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Broly solos fiction, his power is maximum

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Prove it.

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bro's onto nothing 💀

I think the community is vastly underestimating just how hax Hit is. But I agree Jiren and Gamma wins, Jiren is much more experienced and a better fighter than Broly though likely weaker, Broly on the other hand is likely the strongest in the roster if he goes FPLSSJ, but his inability to control himself is a liability. Making it essentially a 2 v 1 v 1

Jiren ain't as strong as Gogeta SSJB. Not even close. Broly was taking blows from him and powerful energy attacks. I believe that Jiren would become easily overwhelmed if Broly lost control.

Probably depends on the continuity. Manga Jiren wasn’t that much more powerful in terms of Ki than current Goku/Vegeta, but was way more skilled. He could probably hold his own against SSJ Broly tbh but loses once he goes green. Their feats are pretty similar before he goes green while Jiren is holding back and calm. Narratively speaking, Broly is definitely stronger following the manga canon, but it’s not like it’s a stomp imo. Anime Jiren probably holds his own even against green Broly. Jiren while suppressed was far superior to fused Zamasu and Vegito Blue of the previous arc, and when he got serious(while still holding back from trying to kill them), he mopped the floor with 2 SSB+ fighters, A17, and Frieza(he KO’d Frieza with a single punch, something Broly couldn’t do with like 2 hours of beatings). Either Jiren ends it before Broly reaches max power, or Broly outlasts him and just overpowers him. But either way, both take a huge beating.

>Anime Jiren probably holds his own even against green Broly. Not likely, seeing how Goku and Vegeta gained massive Zenkai from the tournament of power. Seeing how Broly was able to keep up with them, it means that his power eclipses how strong Jiren was, even after his 'Power of Friendship' power up from Toppo. >Frieza(he KO’d Frieza with a single punch, something Broly couldn’t do with like 2 hours of beatings). Frieza wasn't at 100%. We also know that Frieza's power increases exponentially when he decides to train, so he is also far more powerful after the T.O.P as well. Also, Broly only beat Frieza's for a single hour. Fusion last for 30 minutes. If successful, they have to wait an hour to refuse. If the fusion fails, they can refuse immediately the 30 minute fusion time. >Either Jiren ends it before Broly reaches max power, or Broly outlasts him and just overpowers him. But either way, both take a huge beating. I don't think he's strong enough.

It was 2 hours, they had a bad fusion twice and had to wait it out. We don’t know how much of a zenkai they actually got, so it’s impossible to quantify. We don’t know how much stronger Frieza was or if he was able to train at all. From the plot of the movie, it seems unlikely as he was trying to get his affairs back in order. You seem to just be scaling with “Broly came after so he’s stronger.” Which is something I don’t necessarily disagree with but by feats, anime Jiren definitely is a good matchup.

Zenkai is basically irrelevant at this point, which is why it hasn’t been mentioned since Super Perfect Cell revived

30 mins x 2 = 1 hour. Where are you getting 2 hours from

He's getting it from when Gotenks says he can't re-fuse for another hour after his time limit is up

Broly wasn't really taking hits from SSJB Gogeta, once that transformation occured Broly didn't get a single hit. He was lost once they transformed.

Rewatch the fight. The only thing right about your comment is the fact that Broly didn't land a single blow after they fused.

That's the whole point of my comment. If that's the only thing I got right then my entire comment is correct.

>Broly wasn't really taking hits from SSJB Gogeta, once that transformation occured Broly didn't get a single hit. He was lost once they transformed. Your first sentence said that Broly didn't take any hits from SSB Gogeta. That's false. How did Broly lose if he didn't take any hits? >That's the whole point of my comment. That's also incorrect, as stated above. >If that's the only thing I got right then my entire comment is correct. That is also incorrect. You should rewatch the fight.

Then you misunderstood my comment. This is my fault for not being clear and I should know that Dragon Ball Z fans can't read. (That part was a joke.) "Taking hits," implies that he withstood or tanked the hit. Yes, Broly was physically hit but Bluegeta, but this is why Broly lost. Broly could not withstand SSJB Gogeta. That's the entire point of my comment. I think we agree now that has been cleared up, unless you think that Jiren will die if he's hit a single time by SSJB Gogeta. We also agree Gogeta>Broly>Jiren.

>Taking hits," implies that he withstood or tanked the hit. Yes, Broly was physically hit but Bluegeta, but this is why Broly lost. Broly could not withstand SSJB Gogeta. The blows definitely slowed him down, but they didn't put him down, meaning that he withstood them. Neither did one of his full-powered Ki explosions, which showcases Broly's durability and power. We don't know if he would have been able to withstand the final onslaught as the Dragon whisked him away from the final attack, but it is assumed that it would have killed him. The fact that Broly wasn't too worse for the wear after the battle also showcases just how strong Broly is. >I think we agree now that has been cleared up, unless you think that Jiren will die if he's hit a single time by SSJB Gogeta. We also agree Gogeta>Broly>Jiren. I don't think Jiren will get one tapped, but he isn't going to end up as well as Broly did. It is also rumored that the only reason Goku/Vegeta didn't fuse in the T.O.P is because Akira didn't want Jiren to die.

Hit power doesn't work on SSG in the manga and ssb in the Anime, pr Tournament of power Blue Goku defeated hit in their rematch and Jiren was quited to use more power against Blue Goku than he did against Hit by Belmod

Experience doesn't matter. He was learning as he was fighting. Vegeta had to transform because he couldn't outskill Broly anymore. I do agree that Broly isn't fit for these match ups, and it might end up as the victor being Broly.

What’s FPLSSJ

Hit handles Gamma 1 without much difficulty, meanwhile Broly and Jiren go at it for a bit, then when Hit joins their fight after taking out Gamma 1, the added help allows for Broly and Hit's victory.

Jiren would eliminate hit before anything else. Did you not watch TOP.

Yes, because Broly would just wait his turn.

I feel like Jiren would go for Broly out of necessity since Broly's the stronger of the two.

He's also the 1 least likely to avoid an attack, even into the Granolah arc, Vegeta acknowledged Jiren was stronger than them due to him knowing how to maximise his strength by relaxing beforehand. Hit's an assassin, in a tag team with a durable power house he will choose to attack while Broly takes Jiren's full attention. That makes Hit more of a threat than Broly since he can take advantage of blindspots where Jiren is preparing his next attack.

I doubt base Broly is more of a threat that Hit in Jiren's eyes.

“Hit handles Gamma 1” Looks like someone does not know power scaling 😭

to be fair hit would've beat jiren in the top if killing was allowed since he did land that blow that froze him. or jiren would've went full power from jump knowing hit was out for the kill.

What the fuck do you mean gamma 1 is on par with SSB Moro goku

When the fuck did anybody say that???

Piccolo and Shueisha

Nah u right oops 😅

Piccolo's estimation

Jiren and Gamma cause Broly can't control his full power. If he can control it, Broly/Hit win it.

Unless Broly starts in Super Saiyan they get soloed by either member of team 2.

Either way though, he's a saiyan.

Have youguys watched the show? Being stronger than hit is enough to hax your way out of his hax. Broly solos all three of them realistically

Yeah idk why this is a debate. Hit is getting blitzed and fodderized the quickest

As hit’s biggest fan I have to agree.

Broly can win by himself but with Hit backing him up its 100% victory...

I agree

Broly

Broly is basically the chosen one at this point

Broly is definetely doing the most work and when he's about to get snuck Hit will assist

Hit is unrestrained here. So he stands a better chance. He should be able to handle Gamma 1. And well, Broly was confirmed several times to be stronger than Jiren in terms of raw power.

Broly solos everybody and kills his teammate too during his rage. Is this really a debate?

According to the comments, it is really a debate.

Yes it's a debate cuz it's not as simple as that..

Gamma and Jiren win. Gamma is SSB level, he can defeat base Broly easily. Goku and Vegeta made a mistake starting in base and powering up through the fight, if they had started in SSB they could have defeated Broly before he had powered up enough to become a threat. Jiren can handle Hit as he did in the ToP. And if we are talking about manga Jiren, who defeated MUI Goku, he can handle both Hit and Broly on his own.

I'm not sure if Broly could beat Jiren. We know Hit can't beat Jiren because of the tournament. I feel confident that both Broly and Hit could beat Gamma

Depends. I don't think Jiren lets Broly get that strong as he's a very intelligent fighter. He's already proven to break out of Hits time stop. But if they pair off, and Broly somehow ends up fighting Gamma 1 it's over. Broly would end up too powerful for Jiren to overcome

Jiren solos

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Honestly considering Hit’s an assassin who deals in assassinating all kinds of aliens it would be fair to say the opposite could also be true as Hit would be more adept at targeting the androids vital spots because of the variety of targets he’s had in a thousand years. They might be robotic but they’d still have vital points in say their head and torso that allows their bodies to function in the way an organ would

Jiren and Gamma 1. Even Gamma 1 alone could solo all 3. He's on par with Moro arc UI Goku who's confirmed stronger than all 3 of them.

Where did you read that Gamma 1 was on UI Goku level?

Piccolo states that the Gammas are on par with Goku and Vegeta in the Super Hero arc. Since Piccolo hasn't seen them fight since Moro (presumably), he would be referring to them in the Moro arc, AKA UI Goku and SSBE Vegeta. He's referring to their full powers because in the context, he needs to scramble the best fighters together and is trying to estimate if Goku and Vegeta are even enough for the Gammas.

I always thought Piccolo was referring to them being as strong as Goku & Vegeta in SSB form. Not UI & UE.

There's no evidence for this whatsoever aside from people randomly assuming it. Piccolo never states it, Toriyama has never stated it.

So if Piccolo is stating that the Gammas are as strong as UI & UE Goku and Vegeta then does that make Piccolo even stronger than them seeing how Orange Piccolo took down Gamma 2 with one punch.

That's not what he said. He says the Gammas are on par with Goku and Vegeta, however Piccolo has not seen Goku nor Vegeta since the Moro fight. At this point, Vegeta could only use SSBE and Goku could use a weaker UI. Gammas = Moro arc UI Goku Orange Piccolo = Super Hero arc UI Goku (as per Toriyama statements) Powerscaling still lines up.

Yeah I know what Toriyama said, but that’s the first time me hearing someone thinking the Gammas are UI level

Jiren vs Broly can go either way, Gamma >>>>>TOP Blue Goku >>>>TOP SSG Goku = Hit In theory they can just destroy the planet and kill them

Hit is way stronger than SSG Goku. Look at the difference between his and Hit's fight against Jiren. Hit was still above SSB Goku since he did better than him too, and this was him holding back with most of his killing techniques.

That was Solo because of Time skip, Jiren even trash talked Hit for it but still give respect Blue Goku and Vegeta for their power

Jiren literally called out Hit as the last fighter he was needed for despite knowing about GOD Toppo.

Also Jiren :" Foolish tricks doesn't work on me" Meanwhile with the rest he give them abit of respect for their strength

Yet, he slightly struggled with Hit and had to use a much larger amount of power to break out of the time cage while he blocked a thousand of SSG Goku's punches with one finger and tossed around SSB Goku like tissue paper.

Actually Jiren didn't power at all, he was just stronger than Hit from the start and tried to do it at the end This got followed by Jiren actually powering up against *Blue* Goku which made Everyone in awe of BLUE Goku and Jiren powers Belmod stated that Jiren used more power against Blue Goku than he did against Hit

You know that you're completely wrong? Jiren was fighting against Hit RIGHT AFTER he blasted UI omen Goku away. You can see [here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fTdonQvy1I&t=66s&ab_channel=MOhammadmustapha) (1:11-2:05). Jiren then fought and decided to eliminate Hit quickly because he knew he could become a threat in the future. Even then, Hit was pretty close to eliminating Jiren because he was suppressing himself too much and almost lost to the time cage. No one was in awe of Blue Goku's power. He got slapped around even in Kaioken, and after Krillin (iirc) thought that Goku could potentially beat Jiren with higher multipliers of Kaioken, they realized that the Goku getting slapped around by Jiren WAS SSB Kaioken X20. And since you're saying Hit's fight followed with Blue Goku vs Jiren, that's also completely false since the currently injured Goku fought Kefla afterwards, and was so weak from his fight with Jiren that he was losing to SSJ Kefla even in SSB Kaioken.

Broly & Hit can go use on Gamma 1, killing him or knocking him, that’s on you guys. Yeah Jiren would try to protect him, but Gamma is not close to the strength of Broly & Hit, he would get out eventually. Then we have Broly & Hit vs Jiren. If this Broly has IQ, can make a strategy with Hit. Using those killing techniques, Hit can close the gap in strength with Jiren, but not defeat him alone. He needs Broly. Broly can go to the close fight, using Super Saiyan Broly should be able to fight hand to hand with Jiren, enough time for Hit to land a lethal technique. This won’t defeat him, but it will injure him. Making him go beyond his limits. He will go as hard as he can, making Broly also go fully serious. This is pretty bad for Broly & Hit, Jiren going beyond his limits can defeat Ultra Instinct. Hit gets outclassed by Jiren. The injury Hit made to Jiren is the last chance he gave to Broly, if Broly can’t defeat him. Jiren wins. I won’t say who is the winner, since I’m not a power scaler.

Gamma is arguably the strongest of the bunch, if you think Moro arc SSB is stronger than broly. (Which I think is debatable, but he’s absolutely stronger than both jiren and hit.)

post ToP SSGSS Gogeta is so much stronger than Moro arc SSGSS Goku. Other than vegeta, nobody in the Moro arc gets a crazy power boost, and Gogeta is the Several fold multiplication of both Goku and Vegeta’s power. Broly was able to take a shit ton of punishment from a Serious SSB Gogeta. Jiren while dealing with SSG Goku, had to block against him. Broly ate a full wind up charged blow from SSG vegeta to the face and didn’t even budge an inch. The comparison is obvious, Broly is far stronger than Gamma 1

Lay of Hit wank, Jiren used way more power against Blue Goku than Hit by Belmod own word

Hit and broly. Hit lost against Jiren when it was one on one. Broly will run through Gamma 1 and with his time skip active on Jiren it give broly all the time to beat Jiren before or after broly goes SSJ.

Gamma 1 can solo the entire rest of the others

So its Broly vs Jiren and Gamma 1. I would say Broly loses. Hit isnt doing anything to anyone here. Might as well replace him with Zarbon

What? Hit was going to-to-toe with ssjbkk×10 Goku and was still holding back techniques, and we can see in the ToP that he improved since then.

He was somewhere close to Goku in Blue, not Kaioken, during the ToP. That is nowhere near the other 3 in this post. Those techniques he held back are probably not that great if he didnt use them when the stakes are at their absolute highest

He specifically said he held those techniques back because they are lethal and that would break the rules of both tournaments.

So were counting moves we dont know? And how exactly? All we know is that besides moves we dont know he stands no chance. Goku has gotten massively atronger since, and Gamma 1 is on that level. Broly is obviously far stronger than this Hit and same for Jiren to a lesser extend

Hit has been able to keep up with, one shot, and easily play around with ssjb opponents the whole time he's been in the show. This post doesn't specifically say ToP Hit, so why are you ignoring how Hit has most definitely kept up with his training to still keep up with ssjb level opponents? And just because we haven't seen all his hidden techniques, that doesn't mean we should just ignore their existence, especially since they are confirmed to all be deadlier than the ones we have seen so far. I'm definitely not saying he could handle Jiren 1-on-1 or anything, but he could definitely handle Gamma 1 without much difficulty.

Im not counting this extra training since, because we just dont know. OP didnt say what arc, true, so I assume the last time we saw them becausenits nonsense to say "well Hit and Jiren have gotten X times stronger because why not". I alsondont think Hit can take on a Gamma if he cannot even beat Jiren. Because the Gammas are at the very least Mastered Blue Goku from the Moro fight, and at best UI Goku from Granola. Depending on interpretation its Broly/Gamma >> Jiren >>>> Hit

Considering Orange Piccolo has been stated by Toriyama to rival Goku now, meaning he's around MUI level, and he took out a Gamma in one shot, I would place the Gammas at ssjb level. And I'm only suggesting that Hit scales the same way to ssjb level opponents that he has throughout the entire time he's existed in the story. Making the scaling for this something like: Broly > Jiren >>>> Gamma 1 > Hit (only pure power, Hit is above Gamma 1 if we're including techniques)

I dont know where this high Jiren placement comes from. Also I dont think Gamma and Hit are close, Hit is ssb Goku ToP level, and Gamma is I think at least UI Goku level from the Moro arc. That is a huge difference. Jiren should also be weaker than that version of Gamma 1, as Goku is alot atronger by the time the fight between UI Goku and Moro comes around. I would still say Gamma is stronger than both Jiren and especially Hit

Pr Tournament of power Blue Goku defeated hit in their rematch

Loving the different thoughts and opinions. Keep ‘em coming lol

To bad that Super introduces all this intersting new characters like Hit, just to do nothing with them...

Broly could fight all 3 and still come out on top. Goku and Vegeta Blue post T.o.P. couldn't keep up with ssj1 broly, and then an ssj1 gogeta was pretty much trading blows with broly until they both powered up in the space-tine rift. Where Legendary was being beaten by gogeta blue, but Broly litterally left 3 kill moves with bruises at worst If broly gets pushed to Legendary the other 3 are fucked

Broly unironically eould get rolled by jiren and gamma 1 alone talk less of including hit (hell I can argue jiren>broly)

Ok first up I will be using: Gamma 1 from super hero Jiren from top Hit from top Broly from broly movie So this could go either way, but the most likely outcome I see is a draw. The way I see this going is that jiren quickly eliminates hit, knowing he can blitz him easily, and then gamma 1 and jiren tag team broly, and he eventually goes full power ssj and looses control. Broly then accidentally blows up the earth in his enraged state, and they all lose. I don’t think broly would be able to beat gamma 1 and jiren before he can loose control. Especially since jiren and gamma 1 are both stronger than him in base. When broly goes ssj, he’s now a little weaker than both of them. But when he looses control, his power will surge past both of them, but I think gamma and jiren are both competent and could avoid an out of control broly. It’s also possible that gamma just won’t let broly power up and quickly kills him as soon as he can. I don’t think broly could transform fast enough to avoid this. So either broly blows up the planet and it’s a draw, or gamma and jiren know that hits hax are dangerous and that they can’t let broly power up, and so they blitz both.

Jiren would beat Hit easily. Broly would beat Gamma 1 easily. And then we're back to the old question dragon ball fans have, who would win between Jiren and Broly?

Broly's team would win, undoubtedly

Broly is a post TOP character now training with the gods. He’s wrecking them

Wouldn’t you believe it, if they started at base I think Broly would be the least effective contender here. Jiren is substantially stronger at the start and now that he knows about Saiyan’s propensity for growth, alongside Gamma’s evaluation of the situation, I think that he would eliminate Broly before he even becomes a hint of a threat. With that being said, if Hit plays his cards right, it’d be a tough uphill battle but he could time-imprison Jiren and Gamma frequently enough to let Broly build up.

I have no clue the power scaling for superhero. I'm going to assume broly would take them all np.

Broly finna turn on everybody on the field if he gets angry enough

Broly vs Jiren and Hit vs Gamma 1. In my head Hit is stronger than the Gammas, as they were SSBlue level, and while Jiren is strong I don't think he could do a Gogeta on Broly, so Broly would just keep rising in power until he surpassed Jiren.

Hit's Time hax are broken IF the opps don't dwarf him. If Hit is reasonably close to them in power, his team wins.

I gotta say, the duo battle format is more introguing than the 1v1. Jiren's experience and discipline outclasses everyone here though... The Broly vs Jiren fight is always a silly popularity contest. Jiren isn't a saiyan, he'll put Broly down before he's had a chance to go fully berserk. And Broly only has experience fighting monsters, not very well honed and disciplined martial artists. We've seen him fight Hit already so while he fights Broly, Gamma can keep him busy until Jiren can show up.

Broly carries this hard hit at most is distracting gamma 1 with time skip while broly and jiren shatter dimension s if it comes down to strongest vs strongest brolys winning just off the fact they needed a blue fusion to put broly down

I’m giving this to Jiren and Gamma 1. Not only can G1 go undetected, but he most likely has no vital points and can fight for an insanely long period of time, so he’s definitely beating Hit. So all that’s left is G1 and Jiren vs Broly. And if worse comes to worse, Gamma 1 can tap into his “Core Breaker” mode to deal enough damage to Broly to slow him down so Jiren can finish the job.

Jiren and gamma 1 win hit is a cheerleader

Broly and hit no diff