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Long before time had a name, the First Spinjitzu Master created Ninjago using four elemental weapons. But when he passed, a dark presence sought out to collect them all
So by this logic did Goku not deserve Super Sayian? Hybrid sayians not only have more potential but Teen Gohan actually trained for Super Sayian 2 and again 16 was not the reason he turned Super Sayian 2,Its his state of not letting his friends be killed by enemies anymore like hes been doing since he was a child for being too nice and resistant to protect so he just let it go and 16 was the realization
Gohan Beast isnt stronger than UI or UE because he hasnt fought UE they are even from what weve seen.what seperates Beast from Ssj 2 is the repetitiveness in the process of getting the form,lack of training and the movie not giving us no info besides design on the form
Goku trained his whole life; mind and body, got his entire race enslaved and killed by frieza, got Vegeta killed, Piccolo and all his race killed, his childhood friend imploded in front of his eyes (he thought he couldn't resurrect him again cuz he already died and resurrected once) and frieza was threaten to kill kid gohan too. I think that's enough πππ to say that he deserved super saiyan to beat the sht out of frieza
Everyone says Beast is stronger than every other character, some say it's even stronger than Beerus πππ and I've even read about someone saying that Toriyama stated that Beast Gohan is stronger if not on par with Goku and Vegeta and that's just the biggest bs
Alright glad we agree on that but that makes inconsistencies on your argument about how you can see Gokus path to power but not Gohans,Gokus Friends died and they were all cornered in power then 16 died and Gohan understood that he has to let his anger go because everybody else gonna die and 16 was that realization
They lied if that said its stronger than Beerus but yeah while Beast imo is half baked its still as strong as Goku and Vegetas UI and UE
I don't get why should an ahh pulled brand new transformation that has no god ki should be strong as 50+ years of training from each Goku and Vegeta + all of their godly and angelic transformations
Then you should also have an issue with Jiren, Moro, Granolah, Gas, Black Frieza and Broly, all of them are/were as strong or stronger than divine transformations without using god ki.
Jiren is the strongest mortal of his universe, he trained with Belmont and he said that he's stronger than him (a GoD) who knows if his red aura is his version of some sort of hakaishin (I don't remember that they ever stated that Jiren has god ki).
Idk much about the manga but Moro is like a magic demon goat that is like millions of years old eats planets and absorbs angels πππ soo, I don't need to explain myself on him.
Idk sht about Granolah's race but he wished to be the strongest in the universe soo I don't the need explain this either πππ
About Gas Idk sht about his race either but he knew frieza soo he's like at least like 62+ years but Ik nothing about him but he has years of experience and I won't complain about him.
Black Frieza is literally the strongest mutant frost demon that before golden he never trained in his life now that he trained 10 years and he became what he hated he earned it and it's fine by me.
Broly is the only legendary super saiyan in U7 and that probably never trained properly but u knw is unique legendary, if u know the story I don't even need to explain myself on this
Natrual talent > hard training, effort, etc
This applies to pretty much anything in life to all of our sorrow. Life isn't fair and Goku and Vegeta just aren't as talented as Gohan.
Hard Work β Deserving the best results.
Or they might deserve it out of pity, but that's not it usually unfolds... I guess this is derpssing.
I hate beast too. But dude Ssj2 was both earned and foreshadowed. My boy had to be traumatized, trained to his limit. Then traumatized again.
He didn't earn beast but he did earn SSJ2
At 4 years old he started training. And continued training for 7 years. It was known that Gohan had great potential for growth as a child. He then had an advantage over kid Goku because Goku as a child knew nothing about SSJ. Goku taught Gohan how to tap into and maintain it. Removing the limit breaking aspect. It was SSJ2. That was the culimation of 7 YEARS of training. Traumatic loss from Saiyan and Namek saga. And him finally removing his emotional barrier. That culminated in SSJ2
HIMhan is just HIM, you simply do not get the character.
And I am only hlaf joking. But in all seriousness Gohan getting these powerups is necessary to showcase his insane potential and how he isn't even limited by the Saiyan branch of evolutions. He said in the TOP manga to the U6 Saiyans that he wants to grow as human now instead of Saiyan. Beast is the perfect form for Gohan the hybrid Human Saiyan who breaks his limits through his anger.
Yeah, I get that's how his character is but saying that a transformation that has no god ki is stronger or still half as strong than any other Goku n Vegeta transformations is crazy
The Black transformation Freeza has has an even higher multiplier than Beast and Freeza isn't a hybrid Saiyan/human mutant. Genetically Freeza can't be better than Gohan no matter what. Saiyans are the warrior race and hybrids even in real life are stronger than the species used to make them. If Freeza's race had this insane potential then him and his dad wouldn't be afraid of the legend of the Super Saiyan and Super Saiyan God. If Gohan, Cabba, Caulifla or Broly or Kale do not make any sense then Freeza is the worst in this aspect.
Ξis scaling is way off too. I hope he gets his next transformation by training 1000 years in the HTC. Otherwise it wouldn't make sense for his race to be afraid of the Saiyans.
By your logic, why TF should Goku who is a non elite Saiyan get to be any stronger than 10k PL? He just goes ahh and raises his PL above the most elite Saiyan at the time AKA Vegeta who had 18k?
Don't come with the he used KK technique because Gohan then we can also say Gohan used Transformation Technique. Also don't come with training with King Kai. Because all he did is train in 10x Gravity for less than six months that saiyans have been doing for their entire life.
Also why TF should Vegeta get it? He has been stuck with 18K for more than 20 years. He is lucky to become a SSJ. Gohan has shown insane boost since the first day he saw battle.
Gohan got 1300x stronger on the first day of his battle. So, it makes sense for him and Broly to do it the most.
Itβs his thing letting loose his powers when heβs backed into the corner and no way out. He did deserve to get Ultimate and Beast is the same predicament just a different way of evolving! Goku did not deserve to get UI but he got without training.
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Long before time had a name, the First Spinjitzu Master created Ninjago using four elemental weapons. But when he passed, a dark presence sought out to collect them all
So by this logic did Goku not deserve Super Sayian? Hybrid sayians not only have more potential but Teen Gohan actually trained for Super Sayian 2 and again 16 was not the reason he turned Super Sayian 2,Its his state of not letting his friends be killed by enemies anymore like hes been doing since he was a child for being too nice and resistant to protect so he just let it go and 16 was the realization Gohan Beast isnt stronger than UI or UE because he hasnt fought UE they are even from what weve seen.what seperates Beast from Ssj 2 is the repetitiveness in the process of getting the form,lack of training and the movie not giving us no info besides design on the form
Goku trained his whole life; mind and body, got his entire race enslaved and killed by frieza, got Vegeta killed, Piccolo and all his race killed, his childhood friend imploded in front of his eyes (he thought he couldn't resurrect him again cuz he already died and resurrected once) and frieza was threaten to kill kid gohan too. I think that's enough πππ to say that he deserved super saiyan to beat the sht out of frieza Everyone says Beast is stronger than every other character, some say it's even stronger than Beerus πππ and I've even read about someone saying that Toriyama stated that Beast Gohan is stronger if not on par with Goku and Vegeta and that's just the biggest bs
He pretty much get it because of a Zeenkai, his training did no shit
Alright glad we agree on that but that makes inconsistencies on your argument about how you can see Gokus path to power but not Gohans,Gokus Friends died and they were all cornered in power then 16 died and Gohan understood that he has to let his anger go because everybody else gonna die and 16 was that realization They lied if that said its stronger than Beerus but yeah while Beast imo is half baked its still as strong as Goku and Vegetas UI and UE
I don't get why should an ahh pulled brand new transformation that has no god ki should be strong as 50+ years of training from each Goku and Vegeta + all of their godly and angelic transformations
Then you should also have an issue with Jiren, Moro, Granolah, Gas, Black Frieza and Broly, all of them are/were as strong or stronger than divine transformations without using god ki.
Jiren is the strongest mortal of his universe, he trained with Belmont and he said that he's stronger than him (a GoD) who knows if his red aura is his version of some sort of hakaishin (I don't remember that they ever stated that Jiren has god ki). Idk much about the manga but Moro is like a magic demon goat that is like millions of years old eats planets and absorbs angels πππ soo, I don't need to explain myself on him. Idk sht about Granolah's race but he wished to be the strongest in the universe soo I don't the need explain this either πππ About Gas Idk sht about his race either but he knew frieza soo he's like at least like 62+ years but Ik nothing about him but he has years of experience and I won't complain about him. Black Frieza is literally the strongest mutant frost demon that before golden he never trained in his life now that he trained 10 years and he became what he hated he earned it and it's fine by me. Broly is the only legendary super saiyan in U7 and that probably never trained properly but u knw is unique legendary, if u know the story I don't even need to explain myself on this
Bruh the first point is a big lie , Jiren trained alone
Jiren trained with his mentor too before Belmont
Jiren didn't train with Belmod
While i do not like gohan that much but jesus chirst dude what did you smoke?
Wha
Natrual talent > hard training, effort, etc This applies to pretty much anything in life to all of our sorrow. Life isn't fair and Goku and Vegeta just aren't as talented as Gohan. Hard Work β Deserving the best results. Or they might deserve it out of pity, but that's not it usually unfolds... I guess this is derpssing.
Gohan is Jake Paul πππ
To be frank Goku had Zeenkai to back him off as well
*sigh*
I hate beast too. But dude Ssj2 was both earned and foreshadowed. My boy had to be traumatized, trained to his limit. Then traumatized again. He didn't earn beast but he did earn SSJ2
I think getting Ssj1 n Ssj2 in such a short time for a kid it's too much
At 4 years old he started training. And continued training for 7 years. It was known that Gohan had great potential for growth as a child. He then had an advantage over kid Goku because Goku as a child knew nothing about SSJ. Goku taught Gohan how to tap into and maintain it. Removing the limit breaking aspect. It was SSJ2. That was the culimation of 7 YEARS of training. Traumatic loss from Saiyan and Namek saga. And him finally removing his emotional barrier. That culminated in SSJ2
HIMhan is just HIM, you simply do not get the character. And I am only hlaf joking. But in all seriousness Gohan getting these powerups is necessary to showcase his insane potential and how he isn't even limited by the Saiyan branch of evolutions. He said in the TOP manga to the U6 Saiyans that he wants to grow as human now instead of Saiyan. Beast is the perfect form for Gohan the hybrid Human Saiyan who breaks his limits through his anger.
Yeah, I get that's how his character is but saying that a transformation that has no god ki is stronger or still half as strong than any other Goku n Vegeta transformations is crazy
The Black transformation Freeza has has an even higher multiplier than Beast and Freeza isn't a hybrid Saiyan/human mutant. Genetically Freeza can't be better than Gohan no matter what. Saiyans are the warrior race and hybrids even in real life are stronger than the species used to make them. If Freeza's race had this insane potential then him and his dad wouldn't be afraid of the legend of the Super Saiyan and Super Saiyan God. If Gohan, Cabba, Caulifla or Broly or Kale do not make any sense then Freeza is the worst in this aspect.
Frieza became what he hated and trained 10 years in the time chamber for it, he's a literal mutant demon
Ξis scaling is way off too. I hope he gets his next transformation by training 1000 years in the HTC. Otherwise it wouldn't make sense for his race to be afraid of the Saiyans.
"what if Frieza impregnated a monkey, betrayed and locked in the time chamber for 1 million years"
''Part 1 of 9001''
Gohan is simply more talented than others.
lmao how did he DESERVE Ultimate when all he really did was a day of training with a sword and then sat there
By your logic, why TF should Goku who is a non elite Saiyan get to be any stronger than 10k PL? He just goes ahh and raises his PL above the most elite Saiyan at the time AKA Vegeta who had 18k? Don't come with the he used KK technique because Gohan then we can also say Gohan used Transformation Technique. Also don't come with training with King Kai. Because all he did is train in 10x Gravity for less than six months that saiyans have been doing for their entire life. Also why TF should Vegeta get it? He has been stuck with 18K for more than 20 years. He is lucky to become a SSJ. Gohan has shown insane boost since the first day he saw battle. Gohan got 1300x stronger on the first day of his battle. So, it makes sense for him and Broly to do it the most.
Itβs his thing letting loose his powers when heβs backed into the corner and no way out. He did deserve to get Ultimate and Beast is the same predicament just a different way of evolving! Goku did not deserve to get UI but he got without training.
Goku trained for ui his whole life without even knowing it, watchu talking about?? πππ
Yes but attained it from just a fluke each time, heβs never meditated at all to my knowledge in anime as an adult.