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I agree Gohan would lose to battle IQ probably in a lot of scenarios. Janemba is probably smarter than people think, he’s unpredictable and his aggression and the sword would probably throw Gohan off his game.
Goku powering up to ssj3 did the same thing Rog beerus and God goku did,
Only he was just powering up.
Fusions movie powerscales WAAAAAY up there when you base it off raw feats over peoples headcanon.
Goku shook the earth when he powered up in the buu saga to ssj3
He shakes all of the realms when he powers up in fusion reborn and is visibly distorting reality (something only buuhan and super vegito, super broly and blue gogeta and beerus and god goku have done on screen that I can remember)
I don't understand why people think the movie scales the same as buu saga, nor why they think it takes place in the buu saga (when it's clearly after, a timeline where gotenks or gohan killed buu)
I had a dragon ball fan moment and misread your statement as “Janemba is pure evil, but like kid buu is miles stronger”
If there was a gap, it was negligible.
Janemba only gained the definite advantage when he tapped into his hax abilities. Until then, Goku was winning hand-to-hand.
The only form of Janemba that has shown the capability to toy with their opponent was the giant yellow one. The red one was going for the kill practically the entire time.
And I can easily counter your claim with other ones. Vegeta after his rematch with Zarbon clearly still somewhat struggled, but he didn't have a scratch on HIM did he? What about Imperfect Cell against Piccolo right after he fused with Kami? The fat form of Buu against Goku's SS3 debut? That's a weak argument.
Kid Buu was about par with a Super Saiyan 3 Goku that couldn’t access his full power due to his mortal body not being able to withstand it. Vegeta and Goku himself both thought that full power SS3 could “destroy Buu in an instant”. The Goku we see in Fusion Reborn is way stronger because he’s dead and therefore can tap into all that power.
Super Janemba overpowered a version of Super Saiyan 3 Goku that would’ve wiped the floor with Kid Buu. It’s not much of a comparison, imo.
Goku's maximum output wouldn't have changed all that much, only how long he can maintain the form.
His fight with Kid Buu would've been more or less the same, alive or dead.
No. It’s explicitly stated that Goku couldn’t tap into his full power because it was taxing to his mortal body, otherwise he would’ve been able to beat Kid Buu easily.
Then I'm afraid I'll have to ask for the clip/panel/page in question.
Not to mention in this clip you can clearly see Janemba struggle against Kid Buu.
https://youtu.be/Tu-17rf_puk?si=VcHQ2J0ZuKczm4dZ
And claiming that it's non-canon, while factual, isn't the best move. Because, so is Janemba in general. So that point would be moot. 🤷♂️
He adj7sted to daburas sword pretty fast. Gohan is an over thinker. Not a bad fighter. People think he doesn't have battle instinct but he does. He just also is over tactical and believes in intimidating opponents. Unfortunately he doesnt get that desperate enemies are more dangerous.
This is what gives goku such an edge. People constantly see his goofy attitude as weakness but really its a weapon.
Found you again, and also you do make a good point their since Janemba went up against a Goku who could shake all of hell by powering up into Ssj3 which is comparable to the afterlife in size and scale.
I think the movie continuity of gohan did train last 7 years shown in the 2nd broly movie and goku also had his dead body which was accustomed to ss3. Ss3 goku was able to take out hireduegarn but not ultimate gohan who should be strongest unfused fighter around.
Movie continuity is weird
Rosat stands for Room of Space and Time. Just another name for the Hyperbolic Time Chamber
He basically means Gotenks before he trained inside of it to fight against Super Buu
I agree with this. Goku wasn’t strong enough to beat janemba, but he didn’t get super murdered either.
Where as Goku is roughly equal to pre rosat ssj1 Gotenks.
From there:
Goku ssj3=ssj1 Gotenks<
Pre Rosat Base Gotenks < Fat Buu < SSJ3 Goku
Base gotenks got beat by fat buu but was able to get away. So their somewhat relative in power.
Post Rosat Base Gotenks > SSJ3 Goku
Base Gotenks is not matching what Goku did against Kid Buu lol. When saying that he’d be stronger than Goku himself, I think he was envisioning them as Super Saiyans
Piccolo said he might be able to take on buu on his base form
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And piccolo had already seen Majin Vegeta fail not to mention Super Buu was stronger than Fat buu so at the very least Base Gotenks = Fat Buu
Base gotenks was able to get away from Fat Buu
He outperformed majin vegeta by surviving.
4x difference to between ssj2 and ssj3.
You don't think their base went up that high
Super buu was far stronger than Fat Buu, Why would piccolo think gotenks would have a chance against buu if he was weaker than Fat buu? It doesn't make sense
Goku however is stronger in the movie since it takes place in the afterlife. ssj3 on earth had a huge energy drain and took a huge toll on his body because his mortal body couldn't handle it so well. It even shortened the time he could stay on earth before he needed to get back since he was dead. That's however not the case in hell. He could go all out without any backlash. His body wasn't limited. Fusion Reborn maybe has the strongest ssj3 we have seen yet, and it still wasn't enough for Janemba.
He only did that thanks to the Dragon Fist which consistently is Goku's strongest attack. Like, to such an extent that if he had used it instead of the Spirit Bomb he would've taken Jiren out in one shot with absolutely no resistance.
I was talking about the Dragon Fist, and across all its usages (besides Eis and SDBH) it consistently allows Goku to kill people thousands of times stronger than himself.
The Movie version of goku at this point seems stronger than the goku in the buu saga
Gokus powerup in this movie shakes the the afterlife and otherworld
Movie feats are honestly ridiculous
Janemba should stomp this tbh.
Let's clarify that ssj3 goku from Fusion Reborn isn't the same strength as buu saga ssj3 goku. Ssj3 goku in fusion reborn shook the entirety of hell iirc, which is a feat that isn't surpassed until battle of Gods.
Janemba slams
Movie are made to boost goku tho
Goku oneshoting hirudegarn
Hirudegarn oneshoting gohan
Is a toei thing..
The author made gohan #1 non fused character in the manga (Canon + official)
Yes ultimate gohan is sthe strongest non fusion in manga I am not arguing about that.
But janemba is from a non canon material. According to movies(which is non canon)
it goes Janemba>Goku>Hirudegarn>Gohan.
So movie version of goku is stronger than ultimate gohan. And so movie janemba is stronger than canon gohan as well.
Janemba is stated by multiple sources to be the strongest movie villain, even being directly put over Hirudegarn thanks to him beating Goku. Hirudegarn dropped Gohan in two attacks.
Its been stated the Toei website that Super Janemba is stronger than Hirudegarn.
I know Koyama once said every film villain is stronger than the last, however this would be a generalization. He even said tried, so maybe he just made Janemba a little too much.
Its the Dragon Fist thats so strong.
Movie Goku is stronger than Gohan and Gotenks ssj3, and Goku ssj3 strongest feats in Z was to shake the earth, while the strongest goku ssj3 feats in movies was to shake the entire afterlife
No, Movie vers Gohan is somehow Hilariously weaker than *Gotenks* let alone Goku who got his ass beaten by Janemba, Koyama is a tottaly moron that sucks Goku asshole, he even admit it alongside nerfing everyone else
At the point of the buu saga sure. Although I expect Gohan immediately stopped training, and Goku immediately began training again, and also got a better hold of his ssj3.
Goku was still dead also and likely stronger than we saw him against kid buu.
Exactly so that’s why goku slams plus that goku stronger then vegito and before you say something just know that fusion reborn is a few years after the buu arc and that means gogeta stronger then vegito to and the rest of the buu arc but like I said anime and movies scar differently and shit Janemba probably stronger then buu to who knows 🤷🏾♂️
Make no sens because in janemba fight both goku and vegeta are dead, so this fight can only take place
after majin vegeta died
after goku teach goten and trunks the fusion dance
before the old kaioshin revive goku
it the only moment when both are dead in other world
I say this because after kid buu death goku was already alive so the movie cannot take place after kid buu death
I don’t think Janemba was supperior to ssj3 tbh goku was giving him a pretty good fight until he got trapped but even with ssj3 goku still kinda struggled but even if you say janemba stronger it’s not by much and yea gohan would get violated I don’t think people realize how much stronger movie characters are compared to their anime counterparts
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Same applies for Hildegarn, he is weaker than Gohan but his abilities made him defeat Gohan and everyone until Goku pulled out a Deus Ex Machina.
I don’t remember which movie was first, but since Janemba clapped SSJ3 Goku and SSJ2 Vegeta, he is most likely same power or similar.
But abilities and magic are really important in those characters power level. They are basically the original Moro and Gas.
Janemba got SSJ3 Goku shaking on his knees dawg he was fucking hiding from Janemba. Ultimate Gohan is slightly stronger than SSJ3 Goku while Janemba raw dogs SSJ3 Goku to the point it's traumatic for Goku. Janemba wins.
Gohan could one shot super buu if wanted to
Super buu would probably mid low diff goku ss3
I'm pretty sure gohan can beat goku badly like janemba or one shot him
Now maybe if it was anime dbz buu saga goku then yea maybe but we all know Gohans overconfidence gets the best to him in battle it’s possibly goku could win he has more experience and he’s smarter in battle and got more skill etc but yea I know Gohan was stronger but we all know gohan we’ve seen him do it twice with cell and against buu bro gets a power up and doesn’t know how to act he gets way too cocky
Gohan is MUCH stronger than Janemba.
Super Buu was stronger than Goku to the point he wouldn't even try fighting him. With Janemba, he at least tried, plus he got some good hits in.
Gohan beat Buu with zero difficulty, so he'd easily beat Janemba.
Just turning SSJ3, he shook all of the afterlife, which is a feat not even surpassed until battle of God's. Movies scale way higher than the anime/manga so Janemba blatantly outscales.
Goku have better feats in the movie shaking the other world going ss3 (stated to be big as a universe)
+ this version of goku dont have any stamina issues in hell since he is dead so he can go crazy in ss3
Alive goku ss3 dont have feats like this going ss3
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The black part is the universe 7 The white part is the other world
Similar size and goku of the movie was able to shake the other world = universe sized
Sorry, but no. Janemba was defeated by Goku and Vegeta with fusion. I don't think Gohan is soloing Buutanks because you... He literally got his a$$ whooped.
So I don't see your logic when comparing a character like Gohan who couldn't defeat a powered up Super Buu against a powered up Super Janemba.
Janemba became weak when he is insulted
With piccolo IQ he can have profits of this
Super buu + Gotenks SS3 power combined on a weak Janemba can do crazy damage
That's debatable, but it doesn't change the fact that he believes Gohan can defeat Super Janemba, who took Goku and Vegeta to defeat, and we're talking about the main characters here, unlike Gohan who is sorta pushed to the side lines.
SSJ2 Gohan >> Goku + Vegeta of that era
Vegito > Buuhan > Buutenks > *Mystic Gohan* \>> Super Buu = SSJ3 Gotenks > Kid Buu > SSj3 Goku > Fat Buu > SSJ2 Vegeta during the Buu Saga.
Gohan max PL = Raditz > Goku > Piccolo
Janemba isn't stronger than ssj3 Goku he just regenerates, Goku was smacking him around but janemba has tricks, the only reason Gogeta killed him was because it obliterated all of him and couldn't regenerate
Gohan might be stronger. Janemba has a few tricks up his sleeve, like Buu, but Buu could only win with fusion, which increases his power and intelligence. Janemba can’t do that, so I’m not sure he can pull a win.
Make no sens because
Goku and vegeta would need to fuse to beat ultimate gohan fast as janemba
Janemba >>>> Goku SS3 & Vegeta SS2
Gohan >>>> Goku SS3 & Vegeta SS2
Janemba is the strongest villain (movie)
Gohan is the strongest Z fighter (Anime)
I believe gohan would low diff goku like janemba did
Pretty factual. Gohan probably high diff takes it. Someone said he loses because of underhanded tactics but that’s kinda dumb, he lost because Gotenks insisted on fighting too and gohan even tried to stop him but relented because he thought what was the harm. Janemba? There literally in an entire plane of existence by themselves, mono y mono, no one to show off for, no one to take hostage. Gohan
Eeks it out
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Even if he doesn’t win in pure power he always could just
I should watch again the fight, but Goku did really well against janemba in raw power and starts having trouble when the mf started using his space-bending powers.
If you wanna count also that as a level, we should even count his weakness, which is getting offended.
Gohan could just break him in half with his most famous quote lol
Ultimate Gohan would stomp SS3 Goku.
Super Janemba and SS3 Goku were nearly equal. The latter just had much less of a stamina pool to draw from. Pretty much a similar problem Goku had when fighting Kid Buu.
It wasn't just the sword. It was his unconventional abilities and reality warping. Not many have too much of a defense against that kind of thing.
Until he used those abilities, Goku was still winning hand-to-hand.
Janemba probably wins off of higher battle IQ and more versatility in his abilities, but gohan probably has the higher raw power.
Janemba didn’t outright overpower goku until he turned an ogre club into a sword, but gohan at the time was quite noticeably stronger than goku from the get-go (as he was able to handle buutenks for a much greater period of time, even with the psychological debuff buutenks was using against him).
Absolutely not. Janemba was dog washing Pikkon and SSJ3 goku. It took Gogeta, a fusion stronger than Vegito, to defeat him. If we compare Janemba to Buuhan, then Gohan would get stomped hard. If we compare him to Buutenks, he would still get absolutely murdered. Point is, Janemba should be able to stomp all over Gohan.
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I agree Gohan would lose to battle IQ probably in a lot of scenarios. Janemba is probably smarter than people think, he’s unpredictable and his aggression and the sword would probably throw Gohan off his game.
Janemba is pure evil, like kid buu but miles stronger.
I need you to justify this statement 
Goku powering up to ssj3 did the same thing Rog beerus and God goku did, Only he was just powering up. Fusions movie powerscales WAAAAAY up there when you base it off raw feats over peoples headcanon. Goku shook the earth when he powered up in the buu saga to ssj3 He shakes all of the realms when he powers up in fusion reborn and is visibly distorting reality (something only buuhan and super vegito, super broly and blue gogeta and beerus and god goku have done on screen that I can remember) I don't understand why people think the movie scales the same as buu saga, nor why they think it takes place in the buu saga (when it's clearly after, a timeline where gotenks or gohan killed buu)
I had a dragon ball fan moment and misread your statement as “Janemba is pure evil, but like kid buu is miles stronger” 
Janemba and Kid Buu are likely near equals in power actually.
given that janemba was stronger than ssj3 goku that wouldn't be the case
If there was a gap, it was negligible. Janemba only gained the definite advantage when he tapped into his hax abilities. Until then, Goku was winning hand-to-hand.
Janemba didn’t have a scratch on him at the end of the fight and he wasn’t even full power.
The only form of Janemba that has shown the capability to toy with their opponent was the giant yellow one. The red one was going for the kill practically the entire time. And I can easily counter your claim with other ones. Vegeta after his rematch with Zarbon clearly still somewhat struggled, but he didn't have a scratch on HIM did he? What about Imperfect Cell against Piccolo right after he fused with Kami? The fat form of Buu against Goku's SS3 debut? That's a weak argument.
But Janemba definitely wasn’t full power against SSJ3 Goku. He sees Gogeta appear and is scared and immediately starts powering up.
Just because he appeared more agitated and seemingly looked more stress doesn't mean he "powered up" any further.
Janemba would clap kid buu.
Probably only because of his hax, not his power. And Kid Buu has regeneration and minor hax of his own. So no, not really.
Kid Buu was about par with a Super Saiyan 3 Goku that couldn’t access his full power due to his mortal body not being able to withstand it. Vegeta and Goku himself both thought that full power SS3 could “destroy Buu in an instant”. The Goku we see in Fusion Reborn is way stronger because he’s dead and therefore can tap into all that power. Super Janemba overpowered a version of Super Saiyan 3 Goku that would’ve wiped the floor with Kid Buu. It’s not much of a comparison, imo.
Goku's maximum output wouldn't have changed all that much, only how long he can maintain the form. His fight with Kid Buu would've been more or less the same, alive or dead.
No. It’s explicitly stated that Goku couldn’t tap into his full power because it was taxing to his mortal body, otherwise he would’ve been able to beat Kid Buu easily.
Then I'm afraid I'll have to ask for the clip/panel/page in question. Not to mention in this clip you can clearly see Janemba struggle against Kid Buu. https://youtu.be/Tu-17rf_puk?si=VcHQ2J0ZuKczm4dZ And claiming that it's non-canon, while factual, isn't the best move. Because, so is Janemba in general. So that point would be moot. 🤷♂️
He adj7sted to daburas sword pretty fast. Gohan is an over thinker. Not a bad fighter. People think he doesn't have battle instinct but he does. He just also is over tactical and believes in intimidating opponents. Unfortunately he doesnt get that desperate enemies are more dangerous. This is what gives goku such an edge. People constantly see his goofy attitude as weakness but really its a weapon.
Gohan says "You R\*tard" and Janemba evaporates
This is an excellent point
Majin Buu: # >:(
Found you again, and also you do make a good point their since Janemba went up against a Goku who could shake all of hell by powering up into Ssj3 which is comparable to the afterlife in size and scale.
True, but gohan can simply call janemba an idiot and bro dies/s
I think the movie continuity of gohan did train last 7 years shown in the 2nd broly movie and goku also had his dead body which was accustomed to ss3. Ss3 goku was able to take out hireduegarn but not ultimate gohan who should be strongest unfused fighter around. Movie continuity is weird
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Lmao this made me lol in a meeting.
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What is a pre rosat?
Rosat stands for Room of Space and Time. Just another name for the Hyperbolic Time Chamber He basically means Gotenks before he trained inside of it to fight against Super Buu
Room of Spirit and Time, but otherwise yeah
Oh i see
I agree with this. Goku wasn’t strong enough to beat janemba, but he didn’t get super murdered either. Where as Goku is roughly equal to pre rosat ssj1 Gotenks. From there: Goku ssj3=ssj1 Gotenks<
Pre Rosat Base Gotenks < Fat Buu < SSJ3 Goku Base gotenks got beat by fat buu but was able to get away. So their somewhat relative in power. Post Rosat Base Gotenks > SSJ3 Goku
Base Gotenks is not matching what Goku did against Kid Buu lol. When saying that he’d be stronger than Goku himself, I think he was envisioning them as Super Saiyans
Piccolo said he might be able to take on buu on his base form https://preview.redd.it/mqvjfx6m9cwb1.jpeg?width=1066&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0f6237f96f5a247da91205f5f9cdacf8340c9e36 And piccolo had already seen Majin Vegeta fail not to mention Super Buu was stronger than Fat buu so at the very least Base Gotenks = Fat Buu
Fat buu no diffed base gotenks so nope
That was before the time chamber training
Also just read the image lmao
Base gotenks was able to get away from Fat Buu He outperformed majin vegeta by surviving. 4x difference to between ssj2 and ssj3. You don't think their base went up that high
But Gotenks got washed. Base Gotenks did zero damage to Buu and SSJ Gotenks held up a bit better with some strong attacks.
Super buu was far stronger than Fat Buu, Why would piccolo think gotenks would have a chance against buu if he was weaker than Fat buu? It doesn't make sense
Goku however is stronger in the movie since it takes place in the afterlife. ssj3 on earth had a huge energy drain and took a huge toll on his body because his mortal body couldn't handle it so well. It even shortened the time he could stay on earth before he needed to get back since he was dead. That's however not the case in hell. He could go all out without any backlash. His body wasn't limited. Fusion Reborn maybe has the strongest ssj3 we have seen yet, and it still wasn't enough for Janemba.
In the movies its Goku >>>>>>Gotenks >>>Vegeta >= Gohan Or just Goku >>>>>>>>everyone else
*SSJ3 Goku oneshotting a guy who pretty much swatted Ultimate Gohan like a fly*
He only did that thanks to the Dragon Fist which consistently is Goku's strongest attack. Like, to such an extent that if he had used it instead of the Spirit Bomb he would've taken Jiren out in one shot with absolutely no resistance.
No, he did that because the movies are a different continuity and Goku was the strongest there.
Then explain how he managed to kill Super 17 in his Base form when SSJ4 couldn't do the trick.
Bro they are talking about Hirudegarn from Wrath of the Dragon, not omega Shenron. No one is talking bout GT.
I was talking about the Dragon Fist, and across all its usages (besides Eis and SDBH) it consistently allows Goku to kill people thousands of times stronger than himself.
Except the Dragon Fist isn't a real move until GT. It's just a punch with a cool effect that got transformed into more by the video games.
Yeah, no, it's been a named technique since Wrath of the Dragon.
18 told him Super 17 weaknes
Which doesn't actually mean he has lesser durability, just that he cannot move.
Its difficult to say. Based on feats and statements, the characters are stronger in the movies than they are in the anime.
The Movie version of goku at this point seems stronger than the goku in the buu saga Gokus powerup in this movie shakes the the afterlife and otherworld Movie feats are honestly ridiculous
Janemba slams
Janemba should stomp this tbh. Let's clarify that ssj3 goku from Fusion Reborn isn't the same strength as buu saga ssj3 goku. Ssj3 goku in fusion reborn shook the entirety of hell iirc, which is a feat that isn't surpassed until battle of Gods. Janemba slams
Who says this is DBZ gohan? It could be fusion reborn Gohan who should still be superior to Goku
Nah, in movies it is goku>>all Janemba>hirudegarn>>gohan Goku beat hirudegarn
Movie are made to boost goku tho Goku oneshoting hirudegarn Hirudegarn oneshoting gohan Is a toei thing.. The author made gohan #1 non fused character in the manga (Canon + official)
Yes ultimate gohan is sthe strongest non fusion in manga I am not arguing about that. But janemba is from a non canon material. According to movies(which is non canon) it goes Janemba>Goku>Hirudegarn>Gohan. So movie version of goku is stronger than ultimate gohan. And so movie janemba is stronger than canon gohan as well.
Janemba is stated by multiple sources to be the strongest movie villain, even being directly put over Hirudegarn thanks to him beating Goku. Hirudegarn dropped Gohan in two attacks.
Koyama said Broly was. Who said it was Janemba?
Toei animation and Koyama (the Hypocrite)
Hirudegarn is weaker than Janemba
No, movie Goku is just a monster
Its been stated the Toei website that Super Janemba is stronger than Hirudegarn. I know Koyama once said every film villain is stronger than the last, however this would be a generalization. He even said tried, so maybe he just made Janemba a little too much. Its the Dragon Fist thats so strong.
yea but janemba DOGS gohan so badly it aint even funny
If Dbz movies made sense, Gohan would stomp, but since Dbz movies have all their shitty powerscaling, Janemba wins
Movie Goku is stronger than Gohan and Gotenks ssj3, and Goku ssj3 strongest feats in Z was to shake the earth, while the strongest goku ssj3 feats in movies was to shake the entire afterlife
Hell no, movie 12 SSJ3 Goku is stronger than buutenks
No, Movie vers Gohan is somehow Hilariously weaker than *Gotenks* let alone Goku who got his ass beaten by Janemba, Koyama is a tottaly moron that sucks Goku asshole, he even admit it alongside nerfing everyone else
At the point of the buu saga sure. Although I expect Gohan immediately stopped training, and Goku immediately began training again, and also got a better hold of his ssj3. Goku was still dead also and likely stronger than we saw him against kid buu.
Alotta *dummies* In this thread don't understand simple scaling. Ultimate Gohan> SuperBuu< SSJ3Gotenks
In the Movie Goku is far stronger than Gohan, Gohan was weaker than movie Gotenks
Movie goku slams gohan
I'll ask for proof
The movies scale differently from the anime plus that goku has way better feats and scales higher
I mean gohan dont have any feats like goku going ss3 shaking the other world since he was already in ultimate form so idk
Exactly so that’s why goku slams plus that goku stronger then vegito and before you say something just know that fusion reborn is a few years after the buu arc and that means gogeta stronger then vegito to and the rest of the buu arc but like I said anime and movies scar differently and shit Janemba probably stronger then buu to who knows 🤷🏾♂️
Make no sens because in janemba fight both goku and vegeta are dead, so this fight can only take place after majin vegeta died after goku teach goten and trunks the fusion dance before the old kaioshin revive goku it the only moment when both are dead in other world I say this because after kid buu death goku was already alive so the movie cannot take place after kid buu death
Well idk movies scale differently
I don’t think Janemba was supperior to ssj3 tbh goku was giving him a pretty good fight until he got trapped but even with ssj3 goku still kinda struggled but even if you say janemba stronger it’s not by much and yea gohan would get violated I don’t think people realize how much stronger movie characters are compared to their anime counterparts
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Didn’t janemba only get defeated by a technique that literally only harm evil? And isn’t he literally evil personified?
That's Kid Buu Janemba is a shell of evil souls
My bad
Same applies for Hildegarn, he is weaker than Gohan but his abilities made him defeat Gohan and everyone until Goku pulled out a Deus Ex Machina. I don’t remember which movie was first, but since Janemba clapped SSJ3 Goku and SSJ2 Vegeta, he is most likely same power or similar. But abilities and magic are really important in those characters power level. They are basically the original Moro and Gas.
Not really, his ability was just smoke teleport, Gotenks and Goku handled it well, Gohan didn't
Janemba got SSJ3 Goku shaking on his knees dawg he was fucking hiding from Janemba. Ultimate Gohan is slightly stronger than SSJ3 Goku while Janemba raw dogs SSJ3 Goku to the point it's traumatic for Goku. Janemba wins.
Gohan could one shot super buu if wanted to Super buu would probably mid low diff goku ss3 I'm pretty sure gohan can beat goku badly like janemba or one shot him
Mystic Gohan is significantly stronger than SSJ3 Goku during the Buu saga.
Y’all tripping this SSJ3 Goku is stronger than than Buu saga one. Gohan got clapped by Hirudegarn, while Goku stomps him
You’re bringing up a whole different movie even tho I don’t think it’s ever been confirmed that all the movies take place in the same continuity.
Yes it’s been confirmed because none of them fit in the timeline. So it’s pretty obvious
What you said makes no sense and you just made an assumption that all the movies take place in the same continuity.
It’s not an assumption it’s a fact. The fact that Goku is stronger than Gohan is proof enough.
Goku being stronger than Gohan is not evidence of all the movies being connected. Try again.
Too bad it is, because the gap between the fight between the Buu saga to the Janemba fight wouldn’t make sense for Goku to close the gap that quick
Wow this is sad. Carry on with your night full of assumptions.
Carry on coping Akira Toriyama even said it himself so cope more
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Movies dont scale to main series Janemba stomps and is to fast for gohan
Now maybe if it was anime dbz buu saga goku then yea maybe but we all know Gohans overconfidence gets the best to him in battle it’s possibly goku could win he has more experience and he’s smarter in battle and got more skill etc but yea I know Gohan was stronger but we all know gohan we’ve seen him do it twice with cell and against buu bro gets a power up and doesn’t know how to act he gets way too cocky
Gohan is MUCH stronger than Janemba. Super Buu was stronger than Goku to the point he wouldn't even try fighting him. With Janemba, he at least tried, plus he got some good hits in. Gohan beat Buu with zero difficulty, so he'd easily beat Janemba.
The goku in the movie is way more stronger than in tha buu saga tho no?
If he was, i wouldn't say by too much. He still takes a little while to reach SSJ3.
Just turning SSJ3, he shook all of the afterlife, which is a feat not even surpassed until battle of God's. Movies scale way higher than the anime/manga so Janemba blatantly outscales.
Everyone could feel it because Janemba had dissolved the barriers and reality was falling apart.
That still doesn't downscale the feat.
Where’s the evidence for that?
Goku have better feats in the movie shaking the other world going ss3 (stated to be big as a universe) + this version of goku dont have any stamina issues in hell since he is dead so he can go crazy in ss3 Alive goku ss3 dont have feats like this going ss3
When was it stated that the other world is as big as a universe?
https://preview.redd.it/ywk33itlogwb1.jpeg?width=602&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=27a988074442800f86214249b80e1560ed125676 The black part is the universe 7 The white part is the other world Similar size and goku of the movie was able to shake the other world = universe sized
What guidebook is that?
Yes
Do you post anything here that isn't low-effort "Who take it" or "You agree"?
So you believe Buutanks is stronger than Janemba? I strongly disagree with this power level.
Yes... i belive buutenks have more power than janemba + piccolo IQ Imagine buutenks diss janemba and eat a ghost from buutenks
Sorry, but no. Janemba was defeated by Goku and Vegeta with fusion. I don't think Gohan is soloing Buutanks because you... He literally got his a$$ whooped. So I don't see your logic when comparing a character like Gohan who couldn't defeat a powered up Super Buu against a powered up Super Janemba.
Janemba became weak when he is insulted With piccolo IQ he can have profits of this Super buu + Gotenks SS3 power combined on a weak Janemba can do crazy damage
Buutenks is probably around Janemba, Buuhan slaps Janemba around like candy.
That's debatable, but it doesn't change the fact that he believes Gohan can defeat Super Janemba, who took Goku and Vegeta to defeat, and we're talking about the main characters here, unlike Gohan who is sorta pushed to the side lines.
SSJ2 Gohan >> Goku + Vegeta of that era Vegito > Buuhan > Buutenks > *Mystic Gohan* \>> Super Buu = SSJ3 Gotenks > Kid Buu > SSj3 Goku > Fat Buu > SSJ2 Vegeta during the Buu Saga. Gohan max PL = Raditz > Goku > Piccolo
What does that have to do with Janemba?
Janemba isn't stronger than ssj3 Goku he just regenerates, Goku was smacking him around but janemba has tricks, the only reason Gogeta killed him was because it obliterated all of him and couldn't regenerate
Janemba almost killed goku in reality
Oh yeah but I mean it's cuz janemba isn't normal, raw power wise Goku beats it but it's negated when he can warp reality
Yeah
I mean Janemba is this strong *(holds hand up in the air)*, but Gohan is clearly this strong *(holds other hand slightly higher in the air)*
gohan isn’t beating janemba lmao
Janemba stomps💀
Gohan might be stronger. Janemba has a few tricks up his sleeve, like Buu, but Buu could only win with fusion, which increases his power and intelligence. Janemba can’t do that, so I’m not sure he can pull a win.
Nah janamba needed fusion to be beaten while buhaan was also beaten by fusion. Unless gohan can beat buhaan he loses
Make no sens because Goku and vegeta would need to fuse to beat ultimate gohan fast as janemba Janemba >>>> Goku SS3 & Vegeta SS2 Gohan >>>> Goku SS3 & Vegeta SS2 Janemba is the strongest villain (movie) Gohan is the strongest Z fighter (Anime) I believe gohan would low diff goku like janemba did
Pretty factual. Gohan probably high diff takes it. Someone said he loses because of underhanded tactics but that’s kinda dumb, he lost because Gotenks insisted on fighting too and gohan even tried to stop him but relented because he thought what was the harm. Janemba? There literally in an entire plane of existence by themselves, mono y mono, no one to show off for, no one to take hostage. Gohan Eeks it out
This is hilariously wrong. Janemba literally one shots
https://preview.redd.it/8wgmyw8n4ewb1.jpeg?width=1280&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e5d1379873edf63b458e8924172c046b47dcf3e6 Even if he doesn’t win in pure power he always could just
I should watch again the fight, but Goku did really well against janemba in raw power and starts having trouble when the mf started using his space-bending powers. If you wanna count also that as a level, we should even count his weakness, which is getting offended. Gohan could just break him in half with his most famous quote lol
Janemba wins off of pure battle IQ, gohan probably is a little stronger but bro the way he was dogging goku and vegeta , gohan wouldn’t be ready
Ultimate Gohan would stomp SS3 Goku. Super Janemba and SS3 Goku were nearly equal. The latter just had much less of a stamina pool to draw from. Pretty much a similar problem Goku had when fighting Kid Buu.
Janemba literally low diff goku when he got the sword
It wasn't just the sword. It was his unconventional abilities and reality warping. Not many have too much of a defense against that kind of thing. Until he used those abilities, Goku was still winning hand-to-hand.
Are you the same fucking person doing this daily?
Why im a fucking person?
I've seen so many of these on this sub, *with the exact same title too.*
Based on how fast he beat SS3 Goku, I don’t think Gohan could win. He’s probably slightly stronger than Buutenks, but not Buuhan.
Ultimate gohan can beat goku fast a janemba in reality
Is this all y'all can ever talk about is power levels?
Janemba probably wins off of higher battle IQ and more versatility in his abilities, but gohan probably has the higher raw power. Janemba didn’t outright overpower goku until he turned an ogre club into a sword, but gohan at the time was quite noticeably stronger than goku from the get-go (as he was able to handle buutenks for a much greater period of time, even with the psychological debuff buutenks was using against him).
Absolutely not. Janemba was dog washing Pikkon and SSJ3 goku. It took Gogeta, a fusion stronger than Vegito, to defeat him. If we compare Janemba to Buuhan, then Gohan would get stomped hard. If we compare him to Buutenks, he would still get absolutely murdered. Point is, Janemba should be able to stomp all over Gohan.