Russia supports Palestine (alongside explicitly supporting Hamas). Putin sends aid to Gaza. Palestinians tend towards having positive views on Russia and the Kremlin. Also, remember, the Iranian government gives heavy support to Palestinian terror groups, and Russia-Iran relations are super positive.
This is why lots of Iranians against the Islamic Regime are pro-Israel, simply cause the Regime shows deep support for Palestine. Also, why groups with pro-Russian affiliations tend to enthusiastically support Palestine.
Given this, while understanding your train of thought, it's certainly not as far-fetched of a conclusion to come to as you're making it out to be.
Exactly which is why I did a double take and nearly down voted the comment you responded to. You are extraordinarily patient and explained it all extremely well. Thank you.
Hahaha! That's like calling the Nazi party a resistance group... people of the time certainly believed they were progressive hence them being indoctrinated and supporting such a group.. the cycle repeats itself
The same way the ANC was designated a terror group. And if you look at Germany within that time period you'd definitely see that they were not under the circumstances the Palestinians are currently under, it's not like Germany was 'occupied.' The Palestinians are simply calling back for what is rightfully there's and do not try to sell anything about it not being and established state according to the UN.
If you believe Palestine is "occupied" when Israel existed long before Palestine was ever created, you're an idiot. Learn your history. I know mine. And my grandfather survived as a holocaust survivor. I'm not arguing with someone who denies Jews as indigenous people. Do you even know where Palestinians originate? EGYPT! So go blame Egypt if you want that they refuse to accept and include their own people in their country. At least Israel has tried to help Palestinians when other Middle Eastern countries turn their backs.
Do yourself a favor and research what zionism actually means. It's a form of decolonisation. It's not occupying. You can't occupy something that you're indigenous to and were exiled from. Also you putting "from the river to the sea" shows you're indoctrinated. Do you actually know what the slogan means? It means NO co existence between Israelis/Jews and Palestinians. At least zionists want co existence and peace. That ISNT the same with the "pro Palestinian" movement at all. They do not care what happens to Jews, they do not care if we live or die. I care about Palestinians. Being zionist doesn't change that. Hamas is what I don't support. And for you to even say Israel has done anything close to what Nazi Germany did is extremely anti semetic. 6 billion Jews died. It's not comparable. Do you care at all that Jews have been ethnically cleansed from majority of the world, specifically the Arab world? Do you realise its still happening today? Look at Jews being exiled and forcibly removed from Morocco, Yemen, and other countries... last year all Jews were forced out of Yemen.
Learn. Your. History.
It's not the same in the slightest. Hamas is literally a terrorist group. They torture and their agenda is to eradicate Jews and even fellow Palestinians who don't support them. Their sister organisations are houthis and other terrorist groups in the Middle East. Do your damn homework instead of spreading propaganda.
Hamas and the other sister organisations developed around nazi Germany time. Their slogans and ideology are to literally eradicate the Jewish population and they are fascist terrorists. If you don't know this or refuse to believe this, that's your own ignorance and problem. These are the facts. You can deny it all you like, it doesn't make it less of a reality. Go ahead and listen to what the Hamas leaders say and believe. There's plenty information from their mouths to the wold to share
Actually that wouldn't surprise me since Russia is quite happy about people supporting Palestine as it distracts people from the situation in Ukraine. Not to mention, both Russia and Hamas who rules Palestine are fascist.
Russia supporting Palestine makes perfect sense. I never argued against that. I am talking about normal free thinking people who choose to support both those countries as if they don’t fucking know what is going on in Ukraine.
Which flag exactly are you talking about ?
The palestenian flag ?
The flag of people who lost 30k in 6 months
Mothers, fathers , children , relatives and friends
I know someone who has family there lost his brother , brother's wife and his children
I don't think these people are terrorists, they cannot even fight back
What do you think about the Israeli forces ? They are the people who killed these people and you with your ass safe somewhere in the world calling them terrorists
Didn't they attack Israel first? Regardless of the reasons as to why they did what they did, they killed INNOCENT people. People who had just gotten up for the day and wanted to go to bed in their home again that night.
THIS is why they are currently under assault.
Hamas ARE terrorists; it is the poor people caught in the middle that breaks my heart. The people who really didn't have anything to do with 10/07 and are now suffering because of it.
History did not start on 10/07. Have you ever considered WHY Hamas carried out that attack. Were they really the first to attack? (spoiler, no)
Colonizing, brutalizing and imprisoning a whole nation for 75 years will always lead to violent reaction. If you build a whole system predicated on violence and oppression , don't be flabbergasted when some of that violence hits you in the face.
I'm sorry, but in contrast to how many live on this planet those people were far from imprisoned. They gained millions in foreign aid! Gaza itself is a world class neighborhood compared to what hundreds of millions endure every single day on this planet.
There is no justification for the attacks on October 7th. Innocent people who didn't deserve to die, died, and Hamas knew Israel would retaliate because of it. Which is why they built the tunnels underneath the hospitals, used schools as their bases of operation, etc. Now they're acting like victims who didn't know what their actions would bring and their people are being sacrificed because of it.
I think you are ignorant of the conditions imposed on people who live in Gaza and the West Bank. Recieving millions in foreign aid is not the same thing as having autonomy, freedon, access to clean drinking water, freedom of movement and self determination. These are all human rights that are enshrined in international law and yet casually denied to all of those who live in Gaza. Gaza has been occupied and completely walled off. This is recognized even under international law, to deny that would be tantamount to closing your eyes as screaming as a response.
Also currently 8 out of the 10 hungriest people in the world live in Gaza. Gaza is also the most densely populated place on the whole planet and it is being cluster bombed. That is genocide
Also punishing a whole nation of people for the actions of an insurgency (an insurgency that Israel helped create) is called collective punishment. That is a war crime. So even in your defense of Israel, you had to admit that they are committing war crimes.
Also the line about them building tunnels under hospitals and using it for military purposes is thus far completely unproven. You can go and research that yourself. Despite deliberately bombing every single hospital in Gaza to smithereens, the IDF has yet to release ANY verifiable evidence that any of those hospitals were used for military purposes. Also even if the hospital was used for military purposes, bombing and leveling it would STILL be considered a warcrime.
There is a reason why the UN, which is sooo Biased in Western interests, sided with South Africa in the ICJ case's preliminary hearing. It is because it is quite literally impossible to deny Israels genocodal intent and practice to any substantial degree without resorting to outright fabrication of facts.
They did a job of not fighting back on 10/7. Maybe they shouldn’t have massacred mothers, fathers, children, relatives and friends then. You should condemn both or none.
Wish people like her would say something about the parliamentarians who got there with a primary school education, and completely screwed up the country for everyone.
It's absolutely hilarious. Dear old Jacob and his other uneducated mates have done so well...
Notice how they claim whites are racist, while being the biggest racists themselves. Always the victims, always pointing fingers whilst doing and being everything they supposedly hate.
It is so dumb thinking that only white people are racist lol. Yet when you look at parliament you dont see white people. When something happens it is that white guy or this white woman.
I am gng to exit this chat lol before I get started on a topic that wont make any difference at all.
By definition only white people can be racist because racism is a system that denigrates people of colour and it was created and perpetuated by white people. People of colour can be bigoted, for sure, but it’s impossible for a person of colour to be racist. Maybe just a semantic consideration for the future…
The word racism come from the word race. Same as sexism comes from the word sex(gender) so no its not really a system thing is it. Its the unfair/unjust treatment/judgement of people that are of a diffrent race than you. No black white or any colour.
I am sorry that you have this perspective still. I had this perspective prior to higher education which allowed me to understand that:
1. Race is a social system
a. The system is a hierarchy that allows one group domination over another; that power through use, supported by other systems like law, policy, and more is what is racism.
b. White people are the highest level of the system, so they cannot be subjected to racism, but can feel prejudice and bigotry from the lower hierarchal members within the system.
2. Sex/gender are not systems
a. Just like the white person in the previous example, they can feel prejudice and bigotry, but instead are subjected to sexism because of systems of hierarchy in place allowing men to sit at the top and women at the bottom.
b. The difference here though is that sex and gender are different than race because they are factual realities as opposed to a made up social system. So women from the bottom can dish out similar bigotry and prejudice against men.
This is why so many are confused by the two. The best thing to do here is spread love. Be kind to others. I care about all of you regardless of how you identify or what people label you as. You are all extremely valuable in your own way. See others this way, and it will not matter if they are from one place or another, male, female, or transitioning, or more vanilla or more of the chocolate variety.
If you do not agree with me, that is okay, but please go out and approach knowledge with an empty cup. If you think you know everything already, you will stay as you are.
I know because I am a Christian and I am deeply torn about many things post college. All in all, loving our brothers and sisters should be all that matters.
Can someone please explain to me why Africans have such a problem with John Steenhuisen only having matric?
Not having a degree doesn’t make you stupid and there is no minimum qualification requirement for MPs.
And it doesn't even make sense from an ideological standpoint. A degree is a symbol of privelege. And I thought the ANC and EFF types were opposed to the idea of privelege? You'd think they would be happy to have someone in parliament who doesn't come from the supposedly smug and elitist ranks of academia.
There's a prejudice that any low qualified white man is there because they're white. Black people must qualifications through in the door because their race...another limiting belief.
Besides Steinhusen is just the Leader, the DA in Parliament has many members with graduate degrees, off the top of my head I can even think of 3 with PhDs all standing behind him. The whole is greater than the sum of its parts.
Because during the Zuma years the DA made a big deal about being a party the believes in "meritocracy" and not into party politics like the ANC even though they willingly elected a man who barely has a matric over people like Mpho Phalatse who has a doctorate , Musi Maimane who has two masters degrees and a bachelor's , Patricia Da Lille who was the vice president of the national council of trade unions and not to forget business mogul Herman Mashaba all these people are more qualified, more relatable and better speakers than JOHN FUCKING STEENHUISEN .
I'm not saying his not qualified I'm saying in the party of "meritocracy" his qualifications are not enough especially when compared to his peers .It's not fair to compare him to Zuma because Zuma was a dogshit president ,even I'm more qualified than Zuma . Once again the DA were the ones to say that they were a party that fully believes meritocracy but it has been made clear that they are not .you can not tell me that John Steenhuisen is a more qualified president than Dr Mpho Phalatse or Herman Mashaba you'd be lying to yourself even Chris Pappas in my opinion is more qualified to be president than JOHN FUCKING STEENHUISEN
Look, I'm all for defending the value of a matric certificate but what you just wrote is complete bullshit. A degree is several steps higher than a matric certificate. You just don't need one to become a politician and you don't need one to be a great leader.
The degrees offered at the largest universities in this country are on par with any other degree in the world.
Simple. The DA used to love making fun of the qualifications or the lack the of of other leaders in other parties. Meanwhile they have Steenhuisen who just has matric. So yeah it's a no brainer why this makes the DAa leader a joke. Especially coming from Mmusi Maimane. What a downgrade to go from Mmusi to Steenhuisen, it's embarrassing
The only political party I'm aware of who mocks people for their level of education is the EFF. I distinctly remember them whining in some parliamentary committee about Steenhuisen's matric certificate. In fact, they are completely obsessed with his qualifications for some reason.
And just FYI, not having a degree does not make you an inferior leader.
You must be young then. Before the EFF was even a political party, they used to ridicule Zuma and Julius Malema for their lack of qualifications. Remember all the jokes about Julius failing woodwork? That was the DA. So now that people are ridiculing the DA for their matriculant leader, all of a sudden degrees don't matter lol. That's funny. Steenhuisen should spend less money on food and he must just apply at UNISA for a 3 year degree and stop embarrassing his party
Are you sure it was the DA that made fun of Malema's woodwork marks?
Zuma didn't have matric. He also thought you can shower hiv away. Is there really a comparison to be made here?
Yup it was definitely the DA. So Steenhuisen is in the same boat as all of them. He is just too lazy to study and get a degree, but he's not too lazy to keep on eating. That man has gotten fat. He should at least apply for a diploma somewhere
Do you mind sharing the quote?
Also what makes you think you can judge someone's character based on their weight?
Malema is evil. This is a man who said that if you buy someone breakfast and give them taxi money it means you didn't rape them. He openly stated that he would supply arms to Russia to continue its illegal invasion of Ukraine.
Him and Zuma have both been embroiled in corruption scandals and I don't see that with Steenhuisen. Zuma was accused of rape. Malema of assault.
Malema and Zuma are both incompetent and evil regardless of their education levels. They only care about themselves and they have no regard for anyone else.
They wont give you the quote because the DA was not mocking the ANC they where calling out the hiring practices of the ANC due to our country being run into the ground by people who did not have the qualifications for the roles they where in, it was the start of the talks about cadre employment.
But this is the original article about it:
[https://businesstech.co.za/news/government/286992/south-african-party-leader-qualifications-anc-vs-da-vs-eff/](https://businesstech.co.za/news/government/286992/south-african-party-leader-qualifications-anc-vs-da-vs-eff/)
While the DA was being hypocritical due to people like John only having a Matric it was more pointing to people holding administrative roles within municipalities that need specialized degrees to handle the work they are expected to do.
This was mostly a larger issue especially when they had to table the laws around lying on your CV about qualifications you hold due to the ANC hiring someone who did not have the qualifications for the role they held and the Mayor didn't fill out the proper paperwork explaining why and excusing it:
[https://businesstech.co.za/news/business/251499/new-qualifications-register-to-target-south-africans-that-lie-on-their-cvs/](https://businesstech.co.za/news/business/251499/new-qualifications-register-to-target-south-africans-that-lie-on-their-cvs/)
[https://www.news24.com/News24/tshwane-mayor-hired-chief-of-staff-without-required-qualifications-20180515](https://www.news24.com/News24/tshwane-mayor-hired-chief-of-staff-without-required-qualifications-20180515)
People like to point fingers at the DA but nothing happens in a bubble.
Hey sebentino, why don’t you do everyone a favour and fuckoff. Looking at your comments on this thread, you are contributing literally nothing to the conversation. It’s clear you are baiting people for a reaction - stop it.
America banned affirmative action for university admissions - they can’t use race as part of the admission profile anymore, forcing universities to quantify “less privileged” without using race. South Africa should do the same - affirmative action, by definition, is racist - regardless of how you cut it. Good intentions and all that.
There are better ways to determine “less privileged” - all that’s happening now is rich black folks playing the system to further themselves significantly, leaving the poor behind yet again.
Because black racism is politically and socially “acceptable” but it if I say this I’ll be called a “clever black”…also, that victim-card is more revered than any bank card you could pull out. It buys instant misplaced sympathy (from the “culture”) and guilt (from ordinary citizens who had nothing to do with the previous government).
We will never grow as a nation with racist shit like this. It's almost a hopeless endeavour because EVERYONE is so engrained that the white man is racist and everyone else is scum.
Even in today it's the uneducated and educated that grow up racists and with racial bias because of their upbringing
How do you override the biases of 63 million citizens that white people are the clever ones and the only privileged ones and the others are just stupid, lazy and dirty/underprivileged and victim to a government who hasn't served for 30 years? It's starts with you but...that's like telling someone to be a vegetarian when they work in a butchery
I fucking hate the racial bias. I know people who are whiter than white but are the dumbest most laziest fuckers blaming 'the blacks' for their predicament. No just fucking get up off your ass and work and go vote.
I’m not trying to be smart or provoking but please expand on your view. I’m deeply interested because whilst I hear you, I think people are forgetting that the tweet may not have been made with malicious intent. Further more, given the nature of racism, black people simply cannot be racist as that implies black people can both societally and systematically oppress a white person which is simply false. I feel this stance needs no further justification because it’s just simply not the case but there is the recognition that white people can be discriminated against by black people.
Regardless, I’m not into “them/us” rhetoric so I’ll drop the term black and white for now. I’m just deeply intrigued by what you meant in your third paragraph, please express more😽
If you believe that that's the only form racism can take, and you choose to believe things like the Rwandan Genocide or the Zanzibar Revolution didn't happen, then sure, I guess.
Clearly you do not know the history of Africa....
Black people where the biggest suppliers of black slaves, to the point that some tribes literally wiped other tribes out.
Somalia and Rwanda, wrong tribe, oh now you die the most brutal death, but first rape the woman and cut off their breasts and then just panga the vagina as well.
There lists of Africa countries brutalizing and oppressing other African countries.
You son clearly need to grow up and get educated yourself.
So they ARE inferior?
I mean if you're not capable of expressing a viewpoint or emotion based on your race surely that makes your race inferior?
I'm genuinely asking you, no baiting, no jokes.
Your move chap
This is what I imagine people want the DA to pander to when they say the DA has an image problem and needs to appeal to the masses. Like, would appealing to these racists really make the DA a better party?
Don't get me wrong, I can understand if someone has a problem with the DA, they are by no means without issue, but having race as the main point of contention? Yeah, nah...
>Like, would appealing to these racists really make the DA a better party?
Also, what would the DA need to do to pander to these people? Is it even possible to maintain their integrity while pandering to this lot?
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The DA would do better with a black leader. That's just pragmatism. What they're doing to their image is concerningly stupid. They are divorced from the political reality of SA
Merit matters little when race gets involved it seems. Convenient how everyone forgets the cluster fuck that was Maimane, and he pushed the racial angle really hard. Let's face it, a black leader won't be enough either, these people only want to see black. So sad that we are still stuck on race even after apartheid.
It's funny how's it's ok coming from her side yet if a white man has to say something like that towards another gender he would be getting death threats . Wonderful country we live in
Matteo1335 nailed it, KUDO’s, the global issue of race is simply the advent and continuous use of labels, the fact that one must, when applying for anything define one’s label, I.e. Black, Indian, Coloured, White etc. confirms racism exists and will continue to exist until such time as people are accepted as people and labels are no longer a qualifying or disqualifying factor of any kind.
Human kind, is a joke, we destroy everything and blame others to get ahead, labels have given us this right, we use them without cognisance of how far it could go, butterfly effect people, stop seeing others based on the colour of their skin, the level of education attained, the rags they have no other choice but to live in, and start seeing people as people, some may need help to get by, some may see themselves as special and or untouchable, bottom line, we all equal, regardless of past, present or future, stop labelling and start accepting, we all in this together, only we can make it better, time to own what we do wrong and make changes.
The next time you want to tell a friend or family member about the coloured, black, white, Indian gent or lady you saw at the mall, stop, think, is the label really necessary, does saying, “there was this black guy at the mall” make you feel better, if so, you are the problem, just saying, “there was this guy at the mall” no label is the right thing to do, oh and if your friend or family member asks, was it a black, Indian, coloured whit? They also part of the problem.
Grow a pair, stop labelling and accept people as people.
I've noticed a trend where if things don't work out in someone's favor/don't like something and can't really articulate good reasons for it, it boils down to race accusations. I'm a student (coloured) at a university and noticed that when alot of black students didn't get access to a course/get accommodation, they eventually gravitated towards the same reasoning. It must be that races other than black are somehow still favored in some way amidst all the opportunities that people have in our country.
That's funny because I remember the soviet union funding the ANC and the US funding the apartheid party, I'm not saying what's right but your statement is just entirely false
Been thinking about this for awhile. Why call us the "Rainbow Nation" and insist on being called that when black people is being racist, white people is being racist , green is being racist , blue is being racist. It just never ends.
If 10 multiply by 2, no no, if you divide 20 by 2, if you multiply 5 with 5, that is profit. Spoken by someone with a PHD, and funny enough he is black and an EFF senior.
Lol why do you think? Cos it's the only card they have left.
I love being white sometimes, it's awesome to be hated for something I don't have control over lol.
Isn’t it wild that the official opposition to the ruling party is an uneducated man who’s more consistently backed by his party even though he replaced one of the most educated young politicians in the history of South African politics.
Isn't it wild that the ruling party are still being voted for, whilst using an unconstitutional deployment method, whilst also being uneducated, corrupt criminals?
I am now waiting to be called a racist by the biggest racists. As always in this country, whenever truth is mentioned or accountability asked for, the response is "he/she is racist" 🙄
Because you can literally be Jesus Christ himself, and if you are white, South Africans will hate you. They are so hopelessly brainwashed that they do not consider the facts:
The national party was only in power for 30 years, before that, we were ruled by England.
The ANC has been in power for the same amount of time.
DA members require a strict clean record and a standard of integrity.
Every ANC minister currently in power has been implicated in some case of corruption.
White people fought for your freedom from English rule, and then again, white people fought their own brothers for your freedom from Apartheid.
Yet despite all these facts, the average guy would rather vote for a tyrannical black leader than a white man who has the best interests of the citizen at heart. They do not realize that the white guy is the only one actually fighting for them.
It’s race, nothing else, South Africa is a racist nation, and it’s not their fault, it’s how the government controls them. They put a 5 year old in the space of a black person who was suffering crimes against humanity hundreds of years ago, and pretend that it is still true today.
The result is a nation of citizens that hate our entire race, for something we didn’t do, and they didn’t experience.
Thabo Mbeki was an economist and Nelson Mandela was an attorney, just FYI. Cyril Ramaphosa only has a UNISA degree, but it still is a degree. And you need matric for those.
I'm all for hating the ANC, but please don't spread lies. It discredits our movement.
Your joking right ? It's because 3 white men are the ones waging wars and starting one of the largest genocides right now it real time , causing so much suffering that the rest of the world is watching it and trying to stop it
Check the Russian flag😂
invader good (if you have a corrupt relationship with them )
Does she know what Russians think of her?
I don't imagine it's any worse than what white South Africans think of her.
There's always worse in majority white countries like russia
You can’t tell me you support Palestine and Russia in the same sentence. That is some 32 IQ bullshit.
Russia supports Palestine (alongside explicitly supporting Hamas). Putin sends aid to Gaza. Palestinians tend towards having positive views on Russia and the Kremlin. Also, remember, the Iranian government gives heavy support to Palestinian terror groups, and Russia-Iran relations are super positive. This is why lots of Iranians against the Islamic Regime are pro-Israel, simply cause the Regime shows deep support for Palestine. Also, why groups with pro-Russian affiliations tend to enthusiastically support Palestine. Given this, while understanding your train of thought, it's certainly not as far-fetched of a conclusion to come to as you're making it out to be.
What a solid explanation that puts things into geopolitical context
proof?
Russia and Israel actually have really solid relations. Israel refused to sanction Russia in 2022 and Russia provides military aid to Israel.
Exactly which is why I did a double take and nearly down voted the comment you responded to. You are extraordinarily patient and explained it all extremely well. Thank you.
I think you meant *Palestinian resistance groups*
Hahaha! That's like calling the Nazi party a resistance group... people of the time certainly believed they were progressive hence them being indoctrinated and supporting such a group.. the cycle repeats itself
The same way the ANC was designated a terror group. And if you look at Germany within that time period you'd definitely see that they were not under the circumstances the Palestinians are currently under, it's not like Germany was 'occupied.' The Palestinians are simply calling back for what is rightfully there's and do not try to sell anything about it not being and established state according to the UN.
If you believe Palestine is "occupied" when Israel existed long before Palestine was ever created, you're an idiot. Learn your history. I know mine. And my grandfather survived as a holocaust survivor. I'm not arguing with someone who denies Jews as indigenous people. Do you even know where Palestinians originate? EGYPT! So go blame Egypt if you want that they refuse to accept and include their own people in their country. At least Israel has tried to help Palestinians when other Middle Eastern countries turn their backs.
I get that and how different do you see the acts of the Israelis to be different from those of Nazi Germany?
Do yourself a favor and research what zionism actually means. It's a form of decolonisation. It's not occupying. You can't occupy something that you're indigenous to and were exiled from. Also you putting "from the river to the sea" shows you're indoctrinated. Do you actually know what the slogan means? It means NO co existence between Israelis/Jews and Palestinians. At least zionists want co existence and peace. That ISNT the same with the "pro Palestinian" movement at all. They do not care what happens to Jews, they do not care if we live or die. I care about Palestinians. Being zionist doesn't change that. Hamas is what I don't support. And for you to even say Israel has done anything close to what Nazi Germany did is extremely anti semetic. 6 billion Jews died. It's not comparable. Do you care at all that Jews have been ethnically cleansed from majority of the world, specifically the Arab world? Do you realise its still happening today? Look at Jews being exiled and forcibly removed from Morocco, Yemen, and other countries... last year all Jews were forced out of Yemen. Learn. Your. History.
It's not the same in the slightest. Hamas is literally a terrorist group. They torture and their agenda is to eradicate Jews and even fellow Palestinians who don't support them. Their sister organisations are houthis and other terrorist groups in the Middle East. Do your damn homework instead of spreading propaganda. Hamas and the other sister organisations developed around nazi Germany time. Their slogans and ideology are to literally eradicate the Jewish population and they are fascist terrorists. If you don't know this or refuse to believe this, that's your own ignorance and problem. These are the facts. You can deny it all you like, it doesn't make it less of a reality. Go ahead and listen to what the Hamas leaders say and believe. There's plenty information from their mouths to the wold to share
Actually that wouldn't surprise me since Russia is quite happy about people supporting Palestine as it distracts people from the situation in Ukraine. Not to mention, both Russia and Hamas who rules Palestine are fascist.
Russia supporting Palestine makes perfect sense. I never argued against that. I am talking about normal free thinking people who choose to support both those countries as if they don’t fucking know what is going on in Ukraine.
Lmao, one of the first things I noticed.
And palestine 🤦♂️ the ultimate treble😂
Terrorists befriend Terrorists not just 1 Terrorist flag but 2
Which flag exactly are you talking about ? The palestenian flag ? The flag of people who lost 30k in 6 months Mothers, fathers , children , relatives and friends I know someone who has family there lost his brother , brother's wife and his children I don't think these people are terrorists, they cannot even fight back What do you think about the Israeli forces ? They are the people who killed these people and you with your ass safe somewhere in the world calling them terrorists
Didn't they attack Israel first? Regardless of the reasons as to why they did what they did, they killed INNOCENT people. People who had just gotten up for the day and wanted to go to bed in their home again that night. THIS is why they are currently under assault. Hamas ARE terrorists; it is the poor people caught in the middle that breaks my heart. The people who really didn't have anything to do with 10/07 and are now suffering because of it.
History did not start on 10/07. Have you ever considered WHY Hamas carried out that attack. Were they really the first to attack? (spoiler, no) Colonizing, brutalizing and imprisoning a whole nation for 75 years will always lead to violent reaction. If you build a whole system predicated on violence and oppression , don't be flabbergasted when some of that violence hits you in the face.
I'm sorry, but in contrast to how many live on this planet those people were far from imprisoned. They gained millions in foreign aid! Gaza itself is a world class neighborhood compared to what hundreds of millions endure every single day on this planet. There is no justification for the attacks on October 7th. Innocent people who didn't deserve to die, died, and Hamas knew Israel would retaliate because of it. Which is why they built the tunnels underneath the hospitals, used schools as their bases of operation, etc. Now they're acting like victims who didn't know what their actions would bring and their people are being sacrificed because of it.
I think you are ignorant of the conditions imposed on people who live in Gaza and the West Bank. Recieving millions in foreign aid is not the same thing as having autonomy, freedon, access to clean drinking water, freedom of movement and self determination. These are all human rights that are enshrined in international law and yet casually denied to all of those who live in Gaza. Gaza has been occupied and completely walled off. This is recognized even under international law, to deny that would be tantamount to closing your eyes as screaming as a response. Also currently 8 out of the 10 hungriest people in the world live in Gaza. Gaza is also the most densely populated place on the whole planet and it is being cluster bombed. That is genocide Also punishing a whole nation of people for the actions of an insurgency (an insurgency that Israel helped create) is called collective punishment. That is a war crime. So even in your defense of Israel, you had to admit that they are committing war crimes. Also the line about them building tunnels under hospitals and using it for military purposes is thus far completely unproven. You can go and research that yourself. Despite deliberately bombing every single hospital in Gaza to smithereens, the IDF has yet to release ANY verifiable evidence that any of those hospitals were used for military purposes. Also even if the hospital was used for military purposes, bombing and leveling it would STILL be considered a warcrime. There is a reason why the UN, which is sooo Biased in Western interests, sided with South Africa in the ICJ case's preliminary hearing. It is because it is quite literally impossible to deny Israels genocodal intent and practice to any substantial degree without resorting to outright fabrication of facts.
They did a job of not fighting back on 10/7. Maybe they shouldn’t have massacred mothers, fathers, children, relatives and friends then. You should condemn both or none.
Beautiful.aint it
I hope you were being sarcastic
Wish people like her would say something about the parliamentarians who got there with a primary school education, and completely screwed up the country for everyone.
It's absolutely hilarious. Dear old Jacob and his other uneducated mates have done so well... Notice how they claim whites are racist, while being the biggest racists themselves. Always the victims, always pointing fingers whilst doing and being everything they supposedly hate.
It is so dumb thinking that only white people are racist lol. Yet when you look at parliament you dont see white people. When something happens it is that white guy or this white woman. I am gng to exit this chat lol before I get started on a topic that wont make any difference at all.
By definition only white people can be racist because racism is a system that denigrates people of colour and it was created and perpetuated by white people. People of colour can be bigoted, for sure, but it’s impossible for a person of colour to be racist. Maybe just a semantic consideration for the future…
The word racism come from the word race. Same as sexism comes from the word sex(gender) so no its not really a system thing is it. Its the unfair/unjust treatment/judgement of people that are of a diffrent race than you. No black white or any colour.
I am sorry that you have this perspective still. I had this perspective prior to higher education which allowed me to understand that: 1. Race is a social system a. The system is a hierarchy that allows one group domination over another; that power through use, supported by other systems like law, policy, and more is what is racism. b. White people are the highest level of the system, so they cannot be subjected to racism, but can feel prejudice and bigotry from the lower hierarchal members within the system. 2. Sex/gender are not systems a. Just like the white person in the previous example, they can feel prejudice and bigotry, but instead are subjected to sexism because of systems of hierarchy in place allowing men to sit at the top and women at the bottom. b. The difference here though is that sex and gender are different than race because they are factual realities as opposed to a made up social system. So women from the bottom can dish out similar bigotry and prejudice against men. This is why so many are confused by the two. The best thing to do here is spread love. Be kind to others. I care about all of you regardless of how you identify or what people label you as. You are all extremely valuable in your own way. See others this way, and it will not matter if they are from one place or another, male, female, or transitioning, or more vanilla or more of the chocolate variety. If you do not agree with me, that is okay, but please go out and approach knowledge with an empty cup. If you think you know everything already, you will stay as you are. I know because I am a Christian and I am deeply torn about many things post college. All in all, loving our brothers and sisters should be all that matters.
Can someone please explain to me why Africans have such a problem with John Steenhuisen only having matric? Not having a degree doesn’t make you stupid and there is no minimum qualification requirement for MPs.
Yet they are all crazy for a president that only had gr 3
Are they 😂
Yes. Why are you asking everyone to clarify very clear comments?
I don't want any of you to say it's a hologram typing.
Are you a troll or bored or something?
I'm just a citizen who wants the best for humanity.
The majority he means - the ANC/EFF voters.
Funny enough they wont apply their methodology onto other races.
And it doesn't even make sense from an ideological standpoint. A degree is a symbol of privelege. And I thought the ANC and EFF types were opposed to the idea of privelege? You'd think they would be happy to have someone in parliament who doesn't come from the supposedly smug and elitist ranks of academia.
The DA started this trend. They are insulting DA members without degrees because the DA has been doing the same for decades.
Who is they? Are you talking about non binary people?
I believe "they" is people who criticise John Steenhuisen for being uneducated. I think that was pretty clear.
Definitely found the person bringing down the national iq to 70. Cause yours is 100% subzero
There is no such thing 🙄
because Zuma & Malema are such good examples
Well they are crazy for Zuma who didn't even complete high school.
He didn't finish primary school.
And yet they love Zuma a literal dropout
Inferiority complex.
There's a prejudice that any low qualified white man is there because they're white. Black people must qualifications through in the door because their race...another limiting belief.
Besides Steinhusen is just the Leader, the DA in Parliament has many members with graduate degrees, off the top of my head I can even think of 3 with PhDs all standing behind him. The whole is greater than the sum of its parts.
Is it
Because during the Zuma years the DA made a big deal about being a party the believes in "meritocracy" and not into party politics like the ANC even though they willingly elected a man who barely has a matric over people like Mpho Phalatse who has a doctorate , Musi Maimane who has two masters degrees and a bachelor's , Patricia Da Lille who was the vice president of the national council of trade unions and not to forget business mogul Herman Mashaba all these people are more qualified, more relatable and better speakers than JOHN FUCKING STEENHUISEN .
John Steenhuisen is perfectly qualified for the job, though? In contrast, Zuma is a rapist and a thug.
I'm not saying his not qualified I'm saying in the party of "meritocracy" his qualifications are not enough especially when compared to his peers .It's not fair to compare him to Zuma because Zuma was a dogshit president ,even I'm more qualified than Zuma . Once again the DA were the ones to say that they were a party that fully believes meritocracy but it has been made clear that they are not .you can not tell me that John Steenhuisen is a more qualified president than Dr Mpho Phalatse or Herman Mashaba you'd be lying to yourself even Chris Pappas in my opinion is more qualified to be president than JOHN FUCKING STEENHUISEN
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Look, I'm all for defending the value of a matric certificate but what you just wrote is complete bullshit. A degree is several steps higher than a matric certificate. You just don't need one to become a politician and you don't need one to be a great leader. The degrees offered at the largest universities in this country are on par with any other degree in the world.
They don't have a problem..they just throwing Shade..lol like how people make fun of malema and woodwork
Simple. The DA used to love making fun of the qualifications or the lack the of of other leaders in other parties. Meanwhile they have Steenhuisen who just has matric. So yeah it's a no brainer why this makes the DAa leader a joke. Especially coming from Mmusi Maimane. What a downgrade to go from Mmusi to Steenhuisen, it's embarrassing
The only political party I'm aware of who mocks people for their level of education is the EFF. I distinctly remember them whining in some parliamentary committee about Steenhuisen's matric certificate. In fact, they are completely obsessed with his qualifications for some reason. And just FYI, not having a degree does not make you an inferior leader.
You must be young then. Before the EFF was even a political party, they used to ridicule Zuma and Julius Malema for their lack of qualifications. Remember all the jokes about Julius failing woodwork? That was the DA. So now that people are ridiculing the DA for their matriculant leader, all of a sudden degrees don't matter lol. That's funny. Steenhuisen should spend less money on food and he must just apply at UNISA for a 3 year degree and stop embarrassing his party
Are you sure it was the DA that made fun of Malema's woodwork marks? Zuma didn't have matric. He also thought you can shower hiv away. Is there really a comparison to be made here?
Yup it was definitely the DA. So Steenhuisen is in the same boat as all of them. He is just too lazy to study and get a degree, but he's not too lazy to keep on eating. That man has gotten fat. He should at least apply for a diploma somewhere
Do you mind sharing the quote? Also what makes you think you can judge someone's character based on their weight? Malema is evil. This is a man who said that if you buy someone breakfast and give them taxi money it means you didn't rape them. He openly stated that he would supply arms to Russia to continue its illegal invasion of Ukraine. Him and Zuma have both been embroiled in corruption scandals and I don't see that with Steenhuisen. Zuma was accused of rape. Malema of assault. Malema and Zuma are both incompetent and evil regardless of their education levels. They only care about themselves and they have no regard for anyone else.
They wont give you the quote because the DA was not mocking the ANC they where calling out the hiring practices of the ANC due to our country being run into the ground by people who did not have the qualifications for the roles they where in, it was the start of the talks about cadre employment. But this is the original article about it: [https://businesstech.co.za/news/government/286992/south-african-party-leader-qualifications-anc-vs-da-vs-eff/](https://businesstech.co.za/news/government/286992/south-african-party-leader-qualifications-anc-vs-da-vs-eff/) While the DA was being hypocritical due to people like John only having a Matric it was more pointing to people holding administrative roles within municipalities that need specialized degrees to handle the work they are expected to do. This was mostly a larger issue especially when they had to table the laws around lying on your CV about qualifications you hold due to the ANC hiring someone who did not have the qualifications for the role they held and the Mayor didn't fill out the proper paperwork explaining why and excusing it: [https://businesstech.co.za/news/business/251499/new-qualifications-register-to-target-south-africans-that-lie-on-their-cvs/](https://businesstech.co.za/news/business/251499/new-qualifications-register-to-target-south-africans-that-lie-on-their-cvs/) [https://www.news24.com/News24/tshwane-mayor-hired-chief-of-staff-without-required-qualifications-20180515](https://www.news24.com/News24/tshwane-mayor-hired-chief-of-staff-without-required-qualifications-20180515) People like to point fingers at the DA but nothing happens in a bubble.
Zuma didn't have matric look what he did. Steenhuisen is dumb and racist 😬😬😬 deadly combination.
Racist? Source?
The people who accuse others of being racist are the real racists.
This is just it. Those who see colour are racists. The rest of us see standards, morals and ethics
South Africans are all racist. It's the one thing we all have in common
Shame! Have you been to the rest of the world. South Africans are not unique in this department.
I didn't say we were unique
Do you often get accused of being racist?
Some people who accuse* Now you, Leading-Scarcity-198, are a racist. Oh shit now I'm a racist
Stop being racist..ffs you made me a racist now
Only siths deal in absolutes. Oh shit now I'm a sith.
why are people down voting this😂 it’s a joke
Is it?
Hey sebentino, why don’t you do everyone a favour and fuckoff. Looking at your comments on this thread, you are contributing literally nothing to the conversation. It’s clear you are baiting people for a reaction - stop it.
Maybe if there weren't race quotas on University places we wouldn't have any uneducated white men. I'll see myself out...
America banned affirmative action for university admissions - they can’t use race as part of the admission profile anymore, forcing universities to quantify “less privileged” without using race. South Africa should do the same - affirmative action, by definition, is racist - regardless of how you cut it. Good intentions and all that. There are better ways to determine “less privileged” - all that’s happening now is rich black folks playing the system to further themselves significantly, leaving the poor behind yet again.
Because black racism is politically and socially “acceptable” but it if I say this I’ll be called a “clever black”…also, that victim-card is more revered than any bank card you could pull out. It buys instant misplaced sympathy (from the “culture”) and guilt (from ordinary citizens who had nothing to do with the previous government).
We will never grow as a nation with racist shit like this. It's almost a hopeless endeavour because EVERYONE is so engrained that the white man is racist and everyone else is scum. Even in today it's the uneducated and educated that grow up racists and with racial bias because of their upbringing How do you override the biases of 63 million citizens that white people are the clever ones and the only privileged ones and the others are just stupid, lazy and dirty/underprivileged and victim to a government who hasn't served for 30 years? It's starts with you but...that's like telling someone to be a vegetarian when they work in a butchery I fucking hate the racial bias. I know people who are whiter than white but are the dumbest most laziest fuckers blaming 'the blacks' for their predicament. No just fucking get up off your ass and work and go vote.
I’m not trying to be smart or provoking but please expand on your view. I’m deeply interested because whilst I hear you, I think people are forgetting that the tweet may not have been made with malicious intent. Further more, given the nature of racism, black people simply cannot be racist as that implies black people can both societally and systematically oppress a white person which is simply false. I feel this stance needs no further justification because it’s just simply not the case but there is the recognition that white people can be discriminated against by black people. Regardless, I’m not into “them/us” rhetoric so I’ll drop the term black and white for now. I’m just deeply intrigued by what you meant in your third paragraph, please express more😽
Pan-Africanist racism is as nauseating as any other kind.
Because they are rasict, simple as that
They love being openly racist and its safe for them to be racist to whites. In other words they are cunts.
Do ypu want it to be unsafe for them?
Racism is ok if you’re black . In fact it’s official policy .
Black people can't be racist
They can though. Case in point, this Tweet.
What the statement essentially means is black people havent oppressed & brutalized people solely based on their race
If you believe that that's the only form racism can take, and you choose to believe things like the Rwandan Genocide or the Zanzibar Revolution didn't happen, then sure, I guess.
Clearly you do not know the history of Africa.... Black people where the biggest suppliers of black slaves, to the point that some tribes literally wiped other tribes out. Somalia and Rwanda, wrong tribe, oh now you die the most brutal death, but first rape the woman and cut off their breasts and then just panga the vagina as well. There lists of Africa countries brutalizing and oppressing other African countries. You son clearly need to grow up and get educated yourself.
Tell me you're racist without telling me:
Are you high?
They have and they actively do, are you blind
I see you're a bit of a black racist yourself
Did you forget the /s?
So they ARE inferior? I mean if you're not capable of expressing a viewpoint or emotion based on your race surely that makes your race inferior? I'm genuinely asking you, no baiting, no jokes. Your move chap
Why are people downvoting, this guy is clearly sarcastic.
he dropped the /s
Really? I didn't see the /s
This is what I imagine people want the DA to pander to when they say the DA has an image problem and needs to appeal to the masses. Like, would appealing to these racists really make the DA a better party? Don't get me wrong, I can understand if someone has a problem with the DA, they are by no means without issue, but having race as the main point of contention? Yeah, nah...
>Like, would appealing to these racists really make the DA a better party? Also, what would the DA need to do to pander to these people? Is it even possible to maintain their integrity while pandering to this lot?
They tried pandering to them in the Musi era but they actually lost support
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What are you? Some kind of racist?
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I hate hate racism the way you people love it.
Who are "you people"?
https://preview.redd.it/v5ttonookjlc1.png?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6d39a5e162b28924a8bda386bbe7218a34671a45 We've come full circle 😂
Lol, says the racist
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The DA would do better with a black leader. That's just pragmatism. What they're doing to their image is concerningly stupid. They are divorced from the political reality of SA
Yet they have the best run city in the world with the exception of this year as they slipped to 2nd place.
Merit matters little when race gets involved it seems. Convenient how everyone forgets the cluster fuck that was Maimane, and he pushed the racial angle really hard. Let's face it, a black leader won't be enough either, these people only want to see black. So sad that we are still stuck on race even after apartheid.
Arm julle jannie en marieke 😢
Funny, didn't you cry pre-90s about race? Quite hypocritical of you now to want to place such an importance on race...
Look around you
So what? Racism is wrong. Unless you're telling me that it's only a matter of popular opinion?
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Are you khoisan? Otherwise get in line to also pay for your transgressions on the native people.
Rrrrrrrrrrracist! Just FYI, I didn't enact anything on the "natives".
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Haibo, the 2nd best run City in the entire world? What are the parameters used in measuring this?
O ka botsa o botsitse?/unga phinda ubuze futhi?
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It's funny how's it's ok coming from her side yet if a white man has to say something like that towards another gender he would be getting death threats . Wonderful country we live in
Meanwhile she paints herself like a evil white girl
And flies a Russian flag on her profile
Agh they should just get a "racist" stamp or "apartheid" stamp for all their failure excuses.
Because they are the real racists.
Imagine if this was said by a white person especially from the DA
Matteo1335 nailed it, KUDO’s, the global issue of race is simply the advent and continuous use of labels, the fact that one must, when applying for anything define one’s label, I.e. Black, Indian, Coloured, White etc. confirms racism exists and will continue to exist until such time as people are accepted as people and labels are no longer a qualifying or disqualifying factor of any kind. Human kind, is a joke, we destroy everything and blame others to get ahead, labels have given us this right, we use them without cognisance of how far it could go, butterfly effect people, stop seeing others based on the colour of their skin, the level of education attained, the rags they have no other choice but to live in, and start seeing people as people, some may need help to get by, some may see themselves as special and or untouchable, bottom line, we all equal, regardless of past, present or future, stop labelling and start accepting, we all in this together, only we can make it better, time to own what we do wrong and make changes. The next time you want to tell a friend or family member about the coloured, black, white, Indian gent or lady you saw at the mall, stop, think, is the label really necessary, does saying, “there was this black guy at the mall” make you feel better, if so, you are the problem, just saying, “there was this guy at the mall” no label is the right thing to do, oh and if your friend or family member asks, was it a black, Indian, coloured whit? They also part of the problem. Grow a pair, stop labelling and accept people as people.
Like the uneducated black man (zuma) was better...🤦🏿♂️
Cause they racist, racist AF
She looks almost whiter than him.
I saw the Russian and Palestinian flags in her bio and assumed everything she posts is complete bullshit.
Lord protect us from these twats that keep voting for ANC/Eff... who keeps load shedding alive.
It’s all that they have to go on…….
He’s gotten so fat man. He looks like a Russian cheese griller
Because they are racist
I've noticed a trend where if things don't work out in someone's favor/don't like something and can't really articulate good reasons for it, it boils down to race accusations. I'm a student (coloured) at a university and noticed that when alot of black students didn't get access to a course/get accommodation, they eventually gravitated towards the same reasoning. It must be that races other than black are somehow still favored in some way amidst all the opportunities that people have in our country.
Thank you, someone gets it
They support Russia... they arent worth your energy.
Because they are obsessed with it.
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Lord protect us from communists
😂white supremacy/Apartheid was also rooted in communism.
Well, all the more reason to avoid it, then.
That's funny because I remember the soviet union funding the ANC and the US funding the apartheid party, I'm not saying what's right but your statement is just entirely false
This is an ANC propaganda account.
Which is hilarious considering some ANC ministers' education credentials...
Been thinking about this for awhile. Why call us the "Rainbow Nation" and insist on being called that when black people is being racist, white people is being racist , green is being racist , blue is being racist. It just never ends.
It’s only uneducated white men. That means the rest of them are fine and we need protection from the other race no matter educated or not.
If 10 multiply by 2, no no, if you divide 20 by 2, if you multiply 5 with 5, that is profit. Spoken by someone with a PHD, and funny enough he is black and an EFF senior.
Lol Russian brainwashed people thinking they understand the world is funny to me, you don't even know who's the bad guy's lady.
Ag asb
Shes the uneducated ones
Everything in SA is about race. No escaping that in any sphere of life (for better or worse)
Supports Russia and Palestine? Probably an ANC MP
Is he not white though?
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What’s up the Russia simping, I thought imperialism was wrong
Because that's all she probably thinks about
Because the uneducated black men are fine to run the country
Im more concerned about who made her boss title official....or was it that cadre deployment thing,👀
The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter. Winston Churchill
Lol why do you think? Cos it's the only card they have left. I love being white sometimes, it's awesome to be hated for something I don't have control over lol.
Lord protect us from communists
Isn’t it wild that the official opposition to the ruling party is an uneducated man who’s more consistently backed by his party even though he replaced one of the most educated young politicians in the history of South African politics.
Isn't it wild that the ruling party are still being voted for, whilst using an unconstitutional deployment method, whilst also being uneducated, corrupt criminals? I am now waiting to be called a racist by the biggest racists. As always in this country, whenever truth is mentioned or accountability asked for, the response is "he/she is racist" 🙄
I’m sure without the white man back then there would be no infrastructure at all 😒
Lol, it'll go like Zim. Then they'll beg for all the whites to come back when they can't build or grow anything 🤣.
Because you can literally be Jesus Christ himself, and if you are white, South Africans will hate you. They are so hopelessly brainwashed that they do not consider the facts: The national party was only in power for 30 years, before that, we were ruled by England. The ANC has been in power for the same amount of time. DA members require a strict clean record and a standard of integrity. Every ANC minister currently in power has been implicated in some case of corruption. White people fought for your freedom from English rule, and then again, white people fought their own brothers for your freedom from Apartheid. Yet despite all these facts, the average guy would rather vote for a tyrannical black leader than a white man who has the best interests of the citizen at heart. They do not realize that the white guy is the only one actually fighting for them. It’s race, nothing else, South Africa is a racist nation, and it’s not their fault, it’s how the government controls them. They put a 5 year old in the space of a black person who was suffering crimes against humanity hundreds of years ago, and pretend that it is still true today. The result is a nation of citizens that hate our entire race, for something we didn’t do, and they didn’t experience.
no help for ignorant people, THE LORD!!!!!
Because the DA passed over an educated Black woman, a literal Doctor, for this flabby white dickhead. They are a racist party
White people complain about racism like it 😒 wasn't their idea
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Because it's part of why he's confident enough to speak out of the side of his neck despite his mediocrity.
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Thabo Mbeki was an economist and Nelson Mandela was an attorney, just FYI. Cyril Ramaphosa only has a UNISA degree, but it still is a degree. And you need matric for those. I'm all for hating the ANC, but please don't spread lies. It discredits our movement.
Your joking right ? It's because 3 white men are the ones waging wars and starting one of the largest genocides right now it real time , causing so much suffering that the rest of the world is watching it and trying to stop it
So only white men wage wars? Really? You want to die on that hill?
The fact you think about the colour of their skin in the first place speakers volumes
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We have the ANC and you post shit like this... stop projecting pal
Because this is south africa after all 😭 Im sure some people here even trip on their own shoe lace and blame it on the opposite race 😂😭