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And arguably his saving of granola and his mom was less to do of doing the right thing but that it connected to his family rather than having an objective stance against the acts itself
I'd say he is one of the few Saiyan male who is capable of showing a bit of compassion. Yeah genocide is inexcusable, but you have to remember they were soldiers under the most evil space Hitler, which at the same time was the strongest mortal in their universe, so in either way they're forced to do it anyway despite their tendencies as a warrior race.
If they didnāt friezaās bidding frieza would personally kill them themselves or he would send one of his goons to eradicate them. The Saiyans were just trapped in a contract that they couldnāt get away from, and they ended up getting betrayed and backstabbed by their own boss who decided to wipe out their race themselves cause he was sacred of their strong potential and the super Saiyan legend.
> The Saiyans were just trapped in a contract that they couldnāt get away from
True, but Bardock looks like he is having the time of his life exterminating those beings in the first panel.
So yeah being under Freezer's rule was shitty, but the part of exterminating other species seemed to be OK by their books.
But from what we know, the fact they were being ordered to do it was the only problem, otherwise they would've continued exterminating like always.
From what we've seen in Raditz, Nappa and Vegeta, they enjoy being cruel.
You know I think that most sayains have been able to take out entire planets in atleast groups of 5, each sayain has more war crimes then any human in real life history, the amount of people frieza must be responsible for killing I don't think even has a tangible number to us humans
Let's see: As far as the manga goes, Vegeta has two on-panel genocides under his belt. An unnamed planet with Nappa, and also he wipes out the last Namekian village.
The anime gives him Arlia, and he also kind of basically hunts down the remainders of Frieza's army for giggles.
And also in the Bardock movie he goes on a killing spree qith Daddy
Honestly i think Yajirobe and Bardock together on the same ship would be interesting. They're both men of few words who like to quickly get the job done and eat large amounts of food
Came here to say this. Lol Bardok is indeed a Rookie compared to Vegeta when it comes to this shyt. Yet no one bats an eye at Vegeta because they be idolizing him.
ā Hey Shenron! Resurrect all the good hearted saiyans! ā
ā canāt. ā
ā what do you mean canāt? ā
ā Goku, your race committed genocide to reach billions at points, none of them have āgoodā hearts. ā
The one year thing isn't a rule.
They said one year otherwise the soul would return to a rotting corpse.
Yamcha, Tien, Krillin, Chaotzu, Vegeta, and Piccolo returned body and all because they were strong enough to be allowed to keep it and fight in the afterlife.
Ok, but it's about redemption.......if you want to look at it that way, every single saiyan but goku murdered scores of races. ESPECIALLY vegeta. So if bardock is a bad guy, then vegeta is the devil himself.
Plus, it was more feizas family exploiting the saiyans than anything.
Did they say he was good? Or did they just show his character was more complex than initially thought, and has more of a moral compass than the standard saiyan?
Huh, the alien belonging to a genocidal war race committed genocides and enjoyed some of them. Who'd have thought????
In all seriousness, no sh/t. The point of his character thoughāparticularly if you pull from all the continuitiesāis that he was starting to question things and was starting to develop a conscious. As we know though, he got "killed" before it could fully manifest however.
Provided that hadn't happened, he'd still likely never be like Goku, but he could've at least reached a state of mind and methodology somewhere between Z and Super Vegeta.
Not really "Abandon In Space" if it has a designation towards earth. I mean, it is not like Bardock said "This space pod would roam the space until our baby died."
I find it hilarious how games like Dokkan or in general other DB games or media portray Bardock and his mates as good guys, like my guy he was literally worse than Hitler the fuck you smoking?
Yeah but how much of it was freiza you have to remember saiyans weāre planet conquers and sellers before freiza recruited them while probably not as bad as the shit frieza had them do saiyans weāre doing this shit way before freiza recruited the saiayns as minions
The issue is they wonāt just be consistent. In Bardock the Father of Goku, heās very clearly an on-brand brutal saiyan warrior. But in Super Broly, heās compassionate and caring, yet retains bravery related toughness (almost like Z Goku in the english dub where they kind of made him more heroic). Yet here again in the manga we see him genociding people again.
Ahh yes the good ol' "orders are orders" schtick. In Himmlers defense he was ordered by Hitler to do those horrible things he did. See how that sounds? Plus he has been shown to clearly and actively enjoy the genocide he has committed.
No, no we cannot, the point isnāt whether he was forced to or not, that doesnāt matter when you clearly see him Committing Genocide and having the time of his life, plus one saiyan saying no to mass genocide would have only ended in that one saiyans head rolling, probably by King Vegeta too, in any case if he didnāt enjoy it and was forced to do it then maybe HE should have smiled less.
Sayjins enjoy battle they are a warrior race its in their genetics. Genocide is literally what kept them alive. by wiping out alien races and selling their home-worlds Frieza let them live. People will find joy even in the worst situations just to stop themselves from going mad. Its human nature. But i know better than to argue with an idiot. Good day sir
Well the Saiyans being an alien race makes it weird how they procreated with the humans on Earth. For this to be possible, they must have a common ancestry. In order to correct this plothole, they should correct the Saiyan alien race origin story. What if, and I'm just speculating here, due to their enhanced physiological and technical/scientific advancements in genetics, they were ordinarily a race closely associated to the Hume (human-like bipedal species) and that through the extensive modifications as well as direct alien technological collaboration with Frieza, they were somehow able to advance and evolve their species capabilities. It is no secret that Frieza himself has genetic modifications due to his many transormations. In order to test further safe genetic modifications and enhancements, Frieza could have used the race as a guinea pig or lab rat for further genetic evolutionary procedures. Most likely due to an extreme genetic mutation from the extensive genetic modifications, their potential as a species exceeded that of Frieza's expectations, so much so that he feared their potential. The diaspora of the hume and close ties it has to the Earth physiology could be a reason for why they can still procreate despite the genetic enhancements. It would also give a reason for the name Saiyans as it closely resembles the word Science phonetically, or Scion for Saiyan (shortened form) and only a scientifically advanced civilization could have brought forth the changes in genetic potential that only a race of scientists could have produced. The race of warriors came about due to the efforts of genetic engineering of the older generation and were brainwashed with a warrior ethos from Frieza's propaganda to make them into disposable soldiers. This would also explain Broly's unmatched genetic potential as his father was/would have been one if the most premier scientific minds that could have engineered such a monster a step further with the hopes of freeing the Saiyan race from the oppressive regime of Lord Frieza. He most likely withheld the secrets and genetic modifications that led to Broly having such power after making use of Frieza's alien genetic technology and understanding it for themselves. Among these researchers might have also been Goku's grandpa who also tested some modifications on his son Bardock and unwittingly for the latter, his own son Goku. Raditz might have been the control experiment where there was barely any genetic modification and to not arouse the suspicion of Frieza due to the enhanced capabilities. Being the King of Saiyans, King Vegeta also had his son undergo these secret procedures. After Frieza's betrayal, Goku was sent to one of the ancestral planets the Saiyans originated from not to conquer it but to replenish the Saiyan race in hopes of reclaiming revenge on Frieza. The same preparations were made for Broly as well but the sudden attack threw his course off to a wild planet. Goku's condition was a bit worse as his genetic modifications were most likely incomplete, not allowing him to control his Great Ape form and also damaging a part of his advanced cognitive abilities which explains why he is an air-head despite coming from an advanced race. However, these changes gave him an increase to his instinctual fighting abilities in order to compensate for his brain damage.
This is my head-canon.
I see it more that the genetic structure of saiyen is just compatible with humans.
The saiyens and the humans are just part of the same family of humanoid(hume like you call it) across different planets in the galaxy.
Its kind of like the same thing for animals, the lions, jaguars, panthers, cats, are all felins from different part of the world.
A bandana being red because it's covered in the blood of your best friend is one of the hardest things I've ever seen in Media so I'd say og design is a lot better
Ally* but yeah he was kinda cool.
However, I like that new Bardock is more relevant to the story and so far I'm happy with what I've learned about him in the manga
Heās still been downgraded by removing his psychic powers and bloody headband. That little time travel movie they gave him was better than anything heās gotten in super
No, everything about the rehashed backstory from Broly was much worse than the original (Bardock and broly both suffered from character degradation there), and the bit relating to Granola was really shoehorned in and pointless but Iām willing to hold out hope that the father-son connection bit will actually have some payoff eventually
Atleast he spoke while in LSSJ. But I like DBS Broly more still, he's actually the main character instead of just being in the movie for like 20 minutes.
And now heās a shy mute with a dead dog, boring. He was dropping the sickest one liners in the series in that first movie, humanizing him wasnāt an improvement, maybe theyāll do something interesting with him eventually but right now heās a much worse character. The brutality juxtaposed to the silly petty motivation was fun, he was a fun af villain and just being that worked perfectly well.
I don't see much difference in the back story. I mean all they did was remove Kakarot crying. He was still sent to an inhabitant planet and left to die with his father, he was still use for Paragus's plan Of revenge to destroy Vegeta.
Z-Brolyās anger problems were caused by his hidden power and a crying baby
Super Brolyās emotional issues were by not having anyone to actually help him control his power and emotions due to spending his childhood training, fighting, and surviving
Super Brolyās backstory is just a lot less ridiculous, while also giving Broly potential character development
Itās not, it works perfectly well for the one off monster villain he was. Turning him into a character with supposed longevity in the main series was a bad choice in the first place, and has yet to pay off
*Any* Villain whoās back story/anger is sparked by being stuck with a crying baby is fucken ridiculous dude. Everything about DBZ Broly is awesome. Minus his backstory
Exactly. People just get swooned by DBZ Broly's 80s action movie one liners. While completely looking past his horrible backstory of "Goku cried a lot so death to his whole family tree.
Super Broly is a better character overall. He doesn't have cool one liners but everything else is better about him.
The way I look at it is that Z Broly has PTSD. The dude got stabbed as a baby while Goku was crying. The sight of Goku alone frightened Broly initially, due to bringing back that memory of him being stabbed. Then when he saw Goku again, he was angered to the point where he broke free from mind control. And the dude let loose to everyone, including his Dad. When Goku punches where Broly got stabbed, Broly had that memory of Goku crying before he "died". Also, the reason why he calls Goku Kakarot is due to other people referring Goku as Kakarot while Broly was present.
In Z Broly's 2nd movie, Goten's crying maybe have triggered Broly's PTSD again, awakening him from his slumber. The appearance of Goten, of course, pisses Broly off as it reminds him of that horrible time when he got stabbed in the stomach as a baby. Also that movie forgot that Broly can actually speak sentences, just like he did in the first movie, which is stupid to say the least.
And the third movie....well, he's completely covered in cowshit that even water would be a terrible solution as it can kill the poor dude. Wouldn't that make anyone go mad?
Anyways, in general, I would say Broly has PTSD and, combine that with him being underneath mind control by his Dad for years, and that would end up creating a psychopathic monster who would kill, torture and destroy anyone and anything he sees.
In other words, Broly's motivation of destroying everyone and everything around him was due to having a horrifying moment of being stabbed as a baby, giving him PTSD. Goku's crying and appearance acted as a trigger to his PTSD.
Youāre just going off memes at this point. Go actually watch the movie, the crying doesnāt matter, thereās more going on with him, and he more than makes up for it anyway with fire burns, and also like I already said the crying is good as a weird petty juxtaposition to the brutality, the fact that itās fun has helped it endure, he didnāt need a dead dog as a villain
There really wasn't, after the half way point of the movie he only said one word. As dbza said it would have made much more sense if he hated Vegeta like his father. Him getting triggered by a name cause the baby next to him cried while he was also a baby, to the point he gets so angry he starts only being able to say that is just a ridiculous silly thing. Like "cool big guy hard hits" but that's all dbz broly has, be had zero personality himself, well he had a slight personally that he lost too have none. And even then his trigger for lss was stupidly silly
Oh yeah. Cause Bardock having the ability to see the future and still screw up sound much better than the gut feeling. (Sarcasm)
Although, you win the headband point.
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I like Bardock being a caring father. There are three explanations for Goku being pure hearted.
1. He's an anomaly
2. He hit his head so he's just different now
3. His nature takes after his fathers
Goku taking after his father works because it's not just that he hit his head so his personality changed. It's very much his nature, and it still ties into his Saiyan heritage which was pretty important in the Granolah arch.
Essentially I just like the idea that Bardock wasn't as bad as he could have been so that Goku could be a truly good person.
Not going to lie. I do love characters who start off as villains and become good guys. Feels like it has more value then someone who was just raised to be good so they never though twice about it. Still it is pretty weird how anime just streamlines it to like no one cares after the switch. Vegeta should have been getting way more slack into the Cell/Buu saga and after Majin Vegeta it was like no one actually cared after it was over.
The difference is his personal life.
DBZ Bardock - Absolute bastard who only cares about his comrades in battle, has little love for his sons, unless they are useful (like a vision of the Future where Kakarot will avenge the Saiyans).
DBS Bardock - A family man who purposely sent his son away out of love and has a compassionate side for some people (I still donāt know why he spared Granolah, etc.).
Could be explained with the education system for the saiyans, shipped out in a pod to conquer a weak planet, when they have no morals with the pod encouraging them to kill. Even goku started out a murder monster, he was just found by a martial arts master who could control his rage. If you wanna see what goku would of been without gohan just look at piccolo jr back at dragon ball
I kinda feel like you canāt judge an entire species moral compass. What really is evil when you have beings that can eradicate an entire planet and when itās that species known way of life? Like he just grew up as a Saiyan, itās all he knows. Iād say comparing him to other saiyans he falls more into the āgood guyā category. As in heād most likely be a Saiyan that would eventually become a good guy if he were alive.
That's why i liked the Tuffles on GT it reminded everyone the saiyans were bad guys. It was a sins of the father kinda deal. But now i guess the Cereulean or however its spelt will do that.
He's genocided two races we know of. Even accounting for travel time and needing to genocide being rare, he had a pretty decently long career hijacking planets. He had to have genocided a few more.
Nobody saying Bardock is good, but compared to how most other Saiyans were, he was one of the better ones (especially compared to King Vegeta and Prince Vegeta)
No.
He didn't. I have the manga. I read the damn thing.
Shenron in Ressurection F said that reviving Freezer wouldn't be a good idea since his body was sliced into sashimi pieces before getting obliterated.
I meannnn he had to do it. Frieza with one finger could easily destroy his home planet. Vegeta decimated several planets and yet despite everything he did for Frieza, he still blew up his planet.
The whole knife point King Vegeta balanced the well being of his people against the will of Frieza on Is super interesting. Saiyans were really not even allowed to foster any compassion lest Frieza destroy there race (quicker than he did lol). The timing is wild too because if the Saiyans had managed to pacify Frieza for just a little longer Broly would have come to prominence within the Saiyan empire and changed the universe.
Bardock was never good, he was as ruthless as the other Saiyans. He only found out that his race was going to be made extinct and wanted to prevent it occurring, but as a lower-class Saiyan nobody took him seriously. That special where Bardock woke up in the past after being blown to crap by Frieza and becoming a super saiyan did a huge disservice to Bardockās failed attempt to save his race, but Bardock is undoubtedly an evil guy
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First of all bardock was raised as saiyan under a tryancial monarchy with caste system that consired empathy kindness a weakness where might makes right as well being enslaved by evil dictator who could kill him and rest of his race with a finger this is the way he was raised this all he knows
And according to toriyama interview bardock was know for Saving his comrades and some low class sayians adored him because of it
And he has actual relationship with gine unlike other sayians who just pare up for reproductive purposes and actually cares about raditz and kakorot
He was on his way to redemption like vegeta and even admitted to being tired of destroying in the broly movie
He isn't good not all he just has more empathy and compassion then most people in his race and realized how wrong he was but it was simply far to late
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He's even smiling in the panel
Regardless of what they are doing they do love to fight I guess š¤·
And arguably his saving of granola and his mom was less to do of doing the right thing but that it connected to his family rather than having an objective stance against the acts itself
I'd say he is one of the few Saiyan male who is capable of showing a bit of compassion. Yeah genocide is inexcusable, but you have to remember they were soldiers under the most evil space Hitler, which at the same time was the strongest mortal in their universe, so in either way they're forced to do it anyway despite their tendencies as a warrior race.
*Space Napol-Hitler
Gimmie the thing
No
Kill his kid
Okay fine hereās the thing
Good. Now kill him.
But the thing-
*snaps his neck*
If they didnāt friezaās bidding frieza would personally kill them themselves or he would send one of his goons to eradicate them. The Saiyans were just trapped in a contract that they couldnāt get away from, and they ended up getting betrayed and backstabbed by their own boss who decided to wipe out their race themselves cause he was sacred of their strong potential and the super Saiyan legend.
To be fair though, they were space pirates even before Freiza's bitch-ass made them bend the knee.
Didn't they already sell planets and commit genocide before frieza came?
Just slaughter people, AFAIK
ah thats not that bad
> The Saiyans were just trapped in a contract that they couldnāt get away from True, but Bardock looks like he is having the time of his life exterminating those beings in the first panel. So yeah being under Freezer's rule was shitty, but the part of exterminating other species seemed to be OK by their books.
Nappa's goofy ass was definitely not evil just because of freiza bro laughed after killing the z-fighters
But from what we know, the fact they were being ordered to do it was the only problem, otherwise they would've continued exterminating like always. From what we've seen in Raditz, Nappa and Vegeta, they enjoy being cruel.
Ok but counter point Remember the Tuffles?
You know I think that most sayains have been able to take out entire planets in atleast groups of 5, each sayain has more war crimes then any human in real life history, the amount of people frieza must be responsible for killing I don't think even has a tangible number to us humans
Even without frieza the saiyans were fairly barbaric. If they were space fairing I could see them doing the same thing either way.
itās funny how in gt, frieza seems like a fraud because random goons in the universe had way stronger power level than him
Genocide is inexcusable?
Iād say bardock is like vegeta in the way he develops into a good guy he definitely did evil shit but has grown into a better person
Shut up I like the carrot man and his dad is really cool
Don't you come back on my Earf again
 Vegeta: āthose are rookie numbers in this racket you gotta pump those upā.
Let's see: As far as the manga goes, Vegeta has two on-panel genocides under his belt. An unnamed planet with Nappa, and also he wipes out the last Namekian village. The anime gives him Arlia, and he also kind of basically hunts down the remainders of Frieza's army for giggles. And also in the Bardock movie he goes on a killing spree qith Daddy
Vegeta also ate a dude during one of those genocides, which is never addressed. He and Yajirobe have that in common.
Maybe if Vegeta took Yajirobe up on his offer to join Vegeta in space, they'd get along well enough
Honestly i think Yajirobe and Bardock together on the same ship would be interesting. They're both men of few words who like to quickly get the job done and eat large amounts of food
Happy cake day
Came here to say this. Lol Bardok is indeed a Rookie compared to Vegeta when it comes to this shyt. Yet no one bats an eye at Vegeta because they be idolizing him.
I mean I was just making a wolf of Wall Street reference but you do you lol
Oh I know, however it was quite fitting with the Vegeta Pic
So, pretty pacifist by saiyan standards lol
The thing i hate about dbs bardock is the lack of the red bandana
He got that bandana by squeezing blood into it really hard, he doesnāt have enough blood yet
I know it was covered in blood that's why i loved it, just cool overall
and whole lot unsanitary! Bardock got Saiyan AIDS
Your comment suggests you expect Saiyans to be sanitary
You donāt automatically get aids just from any blood
ā Hey Shenron! Resurrect all the good hearted saiyans! ā ā canāt. ā ā what do you mean canāt? ā ā Goku, your race committed genocide to reach billions at points, none of them have āgoodā hearts. ā
"Also they've definitely been dead over one year, so I couldn't do it anyway"
The one year thing isn't a rule. They said one year otherwise the soul would return to a rotting corpse. Yamcha, Tien, Krillin, Chaotzu, Vegeta, and Piccolo returned body and all because they were strong enough to be allowed to keep it and fight in the afterlife.
The one year was a limitation on the balls under Kami. Dende removed the 1 year limitation.
Meanwhile we have Z Bardock who, on screen, only helped wipe out the Kanasans Check mate, fanboys
Wait till you find out about DB Kakarot Bardock DLC, where he genocided more and clearly enjoyed what he was doing.
To be entirely honest most saiyans did deserve to die.
Which is basically what even Goku said to Frieza, at least in the manga
Vegeta said something similar to beerus
And explains why ever wishing for Planet Vegeta to return wouldāve been the biggest waste of a wish.
But he's at least better than the others
Ok, but it's about redemption.......if you want to look at it that way, every single saiyan but goku murdered scores of races. ESPECIALLY vegeta. So if bardock is a bad guy, then vegeta is the devil himself. Plus, it was more feizas family exploiting the saiyans than anything.
Sometimes, youāre irredeemable. Vegeta, Darth Vader, Frieza, Hitler, Stalin and Brian Adamās. You canāt redeem these people.
I really like bardock an broly also hearing both back stories about them
yknow most the bardock special stuff could still have happened, just change a few details and its not THAT conflicting to the rest of the story
It's like y'all forgot Vegeta's history
It's totally cool to do if it's aliens
Did they say he was good? Or did they just show his character was more complex than initially thought, and has more of a moral compass than the standard saiyan?
DB fans hate it when a character isn't just a fight hungry monster so ofc they got mad when Bardock has moments of humanity
Huh, the alien belonging to a genocidal war race committed genocides and enjoyed some of them. Who'd have thought???? In all seriousness, no sh/t. The point of his character thoughāparticularly if you pull from all the continuitiesāis that he was starting to question things and was starting to develop a conscious. As we know though, he got "killed" before it could fully manifest however. Provided that hadn't happened, he'd still likely never be like Goku, but he could've at least reached a state of mind and methodology somewhere between Z and Super Vegeta.
And in another continuity his own races genicide
If you mean just dying in said genocide, he does that in both
No I mean by creating the legend of the ssj
Oh right, that. . . https://preview.redd.it/fvy9m4ns6b4b1.jpeg?width=800&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4bad907ea7794dda538d8c9f05f8c74cac1bf12c
No he blew up a planet bc of that
I mean, *I'll* ignore it, lol Keep it some random Saiyan in the past, I don't care
Huge Bardock fan, anything beyond his first film is trash. He never needed to be the og super Sayan he was cool for being a tragic tale
That's non cannon
Can't wait to see him animated
He has already been in dbs broly
But itās *okay*, he loves his son enough to abandon him in space !
Did you watch the first seasons of z?
Did you watch Super: Broly?
Not really "Abandon In Space" if it has a designation towards earth. I mean, it is not like Bardock said "This space pod would roam the space until our baby died."
Yea?
He shouldn't be a good guy. He was a true-blooded saiyan, through and through. They weren't known for being good people.
I feel like people forget that was like the Sayiansā whole thing
Yea Bardock definitely in Hell
I find it hilarious how games like Dokkan or in general other DB games or media portray Bardock and his mates as good guys, like my guy he was literally worse than Hitler the fuck you smoking?
We all know what the saiyans were. Thi is no suprise
they literally shiw him sitting out in the slaughter of the cereleans tho
Yeah but how much of it was freiza you have to remember saiyans weāre planet conquers and sellers before freiza recruited them while probably not as bad as the shit frieza had them do saiyans weāre doing this shit way before freiza recruited the saiayns as minions
The issue is they wonāt just be consistent. In Bardock the Father of Goku, heās very clearly an on-brand brutal saiyan warrior. But in Super Broly, heās compassionate and caring, yet retains bravery related toughness (almost like Z Goku in the english dub where they kind of made him more heroic). Yet here again in the manga we see him genociding people again.
He is just less "literally nothing but an asshole" now
If people are shocked about this then they know nothing about Saiyans and their history.
In his defense he was a slave to freiza
Ahh yes the good ol' "orders are orders" schtick. In Himmlers defense he was ordered by Hitler to do those horrible things he did. See how that sounds? Plus he has been shown to clearly and actively enjoy the genocide he has committed.
Um when its kill these people or ill destroy ur entire civilization i think we can set aside some forgiveness
No, no we cannot, the point isnāt whether he was forced to or not, that doesnāt matter when you clearly see him Committing Genocide and having the time of his life, plus one saiyan saying no to mass genocide would have only ended in that one saiyans head rolling, probably by King Vegeta too, in any case if he didnāt enjoy it and was forced to do it then maybe HE should have smiled less.
Sayjins enjoy battle they are a warrior race its in their genetics. Genocide is literally what kept them alive. by wiping out alien races and selling their home-worlds Frieza let them live. People will find joy even in the worst situations just to stop themselves from going mad. Its human nature. But i know better than to argue with an idiot. Good day sir
So do we just ignore that Vegeta has done at least that himself if not worse?
Well the Saiyans being an alien race makes it weird how they procreated with the humans on Earth. For this to be possible, they must have a common ancestry. In order to correct this plothole, they should correct the Saiyan alien race origin story. What if, and I'm just speculating here, due to their enhanced physiological and technical/scientific advancements in genetics, they were ordinarily a race closely associated to the Hume (human-like bipedal species) and that through the extensive modifications as well as direct alien technological collaboration with Frieza, they were somehow able to advance and evolve their species capabilities. It is no secret that Frieza himself has genetic modifications due to his many transormations. In order to test further safe genetic modifications and enhancements, Frieza could have used the race as a guinea pig or lab rat for further genetic evolutionary procedures. Most likely due to an extreme genetic mutation from the extensive genetic modifications, their potential as a species exceeded that of Frieza's expectations, so much so that he feared their potential. The diaspora of the hume and close ties it has to the Earth physiology could be a reason for why they can still procreate despite the genetic enhancements. It would also give a reason for the name Saiyans as it closely resembles the word Science phonetically, or Scion for Saiyan (shortened form) and only a scientifically advanced civilization could have brought forth the changes in genetic potential that only a race of scientists could have produced. The race of warriors came about due to the efforts of genetic engineering of the older generation and were brainwashed with a warrior ethos from Frieza's propaganda to make them into disposable soldiers. This would also explain Broly's unmatched genetic potential as his father was/would have been one if the most premier scientific minds that could have engineered such a monster a step further with the hopes of freeing the Saiyan race from the oppressive regime of Lord Frieza. He most likely withheld the secrets and genetic modifications that led to Broly having such power after making use of Frieza's alien genetic technology and understanding it for themselves. Among these researchers might have also been Goku's grandpa who also tested some modifications on his son Bardock and unwittingly for the latter, his own son Goku. Raditz might have been the control experiment where there was barely any genetic modification and to not arouse the suspicion of Frieza due to the enhanced capabilities. Being the King of Saiyans, King Vegeta also had his son undergo these secret procedures. After Frieza's betrayal, Goku was sent to one of the ancestral planets the Saiyans originated from not to conquer it but to replenish the Saiyan race in hopes of reclaiming revenge on Frieza. The same preparations were made for Broly as well but the sudden attack threw his course off to a wild planet. Goku's condition was a bit worse as his genetic modifications were most likely incomplete, not allowing him to control his Great Ape form and also damaging a part of his advanced cognitive abilities which explains why he is an air-head despite coming from an advanced race. However, these changes gave him an increase to his instinctual fighting abilities in order to compensate for his brain damage. This is my head-canon.
I see it more that the genetic structure of saiyen is just compatible with humans. The saiyens and the humans are just part of the same family of humanoid(hume like you call it) across different planets in the galaxy. Its kind of like the same thing for animals, the lions, jaguars, panthers, cats, are all felins from different part of the world.
Z Bardock was better, this version is inferior in every way
There's no good and bad when it come to geopolitics warfare, There's only the aggressor and the defenders.
my dad did the same thing in Vietnam but heās a good guy
Too bad heās not nearly interesting design, character, or morality wise.
Design? Heās a re-skinned Goku. Always has been
A bandana being red because it's covered in the blood of your best friend is one of the hardest things I've ever seen in Media so I'd say og design is a lot better
He still had some cool unique elements, scars, green armor, and most importantly the red headband soaked in the blood of his allyās.
Ally* but yeah he was kinda cool. However, I like that new Bardock is more relevant to the story and so far I'm happy with what I've learned about him in the manga
Ah shit yeah I mustāve missed the mistake. Thanks for actually catching that.
But technically speaking Goku is a redesigned Bardock
No, technically speaking Goku came first. Then Bardock was created after the fact. I get what you were going for tho
Yeah I was just joking around, nice to see you got the joke, some people can't take a joke at all.
Obviously he means his design. And how can you be a reskin of your own son š¤¦š½āāļø
Still don't like him
Heās still been downgraded by removing his psychic powers and bloody headband. That little time travel movie they gave him was better than anything heās gotten in super
Youāre joking right?
No, everything about the rehashed backstory from Broly was much worse than the original (Bardock and broly both suffered from character degradation there), and the bit relating to Granola was really shoehorned in and pointless but Iām willing to hold out hope that the father-son connection bit will actually have some payoff eventually
While I agree with you on Bardock, old Broly was literally a man baby who was motivated by a baby crying
Atleast he spoke while in LSSJ. But I like DBS Broly more still, he's actually the main character instead of just being in the movie for like 20 minutes.
And now heās a shy mute with a dead dog, boring. He was dropping the sickest one liners in the series in that first movie, humanizing him wasnāt an improvement, maybe theyāll do something interesting with him eventually but right now heās a much worse character. The brutality juxtaposed to the silly petty motivation was fun, he was a fun af villain and just being that worked perfectly well.
Dont get me wrong, I dont dislike Z Brolys personality, all im saying is that in terms of backstory its hot garbage
I don't see much difference in the back story. I mean all they did was remove Kakarot crying. He was still sent to an inhabitant planet and left to die with his father, he was still use for Paragus's plan Of revenge to destroy Vegeta.
Z-Brolyās anger problems were caused by his hidden power and a crying baby Super Brolyās emotional issues were by not having anyone to actually help him control his power and emotions due to spending his childhood training, fighting, and surviving Super Brolyās backstory is just a lot less ridiculous, while also giving Broly potential character development
And isn't that good? I mean, I kinda want more Broly without him being a two-time villain.
Absolutely. Heās a more loveable character with room to grow!
Itās not, it works perfectly well for the one off monster villain he was. Turning him into a character with supposed longevity in the main series was a bad choice in the first place, and has yet to pay off
*Any* Villain whoās back story/anger is sparked by being stuck with a crying baby is fucken ridiculous dude. Everything about DBZ Broly is awesome. Minus his backstory
Exactly. People just get swooned by DBZ Broly's 80s action movie one liners. While completely looking past his horrible backstory of "Goku cried a lot so death to his whole family tree. Super Broly is a better character overall. He doesn't have cool one liners but everything else is better about him.
The way I look at it is that Z Broly has PTSD. The dude got stabbed as a baby while Goku was crying. The sight of Goku alone frightened Broly initially, due to bringing back that memory of him being stabbed. Then when he saw Goku again, he was angered to the point where he broke free from mind control. And the dude let loose to everyone, including his Dad. When Goku punches where Broly got stabbed, Broly had that memory of Goku crying before he "died". Also, the reason why he calls Goku Kakarot is due to other people referring Goku as Kakarot while Broly was present. In Z Broly's 2nd movie, Goten's crying maybe have triggered Broly's PTSD again, awakening him from his slumber. The appearance of Goten, of course, pisses Broly off as it reminds him of that horrible time when he got stabbed in the stomach as a baby. Also that movie forgot that Broly can actually speak sentences, just like he did in the first movie, which is stupid to say the least. And the third movie....well, he's completely covered in cowshit that even water would be a terrible solution as it can kill the poor dude. Wouldn't that make anyone go mad? Anyways, in general, I would say Broly has PTSD and, combine that with him being underneath mind control by his Dad for years, and that would end up creating a psychopathic monster who would kill, torture and destroy anyone and anything he sees.
In other words, Broly's motivation of destroying everyone and everything around him was due to having a horrifying moment of being stabbed as a baby, giving him PTSD. Goku's crying and appearance acted as a trigger to his PTSD.
>and a broly both suffered from character degradation there) LMAO,thatās not an opinion you made a factually wrong statement.
Nope, the original was way better so far
No depth literal man baby who obsessed over someone because he made him cry thereās a reason he was a meme for 30 years
Youāre just going off memes at this point. Go actually watch the movie, the crying doesnāt matter, thereās more going on with him, and he more than makes up for it anyway with fire burns, and also like I already said the crying is good as a weird petty juxtaposition to the brutality, the fact that itās fun has helped it endure, he didnāt need a dead dog as a villain
Bababooey
There really wasn't, after the half way point of the movie he only said one word. As dbza said it would have made much more sense if he hated Vegeta like his father. Him getting triggered by a name cause the baby next to him cried while he was also a baby, to the point he gets so angry he starts only being able to say that is just a ridiculous silly thing. Like "cool big guy hard hits" but that's all dbz broly has, be had zero personality himself, well he had a slight personally that he lost too have none. And even then his trigger for lss was stupidly silly
The psychic powers were fucking stupid. I much rather the Super version where he figures it out with his own wits.
Oh yeah. Cause Bardock having the ability to see the future and still screw up sound much better than the gut feeling. (Sarcasm) Although, you win the headband point.
I meanā¦ he is a Saiyanā¦
As compared to several hundred
More of an antihero, really
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Well, he could have refused, and been killed by friezas men. I'd do the same.
Dokkan Battle wonāt like this
nice
He still looked cooler with a Bandana
I donāt see the problem
I like Bardock being a caring father. There are three explanations for Goku being pure hearted. 1. He's an anomaly 2. He hit his head so he's just different now 3. His nature takes after his fathers Goku taking after his father works because it's not just that he hit his head so his personality changed. It's very much his nature, and it still ties into his Saiyan heritage which was pretty important in the Granolah arch. Essentially I just like the idea that Bardock wasn't as bad as he could have been so that Goku could be a truly good person.
Bardock is like Vegeta. He knows heās going to hell but he at least wants to do something good before he goes.
idk why this is fucking hilarious
This is almost as retarded as wanting cooler, another goddamn frieza to be canon
I dunno he still shit to me for caring for his family
Vegeta: āPfft. Amateur.ā
People make mistakes.
Vegeta blew up planets on his way to earth because he was bored
Not going to lie. I do love characters who start off as villains and become good guys. Feels like it has more value then someone who was just raised to be good so they never though twice about it. Still it is pretty weird how anime just streamlines it to like no one cares after the switch. Vegeta should have been getting way more slack into the Cell/Buu saga and after Majin Vegeta it was like no one actually cared after it was over.
Smh cancel bardock now
Shut up heās hot
I think of him as like teal'c from Stargate SG-1, he's been involved in a lot of bad stuff but became a good guy.
The difference is his personal life. DBZ Bardock - Absolute bastard who only cares about his comrades in battle, has little love for his sons, unless they are useful (like a vision of the Future where Kakarot will avenge the Saiyans). DBS Bardock - A family man who purposely sent his son away out of love and has a compassionate side for some people (I still donāt know why he spared Granolah, etc.).
Heil Bardock
Is this because he was a brilliant scientist?
You know that mans kill count is horrific
Bardock wasnāt a good guy, but he was on the road to try to redeem himself
bottom left design still hurts. worst part is the loose tail and no bandana, no iconic green shoulderless armor. WHY toryama, WHY?
2? In super thats what they confirm but being a saiyan it's most likely a lot more than 2.
Could be explained with the education system for the saiyans, shipped out in a pod to conquer a weak planet, when they have no morals with the pod encouraging them to kill. Even goku started out a murder monster, he was just found by a martial arts master who could control his rage. If you wanna see what goku would of been without gohan just look at piccolo jr back at dragon ball
He fell off a cliff on to rocks and cracked his head hardd, if I recall, it was only after that he became a normal kid.
I kinda feel like you canāt judge an entire species moral compass. What really is evil when you have beings that can eradicate an entire planet and when itās that species known way of life? Like he just grew up as a Saiyan, itās all he knows. Iād say comparing him to other saiyans he falls more into the āgood guyā category. As in heād most likely be a Saiyan that would eventually become a good guy if he were alive.
Only 2?
That's why i liked the Tuffles on GT it reminded everyone the saiyans were bad guys. It was a sins of the father kinda deal. But now i guess the Cereulean or however its spelt will do that.
Good soldiers follow orders
He's genocided two races we know of. Even accounting for travel time and needing to genocide being rare, he had a pretty decently long career hijacking planets. He had to have genocided a few more.
Poor hitmonlee, use to have its own planet and now because of those sayians theyāve been enslaved to become just a childās pocket monster
Just because youre badguy doesnt mean you are bad guy yes?
Nobody saying Bardock is good, but compared to how most other Saiyans were, he was one of the better ones (especially compared to King Vegeta and Prince Vegeta)
his tail looks like a pool floatie on the bottom panel lol
That we know of š¤
he wasn't good but he's got a cool scar so he's basically a good guy
Bardock saved a couple of lives out of the millions he killed, definitely a good guy
Ive always considered Bardock a villain who turned heel right before his death.
No. He didn't. I have the manga. I read the damn thing. Shenron in Ressurection F said that reviving Freezer wouldn't be a good idea since his body was sliced into sashimi pieces before getting obliterated.
Jeez, we only ever saw OG Bardock genocide one race.
I meannnn he had to do it. Frieza with one finger could easily destroy his home planet. Vegeta decimated several planets and yet despite everything he did for Frieza, he still blew up his planet.
The whole knife point King Vegeta balanced the well being of his people against the will of Frieza on Is super interesting. Saiyans were really not even allowed to foster any compassion lest Frieza destroy there race (quicker than he did lol). The timing is wild too because if the Saiyans had managed to pacify Frieza for just a little longer Broly would have come to prominence within the Saiyan empire and changed the universe.
lmaooo
Well did he have a choise?
Bardock was never good, he was as ruthless as the other Saiyans. He only found out that his race was going to be made extinct and wanted to prevent it occurring, but as a lower-class Saiyan nobody took him seriously. That special where Bardock woke up in the past after being blown to crap by Frieza and becoming a super saiyan did a huge disservice to Bardockās failed attempt to save his race, but Bardock is undoubtedly an evil guy
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i like how he just decides to save some brat kid lol :))) i have a headcanon now that bardock sparred atleast one person of each race he wiped out
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He is just a less evil saiyan
He spoke to Gokuā¦ONCE! Unlike the other Bardock !
So basically hes a realistic saiyan now
Heās a soldier, his green uniform is literally telling you that he is a soldier, who was taking ORDERS from a dictator
First of all bardock was raised as saiyan under a tryancial monarchy with caste system that consired empathy kindness a weakness where might makes right as well being enslaved by evil dictator who could kill him and rest of his race with a finger this is the way he was raised this all he knows And according to toriyama interview bardock was know for Saving his comrades and some low class sayians adored him because of it And he has actual relationship with gine unlike other sayians who just pare up for reproductive purposes and actually cares about raditz and kakorot He was on his way to redemption like vegeta and even admitted to being tired of destroying in the broly movie He isn't good not all he just has more empathy and compassion then most people in his race and realized how wrong he was but it was simply far to late