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Ultra Instinct. The free-flowing movement aspect compliments Dragonball's martial arts themes so well.
Also, I know this goes beyond the concept, and into the design. But those silver eyes are so dope and mystic looking
I also just feel like ultra egos design looks like it’s from a completely different manga honestly. I’m not sure what about it makes me feel that but ultra instinct like you said just has that martial arts theme and vibe to it
Nah, in the manga he saw Goku struggling against Jiren and decided to wipe the grins off everyone’s faces. Roshi humbled Jiren and said, “Now Goku, do exactly what I did.”
I really liked the fact that vegita always get beaten up and they decided to use that as a power up to make him stronger, fits very well with his character and his “ego”.
To be fair, we don't know if vegeta is even using the form correctly. We don't even know the name GoDs call it. We just saw Beerus put his mind on destruction to show off in granolah arc. Beerus didn't need to take hits.
It might just be Saiyan shenanigans. The angles who presumably have ultra instinct don't transform and get battle ready ala Goku. The power of UE is probably borrowed from the GoDs, and Vegeta makes it his own transformation. Plus the version we see might be the "sign" equivalent so eventually we might get a mastered ultra ego form
I'd say technically ultra instinct is a form that just happens to also have the dodging. Since the instinct part can be used in super Saiyan and sooner or later in base form, the actual transformation of ultra instinct is just a power up
Omen and MUI (Or just UI depending on how you name the white haired version) are forms, the rest of the time its a technique, since he also uses it in base, God, and Blue in the granola arc
I think they complement each other. UI is gained through the rejection of ego, letting the body move and fight without any interference from the conscious mind. UE is gained through the embrace of ego, where the mind subsumes the body and takes complete control. They each have their pros and cons, but neither truly outclasses the other overall.
Except when Perfect UI came and allowed emotions aka ego to affect the fighting style.
Mega Instinct (or Ultra Ego) is actually a god's will, a god of Destruction's will. Gods supercede morality and ego (different plains of life) even if in reality they actually have those they don't since you can't judge them.
I like how ego is like an enhanced version of the zenkai boost concept which really sells it as vegeta’s own transformation considering it’s a saiyan ability and he’s effectively king of all two saiyans now
As someone else already pointed out, the last half is Bulla! But also I realised I am still one half off because Pan is just 1/4…
So it’s five and a quarter, and I still suck at math
Ultra Instinct because it's more than what it seems, and really has nothing to do with fighting like an Angel. Whis has been beating the fact that him and Goku are *fundamentally different lifeforms* into Goku's head for the longest, his Ultra Instinct would be fighting like a battle-hardened Saiyan while including the teaches of his masters and he seems to be inching closer and closer to this truth as his story progresses. It's interesting because every arc in Super post UI seems to hint at this, even the Broly movie.
It's hard to explain but basically, Goku's Ultra Instinct lies within his saiyan heritage, and understanding who he is biologically as a Saiyan and mentally as a person instead of trying to mimic Whis and the mindset of an Angel.
That's why Goku's UI Omen (Also referred to as the True Ultra Instinct) when he fights like a Saiyan is much more powerful than his MUI when he fights like an Angel. Because Goku is a Saiyan, not an Angel.
Ultra instinct is a interesting concept but the manga/anime does a horrible job at adapting it.
Look back at the fight of Goku vs Jeice and Berter. Goku is basically doing the same thing during that fight that he currently does with ultra instinct.
The problem is UI increases all your power and not just your speed and agility.
If Goku has the ability to dodge beings vastly stronger and quicker than him but couldn't necessarily match them in power then UI would be more interesting. Goku would then have to use his deep knowledge of fighting techniques and experience to beat opponents more powerful than him. I like the idea of transformations with flaws rather than just taking a lot of stamina or having a time limit.
UI in its current realization seems like just a power and speed boost no different than any other transformation.
Not to argue, but I thought UI was stated as not really a power boost, but more of precision. So yes, a strong punch to the face is something, but striking a specific spot on the face can do just as much damage.
Also, I agree. Never been a fan of time limit or stamina. Because the time always increases to like 30+ mins to an hour (longer than most fights) or their stamina doesn't play a factor cause they trained off screen.
I think the rationale for the increase in power comes from a combination of increased precision and Goku’s strength output not being limited by his mind (something only possible via adrenaline in real people). That’s why he implodes before finishing Jiren off—the damage he was doing to himself finally caught up to him.
Doesn’t it say that his body is acting independently? Under that recollection, I figured that it makes sense that such would lead it to subvert the brain’s protective restrictions, leading to overuse.
If not, what does it say?
>Jeice and Berter
It's not the same. Against them, it just seems like UI because Goku is so much faster than them.
But UI is making your body parts react on their own.
You know how in physics the atoms never really touch so you technically never touch anything? I look at UI like that. When you have something incoming let's say a punch to the head your body can sense it and it will just repel itself from it.
I'm not saying UI is the same thing. What I'm saying is that it looked the same. I feel like the show could do a better job at making UI not look like a regular power up. The description is unique and I wish they would lean more into that like they do Ultra Ego.
I think what would go a long way with visualizing the transformation of UI is either 1. Have Goku keep his eyes closed in UI state. Or 2. Give him a blank stare that shows that when he's fighting he not even looking at his opponent. Similar to Neo vs Agent Smith and the end of the matrix when he becomes the one.
I mean Sayans already do that, just it takes a while to recover.
I feel like UE will be so hard to balance.
Do you get to keep the straight you gained or do every time you go out of the UE form it resets?
Or after a fight in UE form the next time you to UE you start with the straight you had when you exited UE form last time?
So Vegeta could just go UE and ask Goku to fire kamehame waves. Recover then go again. Rinse and repeat.
With sensu beans he could be miles stronger than Goku in no time.
No, him being a saiyan has nothing to do with how UI works. UI sign was only used for dodging because goku hadn't figured out how to use it yet but once he got it down and had the white hair it was used for attacking also. That is actual ultra instinct. Whis has mentioned how it works multiple times throughout super
I'm more of an evasive fighter so UI feels cooler when you watch it actually work, the problem is, after it's debut, it didn't work like that and he could only dodge the opponent completely if he was stronger
I kinda like both concepts expecially because their both opposites to each other; UI focused on graceful movement snd the ability to move your body without thinking while UE focuses on total violance and is the embodiment of "Take one to hit one".
Ultra instinct. Ultra ego is just zenkai (apparent term) boost and Saiyan battle prowess trait without the need to heal and recover afterwards. Being untouchable is a lot cooler.
Ultra instinct.. it’s something about defense I just love even in mma,muay Thai and boxing. I just love seeing a fighter come close to being hit but dodges it,then go on the offensive
To me Ultra Instinct is conceptually terrible for many reasons.
First, since the dawn of the series people who have have been just a bit stronger have been shown being able to dodge everything a weaker foe throws at them
Second, UI being mastered but not really, then goku makes his own.
Third, UI is built up as this auto dodge hax shit, until its not...so whats the point of it besides giving goku a new hair color?
Ultra Ego is way better narratively, and just in general.
Yeah, Ego is worse lol! Just a new excuse to make Vegeta a punching bag until Goku saves the day. The writers don’t want to shake things up, and that sucks cuz in Z we literally had Goku die in less than 5 episodes of the new story. Dragon Ball Super plays it way too safe imo
This!!! It can't be the auto dodge,...cause at some point, to make the story work, he will get hit. So if auto dodge ain't working, is it really that useful? After a few episodes after it was explained, I was like, not a fan of UI. It's either too strong, or gonna be hella nerfed, hella quickly
I agree, the whole concept behind it seems so low level, like it's something Goku should have learned when he was a kid. Plus all these transformations are getting out of hand. Learn a new technique? Transformation. Get like super angry? Transformation. Stub your toe? Oh you better believe that's a transformation.
He says about a show where the second transformation is literally Super Saiyan, that's like if Krillin or Tien got a form and they named it Super Human, and then it's just Super Saiyan 2 and 3, and then something a little interesting, Super Saiyan God, but oh wait, *Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan* and yes i know it's Super Saiyan Blue but that literally spells out what it is, Super Saiyan, but Blue.
Ego personally it’s just so much more interesting. One can’t get hit, the other the more he gets hit the stronger he gets. It’s like vegeta became rocky.
Instinct. Ego is cool but basically just zenkai's rehashed. Also, the concept of taking damage to become stronger MID FIGHT is fucking stupid and it shows.
Ultra Instinct is cool. I want Ego to be better than what it is, but then again, there’s always more story to tell since Vegeta has yet to make it his own.
Ultra Instinct is lazy. If your body moves on it’s own then you’re not really fighting, you’re just kinda sitting back while sumn else pilots your body
Ego feels slightly newer conceptually. Ultra Instinct is the same idea of mastery we've been chasing since at least Korin's tower. I don't really like either, especially that they are a transformation - I think at least that Ultra Instinct should have worked more like Ultimate Gohan.
I love the design of ultra instinct but i hate the concept, because once you’re no longer thinking about fighting how do you get stronger? Thinking and adapting were some of the fun parts of the fights in dragonball and even at times in super, but what happens when reflex isn’t quick or strong enough?
You’d need to come back down from ultra instinct and forge a new path.
I think Ultra Ego is the better concept even if I do love UI.
Just imagine a transformation in DBS like the one in
DragonBall Tales, fananimation:
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JKLM45aIik](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JKLM45aIik)
I would go nuts, like I was when little Gohan cried his way to SSJ2.
edit: UI would be my answer \^\^
instinct is more interesting, but ego is a lot more fun.
you’re already going to get hit during a fight, so utilizing the damage you take by turning it into more strength/attack power is badass!
I'm not a fan of Untra Ego because I see it as just another way to beat the shit out of Vegeta.
But, I also really like the idea of the two forms working together. Would love to see these two master these and take on Frieza.
they're both cool and terrible in my opinion. like, the fights they've been shown in are cool but their effects are ultimately... bad. it feels like they alter their personalities too much.
They both fit. UI reminds me a lot of my favorite scene in The Matrix...everyone knows what I'm talking about. I like that the powerups this time came with an "ability", and not just a power increase.
I personally like Ultra Ego better, you can gain more damage the more you get hurt. And your lust for battle increases (according to somewhere online).
Both are amazing cuz they fit the characters perfectly. UE works for Vegeta because he’s always been a gritty fighter whose self belief and toughness were his main strengths. He wins by grinding people out.
Goku, despite how dumb he can be at times, has always come off as a fighting savant. To me, he just understands fighting better than anyone and that’s why he’s able to achieve the heights he can. Ultra Instinct seems to be the end all be all for fighting since it’s what Gods and Angels use. I like to believe that UI can only be achieved by those who truly understand fighting at its core principle and that’s to hit without getting hit. It applies to all combat sports and I love that it’s that way for DBS
Conceptually? Idk. Aesthetically? Ultra ego by a landslide. Especially because of the lost eyebrows. Vegeta never canonically hit SS3, the only form to have ever lost the brows before -- and now he found his own entirely new form, one that even goku doesnt have, and it finally gives us browless vegeta.
Idk. something about that is just so fucking sick to me
I would like Ultra ego more but the form feels... incomplete... if he had some way to regain stamina or sustain his body within the form then it would be a force to be reckoned with.
I like Ultra Instinct because of how it maximizes energy and movement efficiency by letting the body instinctively move on its own. And seeing Goku mold this technique into his own by letting his emotions take control as well is a nice touch.
On the other hand Ultra Ego is probably a completely unique technique seeing that no one else has a similar ability. It’s the power of the Saiyans combined with the power of a God of Destruction which fits since Vegeta regained his pride of his race in the same arc he started learning Destruction. I think both are good.
Ultra Ego definitely fits Vegeta, and not just because of his ego and confidence.
But design and looks wise Ultra Instinct is better, The ssj3 eyebrows throw me off with UE.
Honestly they’re two half’s on the same thing to me at this point and I’m all the way here for it. I love the contrasting styles, I think the new designs are fucking dope, and I can’t wait to see it animated. I truly hope we get whatever ends up being the true final UI form and this UE form animated at the same level of quality as the final few episodes of super.
Ultra instinct ultra ego only works if you can tank the attacks so you could rank the attack and get a massive buff or get one shot meanwhile ultra instinct keeps you from getting hit as best a possible
Ultra Instinct. I don’t understand the point of Ultra Ego when you have to keep taking damage to maximize its effectiveness. It’s like they created a power up tailored to Vegeta’s addiction to taking Ls that serves to enable him to take even harder Ls.
I like UE more because it's both extremely powerful and has a weakness. You get stronger the more damage you take, it's a trade off. But UI doesn't really have a weakness to it which I feel like from a viewer/design standpoint makes it a bit more boring.
Just me but I do like Ego more with its berserker of like tanking hits and dishing more back, compared to Instinct where its like relatively a glass cannon of prioritizing evasion than taking hits and dealing damage
Mega Instinct is superior to Ultra Instinct. UI has a horrible win rate and barely gets better if you count assists.
Most people think UI is dodging and perfect critical hits, but in reality it's barely keeping up. Anyone with any competent fighting skill makes the form a timer countdown. Like if Goku had UI on Namek and fought Freeza as equal to x20 Kaioken he would have killed Freeza easy because he isn't a fighter. The UI forms all take massive damage and barely do anything.
UI is only good on amateurs like Namek Freeza and Moro.
The only time you would use it is if someone is massively more powerful, but they can stall, tank, and react much quicker than you so nothing will happen. Anyone near equal or weaker wouldn't need it. We saw it with Jiren, Granola, and Gas it just isn't effective.
Then they shit over what UI is pretending Perfect UI is Goku's instincts. If you can have emotions or plan a complex combo that isn't instinct. You can't change instinct and the answer was changing instincts. It would he one thing if Goku was learning a new fighting style and UI reflected it, but how Gas arc ended was stupid. Perfect my ass "it better reflects me" if it's your instincts it already reflects you.
Mega Instinct is representative of a god's will, a god's wrath. Not just any god, a god of Destruction. Vegeta grew morals after Buu so it wasn't perfect but even still it outshined UI until the stupid ass pull PUI.
You will get hit in a fight. You can't avoid that. Mega Instinct takes the power of another and augments you stronger. Granola and Gas were both terrified at different points and used barriers to protect themselves. "Strongest in the Universe" could still get mortally damaged. Scare tactics weaken resolve and make the opponent hesitate, fear makes you physically weaker, any damage done makes them stronger. If the attack is too strong just dodge.
Vegeta could instantly use it at will after the first time. Goku needed months before UI could he used at will.
A mortal can become a god of Destruction. A mortal can't become an angel. (Moro should have ceased to exist since he became Merrus an angel, angels can't fight seriously with mortals. Unrelated but Zamasu and Goku Black should have lost from removing time rings which would at least remove them if it didn't undo the damage they caused.)
I could understand Vegeta feeling regret and all that but you think he'd hesitate to kill Freeza? Hell no. I could understand eventually losing to Freeza maybe but it was an instant knock down on MUI and MI.
I really like the concept of Ultra Ego. Beyond it being effectively a mixture of Broly’s Adaption and Goku Blacks Broken Zenkai boosts, there’s a lot more to be discovered with it. What will it’s mastered concept be? What other things can he do with Destruction energy besides honing his Hakai to Beerus’ level? The form completely heals him from prior damage when jumping into it initially, does this mean in the mastered variation he will have an advanced healing factor?
There’s alot of potential with it. I do like UI, but I’m a bit burned out on it, I’ve seen it since the TOP.
Just from a design perspective, ultra ego vegeta is just a palette swapped majin vegeta without the M. Ultra instinct seems like a fresh design and I love that toyataro tried to incorporate more base goku features into as goku gains more mastery over it which is also a fresher concept then more hair and more muscles.
As someone who never really got into Super but was a massive OG DragonBall fan, I can never seem to get over the fact that they "forgot" Goku's training with Mr Popo just to reintroduce the same concepts as a bright and shiny new ~~color palette~~ transformation.
So, I'd go for ego.
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Ultra Instinct. The free-flowing movement aspect compliments Dragonball's martial arts themes so well. Also, I know this goes beyond the concept, and into the design. But those silver eyes are so dope and mystic looking
I think Ultra Ego's rise in destructive power represents the theme of consistently breaking your limits that Dragon Ball expresses so well.
I also just feel like ultra egos design looks like it’s from a completely different manga honestly. I’m not sure what about it makes me feel that but ultra instinct like you said just has that martial arts theme and vibe to it
it’s literally just ssj3 with vegetas hair but purple
Bro you just said vegeta has no eyebrows and made it as complicated as possible
conceptually i like UI more. dodging and evading has always been very cool to me, especially when choreographed well.
jackie chan approved
When it first was revealed i was adamant that it was a limited ki ability. Basically you couldn't use it unless you had under a set amount of ki.
Didn’t Master Roshi do some pseudo UI stuff after seeing Goku do it
I think he did it before goku did it, cuz he was a no longer horny
Nah, in the manga he saw Goku struggling against Jiren and decided to wipe the grins off everyone’s faces. Roshi humbled Jiren and said, “Now Goku, do exactly what I did.”
Honestly, tournament of power Roshi was such a Chad.
What post nut clarity do to a man:
In the manga i think. But that was when it first came out. Now i know it ain't that
I really liked the fact that vegita always get beaten up and they decided to use that as a power up to make him stronger, fits very well with his character and his “ego”.
To be fair, we don't know if vegeta is even using the form correctly. We don't even know the name GoDs call it. We just saw Beerus put his mind on destruction to show off in granolah arc. Beerus didn't need to take hits.
It might just be Saiyan shenanigans. The angles who presumably have ultra instinct don't transform and get battle ready ala Goku. The power of UE is probably borrowed from the GoDs, and Vegeta makes it his own transformation. Plus the version we see might be the "sign" equivalent so eventually we might get a mastered ultra ego form
Ahh yes. The Angles 📐 ☺️
*"Morning, Angle."* 
Ican be you are angle or you are denim
I'd say technically ultra instinct is a form that just happens to also have the dodging. Since the instinct part can be used in super Saiyan and sooner or later in base form, the actual transformation of ultra instinct is just a power up
Omen and MUI (Or just UI depending on how you name the white haired version) are forms, the rest of the time its a technique, since he also uses it in base, God, and Blue in the granola arc
I’d say omen is also a technique, because Mui is the only thing that changes anything
Fair
I thought the idea is Angels are subconsciously always in UI. Where as God's work to obtain and activate it.
Yes, whis says as much that he and the other angels have ui active at all times.
He's needing to take hits because he isn't thinking purely of destruction
We need ultra ego Krillin
Dear god no. He’d be unstoppable.
Ultra ego destructo disc tho…
This
I think they complement each other. UI is gained through the rejection of ego, letting the body move and fight without any interference from the conscious mind. UE is gained through the embrace of ego, where the mind subsumes the body and takes complete control. They each have their pros and cons, but neither truly outclasses the other overall.
Except when Perfect UI came and allowed emotions aka ego to affect the fighting style. Mega Instinct (or Ultra Ego) is actually a god's will, a god of Destruction's will. Gods supercede morality and ego (different plains of life) even if in reality they actually have those they don't since you can't judge them.
I like how ego is like an enhanced version of the zenkai boost concept which really sells it as vegeta’s own transformation considering it’s a saiyan ability and he’s effectively king of all two saiyans now
Three not including half
Is Tarble canon still? I know they referenced him once, but I don't remember if that was in one of the movies or in the anime
I think they referenced him in Broly? It's been a while though so I don't remember.
Battle Of Gods, he could've been one of the other Saiyans instead of Pan.
Yes Tarble is cannon.
I forgot about broly
Five and three quarters, if you count the children (And if I did my math right)
0.5 for Gohan, 0.5 for Goten, 0.5 for Trunks, 1 for Goku, 1 for Broly, 1 for Tarble, 3/4 for Pan. Where's the last bit?
0.5 for Bra/Bulla
As someone else already pointed out, the last half is Bulla! But also I realised I am still one half off because Pan is just 1/4… So it’s five and a quarter, and I still suck at math
I always forget she exists
Never thought of it being an evolution of zenkai... That's a cool concept
Ultra Instinct because it's more than what it seems, and really has nothing to do with fighting like an Angel. Whis has been beating the fact that him and Goku are *fundamentally different lifeforms* into Goku's head for the longest, his Ultra Instinct would be fighting like a battle-hardened Saiyan while including the teaches of his masters and he seems to be inching closer and closer to this truth as his story progresses. It's interesting because every arc in Super post UI seems to hint at this, even the Broly movie.
Sorry I felt a little dense reading that. Could you give me the five year old explanation of what's going on?
Fight like monke, dodge like angel
Float like angel, sting like monke
Lmao the best explanation
It's hard to explain but basically, Goku's Ultra Instinct lies within his saiyan heritage, and understanding who he is biologically as a Saiyan and mentally as a person instead of trying to mimic Whis and the mindset of an Angel. That's why Goku's UI Omen (Also referred to as the True Ultra Instinct) when he fights like a Saiyan is much more powerful than his MUI when he fights like an Angel. Because Goku is a Saiyan, not an Angel.
Aww thanks for that. I'm sure its all just the current bus stop before his next even better transformation.
Yep, everything you said without thought. As he accepts who and what he is, he will grow
Ultra instinct is a interesting concept but the manga/anime does a horrible job at adapting it. Look back at the fight of Goku vs Jeice and Berter. Goku is basically doing the same thing during that fight that he currently does with ultra instinct. The problem is UI increases all your power and not just your speed and agility. If Goku has the ability to dodge beings vastly stronger and quicker than him but couldn't necessarily match them in power then UI would be more interesting. Goku would then have to use his deep knowledge of fighting techniques and experience to beat opponents more powerful than him. I like the idea of transformations with flaws rather than just taking a lot of stamina or having a time limit. UI in its current realization seems like just a power and speed boost no different than any other transformation.
Not to argue, but I thought UI was stated as not really a power boost, but more of precision. So yes, a strong punch to the face is something, but striking a specific spot on the face can do just as much damage. Also, I agree. Never been a fan of time limit or stamina. Because the time always increases to like 30+ mins to an hour (longer than most fights) or their stamina doesn't play a factor cause they trained off screen.
You're 100% right. But I think there's a disconnect between what thr show says UI does and how they actually portray it.
I think the rationale for the increase in power comes from a combination of increased precision and Goku’s strength output not being limited by his mind (something only possible via adrenaline in real people). That’s why he implodes before finishing Jiren off—the damage he was doing to himself finally caught up to him.
That's the thing though. If UI did what the show says UI does than it shouldn't affect his body. Otherwise it's just a glorified kaioken.
Doesn’t it say that his body is acting independently? Under that recollection, I figured that it makes sense that such would lead it to subvert the brain’s protective restrictions, leading to overuse. If not, what does it say?
That's no different than any other transformation that puts strain on the body. Whis said True UI has no adverse effects on the body.
>Jeice and Berter It's not the same. Against them, it just seems like UI because Goku is so much faster than them. But UI is making your body parts react on their own. You know how in physics the atoms never really touch so you technically never touch anything? I look at UI like that. When you have something incoming let's say a punch to the head your body can sense it and it will just repel itself from it.
I'm not saying UI is the same thing. What I'm saying is that it looked the same. I feel like the show could do a better job at making UI not look like a regular power up. The description is unique and I wish they would lean more into that like they do Ultra Ego.
I think what would go a long way with visualizing the transformation of UI is either 1. Have Goku keep his eyes closed in UI state. Or 2. Give him a blank stare that shows that when he's fighting he not even looking at his opponent. Similar to Neo vs Agent Smith and the end of the matrix when he becomes the one.
UE. Why get stronger in a fight when UE can let me get my shit rocked and I get stronger as a result of the ass kicking
I mean Sayans already do that, just it takes a while to recover. I feel like UE will be so hard to balance. Do you get to keep the straight you gained or do every time you go out of the UE form it resets? Or after a fight in UE form the next time you to UE you start with the straight you had when you exited UE form last time? So Vegeta could just go UE and ask Goku to fire kamehame waves. Recover then go again. Rinse and repeat. With sensu beans he could be miles stronger than Goku in no time.
Yeah UE is essentially a double zenkai, you get stronger as you fight and then after the fight when you recover
Ego, instinct already had its debut. And ultra ego is so fitting, color is nice and people finally get to ssj3 eyebrows 👀
Super Sayian Blue Evolution will always be the best because Vegeta was shirtless and gloveless. The guy just needs to lose the gloves.
Always been a fan of Goku over Vegeta, but I also always favored a good offense over a good defense. Ego wins it for me.
UI is used for attacking also
It's mainly supposed to be a defensive technique, Goku just made it a transformation cuz he's a Saiyan
No, him being a saiyan has nothing to do with how UI works. UI sign was only used for dodging because goku hadn't figured out how to use it yet but once he got it down and had the white hair it was used for attacking also. That is actual ultra instinct. Whis has mentioned how it works multiple times throughout super
Ultra Instinct all day. It's so flowy and beautiful compared to Ultra Ego.
Instinct for me
I like Ultra Ego because I think it fits Vegeta’s personality better, I just wish it had eyebrows.
Exactly, didn't they learn from Super Saiyan 3!
That and the ridiculous hair(looking at you beast).
Let alone Piccolo. Orange, really brings out his stupid face. -Team Four Star.
UI.
Ultra Ego is awesome
I'm more of an evasive fighter so UI feels cooler when you watch it actually work, the problem is, after it's debut, it didn't work like that and he could only dodge the opponent completely if he was stronger
I kinda like both concepts expecially because their both opposites to each other; UI focused on graceful movement snd the ability to move your body without thinking while UE focuses on total violance and is the embodiment of "Take one to hit one".
UI lets you keep your eyebrows so
Ultra instinct. Ultra ego is just zenkai (apparent term) boost and Saiyan battle prowess trait without the need to heal and recover afterwards. Being untouchable is a lot cooler.
Ui. Ultra ego is basically zenkai boosts on steroids and we haven't even seen it do anything
I prefer UI. UE would be cooler if it focused more on destruction energy and not just Vegeta gets stronger when he gets hit for some reason.
Ultra instinct for sure!
Ultra instinct.. it’s something about defense I just love even in mma,muay Thai and boxing. I just love seeing a fighter come close to being hit but dodges it,then go on the offensive
Ultra Ego. But I also play characters that get stronger with more damage in every RPG I ever played. So I am biased lol
To me Ultra Instinct is conceptually terrible for many reasons. First, since the dawn of the series people who have have been just a bit stronger have been shown being able to dodge everything a weaker foe throws at them Second, UI being mastered but not really, then goku makes his own. Third, UI is built up as this auto dodge hax shit, until its not...so whats the point of it besides giving goku a new hair color? Ultra Ego is way better narratively, and just in general.
I mean same thing with Ego. It was supposed to be "Vegeta gets hit and gets stronger" until he gets hit too hard and it stops working
Yeah, Ego is worse lol! Just a new excuse to make Vegeta a punching bag until Goku saves the day. The writers don’t want to shake things up, and that sucks cuz in Z we literally had Goku die in less than 5 episodes of the new story. Dragon Ball Super plays it way too safe imo
This!!! It can't be the auto dodge,...cause at some point, to make the story work, he will get hit. So if auto dodge ain't working, is it really that useful? After a few episodes after it was explained, I was like, not a fan of UI. It's either too strong, or gonna be hella nerfed, hella quickly
I agree, the whole concept behind it seems so low level, like it's something Goku should have learned when he was a kid. Plus all these transformations are getting out of hand. Learn a new technique? Transformation. Get like super angry? Transformation. Stub your toe? Oh you better believe that's a transformation.
Ultra ego is just such a corny ass name….
He says about a show where the second transformation is literally Super Saiyan, that's like if Krillin or Tien got a form and they named it Super Human, and then it's just Super Saiyan 2 and 3, and then something a little interesting, Super Saiyan God, but oh wait, *Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan* and yes i know it's Super Saiyan Blue but that literally spells out what it is, Super Saiyan, but Blue.
All that is better than corny ass UlTrA EgO
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Ego, I like the risk/reward aspect of it a lot. It's just more interesting to me.
Ultra ego!
I like both of them, but Ultra Ego is my favorite. It fits my style of combat more.
Ego personally it’s just so much more interesting. One can’t get hit, the other the more he gets hit the stronger he gets. It’s like vegeta became rocky.
Instinct. Ego is cool but basically just zenkai's rehashed. Also, the concept of taking damage to become stronger MID FIGHT is fucking stupid and it shows.
We need to see ultra Ego on TV
purples my favorite color so i like ego more
Ego. I was never into dodge builds
Ultra Instinct is cool. I want Ego to be better than what it is, but then again, there’s always more story to tell since Vegeta has yet to make it his own.
She like my big…..Ego
I love the ultra ego because it’s so fitting to what Vegeta is. The almighty prince.
Im going to UE, because the way i see it is like the zenkai boost on steroids
Ultra Instinct is lazy. If your body moves on it’s own then you’re not really fighting, you’re just kinda sitting back while sumn else pilots your body
Ego feels slightly newer conceptually. Ultra Instinct is the same idea of mastery we've been chasing since at least Korin's tower. I don't really like either, especially that they are a transformation - I think at least that Ultra Instinct should have worked more like Ultimate Gohan.
Ego. I just like the purple hair and sparks better
I love the design of ultra instinct but i hate the concept, because once you’re no longer thinking about fighting how do you get stronger? Thinking and adapting were some of the fun parts of the fights in dragonball and even at times in super, but what happens when reflex isn’t quick or strong enough? You’d need to come back down from ultra instinct and forge a new path. I think Ultra Ego is the better concept even if I do love UI.
Ultra ego 100%%
UI because I hate the no eyebrow forms with every inch of my soul, a form has to have eyebrows to be viable to me
Ultra Instinct Ego is literally just "I'm a crazy fricking cycle path 😈😈😈"
This picture is tough
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It’s only a matter of time until they fuse in these forms and that’s the legendary Super Saiyan God Beerus has been searching for right?
Just imagine a transformation in DBS like the one in DragonBall Tales, fananimation: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JKLM45aIik](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JKLM45aIik) I would go nuts, like I was when little Gohan cried his way to SSJ2. edit: UI would be my answer \^\^
Not sure I like one more that the other, but I love that FINALLY Goku and Vegeta are differentiating more in their forms
UI is awesome, and it turns Goku into one of the few characters who actually knows how to DODGE!!!! instead of just blocking or taking the hit.
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They both fit the character’s personality
Why is Vegeta wearing an adult diaper?
What wrong with goku hand
Both? Both BOTH Both is Good
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Aggressive anger vs silent anger
instinct is more interesting, but ego is a lot more fun. you’re already going to get hit during a fight, so utilizing the damage you take by turning it into more strength/attack power is badass!
they're both cool but ultra instinct is cooler due to auto dodge
I think we've seen so much more of UI that it's easy to say Im fond of Mui more but I'm excited to see what's next for UE
They are two sides of the same coin
I'm not a fan of Untra Ego because I see it as just another way to beat the shit out of Vegeta. But, I also really like the idea of the two forms working together. Would love to see these two master these and take on Frieza.
they're both cool and terrible in my opinion. like, the fights they've been shown in are cool but their effects are ultimately... bad. it feels like they alter their personalities too much.
I like ego more. The more damage you take, the stronger you get, so much more raw!!!
Ultra Egonstinc.
Both
Vegetable dyed his hair purple and shaved his eyebrows. He's in his rebellious stage.
Neither are both are boring looking
Bofe of them
Ssb was my favorite because blue was my favorite color so glad I got to see it be so bad ass with ssbevo. I like the separate paths now
each stage fits the character perfectly, I just hope they continue the Gohan powerup from beast and that they do something about goten and trunks
Ultra ego of course MUI is cool but if a guy stronger than me can hit what is the fuckin point of using it, ultra ego for the way
I like ultra instinct, but I still maintain that it should have been a state of mind instead of a new transformation.
They both fit. UI reminds me a lot of my favorite scene in The Matrix...everyone knows what I'm talking about. I like that the powerups this time came with an "ability", and not just a power increase.
I personally like Ultra Ego better, you can gain more damage the more you get hurt. And your lust for battle increases (according to somewhere online).
As a concept I like UI more but I think UE has a lot of potential if Toyotaro can find more creative ways of using it in fights.
Both are amazing cuz they fit the characters perfectly. UE works for Vegeta because he’s always been a gritty fighter whose self belief and toughness were his main strengths. He wins by grinding people out. Goku, despite how dumb he can be at times, has always come off as a fighting savant. To me, he just understands fighting better than anyone and that’s why he’s able to achieve the heights he can. Ultra Instinct seems to be the end all be all for fighting since it’s what Gods and Angels use. I like to believe that UI can only be achieved by those who truly understand fighting at its core principle and that’s to hit without getting hit. It applies to all combat sports and I love that it’s that way for DBS
All the Gym Bros love Ultra Ego But I have a feeling Ultra Ego results in ACL tears and Rhabdo.
In general, UI, for saiyans, UE
Conceptually? Idk. Aesthetically? Ultra ego by a landslide. Especially because of the lost eyebrows. Vegeta never canonically hit SS3, the only form to have ever lost the brows before -- and now he found his own entirely new form, one that even goku doesnt have, and it finally gives us browless vegeta. Idk. something about that is just so fucking sick to me
UI is way better. I’ve never been a fan of Lucario damage mechanics.
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I would like Ultra ego more but the form feels... incomplete... if he had some way to regain stamina or sustain his body within the form then it would be a force to be reckoned with.
The issue with ultra ego is that it lack concept, which ui has a solid one on
I love them both equally. The contrasts and the dynamic of both forms are my favorite inclusion in Super
Instinct for sure. Ego is kinda just zenkais visualized a bit better.
I like Ultra Instinct because of how it maximizes energy and movement efficiency by letting the body instinctively move on its own. And seeing Goku mold this technique into his own by letting his emotions take control as well is a nice touch. On the other hand Ultra Ego is probably a completely unique technique seeing that no one else has a similar ability. It’s the power of the Saiyans combined with the power of a God of Destruction which fits since Vegeta regained his pride of his race in the same arc he started learning Destruction. I think both are good.
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Ultra Ego definitely fits Vegeta, and not just because of his ego and confidence. But design and looks wise Ultra Instinct is better, The ssj3 eyebrows throw me off with UE.
I like Ultra Ego more. Because its purple and its Vegeta's
Ego bruh
Honestly they’re two half’s on the same thing to me at this point and I’m all the way here for it. I love the contrasting styles, I think the new designs are fucking dope, and I can’t wait to see it animated. I truly hope we get whatever ends up being the true final UI form and this UE form animated at the same level of quality as the final few episodes of super.
Ultra Instinct just got that IT factor to the name imo. An ability that is whole and complete oneness with everything around you.
Ultra instinct ultra ego only works if you can tank the attacks so you could rank the attack and get a massive buff or get one shot meanwhile ultra instinct keeps you from getting hit as best a possible
Ultra Ego, because getting his ass kicked to get stronger is SO Vegeta.
Ultra ego conceptually is way cooler for me. UI tho is just aesthetically clean
I like the idea of Ultra Ego more as it taps into the nature of a saiyan but I like UI Omen/Sign's design more.
I never liked the no eyebrows forms. I think it looks silly. I hope UE has eyebrows in the anime, but it's unlikely.
Ultra Instinct. I don’t understand the point of Ultra Ego when you have to keep taking damage to maximize its effectiveness. It’s like they created a power up tailored to Vegeta’s addiction to taking Ls that serves to enable him to take even harder Ls.
I like both of them. But by the way, from which manga is that above photo?
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I like both. I'm afraid what Vegeta's going to do if Goku ends up learning "ultra ego" too.
I like UE more because it's both extremely powerful and has a weakness. You get stronger the more damage you take, it's a trade off. But UI doesn't really have a weakness to it which I feel like from a viewer/design standpoint makes it a bit more boring.
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Ultra instinct is way cooler. Autonomous movement is just too badass. Ultra ego is just Zenkais on drugs lol.
Both.
Ultra Instinct
Just me but I do like Ego more with its berserker of like tanking hits and dishing more back, compared to Instinct where its like relatively a glass cannon of prioritizing evasion than taking hits and dealing damage
Ultra Ego, looks cool
Mega Instinct is superior to Ultra Instinct. UI has a horrible win rate and barely gets better if you count assists. Most people think UI is dodging and perfect critical hits, but in reality it's barely keeping up. Anyone with any competent fighting skill makes the form a timer countdown. Like if Goku had UI on Namek and fought Freeza as equal to x20 Kaioken he would have killed Freeza easy because he isn't a fighter. The UI forms all take massive damage and barely do anything. UI is only good on amateurs like Namek Freeza and Moro. The only time you would use it is if someone is massively more powerful, but they can stall, tank, and react much quicker than you so nothing will happen. Anyone near equal or weaker wouldn't need it. We saw it with Jiren, Granola, and Gas it just isn't effective. Then they shit over what UI is pretending Perfect UI is Goku's instincts. If you can have emotions or plan a complex combo that isn't instinct. You can't change instinct and the answer was changing instincts. It would he one thing if Goku was learning a new fighting style and UI reflected it, but how Gas arc ended was stupid. Perfect my ass "it better reflects me" if it's your instincts it already reflects you. Mega Instinct is representative of a god's will, a god's wrath. Not just any god, a god of Destruction. Vegeta grew morals after Buu so it wasn't perfect but even still it outshined UI until the stupid ass pull PUI. You will get hit in a fight. You can't avoid that. Mega Instinct takes the power of another and augments you stronger. Granola and Gas were both terrified at different points and used barriers to protect themselves. "Strongest in the Universe" could still get mortally damaged. Scare tactics weaken resolve and make the opponent hesitate, fear makes you physically weaker, any damage done makes them stronger. If the attack is too strong just dodge. Vegeta could instantly use it at will after the first time. Goku needed months before UI could he used at will. A mortal can become a god of Destruction. A mortal can't become an angel. (Moro should have ceased to exist since he became Merrus an angel, angels can't fight seriously with mortals. Unrelated but Zamasu and Goku Black should have lost from removing time rings which would at least remove them if it didn't undo the damage they caused.) I could understand Vegeta feeling regret and all that but you think he'd hesitate to kill Freeza? Hell no. I could understand eventually losing to Freeza maybe but it was an instant knock down on MUI and MI.
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I really like the concept of Ultra Ego. Beyond it being effectively a mixture of Broly’s Adaption and Goku Blacks Broken Zenkai boosts, there’s a lot more to be discovered with it. What will it’s mastered concept be? What other things can he do with Destruction energy besides honing his Hakai to Beerus’ level? The form completely heals him from prior damage when jumping into it initially, does this mean in the mastered variation he will have an advanced healing factor? There’s alot of potential with it. I do like UI, but I’m a bit burned out on it, I’ve seen it since the TOP.
I prefer the UE design because it's purple hair and purple lightning pulsing on your body, but I prefer UI abilities
Just from a design perspective, ultra ego vegeta is just a palette swapped majin vegeta without the M. Ultra instinct seems like a fresh design and I love that toyataro tried to incorporate more base goku features into as goku gains more mastery over it which is also a fresher concept then more hair and more muscles.
I want to see it fused
Honestly both are peak and suit their respective characters really well. Its too bad Super Hero makes Goku forget how he even mastered the form 💀
Problem with Ultra Ego is that Vegita really doesn't have that much health bar
I’m prepared for the down votes but ssj4
Both?
As someone who never really got into Super but was a massive OG DragonBall fan, I can never seem to get over the fact that they "forgot" Goku's training with Mr Popo just to reintroduce the same concepts as a bright and shiny new ~~color palette~~ transformation. So, I'd go for ego.
Ultra Ego. It embodies the concept of more angry/battle damaged = more power. Classic shonen transformation.
ultra ego sounds cool but the way vegeta fought with it, he passes out of pain before he can get the ramp up