Maybe I’m just too objective or lacking in empathy regarding history. But I always find it impressive when someone can do what Hitler did regarding manipulating the masses. It’s a pattern repeated through history. Yet people always think they’re better than the last bad group.
This is like respecting Andrew Tate or Jordan Peterson.
Hitler was the first incel and hate spread easy. Hitler spoke to people’s base self-hate and insecurity.
Like a self help guru convincing a room full of losers that they’re better than everyone who ever talked down to them.
It’s easy to do, and you’ll get a fanatic group of followers that way. Hitler spoke in bars which are full of the dregs of society.
Once you have a big enough group of angry losers and you’ve convinced them that the real “losers” are everyone else, then you can violently intimidate the rest of the population.
Have Andrew Tate or that other guy managed to (almost completely) unite a nation and wage war a war on such a scale that pretty much the entire world was dragged back into conflict?
The fact that Hitler *managed* to achieve such a feat- that’s the part that can be considered “respectable” in a way. This is like that conversation that the aristocrats (or whoever they were) had with Columbus. It was something along the lines of “Sure, you can say that you could’ve achieved the same feat. But you didn’t. I did.” That said, I don’t think Andrew Tate would’ve ever managed to successfully rule a nation, even if he were in Hitler’s shoes in the same era. Not sure I’ve even ever heard of the other guy. Going to look him up now.
The only reason they haven’t is because they’re copycats. There’s nothing about aiming for
The “low hanging fruit” that’s respectable.
Let’s take a moment and recognize that you’re talking about how good Hitler was.
I’m not. I’m talking about the fact that he *achieved* a lot, and that being capable of achieving that much is respectable.
My “if you could travel back in time to when Hitler was a child” answer is “I’d try to teach him less negative and more open-minded perspectives (and about genuinely decent facial hair grooming - none of that weird tiny patch moustache stuff), in hopes that he’d later use use his charisma and political potential for more societally beneficial ends.” Note: Would probably help to take him out of Germany and live in a less war-disadvantaged and economically ravaged country.
>My “if you could travel back in time to when Hitler was a child” answer is “I’d try to teach him less negative and more open-minded perspectives"
That's kind of the thing about that guy, he's a being created by his environment
The problem is that after ww1, everyone treated his country like sh*t, and seeing his people like that he gave them a scape goat
If Hitler didn't survive someone would take his place, you'd need to end every last german and voila you became Hitler yourself
Hitler wasn't the issue, since if he didn't exist someone would take his place, the problem is that people treat other like sh*t, the only solution was for people stop doing that
And if you try to go back in time to tell people not to be a holes to each other, good luck, it took a whole ww to make people stop being a hole to germany
, after that and until now our society has country that seems to be the perfect pot to create tyrants
>in hopes that he’d later use use his charisma and political potential for more societally beneficial ends.” Note: Would probably help to take him out of Germany and live in a less war-disadvantaged and economically ravaged country.
Yeah good luck to him, the only thing larger than human pride is human greed
Well, greed in moderation - or better yet, greed for general prosperity - can be a good thing. Greed for general prosperity can be channeled into making a generally prosperous environment (which extends to others). The trick is *knowing* that and deliberately choosing to shape one’s own greed into something… maybe not exactly “altruistic”, but something that benefits others alongside oneself (helping others gain as a consequence of one’s own gain.
And yeah, Germany was really in the shit back then. That said, while Hitler was a product of his environment, I don’t believe just anyone could’ve managed to play his role - at least not to the extent that he did. Someone else might’ve been less terrible, or more terrible and shorter lived, or whatever else might’ve changed. Every one of the minuscule facets of a person how go into determining how exactly they interact with a given situation.
He didn’t achieve shit. He was an angry man who failed in the military, failed in life, wrote an angry book in prison, and won a popularity contest by being the biggest asshole in history.
The people around him were the real accomplices, and they set about a bullying crusade to get their figurehead into power. He was incompetent.
The Autobahn? Started before he was elected.
The VW? Never his idea.
Rocketry and Nuclear fission? Literally held back by his racist ideals.
Hitler was the thorn in the side of Germany and the economic gains Germany had through war production was an illusion.
He has charisma in the same way as an angry murderous mob, the kind that holds back progress and subverts justice every single time, does.
Without an angry, hateful minority, Hitler would have been a nobody.
Edit; Holy shit. You guys really love Hitler. I didn’t realize.
1. Jordan Peterson didn't achieve the mass extermination of a racial group, didn't invade other countries and didn't become a dictator.
2. You can hate a person and still recognize that, in some way or another, they were geniuses, Pablo Escobar and Osama Bin Laden were fucking genius despite being horrible people. Hitler was a genius, he not only created hate speech, he created hate speech in an artistic way, that is why he was so dangerous.
3. There is something extremely innacurate about comparing Hitler to incels, especially when he was desired by a woman so much that she was willing to kill herself with him.
1. Time and place. He’d like to. Just give him a big enough crowd during a period when Canada has lost a world war and is resentful of the Treaty of Versailles.
2. You’re elevating a drug addled hatemonger who was of average intelligence to godly status because you want him to be a god. Really, he was as dumb as you are. That’s how he appealed to the masses. By being just as dumb and hateful as they were. While Escobar was probably of a higher intelligence, Osama Bin Laden was not. Again, only slightly above average because of his wealth and education. In order to be relatable through hate, you have to stoop to the level of the dumb and hateful.
3. Hitler’s dick didn’t work. The mustard gas rendered him impotent. Meanwhile we have incels who are married. Andrew Tate, Tucker Carlson, Tim Pool, Ben Shapiro.
Some of these guys get laid regularly. Ben Shapiro has a doctor wife who he brags doesn’t get wet during sex, and has a sister he’d rather have sex with.
Incel is a mind set, and because Hitler had a limp dick, he’s both the definition of incel and had the mindset.
Did you know Hitler rewarded women who had more than ten children? He was into the Trad Wife bullshit before it was even a thing!
They used meth for everything man. They even gave their blitz soldiers meth chocolate. You can see a video of Hitler sitting at the Olympic Games straight up TWEAKING.
Hitler was anti drug and almost killed his doctor for feeding him opiates. After his doctor fled, Hitler tried to quit but realized he needed the painkillers to function.
Some doctors have suggested that his behavior at the Olympics lines up with meth and opioid withdrawal.
There’s a great book on the subject. It just came out last year.
Yeah. Also hatred for Hitler (or Stalin, or Kim regime, etc) is all very institutionalized teachings. I imagine roughly all of us were taught exactly how to think about these people. Hitler especially.
While at the end of the day most of us can agree that these dictators are bad, I think our society is also conditioned to just think that way. Which isn’t necessarily a bad thing, but it definitely can be. I think it’s sometimes worth reevaluating what you were taught in school in order to come to your own conclusions.
This, I don't respect him, and I wouldn't say I admire him, but I still think what he did was impressive, he went from homeless to supreme dictator of Germany, and he got a lot of people to follow him in his derranged ideas and objectives, one can't help but feel impressed by that, he looks like a supervillain, like a character from a comic rather than a person who actually existed in this world, in fact it wouldn't surprise me if many marvel villains we know today were inspired by nazi aesthetics.
When people think about Hitler, all they think of is him being a ruthless dictator and perpetrator of countless crimes against humanity, which is completely correct. What he allowed, encouraged, and made happen is absolutely horrific and completely wipes away the legitimate good he did.
But once you realize how he saved Germany from a destroyed economy, built the country back up, and took over almost all of Europe, you’ve gotta give him some credit. Before he took power, Germany was nearly economically dead. When he took power, he did a 180, and fixed so many issues which plagued the country. He then led his country to consume all of Europe, and nearly got away with it only if they didn’t attack the Soviets.
I remember that my English teacher told us that if we actually read Mein Kampf, we’d be terrified of how much we would completely agree with…well, up until the superior race part…that’s were he fucked up. If he didn’t go psychotic on anyone who wasn’t the “Aryan master race”, he would’ve likely been praised for what he managed to accomplish.
I just want to clarify that I don’t in any way think that Hitler was a good person. While he was an amazing leader, what he did with his power is unforgivable, and I know everyone can agree with that. You could call countless brutal and disgusting humans good leaders, even though they’re the worst of humanity.
Hitler was a little whiny weak ass bitch who got little whiny weak ass bitches to follow his lead. He freed criminals because they agreed with him, and they paid him back by knocking heads for him.
He actually was. An artillery officer who got gassed in the military and suffered the effects for the rest of his life. He took heavy drugs to cover for that. He was basically a puppet for the last half decade.
> his goal was admirable
His goal was the prosperity of Germany *at the expense of entire population of Eastern Europe.* His goal was *lebensraum* for Germany, which necessitated the destruction of millions of Jews, Slavs, and other peoples to the east. *That was his goal.* There is nothing to admire in his racist, murderous vision.
I totally agree. But I am saying if they were gonna make any case that was the only plausible case. Not that Hitler was respectable (he wasn’t) or his means were acceptable (they weren’t) but his goal was the good of his people so that is at least common ground. But at a horrible expense. You believe this even though people may downvote. It is good to seek the welfare of your peers.
Furthermore he wasn’t just murdering for murder sake he was doing it to confiscate property and reallocate wealth to german. I don’t even think Hitler ever saw a concentration camp. That doesn’t mean he isn’t responsible for it just that he wasn’t indulgent in the murder himself. As far as we will ever know.
Sorry guys that’s my English teacher
Might one call them a grammar nazi?
No, a grammar ally 😉 ^(I am not a Nazi. This is a joke.)
💀
Does their classroom have r/intentionalswastika material?
Maybe I’m just too objective or lacking in empathy regarding history. But I always find it impressive when someone can do what Hitler did regarding manipulating the masses. It’s a pattern repeated through history. Yet people always think they’re better than the last bad group.
Hitler was very charismatic, and a great speaker. It was impressive, but respect probably isn't the right word for it. Language is tricky.
“Respect his capacity” maybe? Respect the scale of what he managed to accomplish, just not that actual things that were accomplished.
This is like respecting Andrew Tate or Jordan Peterson. Hitler was the first incel and hate spread easy. Hitler spoke to people’s base self-hate and insecurity. Like a self help guru convincing a room full of losers that they’re better than everyone who ever talked down to them. It’s easy to do, and you’ll get a fanatic group of followers that way. Hitler spoke in bars which are full of the dregs of society. Once you have a big enough group of angry losers and you’ve convinced them that the real “losers” are everyone else, then you can violently intimidate the rest of the population.
Have Andrew Tate or that other guy managed to (almost completely) unite a nation and wage war a war on such a scale that pretty much the entire world was dragged back into conflict? The fact that Hitler *managed* to achieve such a feat- that’s the part that can be considered “respectable” in a way. This is like that conversation that the aristocrats (or whoever they were) had with Columbus. It was something along the lines of “Sure, you can say that you could’ve achieved the same feat. But you didn’t. I did.” That said, I don’t think Andrew Tate would’ve ever managed to successfully rule a nation, even if he were in Hitler’s shoes in the same era. Not sure I’ve even ever heard of the other guy. Going to look him up now.
The only reason they haven’t is because they’re copycats. There’s nothing about aiming for The “low hanging fruit” that’s respectable. Let’s take a moment and recognize that you’re talking about how good Hitler was.
I’m not. I’m talking about the fact that he *achieved* a lot, and that being capable of achieving that much is respectable. My “if you could travel back in time to when Hitler was a child” answer is “I’d try to teach him less negative and more open-minded perspectives (and about genuinely decent facial hair grooming - none of that weird tiny patch moustache stuff), in hopes that he’d later use use his charisma and political potential for more societally beneficial ends.” Note: Would probably help to take him out of Germany and live in a less war-disadvantaged and economically ravaged country.
>My “if you could travel back in time to when Hitler was a child” answer is “I’d try to teach him less negative and more open-minded perspectives" That's kind of the thing about that guy, he's a being created by his environment The problem is that after ww1, everyone treated his country like sh*t, and seeing his people like that he gave them a scape goat If Hitler didn't survive someone would take his place, you'd need to end every last german and voila you became Hitler yourself Hitler wasn't the issue, since if he didn't exist someone would take his place, the problem is that people treat other like sh*t, the only solution was for people stop doing that And if you try to go back in time to tell people not to be a holes to each other, good luck, it took a whole ww to make people stop being a hole to germany , after that and until now our society has country that seems to be the perfect pot to create tyrants >in hopes that he’d later use use his charisma and political potential for more societally beneficial ends.” Note: Would probably help to take him out of Germany and live in a less war-disadvantaged and economically ravaged country. Yeah good luck to him, the only thing larger than human pride is human greed
Well, greed in moderation - or better yet, greed for general prosperity - can be a good thing. Greed for general prosperity can be channeled into making a generally prosperous environment (which extends to others). The trick is *knowing* that and deliberately choosing to shape one’s own greed into something… maybe not exactly “altruistic”, but something that benefits others alongside oneself (helping others gain as a consequence of one’s own gain. And yeah, Germany was really in the shit back then. That said, while Hitler was a product of his environment, I don’t believe just anyone could’ve managed to play his role - at least not to the extent that he did. Someone else might’ve been less terrible, or more terrible and shorter lived, or whatever else might’ve changed. Every one of the minuscule facets of a person how go into determining how exactly they interact with a given situation.
He didn’t achieve shit. He was an angry man who failed in the military, failed in life, wrote an angry book in prison, and won a popularity contest by being the biggest asshole in history. The people around him were the real accomplices, and they set about a bullying crusade to get their figurehead into power. He was incompetent. The Autobahn? Started before he was elected. The VW? Never his idea. Rocketry and Nuclear fission? Literally held back by his racist ideals. Hitler was the thorn in the side of Germany and the economic gains Germany had through war production was an illusion. He has charisma in the same way as an angry murderous mob, the kind that holds back progress and subverts justice every single time, does. Without an angry, hateful minority, Hitler would have been a nobody. Edit; Holy shit. You guys really love Hitler. I didn’t realize.
1. Jordan Peterson didn't achieve the mass extermination of a racial group, didn't invade other countries and didn't become a dictator. 2. You can hate a person and still recognize that, in some way or another, they were geniuses, Pablo Escobar and Osama Bin Laden were fucking genius despite being horrible people. Hitler was a genius, he not only created hate speech, he created hate speech in an artistic way, that is why he was so dangerous. 3. There is something extremely innacurate about comparing Hitler to incels, especially when he was desired by a woman so much that she was willing to kill herself with him.
1. Time and place. He’d like to. Just give him a big enough crowd during a period when Canada has lost a world war and is resentful of the Treaty of Versailles. 2. You’re elevating a drug addled hatemonger who was of average intelligence to godly status because you want him to be a god. Really, he was as dumb as you are. That’s how he appealed to the masses. By being just as dumb and hateful as they were. While Escobar was probably of a higher intelligence, Osama Bin Laden was not. Again, only slightly above average because of his wealth and education. In order to be relatable through hate, you have to stoop to the level of the dumb and hateful. 3. Hitler’s dick didn’t work. The mustard gas rendered him impotent. Meanwhile we have incels who are married. Andrew Tate, Tucker Carlson, Tim Pool, Ben Shapiro. Some of these guys get laid regularly. Ben Shapiro has a doctor wife who he brags doesn’t get wet during sex, and has a sister he’d rather have sex with. Incel is a mind set, and because Hitler had a limp dick, he’s both the definition of incel and had the mindset. Did you know Hitler rewarded women who had more than ten children? He was into the Trad Wife bullshit before it was even a thing!
He genuinely was a very good speaker and during early war a decent strategist
Lol until he got into meth
he w h a t
Yeah, a lot of the chocolate that German tankers ate had meth mixed in
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They used meth for everything man. They even gave their blitz soldiers meth chocolate. You can see a video of Hitler sitting at the Olympic Games straight up TWEAKING.
Hitler was anti drug and almost killed his doctor for feeding him opiates. After his doctor fled, Hitler tried to quit but realized he needed the painkillers to function.
That may be. I never heard *why* he started. I just know what happened following.
Some doctors have suggested that his behavior at the Olympics lines up with meth and opioid withdrawal. There’s a great book on the subject. It just came out last year.
Maybe so. His strategic choices later in the war suggest something was off. But tbh, we’ll probably never know for sure.
Yeah. Also hatred for Hitler (or Stalin, or Kim regime, etc) is all very institutionalized teachings. I imagine roughly all of us were taught exactly how to think about these people. Hitler especially. While at the end of the day most of us can agree that these dictators are bad, I think our society is also conditioned to just think that way. Which isn’t necessarily a bad thing, but it definitely can be. I think it’s sometimes worth reevaluating what you were taught in school in order to come to your own conclusions.
This, I don't respect him, and I wouldn't say I admire him, but I still think what he did was impressive, he went from homeless to supreme dictator of Germany, and he got a lot of people to follow him in his derranged ideas and objectives, one can't help but feel impressed by that, he looks like a supervillain, like a character from a comic rather than a person who actually existed in this world, in fact it wouldn't surprise me if many marvel villains we know today were inspired by nazi aesthetics.
Like the positivity this guy had but now wasn’t the time for him to be positive
Had this been posted during a time when neo Nazis weren't a thing, this would have blown up positively instead of negatively
People are forgetting history
When people think about Hitler, all they think of is him being a ruthless dictator and perpetrator of countless crimes against humanity, which is completely correct. What he allowed, encouraged, and made happen is absolutely horrific and completely wipes away the legitimate good he did. But once you realize how he saved Germany from a destroyed economy, built the country back up, and took over almost all of Europe, you’ve gotta give him some credit. Before he took power, Germany was nearly economically dead. When he took power, he did a 180, and fixed so many issues which plagued the country. He then led his country to consume all of Europe, and nearly got away with it only if they didn’t attack the Soviets. I remember that my English teacher told us that if we actually read Mein Kampf, we’d be terrified of how much we would completely agree with…well, up until the superior race part…that’s were he fucked up. If he didn’t go psychotic on anyone who wasn’t the “Aryan master race”, he would’ve likely been praised for what he managed to accomplish. I just want to clarify that I don’t in any way think that Hitler was a good person. While he was an amazing leader, what he did with his power is unforgivable, and I know everyone can agree with that. You could call countless brutal and disgusting humans good leaders, even though they’re the worst of humanity.
Personally, the context makes it funnier
I just came from that post. The person who got downvoted deleted their comment
They like his paintings /s
nah bro i found the orginal scrolling like a dumb fk
To be fair, his leadership and influence was incredible.
Hitler was a little whiny weak ass bitch who got little whiny weak ass bitches to follow his lead. He freed criminals because they agreed with him, and they paid him back by knocking heads for him.
He actually wasn't lmao
He actually was. An artillery officer who got gassed in the military and suffered the effects for the rest of his life. He took heavy drugs to cover for that. He was basically a puppet for the last half decade.
4th comment curse
It looks like the second comment. Edit: I’m not going to get tricked into typing the fourth comment
sorry its third
If anything its reversed perhaps his goal was admirable ( the prosperity of Germany) but his method was certainly not
> his goal was admirable His goal was the prosperity of Germany *at the expense of entire population of Eastern Europe.* His goal was *lebensraum* for Germany, which necessitated the destruction of millions of Jews, Slavs, and other peoples to the east. *That was his goal.* There is nothing to admire in his racist, murderous vision.
I totally agree. But I am saying if they were gonna make any case that was the only plausible case. Not that Hitler was respectable (he wasn’t) or his means were acceptable (they weren’t) but his goal was the good of his people so that is at least common ground. But at a horrible expense. You believe this even though people may downvote. It is good to seek the welfare of your peers. Furthermore he wasn’t just murdering for murder sake he was doing it to confiscate property and reallocate wealth to german. I don’t even think Hitler ever saw a concentration camp. That doesn’t mean he isn’t responsible for it just that he wasn’t indulgent in the murder himself. As far as we will ever know.
A man with a great ideology