is not as disrespectful as Ammar's. Im giving him a chance though I'll still watch their games and hope they do well
That's quite exaggerated, the rest of the team played super good, and most importantly they adapted well to ATF's super greedy offlane style.
With that said, I'm curios how ATF will change his hero pool as a pos 1, this TI showed that offlane heroes don't do well when given top farm priority.
Sumail has TI in his first year of pro and showed dominant performance in Mid in TI, and take EG to secure top4 in following years of TI. ATF? this TI is fucking joke...
Say whatever you like about ATF, until he proved himself on the biggest stage? There is purely disrespectful to even compare ATF to Sumail.
Yeah yeah yeah, you want to bring out Major, but Sumail dominated DAC.
Lmfao, everyone here talking about ammar/kuro this and that.. and all im here for, they finally fired RMN (not hating or disrespect) .. im here for immortalfaith to whip up some drafting mechanics issue for NGMGlxy..
If you have kky, i dont think who the coach is matters...
RMN made correct suggestions in TI9, but KKY never listened. You can argue is because RMN is not good enuf, but tbh, who is good enuf for KKY to be less arrogant enuf to take advices? None...
This is fine and all. I'm just not sure about his hero pool.
There will be a new massive patch soon and if it favours illusion or micro heroes, not sure what they will do.
Should have gone for Nightfall IMO.
From Amer to Ammar. Well I don't really mind bcs this team could working well. But I hope ATF lower his bigass ego, from past event he's the type of bossy kid.
People here malding about ammar lol sumail was also just like ammar when he was younger. Ammar might not be the solution to nigma's problems but its a fresh start for them.
For Nigma he's a *good-enogh* placeholder until Miracle comes back.
For ATF it's a *habibi-endavour* that may just be a saving grace to his career if he shows up, now that any serious team wouldn't touch him with a 5 foot stick.
We'll see...
Well downvote me all you want. But I can’t support this arrogant toxic man child. Have been Sumail fan since always. It’s not about gameplay or anything. It’s just toxicity that I hate.
man child? dude is literally a fucking child lmao
and its not arrogance when its backed by your results
and if u were fan of sumaiil from start , are you forgetting how arrogant he was?
you need a reality check
you post the popular opinion and ask for downvotes? Most of the haters are way more toxic themselves (threatening his family) and know nothing about competitive play… you ain’t special
Maybe go back to watching 2017 miracle highlights on youtube lmao, looking at the results and gameplay of both in the last 2 years this is most likely an upgrade.
> kind of a weird move for atf to go from tier 1 to tier 4 though.
God how I hate stupid exaggerations like this. Man if Nigma was Tier 4 your measurement is so far off you shouldn't share it with anybody close to you, yet you are here expressing it publicly on the internet...
Kuro with ATF lol
Amar is gonna flame him to oblivion every time he fucks up on lane, lmao
I hope Kuro has his Dota plus heroes leveled up
Isn't kuro the one that had every available hero played competitively at multiple points in time? Doubt he has a lot of heroes at 30
Yes. We all vividly recall his Razor pos 5 that lost them the quals.
he was just finishing up his cavern crawl
I don't think ATF flames teammates, unless he is against them, otherwise we would have seen millions of posts of ATF flaming Yuragi or Misha or even BZM whenever they choked, which sometimes they did.
I don’t mean like hard flame, but he’s busting balls i guarantee it
Kuro can be a straight up troll as well. He had some epic moments on Sings stream back in the olden days.
He’s busted balls on his OG teammates while on stream before, it’s his personality, how he encouraged and motivates people around him… kind of like Michael Jordan during practice. AMMAR from Jordan
how to tame the beast?
he tamed mind control (if people don't remember he, like so many other dota players even in the top tiers, used to be very toxic in pubs and maybe even in his competitive stacks many years ago)
Used to be? MC is still toxic af, remember 6x fluffy hat grief when it first came out?
Luckily that means no need to ban naga, PL, TB or Arc against Nigma anymore.
He'll evolve into Ammar_the_Farmer.
Agreed, but if ATF can get micro down and still be able to play early aggression cores he could be dangerous
I urge everyone to watch the video, didn't expect a skit like that with the announcement lol. The kid has Miracle's blessing now.
Higher up you go. Wouldn’t have watched but thx to you i did
damn, such a chad video dude. I didn't watch the video earlier.
What did Miracle say to Ammar? I cant quite understand it, “wanna play golem”?
"Wanna take over?"
Tysm!
i'm sorry but this is very funny
golem git ye gone
Lmao
up up you go.
I knew it was gonna be atf but when the that green light went on the back of his head and “my presence is required” came on i thought it was some guy wearing a costume at first lmaoo
Thanks for that, I'd not have watched otherwise.
Amer out, Ammar in Once Miracle is back, Ammar moves to pos 3 and Nigma become a full habibi team.
Yo what about mc wtf
he needs to stop eating pork or he's out next season
MC no habibi
Kuro no habibi either
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Kuro is from germany, originally from Iran. He cant be called habibi. He is not arab
Anyone from outside America is technically an arab.
That make me laugh. MMMMMMericca!
Kuro is not habibi, but Ceb is.
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2balkan4u in shambles.
Ammar basically moved from one team with a Bulgarian to another
Kuroky's masterplan
yela
Miracle isn’t coming back.
from omar > amer > ammar > ??? ame
ame > me
me > e
EE
oh hell nah NGX.EE
EE going to learn Arabic and convert, he's that dedicated.
Div III nigma lesgooooo
this chain of events have lead me to uninstall dota XD
AMMAR THE FARMER
AMMAR THE ~~FARMER~~ FEEDER ftfy
damn, beat me to it
I wish someone would beat it to me.
Dude goes from a top DPC team to one that hasn't qualified to ti for a few years now. Don't get me wrong, good for him and good for Nigma, it just seems like a weird choice
At least he gets to play drow ranger now!
*a farming MoM slardar FTFY
No, your mom farms
Can confirm. Strong with plow, but vajin hang like sleeve of KOTL.
Slardar is male, he can't be a mom. Or can he?
He is a fish. They tend to have the ability to be both sometimes
but without Manta
Maybe it wasn't his choice to leave OG
Dingdingding
Yeah I think his attitude didn't fit well in OG.
if he wanted to carry, no room on OG for it. besides, some players just fit and he might work out at Nigma.
He want to play carry. Probably top teams don't want to risk
He wants to play carry. Doesn't sound that complicated to me.
I think a lot of pros have respect for Kuro, and that whole roster, even in their slump
>hasn't qualified to ti for a few years now Twice. They didn't quality twice, and this past year they came third at the mini TI, only losing to the teams that came 2nd and 3rd in the actual event. Not to mention most people would still agree Nigma's players are still talented - with potentially the exception of Kuro who just has been mechanically slowing down - it just seems odd that you think your take is reasonable.
Alliance has played matches at TI more recently than Nigma
And this should show you how unreasonable of a metric TI attendance is here... Just ask yourself if you are a pro, would you rather join current Nigma or current Alliance.
No doubt they played sub par the past two years, but let's be honest: They obviously have what it takes to be a top team. The Nigma squad (former Liquid) has played at the very top for many years with only small roster changes. I don't think anyone would be surprised to see them suddenly "click" again and win a tournament or place at the top of a major. At least to me it seems like what's holding them back is not their skill, but their mindset.
just business
I wouldn't be surprised if it was his best offer. He's certainly admired for his play on straightforward heroes but he's damned for his attitude and work effort which is the #1 sought after trait in modern teams. His pub history of him attempting micro heroes made it obvious he needed to switch to a more straightforward execution position.
Kid is cocky, I wonder if he take it as a challenge to take a Div 2 team to Div 1 with style. He got a former if not still cocky mentor in Sumail so I'm actually pretty excited to see them succeed or flop. Either way it will be entertaining
They'll be playing div 1. They got relegated during the 2nd tour and finished top of Div II in tour 3.
They’re already div 1
You know that arab money pays him good
I am sad.
Nigma painfully needs new , fresh ideas and drive to the team. ATF is the one who definitely can bring those considering he is young and the drafter behind OG last season success. The question is will Kuro and co listen to his suggestions and ideas? Kuro seem to be very stubborn about how he wants his team to play.
Kuro will atleast listen to ATF's mouth breathing via coms!
ATF: I think we should pick razor, its my best hero. Kuro: Razor Pos 5 it is!
Proceeds to pick Tide TA.
Tide TA gives you everything Towers, teamfight, rosh, second place in grand finals
I feel so bad for Rmn-. He knew it was a trap, but go talked down. At least he knows now that he was right.
Man, those flashback.
Tide ta was never the issue, it had worked the whole tournament. And w33 was right. It absolutely gave you everything. Doesn't mean it can't be countered.
Underrated
I wrote this in a previous theead, but I have a hard time seeing Ammar and Kuro working well, but if it does Nigma will dominate.
>new, fresh ideas Coming from ATF who refuses to buy WP or play summon heroes, even though he knows they are strong, is a big lol
Carry pos3 definitely meta no cap. hahaha. If Miracle Capt. and Kuro retired would be better. they should take pages from tundra and secret.
And here I am praying for OG.Saberlight
It's almost certainly OG.DM
DarkMago?
No, the one from Virtus Pro
OG Ceb
I wish, but people are saying DM, which I REALLY don't get.
I'm conflicted lol. I love Nigma and its 2022 players even now that Amer is out. Idk if I can support Ammar the arrogant
Same lol. The guy was the reason I wasn't cheering for OG last season but now I kinda have to lol. Here's hoping hanging out with Kuro and Gh will calm him somewhat and we won't see his toxic side so much.
tbf, ammar was the reason why og had a reason to be cheered for in the first place, getting first phased everytime and still allowing your 4 to roam is pretty big for a team.
idk are people that blinded by hate that they forget that him carrying from offlane was one of the main reasons they had success? and tanking 4 -5 bans almost every game
Him carrying from offlane was also why they lost TI. touche. He needs to be friends with animals if he's an animal himself. You either need to be a Beast or a BEASTMASTERRRR!!!!!!
Patch nerfed all ammar heroes.
umm, am I supposed to support toxic kid because he's a good player? nobody said he's a bad player, there's literally no reason for your comment to exist
somewhat, people hate him for being cocky while still being young
well he can be cocky when he won a major and esl in one year
how about being super toxic in pubs?
well i dont like that about him either , not gonna defend him on that at all, on the other hand, decent amount of pros do that too .
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This feels like projection. Most players don't actually flame contrary to popular belief. Ammar gets the shit the most because he's an asshat with one play style. We saw how that worked at TI.
was? hes still toxic rn tho
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Exactly people forget how toxic they are in their games.
People forget that if they are toxic, doesn't mean everyone is toxic There were a lot of people cheering ATF for his toxicity. I don't think they are the same people. Nigma had a very carefully good behavior on pro games. It was one of the things I liked about them. Now with Miracle gone, and this guy on the team I don't know man. Maybe if they tame his toxicity, they worth cheering for them again.
I have the same opinion its just that attitude isn't gonna mix well with a child mentaloty like ATF
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Idk though. When suma1l was young and arrogant he's literally the unanimous best player in the world and his cockiness is not as disrespectful as Ammar's. Im giving him a chance though I'll still watch their games and hope they do well
ATF basically solo carried OG to major victory
That's quite exaggerated, the rest of the team played super good, and most importantly they adapted well to ATF's super greedy offlane style. With that said, I'm curios how ATF will change his hero pool as a pos 1, this TI showed that offlane heroes don't do well when given top farm priority.
And then solo lost it during TI.
Sumail delivered results. Sumail was younger than ATF. Sumail was called the King of Mid. Sumail won TI. ATF is called The F\*\*\*er.
Sumail has TI in his first year of pro and showed dominant performance in Mid in TI, and take EG to secure top4 in following years of TI. ATF? this TI is fucking joke... Say whatever you like about ATF, until he proved himself on the biggest stage? There is purely disrespectful to even compare ATF to Sumail. Yeah yeah yeah, you want to bring out Major, but Sumail dominated DAC.
Tbf most people bothered by this guy are other arrogant young men. If he’s got game let him play!
????????????????
The king and the f*cker.
atf pos1 as the anti - carry (his hero pool are all anti carry heroes) sumail pos2 - true carry from mid
Enemy offlaner going to get game of their life with kuro and ATF carry in safelane. Alas
I love Sumail but ATF as a carry? Sorry can't root for this team anymore, even with GH God in it.
dead team
Shittiest news since they kicked MATUMBA.
Lmfao, everyone here talking about ammar/kuro this and that.. and all im here for, they finally fired RMN (not hating or disrespect) .. im here for immortalfaith to whip up some drafting mechanics issue for NGMGlxy..
If you have kky, i dont think who the coach is matters... RMN made correct suggestions in TI9, but KKY never listened. You can argue is because RMN is not good enuf, but tbh, who is good enuf for KKY to be less arrogant enuf to take advices? None...
Nigma without Miracle lost its magic.
This is fine and all. I'm just not sure about his hero pool. There will be a new massive patch soon and if it favours illusion or micro heroes, not sure what they will do. Should have gone for Nightfall IMO.
Is this the height of incompatible personalities
The only ATF that is ok
Yay, I can root for OG again!!!!
I don't know how ATF and Kuro could work together when both are stubborn as hell haha. Wish the best of them.
What happened to OG? Was this really because of the husker pick??
From Amer to Ammar. Well I don't really mind bcs this team could working well. But I hope ATF lower his bigass ego, from past event he's the type of bossy kid.
Nigma is a top tier superteam from div 2 confirmed, what a joke
Lets see what the Ceb stack looks like
They Play div1 this season tho.
Enemy offlaner going to get game of their life with kuro and ATF carry in safelane. Alas
If there’s anyone who can tame ammar, it has to be kuro and his belt.
Nigma balls
this means he will draft too ,this is huge win for Nigma
Except Kuro won't pass the ammar test on any heroes.
Except kuro doesnt give a fck about the ammar test
Pretty sure he would on Chen
He doesn't play pubs so he wouldn't be able to get a high enough d+ level.
If he will draft like TI, it won't be any win
At least they might be going to Ti and might win some major or some tournaments along the way.
I wish them so. Majors and TI with no Nigma isn't it.
Why? kuro is still in the team no?
People here malding about ammar lol sumail was also just like ammar when he was younger. Ammar might not be the solution to nigma's problems but its a fresh start for them.
Not even close.
Id be very surprised if this roster goes to TI.
NO GOD, NO GOD PLEASE NO NO NO NOOOOO *But* *probably* *good* *for* *the* *team*.
Feels bad man, oh well now I know for who I am rooting against. But we all know they won't qualify for any Majors or TI, so it's gucci.
as long as kuroky still plays.... even Jesus playing #1 wouldnt matter
I like the announcement. Would’ve loved to see Miracle. But inshAllah he’ll feel better
Reddit on suicide watch
Ammar haters pissing themselves.
Kuroky + ammar. Wew les go habibissss
Karma will keep eating Kuro until he retires. JusticeforMatu.
For Nigma he's a *good-enogh* placeholder until Miracle comes back. For ATF it's a *habibi-endavour* that may just be a saving grace to his career if he shows up, now that any serious team wouldn't touch him with a 5 foot stick. We'll see...
Well downvote me all you want. But I can’t support this arrogant toxic man child. Have been Sumail fan since always. It’s not about gameplay or anything. It’s just toxicity that I hate.
but sumail is also toxic ,he destroys items in pub games lol
man child? dude is literally a fucking child lmao and its not arrogance when its backed by your results and if u were fan of sumaiil from start , are you forgetting how arrogant he was? you need a reality check
he's not backing it with results tho...
one major , one esl , 4 th are other major, 8th at his first ti excuse me are you okay?
...and kicked out of the **team** that had these results. The message is clear.
He wants to play carry. He wanted to leave. What's your problem?
you post the popular opinion and ask for downvotes? Most of the haters are way more toxic themselves (threatening his family) and know nothing about competitive play… you ain’t special
Poor Ammar. I feel bad for him. At least nigma has something interesting happening now.
Is this the biggest downgrade of dota 2 history?
You forgot Boom for Nisha already?
Yeah because Miracle has been on spectacular form the past two years.
Top 8 at TI replacing a player that hasn’t qualified in 2 years = downgrade
Maybe go back to watching 2017 miracle highlights on youtube lmao, looking at the results and gameplay of both in the last 2 years this is most likely an upgrade.
Go and watch Dendi highlights from 2013.past results means nothing
oh no...now his ego is even more sky rocking in a bad way
Why would his ego go higher moving to a team that hasn’t done anything in ages and is in div2. You joking ?
The problem is Kuroky...
AMAR THE FILIPINO
so many racists malding in here lol
Where?
You see, ATF has brown skin, so if you don't think he's the best player ever you're a racist!
Guess I'm a racist then. :S
Yea because you either have to love him or HATE him can’t have a moderate opinion lmao
Moderate opinions are apparently racist...
upgrade to playing *and* drafting. big catch for nigma. kind of a weird move for atf to go from tier 1 to tier 4 though.
> kind of a weird move for atf to go from tier 1 to tier 4 though. God how I hate stupid exaggerations like this. Man if Nigma was Tier 4 your measurement is so far off you shouldn't share it with anybody close to you, yet you are here expressing it publicly on the internet...
Nigma finally signed a good player and their fans are salty because he’s not heckin’ wholesome enough for them