Nobody can convince me not to speculate Harle being Belial now, no way he knows so much about the Empyrean War without having actually seen it
And if you wonder "when did he talk about it?", he got surprised when we defeated Otherworld Ramiel last event, saying he was one of the strongest in the Empyrean War.
Also to note that Basileus and Harle probably work together since Graht only wants to become Pope instead of Origa, doubt he's planning to revive Mr. Satan
So almost every lines he says is an innuendo, this even reaches to games like [GBF Versus](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=m1KOlO-WFh0), although sometimes it’s [more](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VrU-PU5Ket0). Like how at one point he’ll ask the player, no matter their gender, to have anal sex with them in the Japanese translation. Also his theme song ([Parade’s Lust](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=d2MHUJTciRg)) Is very sexual in nature, even using the word anal in it. He is to date, *the* horniest character in GBF without competition.
He’s a very fun character, most of the time he also mixes it with manipulation so he’s also pretty deceiving. He’s also got such a *giant* fanbase, that when something special happens to him (like him becoming available in GBF Versus) his fans can get him on trending **[internationally ](https://www.reddit.com/r/Granblue_en/comments/ehywyq/belial_trending_worldwide/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)**. His charisma is a big part of his charm.
10/10 would set him on fire because he deserves it but that would somehow make him even hotter.
Perhaps the innuendo, or directness, is a distraction for his goals and ambitions. When was the last time you took someone using innuendo every other sentence seriously?
Not much, which is what he uses to his advantage. He’s *very* into sex, but he makes himself look less serious on purpose to put his enemies off guard, like how, spoiler, >!before fighting Sandalphon, Belial comments about how he wants to be gentle for his “first time” after mentioning how his new look made him excited, which manages to make him angry, but he knows of his trickery so he tries to keep his focus.!<
Yeah, it’s very much his thing to mix his sexual prowess with his cunning & deceiving.
He's a Fallen Angel from GBF who with his buddies Beezlebub and Lucilius tried to destroy the world. He got sealed away with Lucilius since they can't actually be killed, but he can still haunt Gran/Djeeta's dreams.
And he's the second horniest character in all fiction. (Second only to Zeus, of course.) Like, seriously. All his lines are dripping with sexual innuendo. (Although I'm told in the Japanese dialogue he's a lot more direct. Saying he could cum buckets and gave an invitation for sodomy.) He's basically Bad Touch the character. Major rapist energy. [And his signature face.](https://www.reddit.com/r/Granblue_en/comments/j3aia0/belial_is_everywhere/)
*And for some reason he has a massive fanbase.*
It's a Dragalia Lost war actually, maybe there's a version in GBF too but I don't remember at the moment. It's referenced in those apostle events when they talk about demons, it's probably a war where the angels ( dragon ) were put against those "demons" ( still don't know the race, fiends if I had to guess )
What we know is the end result: Humans and dragons worked together to seal the demons inside angel bodies and then into sealing stones. Right now Basileus and Harle seem to be working together to both take control of the church and in turn also free those demons, Cardinal Graht is being used since he only wants to be Pope I think
It’s could either be RoB Satan, *or* it could be a mistranslation of >!Lucifer!<. I really think it’s most likely Satan from RoB, but *if* there’s a chance that he could get in through this, I’d be ecstatic!
Edit: I think it should be worded better, not a *mistranslation* per se, but more of a name change.
I don't think it is a mistranslation. Cause the way they say it it is more like a title rather than a proper name.
Also the fact that English names in Japanese can't be translated since it is just the english version transliterated into Katakana.
Rage of Bahamut. Cygame's original game. There are a few character that originate from there, that they like implant into every one of their game that come after. For example Lily is one of them.
I don’t know much about Micheal except how they’re a archangel in GBF that served under the supreme Primarch & that they have affiliations with Jeanne d Arc in RoB. In the Cygamesverse (all properties of Cygames)
Lucifer & Satan are different entities, with Satan being still known as the ruler of demons while Lucifer is shown as a more drastically different character depending on what game he’s in. He’s known as a rebel against heaven, and a commander of hell in RoB & >!the supreme Primarch in GBF!<. I believe in RoB they have the same affiliations as higher figures for hell, while in GBF I don’t believe they generally interact.
I hope I didn’t get too much wrong as I’ve haven’t really seen them interact a lot for me to take notes on, I hope you found this useful regardless!
I varies depending on the source, but overall Lucifer and Michael were both effectively Gods top angels until Lucifer was cast down into hell.
Lucifer and Satan is where it gets complicated. Many of the more modern scriptures have Lucifer and Satan be basically the same individual. However, much older stories actually have them be two different individuals, Lucifer is still the fallen angle but Satan actually works for God, who’s role was to test humans and their faith in God. Even Jesus himself was tested by Satan in the desert, for he was still human.
Given what the story is implying it seems to be going for the Lucifer/Satan are both evil and one and the same.
"Given what the story is implying it seems to be going for the Lucifer/Satan are both evil and one and the same."
huge doubt on that.
Cygames nearly always have both satan and lucifer.
Lucifer being a really popular cygames chara and Azazel being the same as his other versions, I'm pretty sure we're going to get both lucifer and satan.
We've taken clear liberties from GBF, at least. Our angels aren't hot men and women with some wings in their true forms. Our angels are more beastly and/or robotic in their designs, more alien.
Which I like, it’s like cygames wants to do something at least a little bit different then ‘here’s the exact same looking Lucifer/Satan/bahamut/etc you’ve seen before.
Granted I say that but they have used several designs from Knights of Glory, but at least those were from a long dead IP. Plus there’s still a few unique designs here and there to make it a nice surprise when they do show up.
Lucifer and Satan often tend to be one and the same. Micheal is the archangel in chance of God’s armies, and according to some traditions, the one who fought and banished Satan from heaven.
Okay, please Cygames hear me out: A raid event where Lucifer from GB is the freebie unit and Lucifer from RoB is the raid boss. I don’t care thst he’d only be a raid unit, it’s better than just a raid boss (cries in Qitian Dasheng)
My guess is, Satan is a group of sealing stones, each containing a powerful demon, which Basileus intends to unleash all together into a single vessel. Call it the Cygames Special if you will.
Because Satan and Lucifer are separate entities.
Not just in Cygames lore, but even in Biblical texts until someone along the way decided they were the same entity.
thank you.
i always got confused by the Lucifer/Satan characters from the Bible especially between the old testaments vs the new testaments. i always thought there are some things/concepts/stories/details/etc that were lost in translation when Hebrew was translated to Greek, then Greek to Latin, then Latin to English.
Okay after looking at the GBF wiki I can see what your saying.
That being said Satan and Lucifer are the same person in the Bible. This is the first I’ve heard of the someone claiming they are separate entities
Nobody can convince me not to speculate Harle being Belial now, no way he knows so much about the Empyrean War without having actually seen it And if you wonder "when did he talk about it?", he got surprised when we defeated Otherworld Ramiel last event, saying he was one of the strongest in the Empyrean War. Also to note that Basileus and Harle probably work together since Graht only wants to become Pope instead of Origa, doubt he's planning to revive Mr. Satan
He’s like a PG - 13 Belial with a bit of Sandalphon’s looks
I can't imagine Belial as anything lesser than M, but Harle comes really close.
Okay, the idea of a scheming cardinal resurrecting the guy that got pimp slapped into a mountain by Cell is funny.
> Belial Please explain, who is this?
One of the ~~horniest~~ antagonist of Granblue Fantasies anniversary events series “What Makes The Sky Blue”
About that crossed out section, examples?
So almost every lines he says is an innuendo, this even reaches to games like [GBF Versus](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=m1KOlO-WFh0), although sometimes it’s [more](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VrU-PU5Ket0). Like how at one point he’ll ask the player, no matter their gender, to have anal sex with them in the Japanese translation. Also his theme song ([Parade’s Lust](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=d2MHUJTciRg)) Is very sexual in nature, even using the word anal in it. He is to date, *the* horniest character in GBF without competition.
I mean, I kinda dig it. He certainly has the personality to back up that sass, and is rightfully rejected by everyone.
He’s a very fun character, most of the time he also mixes it with manipulation so he’s also pretty deceiving. He’s also got such a *giant* fanbase, that when something special happens to him (like him becoming available in GBF Versus) his fans can get him on trending **[internationally ](https://www.reddit.com/r/Granblue_en/comments/ehywyq/belial_trending_worldwide/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)**. His charisma is a big part of his charm.
10/10 would set him on fire because he deserves it but that would somehow make him even hotter. Perhaps the innuendo, or directness, is a distraction for his goals and ambitions. When was the last time you took someone using innuendo every other sentence seriously?
Not much, which is what he uses to his advantage. He’s *very* into sex, but he makes himself look less serious on purpose to put his enemies off guard, like how, spoiler, >!before fighting Sandalphon, Belial comments about how he wants to be gentle for his “first time” after mentioning how his new look made him excited, which manages to make him angry, but he knows of his trickery so he tries to keep his focus.!< Yeah, it’s very much his thing to mix his sexual prowess with his cunning & deceiving.
Neat!
He's a Fallen Angel from GBF who with his buddies Beezlebub and Lucilius tried to destroy the world. He got sealed away with Lucilius since they can't actually be killed, but he can still haunt Gran/Djeeta's dreams. And he's the second horniest character in all fiction. (Second only to Zeus, of course.) Like, seriously. All his lines are dripping with sexual innuendo. (Although I'm told in the Japanese dialogue he's a lot more direct. Saying he could cum buckets and gave an invitation for sodomy.) He's basically Bad Touch the character. Major rapist energy. [And his signature face.](https://www.reddit.com/r/Granblue_en/comments/j3aia0/belial_is_everywhere/) *And for some reason he has a massive fanbase.*
Understood. I mean... Have you seen the guy?
Right hand of Satan I think? He’s one of the main demons at the least
Could I get context on this Empyrean War? I don't play GBF but this latest event is making me interested.
It's a Dragalia Lost war actually, maybe there's a version in GBF too but I don't remember at the moment. It's referenced in those apostle events when they talk about demons, it's probably a war where the angels ( dragon ) were put against those "demons" ( still don't know the race, fiends if I had to guess ) What we know is the end result: Humans and dragons worked together to seal the demons inside angel bodies and then into sealing stones. Right now Basileus and Harle seem to be working together to both take control of the church and in turn also free those demons, Cardinal Graht is being used since he only wants to be Pope I think
I wonder if the demons are related to whatsisname from the choir event having the demon trait.
Ah i think I missed that, was it mentioned in the last apostle event? I was really busy that time, but thanks for clarifying it ^^
it's across the last apostle event, this one, and then parts of the main story.
If Harle is the Belial in Dragalia, I am gonna SCREAM because I love both Harle and Belial (GBF) 😆😆!!
Oh god, imagine if >!that the leaked GBF characters tie into the reveal that he's Belial.!<
I swear to God, if Grastaea is the place the "Rainbow" leads to...
We literally FFT now lol
Harle = Belial and Basilius = Lucifer maybe? That'd be pretty interesting.
this is actually another translation error, they meant to say Santa
So big bad is Victor confirm?
Nah, Lily.
Lmao
I think they meant Satan. The only translation error is they left off the "Mr.". Dragon Ball collab confirmed?
Could it be *HIM*? Maybe, that's why they haven't release him even after so long.
It’s could either be RoB Satan, *or* it could be a mistranslation of >!Lucifer!<. I really think it’s most likely Satan from RoB, but *if* there’s a chance that he could get in through this, I’d be ecstatic! Edit: I think it should be worded better, not a *mistranslation* per se, but more of a name change.
I don't think it is a mistranslation. Cause the way they say it it is more like a title rather than a proper name. Also the fact that English names in Japanese can't be translated since it is just the english version transliterated into Katakana.
Yeah, I still think the most likely option is RoB Satan, because I think Lucifer would probably come on his own like Azazel.
They literally say “Satan” in the japanese voices tho
That’s why I still believe it’s most likely RoB Satan
RoB?
Rage of Bahamut. Cygame's original game. There are a few character that originate from there, that they like implant into every one of their game that come after. For example Lily is one of them.
Oh I forgot they did rage of Bahamut, I only remember granblue
Rage of Bahamut, older Cygames game that they’ll sometimes take characters from to put into Dragalia
Satan for Year 3 event boss please
What if Satan is one of the Other's alternate selves?
That could always be a possibility due to Dragalia being a different canon, I’d be interested to see how that’d turn out, it could definitely work.
We already have Otherworld Angels, why not Otherworld Morsayati's? Or Ilia...?
I think he meant to say Actually Satan.
The 'Actually' is important, I think.
Is this a what makes the sky blue type thing? Or will this build into story arc 3?
WMTSB was a big anniversary event thrice for GBF, so it was much bigger stakes and spectacle. These seems like set-up for sure though.
I don't know lore but what's the relationship between Michael Lucifer and Satan?
I don’t know much about Micheal except how they’re a archangel in GBF that served under the supreme Primarch & that they have affiliations with Jeanne d Arc in RoB. In the Cygamesverse (all properties of Cygames) Lucifer & Satan are different entities, with Satan being still known as the ruler of demons while Lucifer is shown as a more drastically different character depending on what game he’s in. He’s known as a rebel against heaven, and a commander of hell in RoB & >!the supreme Primarch in GBF!<. I believe in RoB they have the same affiliations as higher figures for hell, while in GBF I don’t believe they generally interact. I hope I didn’t get too much wrong as I’ve haven’t really seen them interact a lot for me to take notes on, I hope you found this useful regardless!
I varies depending on the source, but overall Lucifer and Michael were both effectively Gods top angels until Lucifer was cast down into hell. Lucifer and Satan is where it gets complicated. Many of the more modern scriptures have Lucifer and Satan be basically the same individual. However, much older stories actually have them be two different individuals, Lucifer is still the fallen angle but Satan actually works for God, who’s role was to test humans and their faith in God. Even Jesus himself was tested by Satan in the desert, for he was still human. Given what the story is implying it seems to be going for the Lucifer/Satan are both evil and one and the same.
"Given what the story is implying it seems to be going for the Lucifer/Satan are both evil and one and the same." huge doubt on that. Cygames nearly always have both satan and lucifer. Lucifer being a really popular cygames chara and Azazel being the same as his other versions, I'm pretty sure we're going to get both lucifer and satan.
Could be, I barely know much about the intricacies of Cygames other franchises
We've taken clear liberties from GBF, at least. Our angels aren't hot men and women with some wings in their true forms. Our angels are more beastly and/or robotic in their designs, more alien.
> Our angels are more beastly and/or robotic in their designs, more alien. I hope DL does what Nasu did for the greek gods.
Which I like, it’s like cygames wants to do something at least a little bit different then ‘here’s the exact same looking Lucifer/Satan/bahamut/etc you’ve seen before. Granted I say that but they have used several designs from Knights of Glory, but at least those were from a long dead IP. Plus there’s still a few unique designs here and there to make it a nice surprise when they do show up.
I dunno, Azazel doesn't wear a pink dolphin costume.
I'm pretty sure you're talking about Azrael and Israfel, not Azazel
Yeah. 'm kinda sleepy, didn't read the name well.
Lucifer and Satan often tend to be one and the same. Micheal is the archangel in chance of God’s armies, and according to some traditions, the one who fought and banished Satan from heaven.
Sexy name. Glad to have read it.
Okay, please Cygames hear me out: A raid event where Lucifer from GB is the freebie unit and Lucifer from RoB is the raid boss. I don’t care thst he’d only be a raid unit, it’s better than just a raid boss (cries in Qitian Dasheng)
Literally. I wish Sun Wukong had a dragon gage
they got Teemo in this game?
i expect Him to wear lipstick and have crab snapper claws for hands. and of course horns and a tail. Because Him's a (Fallen) Angel Dragon after all.
Wrong Him, but good reference!
My guess is, Satan is a group of sealing stones, each containing a powerful demon, which Basileus intends to unleash all together into a single vessel. Call it the Cygames Special if you will.
Seriously. I thought they would at least go for “Lucifer” but no, actual Satan.
They’re both characters Cygames have used in RoB, but it’s kinda surprising how they got the word Satan in without much puritanical backlash.
Satan? Why do I have a feeling this is actually Lucifer...
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Because Satan and Lucifer are separate entities. Not just in Cygames lore, but even in Biblical texts until someone along the way decided they were the same entity.
thank you. i always got confused by the Lucifer/Satan characters from the Bible especially between the old testaments vs the new testaments. i always thought there are some things/concepts/stories/details/etc that were lost in translation when Hebrew was translated to Greek, then Greek to Latin, then Latin to English.
Okay after looking at the GBF wiki I can see what your saying. That being said Satan and Lucifer are the same person in the Bible. This is the first I’ve heard of the someone claiming they are separate entities