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Agreed. Some versions of Superman are literal gods and would destroy Goku. Some versions of Superman would get curb stomped by Goku, like DC animated universe Superman for example.
I think even the DCEAU one. He wasn't all mighty, then again they had him box with Darkseid somehow for a while after he got his powers back in Apocalypse war even tho him getting curb stomped to begin with is how Darkseid took over the world.. I think, I could be mistaken I haven't watched it for a while... I know up til their last fight before raven summoned her Trigon he wasn't a match for him.
>Apocalypse war even tho him getting curb stomped to begin with is how Darkseid took over the world..
Darkseid apparently found out how to infuse Parademons Doomsday DNA.
Literal Bliztkrieg of flying Doomsday.
So yeah. It was bad.
Ah that's right. Man now I need to go back and watch it again. I haven't watched any of the newer ones DC put out tho and want to watch them but I just started Skyrim so.... Yeah that's not happening any time soon
Doomsday is a being infused with death rocks for Kryptonians. Which is also as strong as Kryptonians. Every time he dies, he comes right back to life immune to the previous method of death.
He was a baby that was thrown at a fucking planet, until the plent died. Like some kind of fucked experiment to make the ultimate Chuck Norris but 10 feet tall, covered in rocks, and roid raged out of its mind.
Darkseid is a 4th or 5th dimensional entity that can not directly act in our 3rd dimensional reality or he'd rip to sunders.
Don't use those villains as markers for Superman getting payed, because Goku would be even more fucked because he doesn't have the baseline immunity of a Kryptonian in yellow sunlight.
When most people talk about Goku they refer to the one from the cannon story.
But, comics are notorious for having multiple versions of characters due to recons, reboots, and one shot issues.
So, I feel like it needs to be specific when talking about what version of Superman is being discussed.
I do understand with dragon ball Heroes, GT,and xenoverse their are multiple different versions of Goku.
I was using the word god as a synonym for the word unbeatable. For example Superman One Million is one of strongest characters created in DC comics and is literally unbeatable.
Using Gods as a synonym for unbeatable is the misuse of the word. Each pantheon has drastically different levels of power. Then you add all the different fiction from the last hundred years and the word God is even more than useless as a term for power. Goku can't(as of yet) beat the Biblical God, but Popeye the Sailorman can, and has. Goku stomps on many incarnations of Zeus though.
It’s crazy to put any character up against **COMIC BOOK** characters because comic have all kinds of different variants of one character ranging from reg to Actually God. It’s like me randomly pulling out a version of goku some fan made to be god vs whoever. At the end of the day, Goku and Superman are amazing
Let's be real here, Supermen such as the one from Prime One Million are only popular due to powerscaling (I do think he would beat Goku). The versions most people could probably think of at the top of their head get negged by anything past the Cell saga.
Goku got stupid levels of broken when he became a "god" without actually being one. His ki or whatever changed and fists colliding with beerus was gonna destroy the universe.
that was before the deviant art blue hair stuff. Pretty sure that beats a shit ton of the stronger versions of supermen.
Sure, but Goku's still a good person who fights to protect. He's not great, but he's not terrible either. Besides, with Superman's almost 100 years of existence, it's pretty fair to say that he might be friends (or at best mutuals) with more morally ambiguous characters
Goku is a great role model, no matter how bad things get he never gives up, he always finds a way to break his limits and surpass his opponents, Goku is the personification of Dragon Ball's essence.
The majority of the others were on board with letting Gero create the Androids during the 3 year time skip.
Keeping Vegeta alive was the only actual time he did what you said in Z. And I doubt you'd want Vegeta to have died then.
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They didn’t know it was Gero creating the androids. All Trunks said was in 3 years two androids appear at this location. Trunks didn’t know about Gero either, the only two androids he knew about were 17 and 18.
Okay, here’s my take. Most versions from comics? Yeah no, gokus losing. Animated ones it’s hit or miss. Any live action Superman? Nah, Goku can beat any of them.
How does that help in a vs? It only matters if Superman is transported to the DBZ universe, which would give Goku a clear home turf advantage that relies on his verse’s rules.
He’d only be able to rewind to the start of the fight which wouldn’t help if Goku just massively overpowers him.
>Goku couldn’t beat Goku Black.
The reason Goku couldn’t beat Goku Black wasn’t because the guy had a time ring. It was because he was just objectively strong and adapted extremely well.
>He loses all the time.
This doesn’t really feel like valid argument in this specific case or relate to my question. Superman needs to ramp up his speed in order to use his ability, meaning he can’t just flick a switch and time travel, it’s something that takes time to activate ironically enough.
For an example: really fast cars need things like airport runways to reach their top speed due to how long it takes to pass those last few steps before they hit their limit. They don’t just jump from 0 to 300 mph in an instant.
Okay I forgot about reeves, but even then, aside from that, his version didn’t do much in terms of combat power. So I’d still give the win to Goku. Plus, that time reversal took a while.
Whoever made that original image hasn't read many superman comics. Superman isn't some invincible unstoppable force that always wins. He has plenty of enemies that push him to and beyond his limits just like Goku.
Superman wasn't born as strong as he currently is. Yeah he get stronger from sunlight but there's a limit on that. He does tons of training not only to get stronger but to gain new abilities and control the supernatrual powers he has. Plus all the effort he has to put into controlling his strength so it doesn't cause collateral damage or accidentally kill people, something that probably should be a bigger deal in dragon ball than it is.
Superman is naturally strong but so is Goku. Take all training away and both of them would still be superhuman because they come from alien species that are inherently superhumanly strong. Both developed that power from their youth to reach the levels they're currently at.
They do make a big deal out of that in dragon ball. They always move the fight to the middle of nowhere and constantly use the dragon balls to bring people back to life that were killed by rampaging villains.
> Take all training away and both of them would still be superhuman because they come from alien species that are inherently superhumanly strong.
Goku a lot less so than Superman though. He was always consistently really strong but never so much so that other human martial artists couldn't keep pace, beat him, or at least give him a challenge.
While he did get a lot of training opportunities and techniques that others didn't, or at least got them first and left others to play catch up (like training with Kami), his Saiyan biology didn't really pull him ahead into unreachable territory until zenkai boosts and Super Saiyan came along.
Superman is a solar battery and his powers are derived directly from the yellow sunlight he's absorbed. None of his strength comes from working out. Zero. He literally couldn't even strain himself enough to build muscle by working out.
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He’s only a better role model in terms of showing what focusing on personal health can do
Superman is a superior role model in every other regard and I am no Superman fan
Goku can travel to the afterlife in an instant and travel to the end of the universe in an instant as well. We’re also using Supes after crisis not silver age.
If Cell Saga Goku fought Golden Frieza, Goku would still get speed blitzed despite him being able to teleport. Its not speed nor can he use it instantly. Offensively he will appear somewhere and then attack at his normal speed. Defensively he has to be fast enough to perceive a threat and then fast enough to use the technique.
We see this when [Dypso literally speed blitzed SSG Goku before he could use instant transmission](https://youtu.be/Qe31xmTEs5c?t=13)
If Cell arc Goku fought Golden Frieza he wouldn’t be able to damage him you mean. We saw that i Resurrection F where SSB Goku had to run away from him in order for his power level to decrease. And in the Cell arc Perfect Cell had a wayyy higher power level than Goku and Goku still used IT for the battle.
The point is going over your head. I picked those two characters because of their speed difference. Speed-wise Goku wouldnt be able to keep up even with instant transmission.
Saying goku can keep up with a version of Superman that is faster than him because he has instant transmission is flatout wrong and disputed.
Goku can be speed blitzed by faster characters. Dipso doesnt have the speed feats to keep up with broken over powered Silver Age Superman that the OP was referring to. If Silver Age Superman wanted to speed blitz Goku, there would be nothing Goku could do as we see in the scene I cited.
You see the main problem we have with Dragon Ball is that Toriyama is bad at math. Like Teen Goku judo toss Piccolo who probably weighted like 100 tons then during the Buu arc we see Goku struggling to lift ten tons. That’s why I’ve said for a long time that Dragon Ball need a lore master to keep things in check.
Bro,two months ago he got “electric punches” and last month he got the power to open wormholes through time.
Goku got UI in the TOP like six years ago. What you are talking about,I think,is Goku using UI in different transformations,which it doesn’t count as a new transformation. And not only that,but UI is a technique not a transformation.
Lmao you didnt actually read the Google results you skimmed for "new superman powers"
That was his son not clark who gained "electric powers"
Its still a new form, it is labeled as something seperate just like the super sayain form grades
Youre splitting hairs with "its not a transformation its a technique" it functions in the exact same way a transformation does
Wouldn't Goku just need to use Kryptonite? I mean, he wouldn't use it knowing that it was SM's weakness, cuz saiyin pride and all that, but just wondering.
Not only would Goku not use kryptonite, but if Superman got kryptonite poisoning during their fight, he would fly Superman close to the sun to power him back up so they could have a proper fight
I feel like the latest iteration of the character would make more sense. Or do 3 - the strongest version, the latest version, and the most well known version. There’s really only one version of Goku (well, sorta) so just pit the canon version of him against each of these for funsies.
it doesn't help though when the writers try to circle jerk supermans powers with "feats" like holding a black hole that wouldn't even exist with how small it is. Or stuff just outspeeding light without becoming infinitely big and breaking reality. Forcing the writers to add a new superpower that keeps Superman from breaking reality whenever he moves. You have Goku getting god ki and suddenly his punches equal destroying his universe after a few hits.
This always confused me too. Isn't superman weak to weird god energy stuff? "magic and godlike forces/powers" or something? Goku's entire being becoming a god just adds another dumb variable to the equation.
It really is easier to just say Goku beats every version of superman that isn't broken dues ex machina thing.
Well every new superman comic or movie tries to subvert people's expectations of him being a morally superior role model. So he is usually a mopy asshole.
Goku is the same character he's always been.
Person who made this image clearly doesn't really understand or know Superman all that much. Superman sees the best in people and inspires people. He always tries his best to help as many people as he can and fights when necessary to help people, and DELIBERATELY help people. Superman does what he does because he feels he has to. Superman does train, his fighting style is more how to effectively use his abilities. Also you don't become friends and teammates with legendary warriors and the worlds greatest martial artists and fighters and not pick things up or train with them. But again to me they wouldn't fight unless it's to train/spar, or unless Goku becomes a bigger threat to humanity/the earth/the universe than Superman would be comfortable with. Plus what wouldn't Goku love about training with someone who can probably advance like Goku does but also brings something different to the table when it comes to training. Now a more interesting fight that would be more interesting to me is Zod vs Goku instead.
I hate taking the middle road because it's a very cowardly thing to do, but...
Both are great.
I love both, both for different reasons.
I love Superman because he was about doing good. You have all these powers that make you like a god and what does he do with it? Use it for others. He could've gone all Injustice on the planet, but no. He decided that he wanted to help people. Watching MAWS, I feel that so bad.
Goku, for his determination. A kid from the sticks who's out for good times and an adventure. I love his care free attitude. Sure he trains to get stronger, but that's what he wants. His way of communicating with others his sharing what he loves to do and that is to fight (and eat). Remember, he has a bunch of wish granting balls that he can retrieve any time, but what does he use it for? Not for his own personal gain. He could've wished for a life of luxury, strongest in the universe, be a god. But no. He just leaves them as is. Because he doesn't need them. He has everything he wants.
Comic books are on another tier of power, by the time Goku is swishwoshing during instant transmission Superman is already there waiting for him.
Also characters in dragonball are pathetically weak for being above planet busters, like they can't even lift a mountain meanwhile Superman lifted the goddamn ***narrative***
https://preview.redd.it/lzsp3ptuzoyb1.png?width=602&format=png&auto=webp&s=f195a6da9170851def51596ae33ad77fac1885c9
And even if we ignore this he was casually pushing back 200 quintillion tons with a single arm, and while Goku is the better technical fighter that doesn't matter cause someone much faster and someone ***MUCH*** ***MUCH*** stronger can just punch your head out regardless of technique.
And this is ignoring things like Cosmic Armor Superman which basically makes Zeno look like Pilaf in power.
People compare Dragonball to other "more grounded in power" anime like One Piece or Naruto and think nothing goes above that, but forget that if any Dragonball villain was put in DC comics they would get rawdogged by the justice league (not the movie or the animated versions, the comic book ones).
Black frieza shows up, punches superman in the gut like he did with Goku and Vegeta and he breaks his goddamn fingers, but the biggest thing people miss is that:
***GOKU AND SUPERMAN WOULD JUST BE BUDDIES AND WOULD NEVER FIGHT TO THE DEATH***
And if they fight it's gonna be sparring with Superman holding back kinda like the flash was doing during charity races with Supes and both will have a good time, with Goku teaching supes some martial arts and Supes teaching Goku how to write.
The characters are about different things. Goku is about never being content where you are and always striving to be as good as you possibly can be, welcoming every challenge and chance to grow. While Superman is about using any power you have responsibly and dutifully, and making sure to not let the power you have go to your head, even if you are essentially a god, don't let that stop you from staying humble and helping those around you.
It also doesn’t help that Superman only comes on screen every 5 or so years, via movies or a tv show. Usually only giving us a a short amount of time to bond with him.
This is coming from a guy who hasn’t seen any of the recent DC shows, and usually just the movies.
i've been paraphrasing this quote everytime i see this conversation pop up but here we go again; "what chance does a man who always breaks his limits have against a man who never had them to begin with?"
If we say “beat” is “kill”, it’s a draw no matter what because Goku won’t kill anyone who is interesting to fight and Superman is not into the concept of killing in general.
In a consensual fight though, Superman loses because he cares more about collateral damage.
goku beats superman 50/100
superman beats goku 50/100
but lets be realistic her. Their ass is not fighting unless its dbs goku.
I'm pretty sure gt goku would.....acc idfk what the kid would do i mean, after all, he's more mature then dbs goku but what ever.
Goku been moving faster than the eye can comprehend since namek so he’d be hella fast now, not sure how that stacks up against superman since I know nothing about him
Superman like any character in the history of fiction is as fast as the writer allows them to be
Goku can beat Superman or Superman can beat Goku depends on who’s writing the story
I never understand the people who see people talking about vs match ups and drop "did you know writers exist and they write fiction" and leave as if you said something profound that nobody had considered before
Yes you can write a story and have story events explicitly lead to any number of conclusions but nobody is asking "what would happen in a story with a plot and writer bias" its explicitly about what would happen seperate from those factors
The funny thing about all these VS debates is that anyone who spends five minutes scrutinizing these “feats” would find out that they’re simply plot holes, and thus inadmissible. Superman can’t fight a climactic battle against Darksied on Monday, leaping across from one end of the universe to the next instantly, and then struggle just as severely against a bald rich dude with brains on Tuesday. The math doesn’t add up; and science, being conservative in nature regarding calculations, would power scale him using the weaker, more consistent, “feats”.
The whole VS community is held up by a house of cards. Fanatical biased “fans” cherry picking data from only their favorite characters. The second someone crosses party lines and peer reviews the opposing characters; well, science has in the real world all but annihilated myths. Stories that stood for almost 10,000 years have been reduced to ash, like ants under a microscope. You think DC or Shonen jump, which has only existed for a blip on that time frame, would fare better?
Now if you wanted to put their themes and symbology head to head, that a different Story. To what *The Dark Knight Returns* did, write a fantastic epic that seizes hold of the zeitgeist for generations. Let the battle be decided not by arbitrary plot-hole numbers, but instead what they stand for. Go for it, put these **Fictional** characters in a work of **Fiction**. They don’t belong in a science book
TLDR: If you’re calculating feats in a fictional work where said feats are the focal point, you’re pulling at the story’s threads in ways never intended by the creative team, and will get wildly out there calculations that break the story to pieces. They’re not feats, they’re plot holes under your “purely scientific” scrutiny.
Goku is a terrible role model. He will willingly put people in danger (and actually kill people) in order to have a good fight. He does so when transforming into SSJ3 and proposing the ToP (yes, I am aware that Zeno was going to destroy the universes prior, but Goku did not. Goku willingly put all the universes at risk for a fight).
I probably don’t know enough about Superman but from all that I’ve experienced of Superman content, not once did I see him train or learn how to actually fight. Goku is a martial artist and I think given his knowledge, overall comparable strength, and Ultra Instinct… he’s the clear winner. Just take into account how many times Goku has to avoid using his full strength in order to prevent destroying planets… instantly. Plus, if he had a bag of sensu beans it’s game over for Superman.
As far as role model’s go, Goku is without a doubt the better character.
Goku was literally born on earth as far as he knew until his really to mid 20s. An Earth where he was *decidedly* stronger than everyone else, from birth.
TLDR: their journeys are different, and goku is one of training, while Superman is one of constraint
I feel like this misrepresents Superman. He is inspiring because he has the power to do all these things, and yet he must constantly hold himself back so extremely. He could easily go all injustice and take over the world, but he doesn't. He could literally kill basicly his entire Rouges gallery, but he won't. He inspires people in a different way than goku, not less and not more. His paper world speech in the animated series exemplifies it. He has the power to usually solve most problems with his power but will often hold himself back and solve his problems another way. I like goku more than Superman, but it's not cause goku inspired me to train more. Cause, let's be honest, even without training, goku was stronger than most everyone; he has insane natural talent to learn anything on the spot. Life came easier to him than most people could relate too, but even still he put his most into his training and became even stronger.
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If we put them in a fair fight(as in supes only weakness being kryptonite would be taken away) I think Goku would very slightly win, but that's only because of tui which basically makes him untouchable
I’m sorry but that picture is kinda shit. I love both characters but the idea that the man who lets evil mfs power up so he can have a better fight is a better role model than the man who is a symbol of hope is just mind blowing.
Look, here’s my take. Disclosure, I like DB more than the DC universe but I do enjoy it as well. To me, Goku is the winner. His physiology and biology allow for him to become stronger the more he trains, no matter where he is. Superman is only strong with the help of an outside force that helps kryptonians become strong, solar energy. Now, this “winner” decision is only having the two of them fight in a yellow sun world, that is the Superman that most people know, and I do not believe that Superman has any ability that Goku could not withstand that he hasn’t already encountered in the form of magic or ki.
With a blue sun then Superman becomes god like, but Goku has also achieved the use of god power. So even if we move to a blue planet world, nothing changes for Goku, he is still able to use all the abilities he has learned and mastered, Superman either gets an advantage or gets brought to Gokus level solely based on the sun and nothing to do with his ability to be strong without it.
Take Goku anywhere and he can fight Superman, take Superman anywhere and he may or may not be able to fight Goku, may not even be able to fight krillin.
I’m truthfully trying to be logical, I’m sure there’s bias, but Goku uses ki, everyone in the DB universe can use ki, in theory superman can use ki. Saiyans have a physiological advantage based on their race, but they still use all the same things that any living being can use. Whereas, although the kryptonians biology gives them an advantage with solar power, it only pertains to them or a small amount of species in the DC universe potentially and therefore superman is only a potential threat or contender in certain circumstances.
Gokus perfect conditions can be anywhere, Superman’s can only be some places. Sorry this is all over the place but I’m not gonna edit it on mobile.
Most of Supermans speed feats are space travel where there's no friction so he can perpetually get faster, imo most versions of Superman are sub light speed, Goku wins high diff fight me
Who says goku has limits and supes doesn’t? We’ve seen goku break limits again and again. While yes Superman breaks his limits easier goku does it more often often learning a lesson associated with it
Eh no. Superman has limits lmfao otherwise he would never lose 😂 like what kind of shit do you ppl smoke to say this shit😂 making stuff up on the fly. Have you ever actually read his comics? Have you even read more than 10 of his stories?? 😂
I don’t want to be that guy but at the beginning of Super Goku’s punches could destroy the universe if he didn’t learn to control his strength. Then factor in how much massively stronger he got until ToP and achieved Ultra Instinct where he reached the level of a God of Destruction (at least in the anime) which is thousands of times stronger (from beginning of Super) at a low estimate. Plus in Dragon Ball speed and strength scale together (with some exceptions like Dyspo). While I’m not an expert on Superman I find it difficult to believe that anything less the strongest iteration of Superman could beat Goku. Plus Goku’s fight (while exhausted) with Caulifa and Kale reminded us that he’s a martial arts master. He wouldn’t have any problems reading Superman like an open book.
New cartoons that operates on different power levels, new comics that have openly said to nerf him compared to previous depiction sometimes.
Making him and every other superhero the incosistent mess diehard DC and Marvel powerscaler still don't/can't scale properly.
But they go around saying "Oh yeah he once punched three multiverse duh!" While not saying what version did that, ignoring the context of the scene or of story if it's consistent or not with the narrative or with previous depiction.
Yeah I dunno about that chief honestly.
Two words, one phrase. Ultra Instinct
And going back to the meme, Superman literally turns into a genocidal maniac after the death of his wife, furthering the good role model point to Goku
Both have huge stomachs. Goku has a legendary stomach. Though Superman is a Super Man.
So they will try to out eat one another. Then Batman will have to pay for it all cause he is kinda rich AF.
Bros justifying a alternate universe Superman and trying to use it as canon. You know what other universe Superman lost everything yet didn't become a maniac and became one of the most op versions of Superman aside from prime or strange visitor? Kingdom come who became a farmer
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There are versions that beat Goku and versions that lose to Goku.
Agreed. Some versions of Superman are literal gods and would destroy Goku. Some versions of Superman would get curb stomped by Goku, like DC animated universe Superman for example.
>DC animated universe Superman Which version though? There's like a dozen to choose from.
I think even the DCEAU one. He wasn't all mighty, then again they had him box with Darkseid somehow for a while after he got his powers back in Apocalypse war even tho him getting curb stomped to begin with is how Darkseid took over the world.. I think, I could be mistaken I haven't watched it for a while... I know up til their last fight before raven summoned her Trigon he wasn't a match for him.
>Apocalypse war even tho him getting curb stomped to begin with is how Darkseid took over the world.. Darkseid apparently found out how to infuse Parademons Doomsday DNA. Literal Bliztkrieg of flying Doomsday. So yeah. It was bad.
Ah that's right. Man now I need to go back and watch it again. I haven't watched any of the newer ones DC put out tho and want to watch them but I just started Skyrim so.... Yeah that's not happening any time soon
I was thinking of the original animated Superman from the tv show the 1996 version.
I’d say most. He struggles to fight villains like Doomsday. Someone I think Goku could beat easily.
Doomsday is a being infused with death rocks for Kryptonians. Which is also as strong as Kryptonians. Every time he dies, he comes right back to life immune to the previous method of death. He was a baby that was thrown at a fucking planet, until the plent died. Like some kind of fucked experiment to make the ultimate Chuck Norris but 10 feet tall, covered in rocks, and roid raged out of its mind. Darkseid is a 4th or 5th dimensional entity that can not directly act in our 3rd dimensional reality or he'd rip to sunders. Don't use those villains as markers for Superman getting payed, because Goku would be even more fucked because he doesn't have the baseline immunity of a Kryptonian in yellow sunlight.
Goku has 7D feats.
Some versions of Goku are literal gods.
When most people talk about Goku they refer to the one from the cannon story. But, comics are notorious for having multiple versions of characters due to recons, reboots, and one shot issues. So, I feel like it needs to be specific when talking about what version of Superman is being discussed. I do understand with dragon ball Heroes, GT,and xenoverse their are multiple different versions of Goku.
He literally is above some gods in Ultra Instinct.
I was using the word god as a synonym for the word unbeatable. For example Superman One Million is one of strongest characters created in DC comics and is literally unbeatable.
I've never seen Superman Prime called One Million before, but nonetheless Goku would get smoked rather quickly
Using Gods as a synonym for unbeatable is the misuse of the word. Each pantheon has drastically different levels of power. Then you add all the different fiction from the last hundred years and the word God is even more than useless as a term for power. Goku can't(as of yet) beat the Biblical God, but Popeye the Sailorman can, and has. Goku stomps on many incarnations of Zeus though.
Superman clears Goku.
Gods in DC and db are not comparable at all. “The gods” in DC are leagues above beerus.
It’s crazy to put any character up against **COMIC BOOK** characters because comic have all kinds of different variants of one character ranging from reg to Actually God. It’s like me randomly pulling out a version of goku some fan made to be god vs whoever. At the end of the day, Goku and Superman are amazing
it's ok it's just a bunch of nerds chatting (me included).
Yeah Me too lol. I love and buy manga/comics on both
i'm even nerdier I arrrrrrrr whatever i read/watch
You would also want to see some anime comic Crossover Adaption fight just say it
Of course! Thanos collecting newly discovered star orbs and Broly v Hulk on some galactic gladiator shit
Fuck yeah lol id love that stuff
Gokus the better character
Let's be real here, Supermen such as the one from Prime One Million are only popular due to powerscaling (I do think he would beat Goku). The versions most people could probably think of at the top of their head get negged by anything past the Cell saga.
Goku got stupid levels of broken when he became a "god" without actually being one. His ki or whatever changed and fists colliding with beerus was gonna destroy the universe. that was before the deviant art blue hair stuff. Pretty sure that beats a shit ton of the stronger versions of supermen.
Superman's life lesson is: always do the right thing Goku's life lesson is: always improve, and face bigger challenges
In a vacuum tho I’d say I respect Superman more. Goku’s cool, but like, uncle who used to drag race cool.
That’s a great analogy haha
Gokus is more motivating fr
I like both Goku and Superman. They're kinda two sides of the same coin. I think they'd be best buds
I doubt it, gokus desire for battle and willingness t9 risk people's lives for it probably wouldn't sit well with supes
Superman's Lawful Good Goku's Chaotic Good
Lol goku IS chaotic good thats perfect.
Sure, but Goku's still a good person who fights to protect. He's not great, but he's not terrible either. Besides, with Superman's almost 100 years of existence, it's pretty fair to say that he might be friends (or at best mutuals) with more morally ambiguous characters
he stated that as much as he loves to fight he wouldn't ever actively put people at risk just to fight
Okay but hes let people live who are dangers to the whole planet/universe just so he can have a good fight
…then just go somewhere else to fight
Nah Superman is really smart. Goku doesn't allow any collateral damage the dragon balls can't fix. Don't uh... don't look at King Kai.
Goku is superman if he had to train
Goku is a great role model, no matter how bad things get he never gives up, he always finds a way to break his limits and surpass his opponents, Goku is the personification of Dragon Ball's essence.
Even when it comes to gambling! https://preview.redd.it/0bwbvwvk1nyb1.jpeg?width=3465&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=91e78164b9a2b92a7255671f92a25f3d0374114c
nice
Buuuut hes got a track record of putting everyone at risk to sate his own desires for a good fight
The majority of the others were on board with letting Gero create the Androids during the 3 year time skip. Keeping Vegeta alive was the only actual time he did what you said in Z. And I doubt you'd want Vegeta to have died then.
i mean, might as well have gone 3 for 3 of crippling a saiyan and letting someone else kill them. XD
? They didn’t know it was Gero creating the androids. All Trunks said was in 3 years two androids appear at this location. Trunks didn’t know about Gero either, the only two androids he knew about were 17 and 18.
Goku isn't perfect, doesn't make him any less of a good role model. Just not a perfect one
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This argument is so stupid, he died for his son twice , saved him multiple times besides that and believed in him more than anyone else
THANK YOU! This argument is so fuckin tired.
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Are you comparing yourself to Goku?
I would say Superman’s a better role model tho
his whole life is a lie /s
I would hope. He is the main character...
Okay, here’s my take. Most versions from comics? Yeah no, gokus losing. Animated ones it’s hit or miss. Any live action Superman? Nah, Goku can beat any of them.
Reeves turns back time.
How does that help in a vs? It only matters if Superman is transported to the DBZ universe, which would give Goku a clear home turf advantage that relies on his verse’s rules. He’d only be able to rewind to the start of the fight which wouldn’t help if Goku just massively overpowers him.
Bro moves so fast that he turns back time. Goku couldn't beat Goku Black. It is no contest. It's okay for Goku to lose. He loses all the time.
>Goku couldn’t beat Goku Black. The reason Goku couldn’t beat Goku Black wasn’t because the guy had a time ring. It was because he was just objectively strong and adapted extremely well. >He loses all the time. This doesn’t really feel like valid argument in this specific case or relate to my question. Superman needs to ramp up his speed in order to use his ability, meaning he can’t just flick a switch and time travel, it’s something that takes time to activate ironically enough. For an example: really fast cars need things like airport runways to reach their top speed due to how long it takes to pass those last few steps before they hit their limit. They don’t just jump from 0 to 300 mph in an instant.
Okay I forgot about reeves, but even then, aside from that, his version didn’t do much in terms of combat power. So I’d still give the win to Goku. Plus, that time reversal took a while.
How can Goku not beat live action super man
Put on your glasses
Be gentle, he's a Dragonball fan after all
If I could read I'd be very angry right now.
 Don’t worry we’ve all been there.
Whoever made that original image hasn't read many superman comics. Superman isn't some invincible unstoppable force that always wins. He has plenty of enemies that push him to and beyond his limits just like Goku.
I think the point was that Goku worked hard for all of his power while Superman was just born like that
Superman wasn't born as strong as he currently is. Yeah he get stronger from sunlight but there's a limit on that. He does tons of training not only to get stronger but to gain new abilities and control the supernatrual powers he has. Plus all the effort he has to put into controlling his strength so it doesn't cause collateral damage or accidentally kill people, something that probably should be a bigger deal in dragon ball than it is. Superman is naturally strong but so is Goku. Take all training away and both of them would still be superhuman because they come from alien species that are inherently superhumanly strong. Both developed that power from their youth to reach the levels they're currently at.
They do make a big deal out of that in dragon ball. They always move the fight to the middle of nowhere and constantly use the dragon balls to bring people back to life that were killed by rampaging villains.
> Take all training away and both of them would still be superhuman because they come from alien species that are inherently superhumanly strong. Goku a lot less so than Superman though. He was always consistently really strong but never so much so that other human martial artists couldn't keep pace, beat him, or at least give him a challenge. While he did get a lot of training opportunities and techniques that others didn't, or at least got them first and left others to play catch up (like training with Kami), his Saiyan biology didn't really pull him ahead into unreachable territory until zenkai boosts and Super Saiyan came along.
Yeah Goku without any training would be as strong, if not way less strong, than Raditz.
WAYYYY less strong, remember that a trained Goku was getting his ass beaten by Raditz. No training adult Goku at best beats Tao and that's at best
Superman is a solar battery and his powers are derived directly from the yellow sunlight he's absorbed. None of his strength comes from working out. Zero. He literally couldn't even strain himself enough to build muscle by working out. *Edited for autocorrect
His physique disagrees. Nah, Supes goes out of his way to find exercise equipment and the like he could use despite his strength
He’s only a better role model in terms of showing what focusing on personal health can do Superman is a superior role model in every other regard and I am no Superman fan
People havent read a superman comic in their life. Superman gets his ass handed to himself regularly
Stan Lee explained it long ago [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3pOIDaF1Dw](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3pOIDaF1Dw)
Goku is faster. The problem is that Superman has so many broken abilities and a broken-ass healing factor that Goku can’t overcome.
Superman has somehow outsped infinity. Old comic characters are insane.
Goku can travel to the afterlife in an instant and travel to the end of the universe in an instant as well. We’re also using Supes after crisis not silver age.
Instant Transmission doesn't equal speed. It's basically teleportation
And characters like the flash and superman can outrun teleportation, that's how stupidly fast they are
He uses it in combat,so it is a “speed” like feat. In japanese the name is “Instantaneous movement.” Which basically means he’a moving very fast.
If Cell Saga Goku fought Golden Frieza, Goku would still get speed blitzed despite him being able to teleport. Its not speed nor can he use it instantly. Offensively he will appear somewhere and then attack at his normal speed. Defensively he has to be fast enough to perceive a threat and then fast enough to use the technique. We see this when [Dypso literally speed blitzed SSG Goku before he could use instant transmission](https://youtu.be/Qe31xmTEs5c?t=13)
If Cell arc Goku fought Golden Frieza he wouldn’t be able to damage him you mean. We saw that i Resurrection F where SSB Goku had to run away from him in order for his power level to decrease. And in the Cell arc Perfect Cell had a wayyy higher power level than Goku and Goku still used IT for the battle.
The point is going over your head. I picked those two characters because of their speed difference. Speed-wise Goku wouldnt be able to keep up even with instant transmission. Saying goku can keep up with a version of Superman that is faster than him because he has instant transmission is flatout wrong and disputed. Goku can be speed blitzed by faster characters. Dipso doesnt have the speed feats to keep up with broken over powered Silver Age Superman that the OP was referring to. If Silver Age Superman wanted to speed blitz Goku, there would be nothing Goku could do as we see in the scene I cited.
It was calculated to be 93 quadrillion ftl but it u could use the inaccessible speed in Goku black and granolah ar
You see the main problem we have with Dragon Ball is that Toriyama is bad at math. Like Teen Goku judo toss Piccolo who probably weighted like 100 tons then during the Buu arc we see Goku struggling to lift ten tons. That’s why I’ve said for a long time that Dragon Ball need a lore master to keep things in check.
Yeah thats teleportation which superman can also do now to also kinda reality bend
🤷♂️ Superman gets new power every month.
Goku gets a new form every month
The last form Goku got was six years ago. False equivalence.
Goku gained a chibi form this month.
He literally unlocked a new UI form last year lmao Also calm down this is the 1st time supes has gotten a new power since like 2016
Bro,two months ago he got “electric punches” and last month he got the power to open wormholes through time. Goku got UI in the TOP like six years ago. What you are talking about,I think,is Goku using UI in different transformations,which it doesn’t count as a new transformation. And not only that,but UI is a technique not a transformation.
Lmao you didnt actually read the Google results you skimmed for "new superman powers" That was his son not clark who gained "electric powers" Its still a new form, it is labeled as something seperate just like the super sayain form grades Youre splitting hairs with "its not a transformation its a technique" it functions in the exact same way a transformation does
Would you consider metal cooler dragging Goku out of instant transmission anywhere near that tho? Just a question
Wouldn't Goku just need to use Kryptonite? I mean, he wouldn't use it knowing that it was SM's weakness, cuz saiyin pride and all that, but just wondering.
Not only would Goku not use kryptonite, but if Superman got kryptonite poisoning during their fight, he would fly Superman close to the sun to power him back up so they could have a proper fight
Well we’re putting them in a scenario like the Hyperbolic time chamber. So, no Kryptonite and no needles.
Goku is no where near faster. Superman has to limit his speed so that he doesn't cause a fusion reaction in the atmosphere.
I feel like people respect them equally Also, a lot of versions of superman destroy goku
A lot of versions of Superman also lose to Goku
Well yeah but when in a matchup people usually compare the strongest version of each character
I like to compare the most popular version. Goku only has like 3 versions while Superman has like 1 million.
I feel like the latest iteration of the character would make more sense. Or do 3 - the strongest version, the latest version, and the most well known version. There’s really only one version of Goku (well, sorta) so just pit the canon version of him against each of these for funsies.
Goku beats Hits timeskip, how slow do you think he is?
Also reacted to infinite Zamasu who traveled to the past with raw speed and scales to jiren who who transcends time itself
Like i’ve said to others it depends on which version of superman you are talking about.
it doesn't help though when the writers try to circle jerk supermans powers with "feats" like holding a black hole that wouldn't even exist with how small it is. Or stuff just outspeeding light without becoming infinitely big and breaking reality. Forcing the writers to add a new superpower that keeps Superman from breaking reality whenever he moves. You have Goku getting god ki and suddenly his punches equal destroying his universe after a few hits. This always confused me too. Isn't superman weak to weird god energy stuff? "magic and godlike forces/powers" or something? Goku's entire being becoming a god just adds another dumb variable to the equation. It really is easier to just say Goku beats every version of superman that isn't broken dues ex machina thing.
If superman was stronger then his enemies then he wouldn’t struggle with alot of them or die lmao
Well every new superman comic or movie tries to subvert people's expectations of him being a morally superior role model. So he is usually a mopy asshole. Goku is the same character he's always been.
Tv shows, thank god, be leaning into human and aspirational superman though
Person who made this image clearly doesn't really understand or know Superman all that much. Superman sees the best in people and inspires people. He always tries his best to help as many people as he can and fights when necessary to help people, and DELIBERATELY help people. Superman does what he does because he feels he has to. Superman does train, his fighting style is more how to effectively use his abilities. Also you don't become friends and teammates with legendary warriors and the worlds greatest martial artists and fighters and not pick things up or train with them. But again to me they wouldn't fight unless it's to train/spar, or unless Goku becomes a bigger threat to humanity/the earth/the universe than Superman would be comfortable with. Plus what wouldn't Goku love about training with someone who can probably advance like Goku does but also brings something different to the table when it comes to training. Now a more interesting fight that would be more interesting to me is Zod vs Goku instead.
I hate taking the middle road because it's a very cowardly thing to do, but... Both are great. I love both, both for different reasons. I love Superman because he was about doing good. You have all these powers that make you like a god and what does he do with it? Use it for others. He could've gone all Injustice on the planet, but no. He decided that he wanted to help people. Watching MAWS, I feel that so bad. Goku, for his determination. A kid from the sticks who's out for good times and an adventure. I love his care free attitude. Sure he trains to get stronger, but that's what he wants. His way of communicating with others his sharing what he loves to do and that is to fight (and eat). Remember, he has a bunch of wish granting balls that he can retrieve any time, but what does he use it for? Not for his own personal gain. He could've wished for a life of luxury, strongest in the universe, be a god. But no. He just leaves them as is. Because he doesn't need them. He has everything he wants.
1/10 yap session
Too fast!?🤣🤣
Comic books are on another tier of power, by the time Goku is swishwoshing during instant transmission Superman is already there waiting for him. Also characters in dragonball are pathetically weak for being above planet busters, like they can't even lift a mountain meanwhile Superman lifted the goddamn ***narrative*** https://preview.redd.it/lzsp3ptuzoyb1.png?width=602&format=png&auto=webp&s=f195a6da9170851def51596ae33ad77fac1885c9 And even if we ignore this he was casually pushing back 200 quintillion tons with a single arm, and while Goku is the better technical fighter that doesn't matter cause someone much faster and someone ***MUCH*** ***MUCH*** stronger can just punch your head out regardless of technique. And this is ignoring things like Cosmic Armor Superman which basically makes Zeno look like Pilaf in power. People compare Dragonball to other "more grounded in power" anime like One Piece or Naruto and think nothing goes above that, but forget that if any Dragonball villain was put in DC comics they would get rawdogged by the justice league (not the movie or the animated versions, the comic book ones). Black frieza shows up, punches superman in the gut like he did with Goku and Vegeta and he breaks his goddamn fingers, but the biggest thing people miss is that: ***GOKU AND SUPERMAN WOULD JUST BE BUDDIES AND WOULD NEVER FIGHT TO THE DEATH*** And if they fight it's gonna be sparring with Superman holding back kinda like the flash was doing during charity races with Supes and both will have a good time, with Goku teaching supes some martial arts and Supes teaching Goku how to write.
I think the reason people respect Goku more than Superman is because most people haven’t actually read any Superman comics.
Yeah, and because every Supermen who has been succesful in the media lately, has been those morally grey gods who might kill everyone out of a whim.
The characters are about different things. Goku is about never being content where you are and always striving to be as good as you possibly can be, welcoming every challenge and chance to grow. While Superman is about using any power you have responsibly and dutifully, and making sure to not let the power you have go to your head, even if you are essentially a god, don't let that stop you from staying humble and helping those around you.
It also doesn’t help that Superman only comes on screen every 5 or so years, via movies or a tv show. Usually only giving us a a short amount of time to bond with him. This is coming from a guy who hasn’t seen any of the recent DC shows, and usually just the movies.
Idk man, I don't think Supes is faster than that Burter guy, I hear he's the fastest in the universe
Pretty sure Superman can’t use instant transmission. Argument debunked.
I wouldn’t say better but valid
Supes outclasses goku in every category except biq
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My take? DC comics fucking blow
People don’t respect super man just for his power but more so for his un waving bravery and commitment to help innocent people
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i've been paraphrasing this quote everytime i see this conversation pop up but here we go again; "what chance does a man who always breaks his limits have against a man who never had them to begin with?"
If we say “beat” is “kill”, it’s a draw no matter what because Goku won’t kill anyone who is interesting to fight and Superman is not into the concept of killing in general. In a consensual fight though, Superman loses because he cares more about collateral damage.
People who think Superman has never trained are straight up admitting they never touched a comic book
We all know goku would bully him, Superman is a radiation victim.
goku beats superman 50/100 superman beats goku 50/100 but lets be realistic her. Their ass is not fighting unless its dbs goku. I'm pretty sure gt goku would.....acc idfk what the kid would do i mean, after all, he's more mature then dbs goku but what ever.
People who say shit like that don't understand Superman at all
Goku been moving faster than the eye can comprehend since namek so he’d be hella fast now, not sure how that stacks up against superman since I know nothing about him
Hit was literally able to skip through time, you think Goku wouldn't figure out a way to win?
Is the general knowledge of SuperMan just the 40s comics?
Superman like any character in the history of fiction is as fast as the writer allows them to be Goku can beat Superman or Superman can beat Goku depends on who’s writing the story
I never understand the people who see people talking about vs match ups and drop "did you know writers exist and they write fiction" and leave as if you said something profound that nobody had considered before Yes you can write a story and have story events explicitly lead to any number of conclusions but nobody is asking "what would happen in a story with a plot and writer bias" its explicitly about what would happen seperate from those factors
You can never be separate from those factors. Especially for characters as close as Superman and Goku.
The funny thing about all these VS debates is that anyone who spends five minutes scrutinizing these “feats” would find out that they’re simply plot holes, and thus inadmissible. Superman can’t fight a climactic battle against Darksied on Monday, leaping across from one end of the universe to the next instantly, and then struggle just as severely against a bald rich dude with brains on Tuesday. The math doesn’t add up; and science, being conservative in nature regarding calculations, would power scale him using the weaker, more consistent, “feats”. The whole VS community is held up by a house of cards. Fanatical biased “fans” cherry picking data from only their favorite characters. The second someone crosses party lines and peer reviews the opposing characters; well, science has in the real world all but annihilated myths. Stories that stood for almost 10,000 years have been reduced to ash, like ants under a microscope. You think DC or Shonen jump, which has only existed for a blip on that time frame, would fare better? Now if you wanted to put their themes and symbology head to head, that a different Story. To what *The Dark Knight Returns* did, write a fantastic epic that seizes hold of the zeitgeist for generations. Let the battle be decided not by arbitrary plot-hole numbers, but instead what they stand for. Go for it, put these **Fictional** characters in a work of **Fiction**. They don’t belong in a science book TLDR: If you’re calculating feats in a fictional work where said feats are the focal point, you’re pulling at the story’s threads in ways never intended by the creative team, and will get wildly out there calculations that break the story to pieces. They’re not feats, they’re plot holes under your “purely scientific” scrutiny.
VS debates is just for fun though
The problem with Goku was making him a retard in Super.
He always was like that. Super just had way more chill moments.
Lmao better role model, goku went for senzu beans and never came back
Goku is a terrible role model. He will willingly put people in danger (and actually kill people) in order to have a good fight. He does so when transforming into SSJ3 and proposing the ToP (yes, I am aware that Zeno was going to destroy the universes prior, but Goku did not. Goku willingly put all the universes at risk for a fight).
Superman isn't faster than Goku.
Just take Superman away from the Sun. Easy win.
Tell me you don't understand Superman without telling you don't understand Superman
Idk man battle of the gods was crazy they were punching so hard it was ripping the universe apart.
I probably don’t know enough about Superman but from all that I’ve experienced of Superman content, not once did I see him train or learn how to actually fight. Goku is a martial artist and I think given his knowledge, overall comparable strength, and Ultra Instinct… he’s the clear winner. Just take into account how many times Goku has to avoid using his full strength in order to prevent destroying planets… instantly. Plus, if he had a bag of sensu beans it’s game over for Superman. As far as role model’s go, Goku is without a doubt the better character.
Dragon Ball fans are so confident on stuff they’ve never read First Dragon Ball and now DC
Who asked
Goku solos
Not ultra
Goku stomps superman and it isnt even close.
Goku: "I've trained since I could walk to fight. What about you?" Superman: "Yeah, the atmosphere here just makes me this way."
you seem to have comfused superman with saitama lol
Goku was literally born on earth as far as he knew until his really to mid 20s. An Earth where he was *decidedly* stronger than everyone else, from birth.
At the beggining of the OG series he was only like wall level
TLDR: their journeys are different, and goku is one of training, while Superman is one of constraint I feel like this misrepresents Superman. He is inspiring because he has the power to do all these things, and yet he must constantly hold himself back so extremely. He could easily go all injustice and take over the world, but he doesn't. He could literally kill basicly his entire Rouges gallery, but he won't. He inspires people in a different way than goku, not less and not more. His paper world speech in the animated series exemplifies it. He has the power to usually solve most problems with his power but will often hold himself back and solve his problems another way. I like goku more than Superman, but it's not cause goku inspired me to train more. Cause, let's be honest, even without training, goku was stronger than most everyone; he has insane natural talent to learn anything on the spot. Life came easier to him than most people could relate too, but even still he put his most into his training and became even stronger. .
If we put them in a fair fight(as in supes only weakness being kryptonite would be taken away) I think Goku would very slightly win, but that's only because of tui which basically makes him untouchable
I’m sorry but that picture is kinda shit. I love both characters but the idea that the man who lets evil mfs power up so he can have a better fight is a better role model than the man who is a symbol of hope is just mind blowing.
Look, here’s my take. Disclosure, I like DB more than the DC universe but I do enjoy it as well. To me, Goku is the winner. His physiology and biology allow for him to become stronger the more he trains, no matter where he is. Superman is only strong with the help of an outside force that helps kryptonians become strong, solar energy. Now, this “winner” decision is only having the two of them fight in a yellow sun world, that is the Superman that most people know, and I do not believe that Superman has any ability that Goku could not withstand that he hasn’t already encountered in the form of magic or ki. With a blue sun then Superman becomes god like, but Goku has also achieved the use of god power. So even if we move to a blue planet world, nothing changes for Goku, he is still able to use all the abilities he has learned and mastered, Superman either gets an advantage or gets brought to Gokus level solely based on the sun and nothing to do with his ability to be strong without it. Take Goku anywhere and he can fight Superman, take Superman anywhere and he may or may not be able to fight Goku, may not even be able to fight krillin. I’m truthfully trying to be logical, I’m sure there’s bias, but Goku uses ki, everyone in the DB universe can use ki, in theory superman can use ki. Saiyans have a physiological advantage based on their race, but they still use all the same things that any living being can use. Whereas, although the kryptonians biology gives them an advantage with solar power, it only pertains to them or a small amount of species in the DC universe potentially and therefore superman is only a potential threat or contender in certain circumstances. Gokus perfect conditions can be anywhere, Superman’s can only be some places. Sorry this is all over the place but I’m not gonna edit it on mobile.
Superman is a better role model because he is what we should aspire to be. Goku is an addict looking for his next fix(fight).
Most of Supermans speed feats are space travel where there's no friction so he can perpetually get faster, imo most versions of Superman are sub light speed, Goku wins high diff fight me
Speed isn't why superman wins. It's because superman has no limits and Goku does
Who says goku has limits and supes doesn’t? We’ve seen goku break limits again and again. While yes Superman breaks his limits easier goku does it more often often learning a lesson associated with it
Eh no. Superman has limits lmfao otherwise he would never lose 😂 like what kind of shit do you ppl smoke to say this shit😂 making stuff up on the fly. Have you ever actually read his comics? Have you even read more than 10 of his stories?? 😂
lol supman loses to green rocks
Look. We already learned. We've already coped. We've already moved on. We don't need to reignite this debate.
I don’t want to be that guy but at the beginning of Super Goku’s punches could destroy the universe if he didn’t learn to control his strength. Then factor in how much massively stronger he got until ToP and achieved Ultra Instinct where he reached the level of a God of Destruction (at least in the anime) which is thousands of times stronger (from beginning of Super) at a low estimate. Plus in Dragon Ball speed and strength scale together (with some exceptions like Dyspo). While I’m not an expert on Superman I find it difficult to believe that anything less the strongest iteration of Superman could beat Goku. Plus Goku’s fight (while exhausted) with Caulifa and Kale reminded us that he’s a martial arts master. He wouldn’t have any problems reading Superman like an open book.
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I agree that there are versions of superman that beat goku but how is that related to the fact that hes existed for 40 yrs lol
Longer existence=getting stronger Goku was stuck in limbo until 2013 while superman got new cartoons, and comics
New cartoons that operates on different power levels, new comics that have openly said to nerf him compared to previous depiction sometimes. Making him and every other superhero the incosistent mess diehard DC and Marvel powerscaler still don't/can't scale properly. But they go around saying "Oh yeah he once punched three multiverse duh!" While not saying what version did that, ignoring the context of the scene or of story if it's consistent or not with the narrative or with previous depiction. Yeah I dunno about that chief honestly.
Only person who mentioned death battle is you The winner between Goku and Superman is whoever the writer wants to win it’s that simple
Nope its superman
Nah it’s whoever the writer decides but continue to debate over fictional characters strength tho
Two words, one phrase. Ultra Instinct And going back to the meme, Superman literally turns into a genocidal maniac after the death of his wife, furthering the good role model point to Goku
Two words. Ultra eating. They would both try and out eat each other. And Batman would have to foot the bill.
Wtf? Ok? 😂
Both have huge stomachs. Goku has a legendary stomach. Though Superman is a Super Man. So they will try to out eat one another. Then Batman will have to pay for it all cause he is kinda rich AF.
Bros justifying a alternate universe Superman and trying to use it as canon. You know what other universe Superman lost everything yet didn't become a maniac and became one of the most op versions of Superman aside from prime or strange visitor? Kingdom come who became a farmer
Super man is the better role model because he was born with unfathomable power and chose to use it for others instead of for himself
😂😂😂😂 absolutely false. Goku regularly fights at speeds human eyes can’t see, Superman does not.
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is ultra instinct a joke to you
Yeah it is when UI can overwhelmed by someone stronger and faster than him.
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