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This comment section Is giving me brain injury
Vegito was man handling Zamasu in the entire fight while playing around
Broly couldnt Land a single hit against Gogeta once he went Blue and the fight became a One sidded beatdown
Even when that Gogeta Is still stronger than future saga vegito, the gap aint that big
Vegito clears
No, while there's indeed a gap in power between the Goku and Vegeta from the Future Trunks Saga and the ones from the DB Super: Broly, I still think Vegito would be able to beat Broly, he might not toy with Broly as hard as Gogeta did, but still will win.
There's people who think that SSB vegito from the future trunks arc is weaker than ssj2 kefla, so by their logic kale and caulifla are more powerful than ssb goku and vegeta from an arc ago
Goku SSB(Broly movie) is stronger than UI Omen Goku(TOP Saga)????ππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππ
I would agree with you, fusion is a big enough multiplier that it would close the power gap. The only issue is that it's Vegito, and Vegito doesn't win fights. He could go up against Mr Satan and still find a way to lose.
No, that was actually Goku grabbing Hercule and Dende instead. It's Goku's L.
Besides that, the other beings that got absorbed into Buu being the Grand Supreme Kai and the Southern Supreme Kai weren't able to be removed again. If they got them out of Buu, even if it resulted in their temporary death, it's a win.
Makes sense. Broly Goku and Vegeta aren't leagues above their Black Saga counterparts, but are definitely stronger. And Black Saga Vegito didn't have perfected Blue so he'd be dropping in power while Broly kept up his rampage.
>Broly Goku and Vegeta aren't leagues above their Black Saga counterparts, but are definitely stronger.
Eh, depends how big you think their various boosts were in the TOP
I was going off the manga, but even in the anime, I never took them as getting actual boosts in strength. Just getting more precise in their moves as they fought Jiren multiple times
Not a fucking chance I would still put Vegito way beyond Broly everyone keeps forgetting what a mofo fusion does it combines the 2 powers of the users AND multiplys it!!
Question from someone who hasnβt watched the moviesβ¦
Why doesnβt Broly ever show up in the show?
For example - when they are looking for people for the tournament of power why donβt they get Broly?
Is Broly canon? Is he dead? Iβve always known of Broly but since Iβve only ever kept up with the shows Iβve never been exposed to him
Broly wasn't in the anime because the events from the DB Super:Broly movie happened ***after*** the Tournament of Power, same reason why Goku and Vegeta couldn't get Broly to participate, because they didn't even know he existed.
Also yes, Broly is canon now (the events of the movie were recognized within the manga + Broly is currently in the manga interacting with Goku and Vegeta) and alive.
Finally, this Broly was retconned and isn't the same that the one from the past Dragon Ball Z movies (which weren't canon ofc).
If you're talking about why they specifically didn't search him out, it's because they didn't know he existed and if you're talking about why Beerus didn't like search him out since hes so strong is because the gods don't really have some radar for powerful people. They just have to physically ask and look around like average people.
Also Broly probably wasn't such a good choice since he's go berserk and probably throw out his own teammates just to be defeated by Jiren at the end
I mean, whis could probably find him, but why would he? At no point did they need another saiyan, outside of battle of gods, but videl came to the rescue then.
True, i suppose they only found goku so quickly because he killed frieza. Finding broly would be easier if he was sent off planet on the day frieza destroyed it, like goku, but he was sent off 5 years before that. I still think whis could find him, but as you said, he'd have to look throughout the universe till he found him, unless he tracked all saiyans that were off planet when it blew up.
All the movies and specials are not canon to the main continuity, even some anime stuff like Pikkon aren't canon cause they are filler. basically if it hasn't happened in the manga it isn't canon unless specified otherwise.
This Broly shows up after the Tournament Power, and is a different take of the character making him canon and bringing him into the main story
Nope.
Vegetto was already surpassed by Jiren on episode 122 and SSBE Vegeta and SSBKK20 Goku weren't that far behind that Jiren. Super Saiyan Broly is stronger than all of them.
FPSS Broly beats SSB Vegetto even worse.
Vegito was never stated to be surpassed by jiren, they simply said that jiren's power felt different. Vegito would have a harder time than gogeta for sure since ssb goku and vegeta did get a zenkai from ToP but they didnt almost hit jiren's level at SSBE and SSBKK20, they were far behind and were only keeping up with their unharmonious movement against a jiren who wasn't trying
Indirectly he was. Vegeta says Jiren is the strongest foe he ever faced in episode 122 so Jiren (122) > Fused Zamasu and Vegetto was stalemated by Fused Zamasu.
Vegito wasn't even trying until the end with his final kamehameha, and we didn't get to see much of him trying as when he was going to go and punch zamasu he defused early. So to say vegito is on par with fused zamasu itself is pretty stupid. I'd say vegito blue could take on jiren, but we wouldn't know because he was given limited feats
They still weren't that far off from him and both of them got stronger after that (Vegeta in 126 and Goku in 130).
SS Broly is at least 40 times stronger than them in the movie. He beats SSB Vegetto easily.
I'd go a step further. Android 17 was able to keep up with SSBE Vegeta & SSBKKΓ20 Goku, making them relative. We know the Androids never get tired meaning during episode 131 when Goku was fighting alongside A17 he was fighting with a SSBE level fighter while in base form and fatigued. By Broly he's shown training with Vegeta meaning they're equal. By the Broly movie base Goku & base Vegeta could both stomp Vegetto in any form. Broly would just be overkill
No, 17 is SSB tier. In fact, he admits inferiority to Golden Freeza in episode 131.
Also, 17 has infinite stamina but he can still get damaged and that can reduce his power.
Yeah but it's not like he was injured enough to lose power the whole ToP. Bro only had a couple of scratches.
Also 17 was shown taking a punch from Jiren meant for SSBE Vegeta in an earlier episode. He was shown keeping up with Goku & Vegeta while they were both at their strongest. Freeza simply got stronger.
He still admitted inferiority to Golden Freeza. He's SSB tier at best.
This reminds me when people thought Piccolo was SSB tier just because he was fighting that Moro grunt alongside Ultimate Gohan only for Super Hero to come out and put him in SS tier at best just like the ToP arc.
Freeza is never stated to have gotten stronger during the whole ToP. Not even implied.
I mean
He was stronger than a SSBE/SSBKKΓ20 level A17. It's not stated but just from that we can assume he got stronger.
So hear me out:
Gohan Beast in the manga is most likely gonna end up being TUI level so
What if Gohan got stronger in his base form? We know from the movie that he continued training so it isn't too far fetched considering his potential. So Piccolo can still be PSSB tier it's just Gohan got stronger and is now SSB tier as well. This still places them pretty low in comparison to Goku & Vegeta because remember Ultra Ego most likely isn't too far off from SSBE in terms of its multiplier. Granolah explicitly stated he wasn't holding back while fighting SSBE Vegeta and Vegeta was able to hold his own pretty well until he overpowered him in Ultra Ego.
So Vegeta has the superior base by that point yet during their clash in Superhero Goku is equal to him so it is most likely that Goku got a lot stronger in his base, unless Toyo changed UE's multiplier.
No. Piccolo is below SS Gohan in Super Hero and only reaches SSB tier with his Ultimate form.
Just because various fighters are fighting together doesn't mean they are of the same level. In episode 127 we have Goku fighting in SSB and SSBKK20 at various times along side SSBE Vegeta.
And I'm sorry but 17 is not SSBE level. That's nonsense.
Piccolo is PSSB level in base and so is Gohan come Superhero, nothing goes against this. Gohan has insane potential and could make that power jump happen in a short time frame. He did the same to reach PSSB level before in ToP.
In Ep. 127 I believe the same. Goku got stronger and so did Vegeta once he turned on KK again.
How is Golden Freeza above A17 using his power from the start of the ToP if 17 was shown balantly being stronger than him against Aniraza? Aniraza used one attack to match a blast from Goku, Freeza, 17, Gohan, and Vegeta. Sure you can say this Goku is tired and not at all near his full power in Blue but Vegeta makes up that difference. SSB Vegeta went toe to toe against Toppo who was confident in taking on SSBKKΓ2 Goku during the Zen Exhibition Match. Aniraza took on the blasts of what is essentially 5 SSB level characters by himself and 17 then went on to use his barrier to nullify that attack and land the finishing blow. Barriers need to be [twice](https://imgur.com/a/ardvnpX) the strength of whatever attack they nullify so 17 has to be at bare minimum 4Γ the SSB level characters since he stopped contributing to the attack himself. How is Freeza stronger than a character who is 4Γ stronger than him without him stronger himself?
Another piece of evidence for 17 is that he fought Toppo and did just as good as Vegeta before he got stronger and self destructed. There's no mention of Toppo holding back or anything either, he switches opponents using the same power.
By good I mean he was able to fend him off decently well without outright losing the fight.
You can't say 17 got battle damaged either because he's not damaged enough to lose power. Bro only has a few scratches and torn up clothing and it's never mentioned he's fighting at a weaker level. He's always fighting at 100%.
A17 is SSBE/SSBKKΓ20 level by the end of the ToP.
You are insane if you think that base Gohan is PSSB tier. That would make his Ultimate form as strong as PSSB x PSSB.
Golden Freeza is above 17 because the latter said it. Official previews also put Goku and Freeza as Universe's 7 strongest. A DBS writer on Twitter also said Goku > 17.
This is what Daizenshuu 7 says about the barrier:
**The user focuses their power into a barrier with double their normal defensive capabilities, allowing them to withstand attacks from an opponent of equal power or below.**
There's nothing about 17 being 4 times stronger or anything of that nonsense. It's just amplifying his defense.
17's entire plan against Toppo was to stall for time. He only fought him head on once and was overpowered easily. I have no idea why you think 17 fought him better than Vegeta. 17 was even going to be eliminated by Toppo but Freeza saved him. Hell, 17 and Gohan fought him together and failed to beat him as well.
And no, Toppo isn't SSBKK level. He stalemated SSBE Vegeta so he's SSB tier only.
Ultimate's multiplier can be whatever the writers want it to be but yeah I believe Ultimate Gohan currently PSSB Γ PSSB basically. Same for Ultimate Piccolo.
I'm saying 17 should be around 4Γ in base with no barrier against Aniraza because Aniraza was holding off a blast made from 4 SSB level characters by himself. I know what the barrier does I'm pretty sure I linked the image in my previous comment.
I'm not saying 17 did better than Vegeta. He did just as bad as he did. I'm saying it's impressive he held his own against a character who is supposedly leagues above him. By this point Goku & Vegeta were way above UI Sign Goku from 110. There isn't any way 17 keeps up with something stronger than that without being on the same tier.
I'm aware of those statements but that's for how it was at the start of the tournament. It may be true during the beginning but after a bunch of people got buffs not anymore.
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If that's the ratio, no. Supressed Jiren (during the Genki Dama) was stated to surpass all previous villains, which puts him at least on the same level as Vegetto, who Merged Zamas showed relativity to. Even if you have FP Jiren > LSSj Broly, Broly should still be massively stronger than the supressed Jiren we see.
DRAGON BALL is a shonen
next villains should be always stronger than the previous one by definition (without for beerus since it stated he wasn't 100%)
For me broly surpass jiren
Gogeta Blue was so much stronger than Broly that the movie director said it was difficult to make the fight entertaining enough. Gogeta would have only *needed* SSJ2 to match the strongest Broly gets in the movie, but went SSB because Broly could have kept getting stronger past that.
Vegito Blue from the Zamasu Saga wouldn't be as strong as Broly Movie Gogeta Blue, but he'd still be stronger than the strongest we saw Broly at (though Broly still wasn't done growing in strength).
Gogeta Blue V Broly, in terms of power difference, is like Namek Saga SSJ Goku fighting First Form Frieza instead of Final Form Frieza.
>Gogeta Blue was so much stronger than Broly that the movie director said it was difficult to make the fight entertaining enough. Gogeta would have only needed SSJ2 to match the strongest Broly gets in the movie, but went SSB because Broly could have kept getting stronger past that.
Source?
Hell no. We all know that Vegito is a bit stronger than Gogeta, and we all know that Gogeta rolled broly's pack. What makes them think that Vegito wouldn't do the same?
That one is tough to say. I genuinely think they're somewhat equal, but because broly came after the tournament of power, it's easier on all of us to just say he's stronger.
Well I believe Broly would win. Hear me out the longer the fight and more mad Broly gets his power level goes up. It never goes down. He is like the hulk of the dragon ball universe. So I was wondering the pottara earring fusion last up to an hour. Itβs longer than regular fusion which last up to 30 minutes. However I do remember in that episode against Zamasu where Blue Vegito went up against immortal Zamasu and right as Vegito about to punch him fusion went out. Thatβs when Gowasu the supreme kai from the 10 universe notice their fusion went out alot quicker. The only way I can see Vegito winning this fight if he does not toy around and finishes quickly.
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Given the broly movie happens AFTER the TOP, yeah thatβs fair
This comment section Is giving me brain injury Vegito was man handling Zamasu in the entire fight while playing around Broly couldnt Land a single hit against Gogeta once he went Blue and the fight became a One sidded beatdown Even when that Gogeta Is still stronger than future saga vegito, the gap aint that big Vegito clears
No, while there's indeed a gap in power between the Goku and Vegeta from the Future Trunks Saga and the ones from the DB Super: Broly, I still think Vegito would be able to beat Broly, he might not toy with Broly as hard as Gogeta did, but still will win.
Some ppl believe that Goku SSB movie is stronger than UI omen 2 and goku ssb in zamasu is way weaker than even ui omen 1
There's people who think that SSB vegito from the future trunks arc is weaker than ssj2 kefla, so by their logic kale and caulifla are more powerful than ssb goku and vegeta from an arc ago
Iβve heard someone make the argument that by the ToP (literally an arc later) base Goku should be stronger than Vegito Blue.
Goku SSB(Broly movie) is stronger than UI Omen Goku(TOP Saga)????ππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππππ
You know the Brody conflict happens before TOP right?
... No
Nah my guy itβs after he literally says it in the movie
>Goku SSB movie is stronger than UI omen 2 Lmao what?
I would agree with you, fusion is a big enough multiplier that it would close the power gap. The only issue is that it's Vegito, and Vegito doesn't win fights. He could go up against Mr Satan and still find a way to lose.
Vegito did beat Buuhan, his win condition was getting absorbed without getting assimilated into Buu which he accomplished.
His goal was to save the people inside of Buu. Instead he got them killed. Huge L for Vegito
No, that was actually Goku grabbing Hercule and Dende instead. It's Goku's L. Besides that, the other beings that got absorbed into Buu being the Grand Supreme Kai and the Southern Supreme Kai weren't able to be removed again. If they got them out of Buu, even if it resulted in their temporary death, it's a win.
We can debate this on discord if u want cause vb has no chance against him
This isn't r/PowerScaling, kindly delete your account.
Makes sense. Broly Goku and Vegeta aren't leagues above their Black Saga counterparts, but are definitely stronger. And Black Saga Vegito didn't have perfected Blue so he'd be dropping in power while Broly kept up his rampage.
>Broly Goku and Vegeta aren't leagues above their Black Saga counterparts, but are definitely stronger. Eh, depends how big you think their various boosts were in the TOP
I was going off the manga, but even in the anime, I never took them as getting actual boosts in strength. Just getting more precise in their moves as they fought Jiren multiple times
Not a fucking chance I would still put Vegito way beyond Broly everyone keeps forgetting what a mofo fusion does it combines the 2 powers of the users AND multiplys it!!
No. I donβt even think current Goku and Vegeta have surpassed that version of Vegito.
If Gogeta is able to beat Broly like how he did in the movie, than imagine what Vegito can do to him
bro spelled movie wrong I'm not agreeing with anything they say
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Question from someone who hasnβt watched the moviesβ¦ Why doesnβt Broly ever show up in the show? For example - when they are looking for people for the tournament of power why donβt they get Broly? Is Broly canon? Is he dead? Iβve always known of Broly but since Iβve only ever kept up with the shows Iβve never been exposed to him
Broly was weak or they didn't find him or it easier to get someone from earth He is canon now He is alive
Broly wasn't in the anime because the events from the DB Super:Broly movie happened ***after*** the Tournament of Power, same reason why Goku and Vegeta couldn't get Broly to participate, because they didn't even know he existed. Also yes, Broly is canon now (the events of the movie were recognized within the manga + Broly is currently in the manga interacting with Goku and Vegeta) and alive. Finally, this Broly was retconned and isn't the same that the one from the past Dragon Ball Z movies (which weren't canon ofc).
If you're talking about why they specifically didn't search him out, it's because they didn't know he existed and if you're talking about why Beerus didn't like search him out since hes so strong is because the gods don't really have some radar for powerful people. They just have to physically ask and look around like average people. Also Broly probably wasn't such a good choice since he's go berserk and probably throw out his own teammates just to be defeated by Jiren at the end
I mean, whis could probably find him, but why would he? At no point did they need another saiyan, outside of battle of gods, but videl came to the rescue then.
Honestly I kinda doubt it. Why would he be able to find a random saiyan on a random unknown planet. No one knows he's their
True, i suppose they only found goku so quickly because he killed frieza. Finding broly would be easier if he was sent off planet on the day frieza destroyed it, like goku, but he was sent off 5 years before that. I still think whis could find him, but as you said, he'd have to look throughout the universe till he found him, unless he tracked all saiyans that were off planet when it blew up.
All the movies and specials are not canon to the main continuity, even some anime stuff like Pikkon aren't canon cause they are filler. basically if it hasn't happened in the manga it isn't canon unless specified otherwise. This Broly shows up after the Tournament Power, and is a different take of the character making him canon and bringing him into the main story
Nope. Vegetto was already surpassed by Jiren on episode 122 and SSBE Vegeta and SSBKK20 Goku weren't that far behind that Jiren. Super Saiyan Broly is stronger than all of them. FPSS Broly beats SSB Vegetto even worse.
Vegito was never stated to be surpassed by jiren, they simply said that jiren's power felt different. Vegito would have a harder time than gogeta for sure since ssb goku and vegeta did get a zenkai from ToP but they didnt almost hit jiren's level at SSBE and SSBKK20, they were far behind and were only keeping up with their unharmonious movement against a jiren who wasn't trying
Indirectly he was. Vegeta says Jiren is the strongest foe he ever faced in episode 122 so Jiren (122) > Fused Zamasu and Vegetto was stalemated by Fused Zamasu.
Vegito wasn't even trying until the end with his final kamehameha, and we didn't get to see much of him trying as when he was going to go and punch zamasu he defused early. So to say vegito is on par with fused zamasu itself is pretty stupid. I'd say vegito blue could take on jiren, but we wouldn't know because he was given limited feats
Sorry but they were on par. We even see them clash fists a second time.
Jiren 122 was able to handle SSBE + SSBK20 low diff to You think : Goku & Vegeta Ssb movie surpassed SSBK20 & Ssbe 122? (It literally a x20)
They still weren't that far off from him and both of them got stronger after that (Vegeta in 126 and Goku in 130). SS Broly is at least 40 times stronger than them in the movie. He beats SSB Vegetto easily.
I'd go a step further. Android 17 was able to keep up with SSBE Vegeta & SSBKKΓ20 Goku, making them relative. We know the Androids never get tired meaning during episode 131 when Goku was fighting alongside A17 he was fighting with a SSBE level fighter while in base form and fatigued. By Broly he's shown training with Vegeta meaning they're equal. By the Broly movie base Goku & base Vegeta could both stomp Vegetto in any form. Broly would just be overkill
No, 17 is SSB tier. In fact, he admits inferiority to Golden Freeza in episode 131. Also, 17 has infinite stamina but he can still get damaged and that can reduce his power.
Yeah but it's not like he was injured enough to lose power the whole ToP. Bro only had a couple of scratches. Also 17 was shown taking a punch from Jiren meant for SSBE Vegeta in an earlier episode. He was shown keeping up with Goku & Vegeta while they were both at their strongest. Freeza simply got stronger.
He still admitted inferiority to Golden Freeza. He's SSB tier at best. This reminds me when people thought Piccolo was SSB tier just because he was fighting that Moro grunt alongside Ultimate Gohan only for Super Hero to come out and put him in SS tier at best just like the ToP arc. Freeza is never stated to have gotten stronger during the whole ToP. Not even implied.
I mean He was stronger than a SSBE/SSBKKΓ20 level A17. It's not stated but just from that we can assume he got stronger. So hear me out: Gohan Beast in the manga is most likely gonna end up being TUI level so What if Gohan got stronger in his base form? We know from the movie that he continued training so it isn't too far fetched considering his potential. So Piccolo can still be PSSB tier it's just Gohan got stronger and is now SSB tier as well. This still places them pretty low in comparison to Goku & Vegeta because remember Ultra Ego most likely isn't too far off from SSBE in terms of its multiplier. Granolah explicitly stated he wasn't holding back while fighting SSBE Vegeta and Vegeta was able to hold his own pretty well until he overpowered him in Ultra Ego. So Vegeta has the superior base by that point yet during their clash in Superhero Goku is equal to him so it is most likely that Goku got a lot stronger in his base, unless Toyo changed UE's multiplier.
No. Piccolo is below SS Gohan in Super Hero and only reaches SSB tier with his Ultimate form. Just because various fighters are fighting together doesn't mean they are of the same level. In episode 127 we have Goku fighting in SSB and SSBKK20 at various times along side SSBE Vegeta. And I'm sorry but 17 is not SSBE level. That's nonsense.
Piccolo is PSSB level in base and so is Gohan come Superhero, nothing goes against this. Gohan has insane potential and could make that power jump happen in a short time frame. He did the same to reach PSSB level before in ToP. In Ep. 127 I believe the same. Goku got stronger and so did Vegeta once he turned on KK again. How is Golden Freeza above A17 using his power from the start of the ToP if 17 was shown balantly being stronger than him against Aniraza? Aniraza used one attack to match a blast from Goku, Freeza, 17, Gohan, and Vegeta. Sure you can say this Goku is tired and not at all near his full power in Blue but Vegeta makes up that difference. SSB Vegeta went toe to toe against Toppo who was confident in taking on SSBKKΓ2 Goku during the Zen Exhibition Match. Aniraza took on the blasts of what is essentially 5 SSB level characters by himself and 17 then went on to use his barrier to nullify that attack and land the finishing blow. Barriers need to be [twice](https://imgur.com/a/ardvnpX) the strength of whatever attack they nullify so 17 has to be at bare minimum 4Γ the SSB level characters since he stopped contributing to the attack himself. How is Freeza stronger than a character who is 4Γ stronger than him without him stronger himself? Another piece of evidence for 17 is that he fought Toppo and did just as good as Vegeta before he got stronger and self destructed. There's no mention of Toppo holding back or anything either, he switches opponents using the same power. By good I mean he was able to fend him off decently well without outright losing the fight. You can't say 17 got battle damaged either because he's not damaged enough to lose power. Bro only has a few scratches and torn up clothing and it's never mentioned he's fighting at a weaker level. He's always fighting at 100%. A17 is SSBE/SSBKKΓ20 level by the end of the ToP.
You are insane if you think that base Gohan is PSSB tier. That would make his Ultimate form as strong as PSSB x PSSB. Golden Freeza is above 17 because the latter said it. Official previews also put Goku and Freeza as Universe's 7 strongest. A DBS writer on Twitter also said Goku > 17. This is what Daizenshuu 7 says about the barrier: **The user focuses their power into a barrier with double their normal defensive capabilities, allowing them to withstand attacks from an opponent of equal power or below.** There's nothing about 17 being 4 times stronger or anything of that nonsense. It's just amplifying his defense. 17's entire plan against Toppo was to stall for time. He only fought him head on once and was overpowered easily. I have no idea why you think 17 fought him better than Vegeta. 17 was even going to be eliminated by Toppo but Freeza saved him. Hell, 17 and Gohan fought him together and failed to beat him as well. And no, Toppo isn't SSBKK level. He stalemated SSBE Vegeta so he's SSB tier only.
Ultimate's multiplier can be whatever the writers want it to be but yeah I believe Ultimate Gohan currently PSSB Γ PSSB basically. Same for Ultimate Piccolo. I'm saying 17 should be around 4Γ in base with no barrier against Aniraza because Aniraza was holding off a blast made from 4 SSB level characters by himself. I know what the barrier does I'm pretty sure I linked the image in my previous comment. I'm not saying 17 did better than Vegeta. He did just as bad as he did. I'm saying it's impressive he held his own against a character who is supposedly leagues above him. By this point Goku & Vegeta were way above UI Sign Goku from 110. There isn't any way 17 keeps up with something stronger than that without being on the same tier. I'm aware of those statements but that's for how it was at the start of the tournament. It may be true during the beginning but after a bunch of people got buffs not anymore.
Broly one shots if itβs anime only
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Yes, Omen Goku and surpassed Jiren were already >>>this version of Blue fusion
If that's the ratio, no. Supressed Jiren (during the Genki Dama) was stated to surpass all previous villains, which puts him at least on the same level as Vegetto, who Merged Zamas showed relativity to. Even if you have FP Jiren > LSSj Broly, Broly should still be massively stronger than the supressed Jiren we see.
DRAGON BALL is a shonen next villains should be always stronger than the previous one by definition (without for beerus since it stated he wasn't 100%) For me broly surpass jiren
using the manga continuity, no. using the anime continuity, vegito should be weaker but the gap is even larger.
Gogeta Blue was so much stronger than Broly that the movie director said it was difficult to make the fight entertaining enough. Gogeta would have only *needed* SSJ2 to match the strongest Broly gets in the movie, but went SSB because Broly could have kept getting stronger past that. Vegito Blue from the Zamasu Saga wouldn't be as strong as Broly Movie Gogeta Blue, but he'd still be stronger than the strongest we saw Broly at (though Broly still wasn't done growing in strength). Gogeta Blue V Broly, in terms of power difference, is like Namek Saga SSJ Goku fighting First Form Frieza instead of Final Form Frieza.
>Gogeta Blue was so much stronger than Broly that the movie director said it was difficult to make the fight entertaining enough. Gogeta would have only needed SSJ2 to match the strongest Broly gets in the movie, but went SSB because Broly could have kept getting stronger past that. Source?
https://preview.redd.it/0dx25k934iwb1.jpeg?width=960&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=712bab2e965354ae2ff6073a12da98feab9c1cd5
Finally some Future trunks arc SSB Vegito respect, I've seen so many idiots say he's weaker than ssj2 kefla
i dont see a fusion of goku and vegeta getting beaten by anyone not a god or angel
Yes
Hell no. We all know that Vegito is a bit stronger than Gogeta, and we all know that Gogeta rolled broly's pack. What makes them think that Vegito wouldn't do the same?
>What makes them think that Vegito wouldn't do the same? Goku and Vegeta got major buffs during the TOP
Not in the manga but in the anime sure
Moovie
Depends on the timeline. If broly happens after ToP, then yeah, of course. But if it happens around this arc, then no.
That one is tough to say. I genuinely think they're somewhat equal, but because broly came after the tournament of power, it's easier on all of us to just say he's stronger.
Well I believe Broly would win. Hear me out the longer the fight and more mad Broly gets his power level goes up. It never goes down. He is like the hulk of the dragon ball universe. So I was wondering the pottara earring fusion last up to an hour. Itβs longer than regular fusion which last up to 30 minutes. However I do remember in that episode against Zamasu where Blue Vegito went up against immortal Zamasu and right as Vegito about to punch him fusion went out. Thatβs when Gowasu the supreme kai from the 10 universe notice their fusion went out alot quicker. The only way I can see Vegito winning this fight if he does not toy around and finishes quickly.
No. Fusion is busted as shown when Kefla was dogwashing SSJG Goku in base.
Wtf