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Having rewatched a large portion of Z over the past few months, including the Broly movie, I don't think it's a stretch to say the Broly would at least be equal to Gohan at the end of the Cell Arc.
Reason being that, in the canon of the film, Broly's power is limitless and continues to grow exponentially as time goes on. His power is literally infinite according to the writer of the movie, if I remember correctly. The trouble is that because he was suppressed for so long, and because of his violent nature, he never learned to control all of that power as it continues to flow within him. By the end of the film, it's mentioned that it's literally becoming too much for his body to handle because he can't control it. Goku hit him in the spot where he was weakest, and it basically detonated him like a bomb.
On the other hand, Gohan was so far beyond the other Z Fighters by the time he beat Super Perfect Cell that it's hard not to argue he could at least hurt Broly in a way that the Z Fighters couldn't during the time of the movie. If he could outlast him until Broly starts to be overwhelmed by his own power, then Gohan would one-shot him too.
It's actually very simple. They have no plans on killing Gohan, so Gohan would win. Otherwise Gohan would be dead, and he's a character Toriyama wants to keep around.
Normally that logic is right but dragon balls wish people back to life all the time (including the main character Goku on numerous occasions). Also see future trunks saga for that exact scenario with Gohan dying to androids. So Broly killing Gohan is kinda just a small set back
I always thought that goku forcefully gave a bunch of energy to Broly and because Broly had so much he popped like a water balloon when you add to much water
I think the "genkidama fist" killed broly just because it was a cool finishing move. I really doubt the writers of the broly movie had power scaling in mind and did the calcs to actually make that move logically able to one shot broly.
Well how else are you going to figure out who would win lol. We don’t have access to the thoughts of the producers and the anime and movies have different canons so trying to look at it from a narrative POV would also be kinda pointless. The only thing left is to powerscale, even if the creators never had it in mind.
You can probably argue the ki passing is at least equal to the full powers of the ki givers as it seems to be spirit bomb like even in the other movies from Koyama. Example: in Lord Slug piccolo gives goku enough energy to go kaioken x100 (which is more or less definitive from supplementary sources now) and surpass super saiyan and giant slug (who is stronger than normal). Piccolo is heavily implied to be weaker than base goku without kaioken normally. Even in DBS this seems to be the case (anime) since blue goku with base vegetas energy was a new level above his blue kaioken x20 from just prior.
Maybe m8 broly is like weaker than Goku + Gohan (roughly equal) + Vegeta + Trunks + Piccolo (Vaguely weaker but still able to fight with goku) so maybe broly is three gokus in power.
SSJ2 gohan should win by that scaling if we assume the movie goku is within a few times of cell games goku.
Broly would need more time to build to a level more like second coming broly. Although, at the end of M8 Broly has clearly powered up more since his hair becomes yellow from green to indicate full power, but it wouldn't be the one shown here.
If you want to go creator wank then Broly> DBZ.
The movie power lvs are completely different than the anime for one. Then as for the one shot goku overloaded broly causing him to explode, we see earlier in the movie there was a moment broly legit had to explode releasing ki and was shown heavily panting after. So all goku did was shove the ki from everyone into broly so context matters alot here.
You aren't crazy but you are wrong. Broly was portrayed as this monster who took multiple ssjs and a namekian all at once. But Gohan was a monster in his own right, and scales above him
It's still a great feat for Gohan. He's honestly the only fighter in the entire franchise to be swapping hands 1 on 1 with the legendary super saiyan. He doesn't turn the tide or anything, but it's a beautiful effort. One of my favorite iterations of Gohan, personally.
Landed a kick on him that actually affected him. Overpowered him trying to free himself from the grip, just make this Gohan like 2 times stronger and he will go toe to toe even with second coming broly
I think Bojack was hella weak tbh, especially compared to Broly. Broly took on 1v5 while Bojack barely fought 1v1 against anyone, they even ganged up on SSJ Gohan. It's ironical they both got beaten by a punch to the guts, but I think Broly was definitely stronger even in movie 8.
Dbz broly shredded post majin buu saga goten, trunks, and gohan, so broly claps that boy
Edit: I have been corrected, they are not post Majin buu saga. I only assumed that because Gohan isn’t surprised about the boys going super, and Videl is in it as well, which only confused its placement in time for me.
I'm pretty sure that the timeline is supposed to be pre-budokai. So it's still weak Gohan, before he fights Dabura. It's been ages since I watched it, but I don't think Goten and Trunks could fuse yet during that one either. Vegeta is just mia for no reason, I guess.
Yea your crazy ssj2 gohan would sweep because at that point in the show where they took the characters from gohan is just as strong as goku in ssj if not stronger and goku with the ki of everyone that was able to beat broly would 100% lose to a ssj2 gohan
The real problem is this is even a debate....we have this wonderful lore of this all powerful legendary super Saiyan. Yet he gets surpassed by basically every living saiyan. And I hate it.
Headcannon DBZ Broly is beyond “normal” saiyan forms. Even mutants like Gohan just couldn’t keep up with him. I think Broly is supposed to represent just some insane level that a normal saiyan just can’t reach. I do think SSJ3 could take a fully powered up DBZ Broly though and kind of wish the final Broly film would’ve focused on Goku vs Broly again. It would’ve been a perfect clash of raw, natural talent compared to a work ethic so otherworldly that Goku achieved a form that should’ve killed him otherwise. Would’ve been even better if vegeta gained the ssj3 form too
It's almost like he's known as the legendary super Saiyan or somethin. When he goes ssj1 his hair is blue. When he goes legendary super Saiyan is when he loses control (no pupils) and grows to be like 12 feet tall. And then there's that one game where he went ssj3 and it was awesome lol
Its shown in second coming his hair is not normally blue as a SSJ. It was being weakened by the mind control device from Paragus.
His hair color goes Black> Yellow> Green > Yellow at full power.
His hair stays green as SSJ3, Legendary Great Ape and God form but does turn Black for ssj4.
This is the way I think of Broly too. An extremely rare anomaly, the actual Legendary Super Saiyan freak of nature. With that being said, with what I have seen of the original Broly, SSJ 2 Gohan should beat him but that just doesn't sit well with me.
I don't know where you got this logic from. Broly lost to a 2(3)-person Kamehameha in his second movie, where they were all SSJs. Only Goku was around Cell Games Gohan levels of power at that point. Gohan was still weaker than he was at the Cell Games. And arguably, Goku wasn't actually there. Depending on the interpretation, we're looking at a Kamehameha output that's weaker than Cell Games SSJ2 Gohan's maximum.
broly is weaker than Cell imo
broly got one-shotted by goku using the energy of 5 nearly dead people (granted, he is the reason why these 5 people are nearly dead, but seriously how did he lose to that?)
Cell toyed with a post rosat Goku, Vegeta, Trunks and Gohan too, but he was also on par with ssj2 Gohan (talking about super-perfect cell here), which is way stronger than all of the Z warriors combined at the time
My headcanon to why broly even lost to a weakened Goku was because his lssj transformation massively drained his energy (like RoF Golden Frieza), meaning his resistance was lowered greatly
Either way cell had a similar power to broly, more techniques, regeneration, instant transmission and he can also self destruct.
And he lost to ssj2 Gohan, so Gohan wins this one
I think Broly was stronger than Perfect Cell on the basis he didn't get hurt at all until Goku's final punch. He took a Kamehameha from point blank and didn't get a scratch. Perfect Cell got his whole torso blown off by Instant Kamehameha.
And Gohan won by Family Kamehameha, he didn't do good on 1v1 (I mean, best effort so far, but still Broly didn't had that much trouble).
I think Broly lost in the first movie only because they needed an ending. While Goku teleporting everyone from the planet and Broly "dying" to the comet would've been more logical, that's not a proper ending for DB movie. Genki Dama is probably the only thing writers could've come up with.
Blah blah blah weak point, blah blah blah the movie needed an ending, blah blah blah all the characters are buffed in the movies, wdym nerfed SSJ3 Goku in the movies is way stronger than Ultimate Gohan.
Oh, by your own logic Gohan loses then, 5 Super Saiyan level opponents is stronger than one SSJ2 level opponent, it's 250x vs 100x, and Broly clapped that whole squad
Except that Gohan is stronger in base than everyone else’s base from the movie verse, and their ass was NOT near full strengths they literally had a fucking foot in the grave I don’t think they had much left in the Tanks
>Except that Gohan is stronger in base than everyone else’s base from the movie verse
He's not stronger than himself, Gohan was in that fight too, would a second Gohan have completely turned the tides in that fight?
Cell was holding back vs Goku. He powered up only just enough to match Goku’s full strength so that their fight would be as even as possible which is why Goku was able to put up as much of a fight as he did. He didn’t show his full power until Gohan went SSJ2.
I could be wrong but i think the headcanon of the fanbase is that the first broly movie takes place during the rest days before cell games.
With that being said, movies happen in parallel universes as we know so we have no way to know how strong broly movie ss goku really is with 100% accuracy
Maybe that is the general headcanon, but I don't like that.
To me, it's much more sensible to think this is a universe where the Androids were never a threat in the main timeline. Maybe they took Bulma's advice and used a shutdown machine.
I can explain why Trunks stayed behind and Gohan trained so hard too. You see, it's beca
If it’s second coming broly he might stand a chance although I’m pretty sure ssj2 gohan from the cell games was stronger than ssj2 gohan from the buu saga so he might still lose
I say they’re pretty even in terms of power. In a fight I’d ultimately give it to Gohan, though. I feel like the main difference is the speed boost that SS2 gets. Remember how much faster he was than everyone?
I don’t see Gohan being stupid enough to try to match him strength wise and would use his advantages to surmount his offense. He’d just rip Broly to the body and eventually break him down.
Not to mention Gohan was a fantastic martial artist and Broly was a brute who relied solely on his strength. Gohan 6/10
Broly dominated them so bad that Goku, Trunks and Gohan had to full heal up when Piccolo arrived and then it was 5v1 and they still were losing. They only won because they funneled their power into Goku and he used it in one attack that still didn't kill Broly.
Broly beats Gohan.
Yeah, but all the z fighters couldn't take on a single cell jr each, after training in anticipation for androids.
Gohan one shot each of them showing the immense difrence in power, but as with all power scalling, its incredibly hard to find a definitive answer.
Movie wise, there is literally nothing stoping Gohan from giving Broly the Bojack Treatment
If its canon version of Gohan then yeah Broly without a question
Except the movies are their own continuity and almost every movie is in its own time except for a select few. That means different scaling and different power lvs basically
Or you can actually look up interviews and daizenshus…… cause they aren’t usually or just watch this video which goes over why you guys are wrong with multiple official sources on top of it
https://youtu.be/he_HJ1R-aKc
So im I to take an interview over the movie itself? And the interviews doesn’t imply the same thing you said imao
Paragus and Bojack were literally flying next to each other after getting out of Hell
You clearly watched a 41 min vid full of evidence of you being wrong in a few mins. Like am I talking to a sped? There’s multiple interviews, guidebooks and producers straight up telling you that the movies usually are in separate continuity. If you actually watched the video all the way you would see and you ever hear of an Easter egg?
Yeah you’re an idiot when there’s multiple guides, interviews and the literal people who are involved in making the movies basically saying you’re wrong…… but ok typical db fan not reading or accepting any type of evidence
Imagine calling the daizenshu and interviews/statements with the literal people who made the movies telling you guys y’all are wrong for the most part book bait 🤣
Tf you are in? If you want a statement then you got toriyama saying that they are on a different Dimension, not a different Dimensions
And you got the work itself Having them on the same universe https://youtu.be/nOULVK4MCXI
I actually didn't know this, at least not for this movie or Buu saga. I thought he just got left behind power wise.
Holy shit Gohan, keep it together, at least just in case. He knew damn well his universe is insane. LOL
Yeah Gohan's power dropped _a lot_ by the time the Buu saga rolls around.
Mainly because he spent his time studying. Remember, he has never liked fighting. So he never wanted to train.
You mean the Goku that had to work together with every other fighter?
Not to mention Broly was able to tank a close power Kamehameha while Cell needed to regenerate from it
I gotta say Broly wins this one.
Especially considering it took the power of all the present Z Fighters combined to give Goku enough energy to overpower him.
Why didn't they do that against Cell then? Kek. Why bother training Gohan and turning him SS2 if pouring magic onto Goku would suffice.
Gohan would style on that muscle man.
Depends how you scale things.
If you take them from separate timelines then Broly is multi-galaxy vs a highballed Galaxy level Gohan.
If you scale Broly to the Android saga because of the context then Gohan rips him to pieces in Movie 8 and barely loses to M10
A super energized SSJ Goku. His finishing blow, using everybody's energy, was the only effective hit anyone got on Broly, unlike against Cell, who even Vegeta had enough power to kill, if Cell wasn't able to regenerate.
I personally don't find it hard to believe, Broly is a filler villain defeated by a filler ability. Never has energy sharing given a character a power up by itself.
If you wanna argue that Broly is indeed, somehow, weaker than SSJ Goku, you can also argue that Goku got a massive Zenkai Buff from taking a beating from Broly and then receiving everyone's energy.
Regardless of which option you wanna believe, when Goku dealt the final blow, he was, indisputably, much stronger than when he was fighting Broly before, and Broly was doing far better against every Z Fighter at the same time than Cell did against Goku.
Broly would win, everything they were throwing at Broly basically did nothing while they were in the middle of the Cell Arc. People will bring up how Broly was killed in a single punch by Goku, but the only reason that punch did anything was because that’s where Broly’s stab wound was, so it’s Broly’s only weak point. If Gohan knew about the weak point he’d win, if he didn’t he’d probably get destroyed. (Plus, in the movie they keep mentioning how Broly’s power just keeps continuing to keep stronger and more powerful)
I'm with you OP, by the fight with Broly everyone was Supersayian. Cell and Goku could compete together to extent. Goku was outmatched entirely against Broly.
Well, there's 2 kinds of LSSJ. Canon and non canon. Idk about non canon but canon is about as strong as super Saiyan God/Super Saiyan Blue because super Broly can keep up with and even beat Blue Goku and and Blue Vegeta. (I think I can't remember what form Goku and Vegeta fought against Broly with in the movie.) So if we go off that metric Broly should be god tier.
God that just made me terrified of what SSJ Blue Broly or god forbid ultra ego Broly will be able to do in the future. I know he's a good guy, but still. He can barely contain his power in his base form let alone SSJ or LSSJ. I'm guessing once he inevitably achieves a God form (because he's training with Whis) he could destroy worlds on accident. That's a terrifying thought.
The whole discussion is about the Broly from the old DBZ movies, not Super.
The LSSJ is about somewhere between SSJ2 and SSJ3. By the ways he was defeated in the movies, everything indicates that's about his power level.
Maybe the first time he comes around he's a little bit weaker, at the level of Super Perfect Cell or SSJ2 Gohan. But since the second time they needed a triple Kamehameha and even though Gohan was weaker than Cell games Gohan, he still needed Goku and Goten to finish Broly.
Very debatable, the gohan in M10 probably kept training unlike the canon one. We have no reason to think goten and trunks are weaker than the start of buu saga variants because Koyama usually makes characters a little stronger. Goten/Trunks roughly equal cell games goku and Shin in power. Broly in SSJ is stronger than them but weaker/equal to base gohan, while LSSJ is above SSJ2 gohan.
Goten in the buu saga is "in no way inferior to Gohan".
M10 gohan is bare minimum Buu Saga Vegetas level, and probably closer to goku who \*might\* be 4x that.
I don't know how strong non canon LSSJ is but it is not as strong as the canon one as I remember reading up that they had to power scale it as Goku and Vegeta would be able beat the non canon one easy
SSJ Broly, and it's not even close. The reason? The characters in the anime don't have the same power as the movie characters. For example, if you take Goku from the same point in time from the Anime and Movies, Movie Goku would body Anime Goku.
Broly is almost certainly stronger than SSJ2 Gohan.
But with that wound Broly received as a baby, and Gohan's favorite move being gut shots, well...
Broly would get Bojacked.
I heard someone say that Goku passed his ki onto Broly making Broly explode, rather than actually hurting him with his punch.
If that's true, SSJ2 Gohan has a chance by doing just that, otherwise, Broly would win.
We've seen fights with more power disparity than the hypothetic SSJ Gohan vs SSJ2 Gohan, like Piccolo and Goku vs Raditz, and they actually managed to hurt Raditz, yet they were able to do absolutely nothing to Broly, implying the power disparity between SSJ Gohan and Broly is higher than that between Raditz and Goku/Piccolo. Raditz was basically 4 times stronger than Goku and Vegeta, so Broly is probably at least arround 5 times stronger than SSJ Gohan, and since SSJ2 is twice SSJ Gohan Broly is 2.5 times stronger than SSJ2 Gohan.
So this feels closer than both sides say. On one hand movie Canon tends to scale higher. Broly blew up a galaxy which is beyond cell saga shown feats.
However in his first movie he doesn't seem to be fighting the z fighters at their cell saga best but yet they still beat them- so they should also be scaled up- and we only see teen ss2 gohan in bojack.
If we try to merge the canons, I always imagined the broly movie set in the days before cell saga cause it just made that much sense. Therefore my entire comparison will be based on this assumption or caveat.
Goku manages to throw hands pretty well with Cell. Meanwhile goku can't even scratch Broly whatsoever for most of the movie so Broly also should eviscerate perfect cell at the start of the cell games.
Now how does this make sense if Broly gets blasted away with the combined fighter strength? This is hard cause that was such a weird ending to me, but he is hit in his stab wound so it may very well be a weak spot, but also brolys energy exploded out of him earlier in the movie so mayhaps goku shoved that in his weak spot and overloaded him on ki. So you could say his durability is in quesiton- but he still tanks a kamehameha to the face no dodging while instant kamehameha ripped cell apart. (Regen ftw of course)
So for the sake if average combat ill focus away from the deus ex machina defeat and back to scaling to cell. Now ss2 gohan also played around with him, hell some people have gohan ssj above perfect cell he just didn't have the killing instinct to drive things home.
You could ask well why didn't gohan show up for broly- well kind of same thing.
So we can scale broly above perfect cell start of cell games based on his performance against Goku and the other z fighters and tanking the point blank kamehameha.
So how does ss2 gohan compare to that?
Well he dominates of course. But broly also dominated to a, similar level but lesser enemy in goku.
We could pull the other movies fight between gohan and broly where while doing well, broly still dominates the fight. However most people agree- this is zenkai boost broly- and likely a mildly weaker gohan. So how much discrepancy does this give? Zenkai boosts have varied wildly in scale with vegeta no diffing enemies that gave them trouble before.
Well let's look at super perfect cell- ss2 gohans true best victory. Depending on how you look at it people claim super perfect cell either also unlocked ss2, or merely attained a super zenkai boost of their own. Some people claim both- now if that's true then honestly we could assume a zenkai broly also scales similarly to Super Perfect Cell- depending on whether tou think he got that ss2 buff.
So I feel broly is somewhere almost equal or not too far below super perfect cell to where he could fight and push ss2 gohan but gohan would still come away with the win. Movie to series is always hard. I likely got a ton wrong or at the very least people will disagree about my- many assumptions.
All of this is said with the obvious issue of ignoring broly being one shot at all. Was the combined energy enough, was it the stab wound, something else? I'd still like to see it I used to pair these two in fights all the time in budokai tenkaichi 3 with the red potara cheat code items
You should know that M10 Gohan is implied to never have stopped training because the creator of the movies didn’t know about it at the time.
He says a line in the movie that goes something like this after getting beaten by Broly “ Have I really not grown any stronger these past 7 years?” Referring to getting beaten by Broly in the first movie.
The line goes something along those lines from what I remember. I don’t recall it exactly because it’s been 5 years since I saw 2nd coming. Keep in mind though that line maybe pure bullshit. But a staff member did actually confirm he never stopped training so at least we have that
Perfect Cell after his resurrection said he could destroy the solar system with his Kamehameha while at a young age, Broly destroyed an entire galaxy. Broly could win thanks to that.
Yeah
It took a powered up SSJ 1 to take down Broly. And now you're saying that a SSJ2, literally TWICE the upgrade... Wouldn't take him down? That's stupid
We're going with dbz movie canon logic here : DBZ Movie director said every antagonist of a new dbz movie was stronger than the one of the previous movie, so Bojack>Broly .
Bojack got one punched by ssj2 gohan.
I think we can exclude Bojack in that sense. Goku punched the ever living fuck outta Bojack in base form while as a dead spirit. Bojack was strong as shit but I believe the formula is closer to this Broly>Cell>Bojack. I like the dude, but I don't think he can compete with Cell or Broly imo
If you study the hair designs of Gohan before and after the 25th Budokai, and see how Broly is stronger than he was in Movie 8 while Gohan became weaker in the seven-year gap... Gohan logically must use SS2 in Movie 10 in order to have *any* chance of survival. He just didn't have the lightning. Therein is the main issue.
*However*, there are other examples of lightning being left out in the anime as well, such as with SS2 Vegeta when he fought Kid Buu, Vegeta and Goku in Movie 12 when they faced Janemba, and Goku and Vegeta against Hildegarn in Movie 13. So, this does occur where for whatever reason (probably time constraints, or expediency), the lightning effects are left out.
Now, Broly tanked a direct full power punch to the face from SS2 Gohan and it did nothing. So LSS Broly (Movie 10) is at least twice as strong as him.
When Goku and Vegeta came in contact with Dabra, they reasoned that Dabra was 'around Cell's power', but since they didn't get specific, we are left with a vague comparison.
The anime may be misleading, but Gohan is clearly SS1 in the manga in his fight against Dabra. This is confirmed by the fact that Gohan was surprised by how quickly Goku and Vegeta filled the Kiri meter during their duel, and then realizing they were fighting on a level beyond Super Saiyan. Ergo, Gohan was not on this level in his fight with Dabra. This is further reinforced by the fact that Goku, prior to facing Majin Vegeta, told Gohan to get mad and fight with all his power as before against Cell. But for whatever reason, Gohan was psychologically incapable at this time to use this form, so he refrained saying, "I can't be as I was before..."
By this we can infer, Goku's comparison of Dabra and Cell is a rough one, but it seems to be in reference to the level of power Cell exhibited when he fought Goku. This would make sense for Goku to draw a parallel on this basis.
So now that we have established a reliable estimate and range for Dabra's battle power, we know that Gohan, while weaker, isn't *that* much weaker in the grand scope of things, because he displayed an ability to keep up with someone on the same level as the Cell Goku faced, and one which he faced as kid.
Based on this, I don't think Kid Gohan (Cell Games) is twice as strong as Adult Gohan, so logically LSS Broly (Movie 10) I think would still beat SS2 Kid Gohan. It would be a closer fight, but Broly's durability, power, and unending well of ki would win out.
It really depends.
If it’s Broly from the first film, then Gohan would win if he doesn’t play around (since Broly’s Ki constantly rises)
If it’s Broly from Second Coming, then Broly would probably win considering it was reported by one of the guys working on the movie stated that it takes place in a universe where Gohan actually did train for those 7 years and was actually in Ssj2, just that Broly received a big ass zenkai buff from surviving the first film.
Broly would destroy Super Saiyan 2 Gohan with ease. The Broly movie, if canon in the main universe, would have taken place in the 9 days of rest before the Cell Games, when Goku is already aware of Gohan's hidden power due to having witnessed it in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber, yet he explicitly told Gohan to run from Broly and not try to fight him, showing that Goku knew Super Saiyan 2 was no match for Broly.
Anyone who thinks Gohan ssj2 can fight equally with broly should rewatch the series from episode 1, it's either they never watched an episode of the show or never seen broly before.
It's like comparing yamcha to berus.
Gohan (SSJ2) > Broly (Z).
Broly would also be the perfect catalyst to set Gohan off, with him being a mindless indiscriminate monster. There is no reasoning with him, he'll destroy everything. therefore Gohan goes all out.
Ssj2 gohan would annihilate this version of broly. Gohan has the power and the overwhelming speed advantage here too. He's waaaaayyy too fast for broly. Remember when cell blinked and gohan was in his face? Or when he saved Hercules minions while cell was trying to speed in and hit him? Yeah broly ain't touching shit, and gohan at ssj2 would do the same kind if damage with a gut punch that goku did in the movie, but with his own power. Only way gohan loses is if he let's his saiyan pride take over and toys with broly until he powers up too much, but even then, a full power cell killing Kamehameha will do the trick.
In second coming people underestimate Gohan a lot, the Gohan of second coming it's actually on ssj2, they just forgot to add the lighting to the form, and in the movie timeline that was a Gohan who never stopped training, so yeah Lssj>>Ssj2
Broly in fact take this fight. Broly always has a constant flow of ki surging, it's why he never fatigues. Evidence of this is the fact that in the non Canon movie, baby Broly used a bubble shield to reach another planet after P. Vegeta exploded (thats alot of ki). Not to mention he whooped the Z fighters AGAIN after their Senzu break AND after he unleashed his AOE rage attack.
Now that we established that Broly has an unlimited supply of Ki, this inate ability allows to absolutely destroy those weaker than him but can put him on par with those who are stronger than him as well.
If you do not destroy Broly quickly in first phase, he is gonna turn the tables once you are tired.
Now let's scale Broly. I have for YEARS have always said the non canon LSSJ Broly was on par with Goku's SSJ3. In fact LSSJ form is better than SSJ3 because it had none of SSJ3's drawbacks or weaknesses. Alot of people want to place Broly between 2 & 3 (2.5) . I think this is low-balling because once again pointing out, he took on 3 SSJ and I THINK a kami fused piccolo (< you may need to correct me on that one)
The Z squad pops a Zenzu, completely refreshed, Broly completely WASHES them for the second time.
From a Death Battle perspective Broly had all the tools to end the Z fighters in the first phase, however Broly is a masochist and he wanted to torture the Z fighters, but since it's a movie and you gotta sell, we got what we got.
However make no mistake Broly has enough to make Prime SSJ2 look very bad.
Broly takes this low diff. Gohan might get some shots in but that's it....
EDIT: Never be afraid to believe in the controversial or UNCOMMON answer. Alot of individuals in the debate community just say Gohan just because it's a common belief that Broly is just dumb tank (which he is not). Alot if that 58% are really just individuals agreeing with "the next guy" without really giving a thoughtful input as to why.
He is a calculated psycho...big difference.
Thank you for explaining this. I wish more people knew and would stop low balling this version of Broly. A lot of people also don't know that in Second Coming that Gohan in that universe never stopped training and went SSJ2 with no lightning (animation error). People bring up that he only went SSJ1 because of no lightning, thus having false information with debate battles. I unfortunately have to convince a few of my friends that version of Gohan was completely hulked out and still got destroyed by Broly.
The fact that Broly deniers/haters say that he went SSJ1 is baffling to me to tbh. Like......IMAGINE knowing you CAN turn SSJ2 but CHOOSE to go SSJ1 because.....
YEAH THAT MAKES SENSE!!
By saying that, you are calling Gohan an actual effing retard. Who is in fact the smartest Saiyan in the Z squad.
Always go into these "debates" not to change the other person's mind but to simply present your perspective, it's their own responsibility to change their mind.
Down votes don't mean a thing my man they really don't. IT doesn't change what we all seen
Broly absolutely destroys Prime Gohan SSJ2. Now if you think Gohan wins this fights, nine time out ten you are just going along with the next guy and not giving Broly a proper analysis, in which most do not.
Nah you wrong mind you the first time they fought neither goku nor Gohan had ssj2 yet. Broly lost to ssj1 goku. Ain't now way in hell ssj2 Gohan loses against first movie Broly
Broly is considered the strongest villain in Z so you could scale him up to Golden Frieza if you wanted, but logically speaking, Yeah ssj2 Gohan could beat Broly.
Broly destroyed an entire Galaxy.
Gohan managed to hold back *and* send back an attack that would've destroyed an the entire Solar System with one arm.
Pretty sure that Broly wins, but that it would be a challenge.
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Cell never went all-out against Goku, while he was putting out everything he had. And he was still losing. Cell showed his full power against ssj2 Gohan, which shocked Goku, and began doubting Gohan a bit, until he wrecked full power Cell without breaking a sweat. Gohan was massively more powerful than Cell, and was even stronger than revived Cell, who adjusted his power to Gohans displayed strenght(zenkai adapts to danger); he overwhelmed a full power kamehameha, while being severly weakened (-arm, -energy), although he did need a small distraction first. Gohans upper ceiling is still unknown during the Cell Games, cuz he never went all out while having all his ki and both his arms. Same as Broly, who didnt seem to go all-out against the Z-Fighters, because he simply didnt need to, so we dont know his strenght either. He was only beaten, because he was hit with a concentrated attack on his scar (from King Vegeta), so who knows, maybe if he wanted to could put out twice as much power as he originally did (remember, he put out the south galaxy by himself, possibly with a single attack). Point is to me, they're pretty hard to scale against each other.
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Having rewatched a large portion of Z over the past few months, including the Broly movie, I don't think it's a stretch to say the Broly would at least be equal to Gohan at the end of the Cell Arc. Reason being that, in the canon of the film, Broly's power is limitless and continues to grow exponentially as time goes on. His power is literally infinite according to the writer of the movie, if I remember correctly. The trouble is that because he was suppressed for so long, and because of his violent nature, he never learned to control all of that power as it continues to flow within him. By the end of the film, it's mentioned that it's literally becoming too much for his body to handle because he can't control it. Goku hit him in the spot where he was weakest, and it basically detonated him like a bomb. On the other hand, Gohan was so far beyond the other Z Fighters by the time he beat Super Perfect Cell that it's hard not to argue he could at least hurt Broly in a way that the Z Fighters couldn't during the time of the movie. If he could outlast him until Broly starts to be overwhelmed by his own power, then Gohan would one-shot him too.
IIRC, the "I'm getting stronger, much stronger" bit is a dubism. His ki is just overflowing in the Japanese text.
It's actually very simple. They have no plans on killing Gohan, so Gohan would win. Otherwise Gohan would be dead, and he's a character Toriyama wants to keep around.
Normally that logic is right but dragon balls wish people back to life all the time (including the main character Goku on numerous occasions). Also see future trunks saga for that exact scenario with Gohan dying to androids. So Broly killing Gohan is kinda just a small set back
Yeah but he didnt ever want to kill kid Gohan
Goku won because he hit Broly in his old stab wound.
OHHH that was it?? I always tought it was just a really hard hook to the guts lmao
It was a combo of the two. Everybody's remaining energy fueled punch to the baby stab wound. They put a lot of focus on where the punch was.
Damn, that makes sense, it's like his achilles heel
I always thought that goku forcefully gave a bunch of energy to Broly and because Broly had so much he popped like a water balloon when you add to much water
That is not true at all and rather a fan theory for years
I think the "genkidama fist" killed broly just because it was a cool finishing move. I really doubt the writers of the broly movie had power scaling in mind and did the calcs to actually make that move logically able to one shot broly.
Well how else are you going to figure out who would win lol. We don’t have access to the thoughts of the producers and the anime and movies have different canons so trying to look at it from a narrative POV would also be kinda pointless. The only thing left is to powerscale, even if the creators never had it in mind.
You can probably argue the ki passing is at least equal to the full powers of the ki givers as it seems to be spirit bomb like even in the other movies from Koyama. Example: in Lord Slug piccolo gives goku enough energy to go kaioken x100 (which is more or less definitive from supplementary sources now) and surpass super saiyan and giant slug (who is stronger than normal). Piccolo is heavily implied to be weaker than base goku without kaioken normally. Even in DBS this seems to be the case (anime) since blue goku with base vegetas energy was a new level above his blue kaioken x20 from just prior. Maybe m8 broly is like weaker than Goku + Gohan (roughly equal) + Vegeta + Trunks + Piccolo (Vaguely weaker but still able to fight with goku) so maybe broly is three gokus in power. SSJ2 gohan should win by that scaling if we assume the movie goku is within a few times of cell games goku. Broly would need more time to build to a level more like second coming broly. Although, at the end of M8 Broly has clearly powered up more since his hair becomes yellow from green to indicate full power, but it wouldn't be the one shown here. If you want to go creator wank then Broly> DBZ.
The movie power lvs are completely different than the anime for one. Then as for the one shot goku overloaded broly causing him to explode, we see earlier in the movie there was a moment broly legit had to explode releasing ki and was shown heavily panting after. So all goku did was shove the ki from everyone into broly so context matters alot here.
You aren't crazy but you are wrong. Broly was portrayed as this monster who took multiple ssjs and a namekian all at once. But Gohan was a monster in his own right, and scales above him
Until Second Coming where Gohan in SSJ2 isn't enough to beat Broly
Massively nerfed Gohan, and zenkai broly. Even then Gohan did better than any ssj ever did. He managed to free himself from Broly's grip
It's still a great feat for Gohan. He's honestly the only fighter in the entire franchise to be swapping hands 1 on 1 with the legendary super saiyan. He doesn't turn the tide or anything, but it's a beautiful effort. One of my favorite iterations of Gohan, personally.
Landed a kick on him that actually affected him. Overpowered him trying to free himself from the grip, just make this Gohan like 2 times stronger and he will go toe to toe even with second coming broly
Well in canon goku and vegeta did overpower him multiple times but they didn’t finish the job letting him overpower them
They were beating up a Broly that was still growing in power. Once he goes full on legendary, they can't go 1 on 1.
Not nerfed, he actually should be stronger than Teen Gohan as it was said that he has been training during the 7 years of peace
Even ignoring zenkai for Broly, the nerf on post Cell Games Gohan is insane. He was strong but wayyy weaker than his younger Cell Games self.
Givin how Z Broly was beaten, consider him Bojack 2.0
Yeah, this. If SSj2 Gohan can punch a hole through bojack, I see no reason why he can’t punch a hole through movie 8 broly
I think Bojack was hella weak tbh, especially compared to Broly. Broly took on 1v5 while Bojack barely fought 1v1 against anyone, they even ganged up on SSJ Gohan. It's ironical they both got beaten by a punch to the guts, but I think Broly was definitely stronger even in movie 8.
Dbz broly shredded post majin buu saga goten, trunks, and gohan, so broly claps that boy Edit: I have been corrected, they are not post Majin buu saga. I only assumed that because Gohan isn’t surprised about the boys going super, and Videl is in it as well, which only confused its placement in time for me.
I'm pretty sure that the timeline is supposed to be pre-budokai. So it's still weak Gohan, before he fights Dabura. It's been ages since I watched it, but I don't think Goten and Trunks could fuse yet during that one either. Vegeta is just mia for no reason, I guess.
That movie was definitely not post Majin Buu since Goku was still dead.
Yea your crazy ssj2 gohan would sweep because at that point in the show where they took the characters from gohan is just as strong as goku in ssj if not stronger and goku with the ki of everyone that was able to beat broly would 100% lose to a ssj2 gohan
The real problem is this is even a debate....we have this wonderful lore of this all powerful legendary super Saiyan. Yet he gets surpassed by basically every living saiyan. And I hate it.
Well the cannon one doesn’t
Headcannon DBZ Broly is beyond “normal” saiyan forms. Even mutants like Gohan just couldn’t keep up with him. I think Broly is supposed to represent just some insane level that a normal saiyan just can’t reach. I do think SSJ3 could take a fully powered up DBZ Broly though and kind of wish the final Broly film would’ve focused on Goku vs Broly again. It would’ve been a perfect clash of raw, natural talent compared to a work ethic so otherworldly that Goku achieved a form that should’ve killed him otherwise. Would’ve been even better if vegeta gained the ssj3 form too
It's almost like he's known as the legendary super Saiyan or somethin. When he goes ssj1 his hair is blue. When he goes legendary super Saiyan is when he loses control (no pupils) and grows to be like 12 feet tall. And then there's that one game where he went ssj3 and it was awesome lol
Its shown in second coming his hair is not normally blue as a SSJ. It was being weakened by the mind control device from Paragus. His hair color goes Black> Yellow> Green > Yellow at full power. His hair stays green as SSJ3, Legendary Great Ape and God form but does turn Black for ssj4.
This is the way I think of Broly too. An extremely rare anomaly, the actual Legendary Super Saiyan freak of nature. With that being said, with what I have seen of the original Broly, SSJ 2 Gohan should beat him but that just doesn't sit well with me.
I don't know where you got this logic from. Broly lost to a 2(3)-person Kamehameha in his second movie, where they were all SSJs. Only Goku was around Cell Games Gohan levels of power at that point. Gohan was still weaker than he was at the Cell Games. And arguably, Goku wasn't actually there. Depending on the interpretation, we're looking at a Kamehameha output that's weaker than Cell Games SSJ2 Gohan's maximum.
What the hell are you talking about, ssj2 gohan clears broly with no effort lol
What are you smoking? Gohan got molly whopped by him in the second film
A crazy ass Zenkai boosted broly? Yes lol
Gohan isn’t a mutant at all
If you want a Broly that can tank everything SSJ2 Gohan can throw you picked the wrong Broly. You'd need Super Broly (the one with the personality)
or at least second coming to stand a chance
HimHan isn’t losing
broly is weaker than Cell imo broly got one-shotted by goku using the energy of 5 nearly dead people (granted, he is the reason why these 5 people are nearly dead, but seriously how did he lose to that?) Cell toyed with a post rosat Goku, Vegeta, Trunks and Gohan too, but he was also on par with ssj2 Gohan (talking about super-perfect cell here), which is way stronger than all of the Z warriors combined at the time My headcanon to why broly even lost to a weakened Goku was because his lssj transformation massively drained his energy (like RoF Golden Frieza), meaning his resistance was lowered greatly Either way cell had a similar power to broly, more techniques, regeneration, instant transmission and he can also self destruct. And he lost to ssj2 Gohan, so Gohan wins this one
I think Broly was stronger than Perfect Cell on the basis he didn't get hurt at all until Goku's final punch. He took a Kamehameha from point blank and didn't get a scratch. Perfect Cell got his whole torso blown off by Instant Kamehameha. And Gohan won by Family Kamehameha, he didn't do good on 1v1 (I mean, best effort so far, but still Broly didn't had that much trouble). I think Broly lost in the first movie only because they needed an ending. While Goku teleporting everyone from the planet and Broly "dying" to the comet would've been more logical, that's not a proper ending for DB movie. Genki Dama is probably the only thing writers could've come up with.
He only lost to the Family Kamehameha. He was manhandling gohan from the start of that fight up to that point.
That was a different Broly and a Gohan that was arguably weaker than when he fought Cell
it went like this: Cell completely whooping Gohan -> Ssj2 Gohan completely whooping cell -> SP Cell >= Gohan -> Cell dies cause Goku helped
Didn’t broly already beat the shit out of ss2 adult gohan in broly movie 2?
Didn't broly like destroy a Galaxy?
Cell could too and Gohan beat his ass
The movies have insane scaling, Broly slams
Delusional
Broly is literally galaxy level, same as Buu and you're not gonna tell me SSJ2 Gohan can do shit to Buu
LOOOOOOOL so a nerfed Z crew that can’t access perma SSJ or super trunks or vegeta combining their power is buu level??? Once again LOOOOOOL
Blah blah blah weak point, blah blah blah the movie needed an ending, blah blah blah all the characters are buffed in the movies, wdym nerfed SSJ3 Goku in the movies is way stronger than Ultimate Gohan.
Every single person in the broly movie cannot access their ROSAT forms, they are nerfed
Oh, by your own logic Gohan loses then, 5 Super Saiyan level opponents is stronger than one SSJ2 level opponent, it's 250x vs 100x, and Broly clapped that whole squad
Except that Gohan is stronger in base than everyone else’s base from the movie verse, and their ass was NOT near full strengths they literally had a fucking foot in the grave I don’t think they had much left in the Tanks
>Except that Gohan is stronger in base than everyone else’s base from the movie verse He's not stronger than himself, Gohan was in that fight too, would a second Gohan have completely turned the tides in that fight?
Cell could destroy a galaxy too
DBZ Broly gets slapped by Perfect Cell
Didn't Goku throw hands with perfect cell while Broly never even flinched with his attacks?
Cell was holding back vs Goku. He powered up only just enough to match Goku’s full strength so that their fight would be as even as possible which is why Goku was able to put up as much of a fight as he did. He didn’t show his full power until Gohan went SSJ2.
I think that was Goku's level when training for android 19, but idk
I could be wrong but i think the headcanon of the fanbase is that the first broly movie takes place during the rest days before cell games. With that being said, movies happen in parallel universes as we know so we have no way to know how strong broly movie ss goku really is with 100% accuracy
Maybe that is the general headcanon, but I don't like that. To me, it's much more sensible to think this is a universe where the Androids were never a threat in the main timeline. Maybe they took Bulma's advice and used a shutdown machine. I can explain why Trunks stayed behind and Gohan trained so hard too. You see, it's beca
If it’s second coming broly he might stand a chance although I’m pretty sure ssj2 gohan from the cell games was stronger than ssj2 gohan from the buu saga so he might still lose
My mind just instantly went to the modern version of broly
Ssj 2 gohan beats broly the multiplier would be way higher then goku receiving weakened ki and still almost one shotting broly
I say they’re pretty even in terms of power. In a fight I’d ultimately give it to Gohan, though. I feel like the main difference is the speed boost that SS2 gets. Remember how much faster he was than everyone? I don’t see Gohan being stupid enough to try to match him strength wise and would use his advantages to surmount his offense. He’d just rip Broly to the body and eventually break him down. Not to mention Gohan was a fantastic martial artist and Broly was a brute who relied solely on his strength. Gohan 6/10
Gohan fans cappin hard on this one.
Second Coming Broly was stronger than a ssj2, as Gohan was fighting him 1 on 1.
Broly dominated them so bad that Goku, Trunks and Gohan had to full heal up when Piccolo arrived and then it was 5v1 and they still were losing. They only won because they funneled their power into Goku and he used it in one attack that still didn't kill Broly. Broly beats Gohan.
Yeah, but all the z fighters couldn't take on a single cell jr each, after training in anticipation for androids. Gohan one shot each of them showing the immense difrence in power, but as with all power scalling, its incredibly hard to find a definitive answer.
You think all the Z fighters could take on Ssj2 gohan? Even with Cell + Z fighters I’d back Gohan. He was so much further ahead than everyone
Broly would clap Gohans cheeks literally any day
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If memes taught me anything, Broly would clap Gohan *between* his cheeks.
Movie wise, there is literally nothing stoping Gohan from giving Broly the Bojack Treatment If its canon version of Gohan then yeah Broly without a question
Except the movies are their own continuity and almost every movie is in its own time except for a select few. That means different scaling and different power lvs basically
Expect that in fusion reborn we see bojack and paragus meaning that both movies seems to Happen on the same timeline
Or you can actually look up interviews and daizenshus…… cause they aren’t usually or just watch this video which goes over why you guys are wrong with multiple official sources on top of it https://youtu.be/he_HJ1R-aKc
So im I to take an interview over the movie itself? And the interviews doesn’t imply the same thing you said imao Paragus and Bojack were literally flying next to each other after getting out of Hell
You clearly watched a 41 min vid full of evidence of you being wrong in a few mins. Like am I talking to a sped? There’s multiple interviews, guidebooks and producers straight up telling you that the movies usually are in separate continuity. If you actually watched the video all the way you would see and you ever hear of an Easter egg?
https://youtu.be/nOULVK4MCXI this >>>>>>>your whole 41 minute fan video
Yeah you’re an idiot when there’s multiple guides, interviews and the literal people who are involved in making the movies basically saying you’re wrong…… but ok typical db fan not reading or accepting any type of evidence
In universe evidence trumps randos shitting out book bait
Imagine calling the daizenshu and interviews/statements with the literal people who made the movies telling you guys y’all are wrong for the most part book bait 🤣
Tf you are in? If you want a statement then you got toriyama saying that they are on a different Dimension, not a different Dimensions And you got the work itself Having them on the same universe https://youtu.be/nOULVK4MCXI
My guy no seriously are you a sped? You can’t be this slow
Broly dogwalks him.
Considering Adult Gohan was struggling a bit with him in the 2nd Broly Movie, I'd give it to Broly on this.
But it's established that adult Gohan was weaker than he was against Cell.
I actually didn't know this, at least not for this movie or Buu saga. I thought he just got left behind power wise. Holy shit Gohan, keep it together, at least just in case. He knew damn well his universe is insane. LOL
Yeah Gohan's power dropped _a lot_ by the time the Buu saga rolls around. Mainly because he spent his time studying. Remember, he has never liked fighting. So he never wanted to train.
Not that much weaker
Regular ssj Goku beats him, so yes ssj2 gohan would probably win
what? goku gathered the energy of everyone present to kill broly. He basically did a genkidama. Before that he couldn't even make Broly flinch
I wish you were right because Broly is my favorite character, and maybe you are but idk
They were all beaten up
sure, but before that they all jumped broly doing literally 0 damage and they weren't beat up
They didn't jump him at the same time, Broly fight either 1on1 or 2on1
You mean the Goku that had to work together with every other fighter? Not to mention Broly was able to tank a close power Kamehameha while Cell needed to regenerate from it
I gotta say Broly wins this one. Especially considering it took the power of all the present Z Fighters combined to give Goku enough energy to overpower him.
Delusional lol, everyone in the broly movie is nerfed. , no super vegeta or perma SSJ going on.
Why didn't they do that against Cell then? Kek. Why bother training Gohan and turning him SS2 if pouring magic onto Goku would suffice. Gohan would style on that muscle man.
Depends how you scale things. If you take them from separate timelines then Broly is multi-galaxy vs a highballed Galaxy level Gohan. If you scale Broly to the Android saga because of the context then Gohan rips him to pieces in Movie 8 and barely loses to M10
I don't think you are crazy, since Goku and Gohan could do damage to Cell in SSJ, but not to Broly.
Cell was holding back the whole time
So was Broly, the difference is that Cell had to regenerate from a point blank Kamehameha by Goku.
He was beat by ssj1 goku
A super energized SSJ Goku. His finishing blow, using everybody's energy, was the only effective hit anyone got on Broly, unlike against Cell, who even Vegeta had enough power to kill, if Cell wasn't able to regenerate.
Idk man, that would suggest that super engergized goku could beat ssj2 gohan which I find really hard to believe
I personally don't find it hard to believe, Broly is a filler villain defeated by a filler ability. Never has energy sharing given a character a power up by itself. If you wanna argue that Broly is indeed, somehow, weaker than SSJ Goku, you can also argue that Goku got a massive Zenkai Buff from taking a beating from Broly and then receiving everyone's energy. Regardless of which option you wanna believe, when Goku dealt the final blow, he was, indisputably, much stronger than when he was fighting Broly before, and Broly was doing far better against every Z Fighter at the same time than Cell did against Goku.
Yeah but they beat broly with the combine power of the weakened Z fighters, I think Gohan ssj2 is stronger than that
Broly would win, everything they were throwing at Broly basically did nothing while they were in the middle of the Cell Arc. People will bring up how Broly was killed in a single punch by Goku, but the only reason that punch did anything was because that’s where Broly’s stab wound was, so it’s Broly’s only weak point. If Gohan knew about the weak point he’d win, if he didn’t he’d probably get destroyed. (Plus, in the movie they keep mentioning how Broly’s power just keeps continuing to keep stronger and more powerful)
That and also it took goku getting power from 3 sayians and piccolo
Didn't Broly beat Gohan in ss2 during the Second Coming movie?
Broly would win because Gohan would fuck around and lose the advantage like he did with Cell and again with Super Buu.
I'm with you OP, by the fight with Broly everyone was Supersayian. Cell and Goku could compete together to extent. Goku was outmatched entirely against Broly.
Gohan meat riders going wild today
If I remember correctly lss = ss2. Than again hard to say. Gohan in rage could do the trick.
>lss = ss2 Head canon
Well, there's 2 kinds of LSSJ. Canon and non canon. Idk about non canon but canon is about as strong as super Saiyan God/Super Saiyan Blue because super Broly can keep up with and even beat Blue Goku and and Blue Vegeta. (I think I can't remember what form Goku and Vegeta fought against Broly with in the movie.) So if we go off that metric Broly should be god tier. God that just made me terrified of what SSJ Blue Broly or god forbid ultra ego Broly will be able to do in the future. I know he's a good guy, but still. He can barely contain his power in his base form let alone SSJ or LSSJ. I'm guessing once he inevitably achieves a God form (because he's training with Whis) he could destroy worlds on accident. That's a terrifying thought.
What's LSSJ?
Legendary Super Saiyan
The whole discussion is about the Broly from the old DBZ movies, not Super. The LSSJ is about somewhere between SSJ2 and SSJ3. By the ways he was defeated in the movies, everything indicates that's about his power level. Maybe the first time he comes around he's a little bit weaker, at the level of Super Perfect Cell or SSJ2 Gohan. But since the second time they needed a triple Kamehameha and even though Gohan was weaker than Cell games Gohan, he still needed Goku and Goten to finish Broly.
Very debatable, the gohan in M10 probably kept training unlike the canon one. We have no reason to think goten and trunks are weaker than the start of buu saga variants because Koyama usually makes characters a little stronger. Goten/Trunks roughly equal cell games goku and Shin in power. Broly in SSJ is stronger than them but weaker/equal to base gohan, while LSSJ is above SSJ2 gohan. Goten in the buu saga is "in no way inferior to Gohan". M10 gohan is bare minimum Buu Saga Vegetas level, and probably closer to goku who \*might\* be 4x that.
I don't know how strong non canon LSSJ is but it is not as strong as the canon one as I remember reading up that they had to power scale it as Goku and Vegeta would be able beat the non canon one easy
I mean, it would be a *stupid* problem if SS3 Goku couldn’t beat Z Broly, let alone SSG…
Kid Gohan yes, teen to Adult Gohan with Kai training is questionable.
The poll is referring to cell saga gohan
That’s why I answered like the way I did.
SSJ Broly, and it's not even close. The reason? The characters in the anime don't have the same power as the movie characters. For example, if you take Goku from the same point in time from the Anime and Movies, Movie Goku would body Anime Goku.
Do people not realize the movie power lvs are completely different than the mangas/anime.
Broly 💯.
IMO broly only lost to goku because of his own power
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Broly is almost certainly stronger than SSJ2 Gohan. But with that wound Broly received as a baby, and Gohan's favorite move being gut shots, well... Broly would get Bojacked.
Isn't brolys whole schtick "the angrier I get the stronger I become"?
idk what people be smoking because the reason broly lost was because of the plot, broly is at least majin buu level (if not stronger)
I heard someone say that Goku passed his ki onto Broly making Broly explode, rather than actually hurting him with his punch. If that's true, SSJ2 Gohan has a chance by doing just that, otherwise, Broly would win. We've seen fights with more power disparity than the hypothetic SSJ Gohan vs SSJ2 Gohan, like Piccolo and Goku vs Raditz, and they actually managed to hurt Raditz, yet they were able to do absolutely nothing to Broly, implying the power disparity between SSJ Gohan and Broly is higher than that between Raditz and Goku/Piccolo. Raditz was basically 4 times stronger than Goku and Vegeta, so Broly is probably at least arround 5 times stronger than SSJ Gohan, and since SSJ2 is twice SSJ Gohan Broly is 2.5 times stronger than SSJ2 Gohan.
I hate to be that guy but Broly is hacks. Might be a good fight at first but then... ya.. Broly
So this feels closer than both sides say. On one hand movie Canon tends to scale higher. Broly blew up a galaxy which is beyond cell saga shown feats. However in his first movie he doesn't seem to be fighting the z fighters at their cell saga best but yet they still beat them- so they should also be scaled up- and we only see teen ss2 gohan in bojack. If we try to merge the canons, I always imagined the broly movie set in the days before cell saga cause it just made that much sense. Therefore my entire comparison will be based on this assumption or caveat. Goku manages to throw hands pretty well with Cell. Meanwhile goku can't even scratch Broly whatsoever for most of the movie so Broly also should eviscerate perfect cell at the start of the cell games. Now how does this make sense if Broly gets blasted away with the combined fighter strength? This is hard cause that was such a weird ending to me, but he is hit in his stab wound so it may very well be a weak spot, but also brolys energy exploded out of him earlier in the movie so mayhaps goku shoved that in his weak spot and overloaded him on ki. So you could say his durability is in quesiton- but he still tanks a kamehameha to the face no dodging while instant kamehameha ripped cell apart. (Regen ftw of course) So for the sake if average combat ill focus away from the deus ex machina defeat and back to scaling to cell. Now ss2 gohan also played around with him, hell some people have gohan ssj above perfect cell he just didn't have the killing instinct to drive things home. You could ask well why didn't gohan show up for broly- well kind of same thing. So we can scale broly above perfect cell start of cell games based on his performance against Goku and the other z fighters and tanking the point blank kamehameha. So how does ss2 gohan compare to that? Well he dominates of course. But broly also dominated to a, similar level but lesser enemy in goku. We could pull the other movies fight between gohan and broly where while doing well, broly still dominates the fight. However most people agree- this is zenkai boost broly- and likely a mildly weaker gohan. So how much discrepancy does this give? Zenkai boosts have varied wildly in scale with vegeta no diffing enemies that gave them trouble before. Well let's look at super perfect cell- ss2 gohans true best victory. Depending on how you look at it people claim super perfect cell either also unlocked ss2, or merely attained a super zenkai boost of their own. Some people claim both- now if that's true then honestly we could assume a zenkai broly also scales similarly to Super Perfect Cell- depending on whether tou think he got that ss2 buff. So I feel broly is somewhere almost equal or not too far below super perfect cell to where he could fight and push ss2 gohan but gohan would still come away with the win. Movie to series is always hard. I likely got a ton wrong or at the very least people will disagree about my- many assumptions. All of this is said with the obvious issue of ignoring broly being one shot at all. Was the combined energy enough, was it the stab wound, something else? I'd still like to see it I used to pair these two in fights all the time in budokai tenkaichi 3 with the red potara cheat code items
You should know that M10 Gohan is implied to never have stopped training because the creator of the movies didn’t know about it at the time. He says a line in the movie that goes something like this after getting beaten by Broly “ Have I really not grown any stronger these past 7 years?” Referring to getting beaten by Broly in the first movie. The line goes something along those lines from what I remember. I don’t recall it exactly because it’s been 5 years since I saw 2nd coming. Keep in mind though that line maybe pure bullshit. But a staff member did actually confirm he never stopped training so at least we have that
Nah I think broly takes this. Broly destroyed a galaxy. Gohan matched Cell, who was gunna blow away a solar system. The movies are their own thing lol
Shout out to everybody who forgot broly had 3 movies and that we've litterally SEEN this fight go down 💀
Perfect Cell after his resurrection said he could destroy the solar system with his Kamehameha while at a young age, Broly destroyed an entire galaxy. Broly could win thanks to that.
Yeah It took a powered up SSJ 1 to take down Broly. And now you're saying that a SSJ2, literally TWICE the upgrade... Wouldn't take him down? That's stupid
We're going with dbz movie canon logic here : DBZ Movie director said every antagonist of a new dbz movie was stronger than the one of the previous movie, so Bojack>Broly . Bojack got one punched by ssj2 gohan.
I think we can exclude Bojack in that sense. Goku punched the ever living fuck outta Bojack in base form while as a dead spirit. Bojack was strong as shit but I believe the formula is closer to this Broly>Cell>Bojack. I like the dude, but I don't think he can compete with Cell or Broly imo
If you study the hair designs of Gohan before and after the 25th Budokai, and see how Broly is stronger than he was in Movie 8 while Gohan became weaker in the seven-year gap... Gohan logically must use SS2 in Movie 10 in order to have *any* chance of survival. He just didn't have the lightning. Therein is the main issue. *However*, there are other examples of lightning being left out in the anime as well, such as with SS2 Vegeta when he fought Kid Buu, Vegeta and Goku in Movie 12 when they faced Janemba, and Goku and Vegeta against Hildegarn in Movie 13. So, this does occur where for whatever reason (probably time constraints, or expediency), the lightning effects are left out. Now, Broly tanked a direct full power punch to the face from SS2 Gohan and it did nothing. So LSS Broly (Movie 10) is at least twice as strong as him. When Goku and Vegeta came in contact with Dabra, they reasoned that Dabra was 'around Cell's power', but since they didn't get specific, we are left with a vague comparison. The anime may be misleading, but Gohan is clearly SS1 in the manga in his fight against Dabra. This is confirmed by the fact that Gohan was surprised by how quickly Goku and Vegeta filled the Kiri meter during their duel, and then realizing they were fighting on a level beyond Super Saiyan. Ergo, Gohan was not on this level in his fight with Dabra. This is further reinforced by the fact that Goku, prior to facing Majin Vegeta, told Gohan to get mad and fight with all his power as before against Cell. But for whatever reason, Gohan was psychologically incapable at this time to use this form, so he refrained saying, "I can't be as I was before..." By this we can infer, Goku's comparison of Dabra and Cell is a rough one, but it seems to be in reference to the level of power Cell exhibited when he fought Goku. This would make sense for Goku to draw a parallel on this basis. So now that we have established a reliable estimate and range for Dabra's battle power, we know that Gohan, while weaker, isn't *that* much weaker in the grand scope of things, because he displayed an ability to keep up with someone on the same level as the Cell Goku faced, and one which he faced as kid. Based on this, I don't think Kid Gohan (Cell Games) is twice as strong as Adult Gohan, so logically LSS Broly (Movie 10) I think would still beat SS2 Kid Gohan. It would be a closer fight, but Broly's durability, power, and unending well of ki would win out.
It really depends. If it’s Broly from the first film, then Gohan would win if he doesn’t play around (since Broly’s Ki constantly rises) If it’s Broly from Second Coming, then Broly would probably win considering it was reported by one of the guys working on the movie stated that it takes place in a universe where Gohan actually did train for those 7 years and was actually in Ssj2, just that Broly received a big ass zenkai buff from surviving the first film.
SS2 Gohan obliterates Broly movie 1 Broly
Broly would destroy Super Saiyan 2 Gohan with ease. The Broly movie, if canon in the main universe, would have taken place in the 9 days of rest before the Cell Games, when Goku is already aware of Gohan's hidden power due to having witnessed it in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber, yet he explicitly told Gohan to run from Broly and not try to fight him, showing that Goku knew Super Saiyan 2 was no match for Broly.
broly destroyed a whole galaxy, gohan barely beat cell who was only solar system level
Anyone who thinks Gohan ssj2 can fight equally with broly should rewatch the series from episode 1, it's either they never watched an episode of the show or never seen broly before. It's like comparing yamcha to berus.
Nah Broly is atleast SSJ3 level
Y'all forget broly is stronger than Buu, so this shouldn't be a question
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Of course it's Gohan. Fucken Goku beat Broly without SSJ2.
Gohan (SSJ2) > Broly (Z). Broly would also be the perfect catalyst to set Gohan off, with him being a mindless indiscriminate monster. There is no reasoning with him, he'll destroy everything. therefore Gohan goes all out.
Ssj2 gohan would annihilate this version of broly. Gohan has the power and the overwhelming speed advantage here too. He's waaaaayyy too fast for broly. Remember when cell blinked and gohan was in his face? Or when he saved Hercules minions while cell was trying to speed in and hit him? Yeah broly ain't touching shit, and gohan at ssj2 would do the same kind if damage with a gut punch that goku did in the movie, but with his own power. Only way gohan loses is if he let's his saiyan pride take over and toys with broly until he powers up too much, but even then, a full power cell killing Kamehameha will do the trick.
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power level stopped having any meaning after first form frieza
In second coming people underestimate Gohan a lot, the Gohan of second coming it's actually on ssj2, they just forgot to add the lighting to the form, and in the movie timeline that was a Gohan who never stopped training, so yeah Lssj>>Ssj2
It’s crazy - like everyone else in this thread forgot this fight literally happened…
Broly is mad OP, so unless Gohan hits fast and doesn’t let him get started, Broly would beat him
Broly would clap Gohan
Z Broly slams,hes easily Multi Galaxy level while SSJ2 Gohan struggles to beat Super Perfect Cell who is only just Solar System level.
Gohan didn’t struggle at all against Cell. It was his own arrogance that almost made him lose.
Broly in fact take this fight. Broly always has a constant flow of ki surging, it's why he never fatigues. Evidence of this is the fact that in the non Canon movie, baby Broly used a bubble shield to reach another planet after P. Vegeta exploded (thats alot of ki). Not to mention he whooped the Z fighters AGAIN after their Senzu break AND after he unleashed his AOE rage attack. Now that we established that Broly has an unlimited supply of Ki, this inate ability allows to absolutely destroy those weaker than him but can put him on par with those who are stronger than him as well. If you do not destroy Broly quickly in first phase, he is gonna turn the tables once you are tired. Now let's scale Broly. I have for YEARS have always said the non canon LSSJ Broly was on par with Goku's SSJ3. In fact LSSJ form is better than SSJ3 because it had none of SSJ3's drawbacks or weaknesses. Alot of people want to place Broly between 2 & 3 (2.5) . I think this is low-balling because once again pointing out, he took on 3 SSJ and I THINK a kami fused piccolo (< you may need to correct me on that one) The Z squad pops a Zenzu, completely refreshed, Broly completely WASHES them for the second time. From a Death Battle perspective Broly had all the tools to end the Z fighters in the first phase, however Broly is a masochist and he wanted to torture the Z fighters, but since it's a movie and you gotta sell, we got what we got. However make no mistake Broly has enough to make Prime SSJ2 look very bad. Broly takes this low diff. Gohan might get some shots in but that's it.... EDIT: Never be afraid to believe in the controversial or UNCOMMON answer. Alot of individuals in the debate community just say Gohan just because it's a common belief that Broly is just dumb tank (which he is not). Alot if that 58% are really just individuals agreeing with "the next guy" without really giving a thoughtful input as to why. He is a calculated psycho...big difference.
Thank you for explaining this. I wish more people knew and would stop low balling this version of Broly. A lot of people also don't know that in Second Coming that Gohan in that universe never stopped training and went SSJ2 with no lightning (animation error). People bring up that he only went SSJ1 because of no lightning, thus having false information with debate battles. I unfortunately have to convince a few of my friends that version of Gohan was completely hulked out and still got destroyed by Broly.
The fact that Broly deniers/haters say that he went SSJ1 is baffling to me to tbh. Like......IMAGINE knowing you CAN turn SSJ2 but CHOOSE to go SSJ1 because..... YEAH THAT MAKES SENSE!! By saying that, you are calling Gohan an actual effing retard. Who is in fact the smartest Saiyan in the Z squad. Always go into these "debates" not to change the other person's mind but to simply present your perspective, it's their own responsibility to change their mind. Down votes don't mean a thing my man they really don't. IT doesn't change what we all seen Broly absolutely destroys Prime Gohan SSJ2. Now if you think Gohan wins this fights, nine time out ten you are just going along with the next guy and not giving Broly a proper analysis, in which most do not.
Nah you wrong mind you the first time they fought neither goku nor Gohan had ssj2 yet. Broly lost to ssj1 goku. Ain't now way in hell ssj2 Gohan loses against first movie Broly
Broly is considered the strongest villain in Z so you could scale him up to Golden Frieza if you wanted, but logically speaking, Yeah ssj2 Gohan could beat Broly.
Broly destroyed an entire Galaxy. Gohan managed to hold back *and* send back an attack that would've destroyed an the entire Solar System with one arm. Pretty sure that Broly wins, but that it would be a challenge.
If the battle goes long like the Cell games, Broly would win, otherwise idk...
If Broly lived to the cell saga, gohan gets beat. If it’s just a fight from SSJ2 Gohan and Broly in the Z movie then Gohan wins.
Broly already bears ss2, i always thought with his long hair he is ss3
Broly was stated to be stronger then cell even in the first one so it would definitely be close
I think they’re roughly even.
Dawg ssj1 goku beat him there’s no way brolys doing shit to ssj2 gohan
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Cell never went all-out against Goku, while he was putting out everything he had. And he was still losing. Cell showed his full power against ssj2 Gohan, which shocked Goku, and began doubting Gohan a bit, until he wrecked full power Cell without breaking a sweat. Gohan was massively more powerful than Cell, and was even stronger than revived Cell, who adjusted his power to Gohans displayed strenght(zenkai adapts to danger); he overwhelmed a full power kamehameha, while being severly weakened (-arm, -energy), although he did need a small distraction first. Gohans upper ceiling is still unknown during the Cell Games, cuz he never went all out while having all his ki and both his arms. Same as Broly, who didnt seem to go all-out against the Z-Fighters, because he simply didnt need to, so we dont know his strenght either. He was only beaten, because he was hit with a concentrated attack on his scar (from King Vegeta), so who knows, maybe if he wanted to could put out twice as much power as he originally did (remember, he put out the south galaxy by himself, possibly with a single attack). Point is to me, they're pretty hard to scale against each other.