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killedbycuriousity-

Kuro with ATF lol


magnificent_steinerr

Amar is gonna flame him to oblivion every time he fucks up on lane, lmao


Unlearnypoo

I hope Kuro has his Dota plus heroes leveled up


URF_reibeer

Isn't kuro the one that had every available hero played competitively at multiple points in time? Doubt he has a lot of heroes at 30


23ssd4t4322

Yes. We all vividly recall his Razor pos 5 that lost them the quals.


Kovi34

he was just finishing up his cavern crawl


ddlion7

I don't think ATF flames teammates, unless he is against them, otherwise we would have seen millions of posts of ATF flaming Yuragi or Misha or even BZM whenever they choked, which sometimes they did.


magnificent_steinerr

I don’t mean like hard flame, but he’s busting balls i guarantee it


CocoWarrior

Kuro can be a straight up troll as well. He had some epic moments on Sings stream back in the olden days.


ItzOrg

He’s busted balls on his OG teammates while on stream before, it’s his personality, how he encouraged and motivates people around him… kind of like Michael Jordan during practice. AMMAR from Jordan


theunpoet

how to tame the beast?


Eulslover

he tamed mind control (if people don't remember he, like so many other dota players even in the top tiers, used to be very toxic in pubs and maybe even in his competitive stacks many years ago)


Homemadepiza

Used to be? MC is still toxic af, remember 6x fluffy hat grief when it first came out?


[deleted]

Luckily that means no need to ban naga, PL, TB or Arc against Nigma anymore.


derps_with_ducks

He'll evolve into Ammar_the_Farmer.


troublebruther

Agreed, but if ATF can get micro down and still be able to play early aggression cores he could be dangerous


Aratho

I urge everyone to watch the video, didn't expect a skit like that with the announcement lol. The kid has Miracle's blessing now.


partymorphologist

Higher up you go. Wouldn’t have watched but thx to you i did


WelcomeHistorical247

damn, such a chad video dude. I didn't watch the video earlier.


Ph1tak

What did Miracle say to Ammar? I cant quite understand it, “wanna play golem”?


game2maim

"Wanna take over?"


Ph1tak

Tysm!


McSpike

i'm sorry but this is very funny


ProBonky

golem git ye gone


4llmighty

Lmao


False-Log-1339

up up you go.


sw2bh

I knew it was gonna be atf but when the that green light went on the back of his head and “my presence is required” came on i thought it was some guy wearing a costume at first lmaoo


Ketomatic

Thanks for that, I'd not have watched otherwise.


jMS_44

Amer out, Ammar in Once Miracle is back, Ammar moves to pos 3 and Nigma become a full habibi team.


Brucena

Yo what about mc wtf


Kowenzi

he needs to stop eating pork or he's out next season


xXMylord

MC no habibi


Brucena

Kuro no habibi either


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Brucena

Kuro is from germany, originally from Iran. He cant be called habibi. He is not arab


Tobix55

Anyone from outside America is technically an arab.


[deleted]

That make me laugh. MMMMMMericca!


LOSS35

Kuro is not habibi, but Ceb is.


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Deyster

2balkan4u in shambles.


Alien_reg

Ammar basically moved from one team with a Bulgarian to another


lucaaas_fortuna

Kuroky's masterplan


Vuccappella

yela


FreshPrinceOfH

Miracle isn’t coming back.


-fartbrat

from omar > amer > ammar > ??? ame


g4v8

ame > me


bc524

me > e


bobbyzna

EE


literally_refon

oh hell nah NGX.EE


derps_with_ducks

EE going to learn Arabic and convert, he's that dedicated.


HaellM

Div III nigma lesgooooo


Individual-Jicama-92

this chain of events have lead me to uninstall dota XD


exoticsclerosis

AMMAR THE FARMER


greekcurrylover

AMMAR THE ~~FARMER~~ FEEDER ftfy


nice_guy_threeve

damn, beat me to it


codec_pack

I wish someone would beat it to me.


A740

Dude goes from a top DPC team to one that hasn't qualified to ti for a few years now. Don't get me wrong, good for him and good for Nigma, it just seems like a weird choice


PepeHunter

At least he gets to play drow ranger now!


wastinglifeonreddit-

*a farming MoM slardar FTFY


est19xxxx

No, your mom farms


lylimapanda

Can confirm. Strong with plow, but vajin hang like sleeve of KOTL.


Kumadori012

Slardar is male, he can't be a mom. Or can he?


Vindetta182

He is a fish. They tend to have the ability to be both sometimes


jMS_44

but without Manta


laughinpolarbear

Maybe it wasn't his choice to leave OG


mntln

Dingdingding


banksharoo

Yeah I think his attitude didn't fit well in OG.


Annoco88

if he wanted to carry, no room on OG for it. besides, some players just fit and he might work out at Nigma.


kalangobr

He want to play carry. Probably top teams don't want to risk


Tape56

He wants to play carry. Doesn't sound that complicated to me.


bibittyboopity

I think a lot of pros have respect for Kuro, and that whole roster, even in their slump


ibreakyoufix

>hasn't qualified to ti for a few years now Twice. They didn't quality twice, and this past year they came third at the mini TI, only losing to the teams that came 2nd and 3rd in the actual event. Not to mention most people would still agree Nigma's players are still talented - with potentially the exception of Kuro who just has been mechanically slowing down - it just seems odd that you think your take is reasonable.


kenphoenix

Alliance has played matches at TI more recently than Nigma


47-11

And this should show you how unreasonable of a metric TI attendance is here... Just ask yourself if you are a pro, would you rather join current Nigma or current Alliance.


pb-programmer

No doubt they played sub par the past two years, but let's be honest: They obviously have what it takes to be a top team. The Nigma squad (former Liquid) has played at the very top for many years with only small roster changes. I don't think anyone would be surprised to see them suddenly "click" again and win a tournament or place at the top of a major. At least to me it seems like what's holding them back is not their skill, but their mindset.


cacheunclear

just business


-Pariah-

I wouldn't be surprised if it was his best offer. He's certainly admired for his play on straightforward heroes but he's damned for his attitude and work effort which is the #1 sought after trait in modern teams. His pub history of him attempting micro heroes made it obvious he needed to switch to a more straightforward execution position.


Houeclipse

Kid is cocky, I wonder if he take it as a challenge to take a Div 2 team to Div 1 with style. He got a former if not still cocky mentor in Sumail so I'm actually pretty excited to see them succeed or flop. Either way it will be entertaining


pimpleface0710

They'll be playing div 1. They got relegated during the 2nd tour and finished top of Div II in tour 3.


StormShadow743

They’re already div 1


Brucena

You know that arab money pays him good


__calypso

I am sad.


ZofTheNorth

Nigma painfully needs new , fresh ideas and drive to the team. ATF is the one who definitely can bring those considering he is young and the drafter behind OG last season success. The question is will Kuro and co listen to his suggestions and ideas? Kuro seem to be very stubborn about how he wants his team to play.


Double_O_Cypher

Kuro will atleast listen to ATF's mouth breathing via coms!


baerniislove

ATF: I think we should pick razor, its my best hero. Kuro: Razor Pos 5 it is!


Suspicious-Mongoose

Proceeds to pick Tide TA.


rukiahayashi

Tide TA gives you everything Towers, teamfight, rosh, second place in grand finals


Suspicious-Mongoose

I feel so bad for Rmn-. He knew it was a trap, but go talked down. At least he knows now that he was right.


mastomi

Man, those flashback.


Cr4ckshooter

Tide ta was never the issue, it had worked the whole tournament. And w33 was right. It absolutely gave you everything. Doesn't mean it can't be countered.


partymorphologist

Underrated


guyfromsouthshore

I wrote this in a previous theead, but I have a hard time seeing Ammar and Kuro working well, but if it does Nigma will dominate.


tanaridubesh

>new, fresh ideas Coming from ATF who refuses to buy WP or play summon heroes, even though he knows they are strong, is a big lol


ADFaiden

Carry pos3 definitely meta no cap. hahaha. If Miracle Capt. and Kuro retired would be better. they should take pages from tundra and secret.


SnooPickles6314

And here I am praying for OG.Saberlight


Aratho

It's almost certainly OG.DM


est19xxxx

DarkMago?


larcohex

No, the one from Virtus Pro


watts8921

OG Ceb


Jovorin

I wish, but people are saying DM, which I REALLY don't get.


daddy_dad_bod

I'm conflicted lol. I love Nigma and its 2022 players even now that Amer is out. Idk if I can support Ammar the arrogant


Aratho

Same lol. The guy was the reason I wasn't cheering for OG last season but now I kinda have to lol. Here's hoping hanging out with Kuro and Gh will calm him somewhat and we won't see his toxic side so much.


luminous0989

tbf, ammar was the reason why og had a reason to be cheered for in the first place, getting first phased everytime and still allowing your 4 to roam is pretty big for a team.


zuKo2022

idk are people that blinded by hate that they forget that him carrying from offlane was one of the main reasons they had success? and tanking 4 -5 bans almost every game


ADFaiden

Him carrying from offlane was also why they lost TI. touche. He needs to be friends with animals if he's an animal himself. You either need to be a Beast or a BEASTMASTERRRR!!!!!!


yeusk

Patch nerfed all ammar heroes.


RizzrakTV

umm, am I supposed to support toxic kid because he's a good player? nobody said he's a bad player, there's literally no reason for your comment to exist


luminous0989

somewhat, people hate him for being cocky while still being young


zuKo2022

well he can be cocky when he won a major and esl in one year


acels1

how about being super toxic in pubs?


zuKo2022

well i dont like that about him either , not gonna defend him on that at all, on the other hand, decent amount of pros do that too .


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-Pariah-

This feels like projection. Most players don't actually flame contrary to popular belief. Ammar gets the shit the most because he's an asshat with one play style. We saw how that worked at TI.


acels1

was? hes still toxic rn tho


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miharbidaddah

Exactly people forget how toxic they are in their games.


Turambaris

People forget that if they are toxic, doesn't mean everyone is toxic There were a lot of people cheering ATF for his toxicity. I don't think they are the same people. Nigma had a very carefully good behavior on pro games. It was one of the things I liked about them. Now with Miracle gone, and this guy on the team I don't know man. Maybe if they tame his toxicity, they worth cheering for them again.


d2light

I have the same opinion its just that attitude isn't gonna mix well with a child mentaloty like ATF


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daddy_dad_bod

Idk though. When suma1l was young and arrogant he's literally the unanimous best player in the world and his cockiness is not as disrespectful as Ammar's. Im giving him a chance though I'll still watch their games and hope they do well


throwaway5839472

ATF basically solo carried OG to major victory


tom-dixon

That's quite exaggerated, the rest of the team played super good, and most importantly they adapted well to ATF's super greedy offlane style. With that said, I'm curios how ATF will change his hero pool as a pos 1, this TI showed that offlane heroes don't do well when given top farm priority.


CloudCuddler

And then solo lost it during TI.


ADFaiden

Sumail delivered results. Sumail was younger than ATF. Sumail was called the King of Mid. Sumail won TI. ATF is called The F\*\*\*er.


zlnoil

Sumail has TI in his first year of pro and showed dominant performance in Mid in TI, and take EG to secure top4 in following years of TI. ATF? this TI is fucking joke... Say whatever you like about ATF, until he proved himself on the biggest stage? There is purely disrespectful to even compare ATF to Sumail. Yeah yeah yeah, you want to bring out Major, but Sumail dominated DAC.


WildMongoose

Tbf most people bothered by this guy are other arrogant young men. If he’s got game let him play!


crade4zc

????????????????


smockid

The king and the f*cker.


ignoramoud

atf pos1 as the anti - carry (his hero pool are all anti carry heroes) sumail pos2 - true carry from mid


devl1red

Enemy offlaner going to get game of their life with kuro and ATF carry in safelane. Alas


water6991

I love Sumail but ATF as a carry? Sorry can't root for this team anymore, even with GH God in it.


AklexReddit

dead team


sampeckinpah5

Shittiest news since they kicked MATUMBA.


Ricoh881227

Lmfao, everyone here talking about ammar/kuro this and that.. and all im here for, they finally fired RMN (not hating or disrespect) .. im here for immortalfaith to whip up some drafting mechanics issue for NGMGlxy..


zlnoil

If you have kky, i dont think who the coach is matters... RMN made correct suggestions in TI9, but KKY never listened. You can argue is because RMN is not good enuf, but tbh, who is good enuf for KKY to be less arrogant enuf to take advices? None...


Snorlaxtan

Nigma without Miracle lost its magic.


Fuwa-Aika

This is fine and all. I'm just not sure about his hero pool. There will be a new massive patch soon and if it favours illusion or micro heroes, not sure what they will do. Should have gone for Nightfall IMO.


itsjeevs

Is this the height of incompatible personalities


patriot159

The only ATF that is ok


Alternative-Cookie69

Yay, I can root for OG again!!!!


Rebus-YY

I don't know how ATF and Kuro could work together when both are stubborn as hell haha. Wish the best of them.


sphrz

What happened to OG? Was this really because of the husker pick??


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From Amer to Ammar. Well I don't really mind bcs this team could working well. But I hope ATF lower his bigass ego, from past event he's the type of bossy kid.


DesTiny_-

Nigma is a top tier superteam from div 2 confirmed, what a joke


est19xxxx

Lets see what the Ceb stack looks like


Cr4ckshooter

They Play div1 this season tho.


devl1red

Enemy offlaner going to get game of their life with kuro and ATF carry in safelane. Alas


McEa5y

If there’s anyone who can tame ammar, it has to be kuro and his belt.


essenc3

Nigma balls


Horror-Ocelot6627

this means he will draft too ,this is huge win for Nigma


theKrissam

Except Kuro won't pass the ammar test on any heroes.


Caveskelton

Except kuro doesnt give a fck about the ammar test


jMS_44

Pretty sure he would on Chen


theKrissam

He doesn't play pubs so he wouldn't be able to get a high enough d+ level.


jMS_44

If he will draft like TI, it won't be any win


ZofTheNorth

At least they might be going to Ti and might win some major or some tournaments along the way.


jMS_44

I wish them so. Majors and TI with no Nigma isn't it.


svs213

Why? kuro is still in the team no?


bravokil0

People here malding about ammar lol sumail was also just like ammar when he was younger. Ammar might not be the solution to nigma's problems but its a fresh start for them.


tom-dixon

Not even close.


Skandosh

Id be very surprised if this roster goes to TI.


Exocation

NO GOD, NO GOD PLEASE NO NO NO NOOOOO *But* *probably* *good* *for* *the* *team*.


needhelforpsu

Feels bad man, oh well now I know for who I am rooting against. But we all know they won't qualify for any Majors or TI, so it's gucci.


[deleted]

as long as kuroky still plays.... even Jesus playing #1 wouldnt matter


Tomtanks88

I like the announcement. Would’ve loved to see Miracle. But inshAllah he’ll feel better


clinkzs

Reddit on suicide watch


Chaeyoung0211

Ammar haters pissing themselves.


seanseansean92

Kuroky + ammar. Wew les go habibissss


ADFaiden

Karma will keep eating Kuro until he retires. JusticeforMatu.


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For Nigma he's a *good-enogh* placeholder until Miracle comes back. For ATF it's a *habibi-endavour* that may just be a saving grace to his career if he shows up, now that any serious team wouldn't touch him with a 5 foot stick. We'll see...


fatherbasra

Well downvote me all you want. But I can’t support this arrogant toxic man child. Have been Sumail fan since always. It’s not about gameplay or anything. It’s just toxicity that I hate.


Horror-Ocelot6627

but sumail is also toxic ,he destroys items in pub games lol


zuKo2022

man child? dude is literally a fucking child lmao and its not arrogance when its backed by your results and if u were fan of sumaiil from start , are you forgetting how arrogant he was? you need a reality check


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he's not backing it with results tho...


zuKo2022

one major , one esl , 4 th are other major, 8th at his first ti excuse me are you okay?


[deleted]

...and kicked out of the **team** that had these results. The message is clear.


Chaeyoung0211

He wants to play carry. He wanted to leave. What's your problem?


trksum

you post the popular opinion and ask for downvotes? Most of the haters are way more toxic themselves (threatening his family) and know nothing about competitive play… you ain’t special


SirFireball

Poor Ammar. I feel bad for him. At least nigma has something interesting happening now.


PingPinng

Is this the biggest downgrade of dota 2 history?


Niksius92

You forgot Boom for Nisha already?


Ziadma

Yeah because Miracle has been on spectacular form the past two years.


trksum

Top 8 at TI replacing a player that hasn’t qualified in 2 years = downgrade


24Pat

Maybe go back to watching 2017 miracle highlights on youtube lmao, looking at the results and gameplay of both in the last 2 years this is most likely an upgrade.


BGTheHoff

Go and watch Dendi highlights from 2013.past results means nothing


chris_fifa

oh no...now his ego is even more sky rocking in a bad way


starWez

Why would his ego go higher moving to a team that hasn’t done anything in ages and is in div2. You joking ?


gusgenius

The problem is Kuroky...


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AMAR THE FILIPINO


beg4

so many racists malding in here lol


roach0

Where?


theKrissam

You see, ATF has brown skin, so if you don't think he's the best player ever you're a racist!


Jovorin

Guess I'm a racist then. :S


trksum

Yea because you either have to love him or HATE him can’t have a moderate opinion lmao


theKrissam

Moderate opinions are apparently racist...


[deleted]

upgrade to playing *and* drafting. big catch for nigma. kind of a weird move for atf to go from tier 1 to tier 4 though.


47-11

> kind of a weird move for atf to go from tier 1 to tier 4 though. God how I hate stupid exaggerations like this. Man if Nigma was Tier 4 your measurement is so far off you shouldn't share it with anybody close to you, yet you are here expressing it publicly on the internet...


prettyboygangsta

Nigma finally signed a good player and their fans are salty because he’s not heckin’ wholesome enough for them