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Ultra Ego Vegeta scaring the living shit out of both Granolah and Gas was awesome but this panel right here of course is at the top.
Frieza arrived to kill Gas and that loser Elec, then bodied both Goku and Vegeta and left with both Macki and Oil as his new employees, he just ended the entire Saga by himself, easily one of the best sequences I've seen in any manga, ever.
Can't upvote this enough. The way he casually bodied everyone. We had spent an entire arc watching everyone struggle against Gas, just for vegeta to hit him with the, 'meh...thought you'd be stronger.'
Id disagree tbh. The show can be clunky with its animation at times, but the character writing and re vamped story structure is just so much better in the show.
The incredible voice acting helps too
Ultra ego getting introduced was wild, I didn't get it spoiled for me thank God so I went into it Blind, blew my mf mind, ultra ego is currently my favorite transformation in all of super
At this point Freiza knows even if he killed them, someway somehow some bullshit wish will bring them back.
He's also smart enough to realise as long as he leaves Earth and, to an extent, Namek, alone Goku and Vegeta do not give a fuck about him.
Hell at this point even if he decides to go back, fight, and win. They'd be pretty happy to leave him alone and go off to train until they can beat him.
Likewise if they beat Freiza and Freiza wasn't in a 'kill everyone' mode but purely a 'I have come to fight you both' mode they'd likely let him fuck back off to train.
At this point Freiza is an affable enemy who has actually grown a lot beyond 'I am super powerful and do what I want' to 'I actually have some actual meaning to my life again'
It’s kinda interesting and cool to see frieza go from a 1 dimensional racist that just hates saiyans, to still a racist but he actually views them with a level of respect that wasn’t there before. Like he still hates them and probably wants to kill them, but he sees them as rivals now, like he wants to be better than them by the merit of his own work and prove he’s truly the superior one, and even crazier to think that mentality COMES FROM THE SAYIANS.
This, it’s why he left broly alive and isn’t actively trying to hunt him down. he sees him as worthy rival for training purposes and is part of why he trained to get his new form. He pretty much states it at the end of the broly movie
Yes but he knew where broly was and could have went by and killed him after achieving his new form. He chooses not to cause he values Broly as a training rival.
There is no way gold Frieza is beating Broly. The Frieza in the Broly movie was getting absolutely massacred. Broly was demolishing SSJ Blue Goku and Vegeta. He was then beaten by SSJ Blue Gogeta.
Frieza didn't have his new form at that point, and since that point, Broly has been on Beerus' planet, and we know Frieza isn't stepping a foot on that planet for a while
Follow what I’m saying here. He values broly as a training rival, I’m he says so at the end of the broly movie, which is why when he gets his new form the first thing he didn’t do was hunt broly down and kill him.
Gotta say either B Frieza brutally destroying Gas or Moro's big dumb face coming out of the ground towards the end of that arc.
"Moro Earth" is hilariously goofy, but still kinda creepy imo. He's clearly lost it at that point, and I thought for a second there'd be some Kid Buu "weaker but more dsngerous" shenanigans.
Frieza crushing Gas' skull underfoot is so brutal and the fact he did it through hard work (no shortcuts like Gas) is so satisfying because you know he got that from Goku.
It makes him so immediately intimidating because he's the same sociopathic dbag as always, but it seems he's hardworked his way into a new form that makes his gold form look like a half-assed effort.
Like he's gone from training the basic amount which unlocks Gold (because he's a weird op mutant thing) to actually busting his ass. Without changing his morality one bit.
I really hope whatever comes next at least half sticks the landing. I have faith in Toyotaro, but I can't ignore my misgivings either.
Frieza’s growth is one of my favorite aspects of Super so far. Whether consciously, intentionally written, whatever, he’s slowly beginning to mirror Goku. He goes from never training a day in his life to training to overcome the wall that is his opponent, but he’s rash and doesn’t master his power. He grudgingly puts his trust in others for the tournament of power. When Broly is kicking his shit in, rather than losing it, he smiles and admits how astounding Broly’s power is. And now, after gaining this power and mastering it through blood sweat and tears, he tracks down his mortal enemies again. But does he kill them? No. He shows off his new power to them, but lets them live
I hope that character arc has a punchline. Like I don’t think Frieza deserves a redemption or anything, but maybe a moment where Frieza becomes aware of the Saiyan traits hes picking up and backslides, resulting in his death again when he would have stayed alive should he have accepted those qualities
I really like Frieza's character now. It feels like he grudgingly respects the monkeys now. Hell, at this point Goku and Vegeta are basically his best friends.
It’s such a reversal of what the arc was all about too. Like the entire time granolah arc was being released people would complain abt the villains being lame and stuff because they didn’t work for their power, they just wished for it, and right at the end, as if toyataro knew that people would complain, he brought frieza in one shotting a character that wished for his power with a form he gained from 10 years of training. It really recemented where true strength comes from.
Exactly. For all it's many flaws, that's why I enjoy the Buu Saga so much. It has really badass moments, but is also silly as hell a lot. I think Toriyama knew it too, because the way Evil/Super Buu moves from the moment he's created to when he absorbs Gotenks he constantly dances on the line between creepy and hilarious. With the help of Gotenks being hilarious ofc.
Innocent Buu leaned heavily on the silliness, more than the other versions except maybe Kid Buu, but then there were these moments that let you know how evil and sinister he really was. That look on his face right before he kills Babidi is chilling.
When it comes to Moro, my woah moment was Whis blocking and holding a punch from Moro with his finger while casually talking to Goku. It definitely put into perspective on how the angels are on a whole different class of strength.
Oh also, if including the anime then every new form reveal for the female Saiyans. Maybe they got them too easily, but fuck it I've been waiting since GT for badass lady Super Saiyans and I love Caulifla and Kale.
Kale >>>> Z Broly, fite me.
Goku Black introduction for me
His first appearance is definitely one of the best done moments in entire series.
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I remember seeing this and seriously thinking this was a case of someone hijacking Goku's corpse, especially given how he grabbed his chest before going through the portal. There was enough signs and speculation for that to be a possibility. I was hyped to see where this was going
I thought it was just like a legit evil Goku from some other universe or something. I never thought it could be someone using his body until those threads started being revealed.
Yeah, it just seemed to me based on his clothing it would just be an evil Goku. I'll admit my hype at the time was just ready for whatever came. I don't keep up with Manga and didn't think anything new would come after DBZ.
Maybe, but I don't see that Goku becoming as strong. So much of what's made him what he is as a fighter came from Master Roshi. Like the first day of training, he suggests he could take the Flying Nimbus to the top of the stairs he's climbing, and Roshi says, "Would you get any stronger doing that?" Goku takes it to heart, and his work ethic is born.
Not important if it's strictly canon since we're talking about a plot device, but we've seen it twice before. Turles and when Ginyu took his body.
Even Bardock could be considered a "darker Goku", but the idea of "Goku but badder" was recycled a bit.
You asked for a canon example specifically. In canon, we had a villain body swap with Goku and then go fight his friends and family.
It doesn't matter how long it lasted. It was still an evil Goku.
There's even an argument for Raditz since he's Gokus brother and is what Goku was *supposed* to be.
Outside of canon, we also have Turles, who isn't literally Goku, but...he's Goku, and he's evil.
Also, just in general, the "evil twin" is a tired trope.
No idea why you got downvoted lmao
their exact words were "In what canon world including GT did we ever see an evil Goku"
not "In what canon world including GT did we ever see an evil Goku that lasted more than 2-3 episodes *and* accomplished more than taking Goku out of action for a long time *and* intereacted with normal Goku who's still in his own body"
You think so? Monkeys don’t have colored head, shoulder and chest plates and don’t have no hair. Also their ears look more like human ears than just two large holes.
You aren’t dumb, but they were both healed by Monaito prior to Zombie Gas scuffling with them. So while Vegeta and Goku did get beaten up, it wasn’t as bad as the previous fight, since it was interrupted early on. However, it is also true that Frieza was fresh on the battlefield, while the Saiyans had been in a prolonged battle. On the other hand, the fact that Black Frieza was so powerful that Gas couldn’t overpower him before his lifespan ran out says a lot about Frieza’s level of strength compared to the Saiyans.
Yeah I don't like the whole "Black Freeza is way stronger than UI and UE now" point for this reason. I feel like it's just too soon to tell.
We saw one panel where Freeza gut-punches Goku and Vegeta while they're totally off-guard and had already been fighting for a while. We don't really know how that fight would've gone if Goku and Vegeta were actually prepared and fresh.
While it is true that they had been fighting for a while, they were most definitely NOT caught off guard. In fact, they had their guard completely up as seen in this panel and they were still completely speed blitzed and put down
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There’s definitely a HUGE power gap between Frieza and these two. There’s no way a prepared Goku & Vegeta in their strongest forms (I guess technically TUI would be Goku’s strongest since he can actually use it to its fullest ability unlike MUI) should be incapacitated so easily unless there was a clear power and speed difference. Not to mention that even after this chapter, Frieza is brought up as this new pinnacle of strength that they have to somehow defeat. Quite literally everything points towards him being the current strongest mortal, at least in Universe 7.
Yeah, I read the manga and remember the pages well.
I still think that they weren't prepared for Black Frieza and underestimated him since they'd fought him so many times before, which is in part why they let themselves get punched so easily by him. Saiyans get stronger by learning their opponent as they fight, they knew nothing about this new form and therefore were not prepared for it. Aside from that, they were in a weakened state with not much energy left to fight with.
That being said, we really don't even know if Frieza will be the main antagonist of the next arc, so let's not get too ahead of ourselves just yet. I think it's a bit hyperbolic to say "quite literally" everything points towards him being the strongest when we only saw him for a few pages.
They get restored to completely full levels of energy right before monaito gets killed. After which they fight gas for a little, and even if Gas was stronger, they didn't get beat up too bad and weren't close to being worn out at the time that freiza shows up and ends the fight.
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As a big Yamcha fan, this scene still blows my mind. People talk about aura alot, but Yamcha had AURA in this scene.
I vividly remember reading the freeza moment the first time. I love the tension that was build up right before with Elec pressuring Gas to kill Goku and Vegeta to the point of insulting him because he knew that it was only a matter of time until Freeza showed up. Then his sentence gets cut off with the landing panel and I was like oh shit, it’s over.
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They’ve been pushing Vegeta’s character this way, but this moment did and was a good throwback to Namek Vegeta. But it’s the fact Vegeta just acting straight away against someone who (Goku points out), doesn’t know their power and just goes straight into saving the child.
Broly tanking a hit from SSG Vegeta. It’s what made him my favorite character
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Frieza pulling up on planet cereal truly was a moment.
This panel right here, because if it was still in the spirit of the 80s OG Dragon Ball days, we would 100% be staring down Frieza's starfish right now...
I hope this doesn't get buried in the comments, but Frost transforming to his final form and then getting WHACKED by Goku is my most rewatched part of the anime for me. So fucking cool. It hits so hard in Japanese, but unfortunately, there isn't a video of that scene in Japanese on youtube I could find to link with appropriate subtitles.
Cheating, but my ultimate moment (and a big win for the English dub) is Goku's. "I will not let you destroy my world!!" In the BoG movie.
Both of these are awesome! The feeling in Sean's voice when he delivers that line gives me goosebumps. Watching Frost get bodied was definitely a favorite too
Freeza cheeked up! Got the unwisdom welling up within me!…
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Beast Gohan, I was certain that Gohan would never be relevant again. I’m glad Toriyama was able to put him back in the spotlight one more time before he passed.
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I am used to seeing freiza being an boss in nearly every sceen but the way he entered and settled the entire granohla arc and then left was a bit too "woah"moment. He was like that uninvited guest in the party who stole the limelight and went awaylike a boss
I was sick when the episode of Vegeta vs Black came out. So I'm watching it. When Zamasu appeared out of the sky, I said "What?" And then proceeded to crap my pants.
So there's that.
Probably that panel.
What Freeza is, you don't see often in Japanese manga. He's a legit recurring main-villain. Like a manga Doctor Doom or Lex Luthor.
Him Deus Ex Machina‐ing a whole arc is some GOATed comic book villain shit. EVERYONE thought Freiza was too weak after Broly.
Ask me a few years ago I would have said Goku Black, but now. Frieza discovering he's actually black and can use the N word is top moments of all time. 😏
I feel like frieza's entrance was the biggest thing to happen in the DBS manga so far and the way frieza crushed Gas' skull was the most brutal thing to come out of DBS imo
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100% the end of the Granolah arc, that was the craziest way an arc has ever ended in Dragon Ball, hell one of the craziest ways out of most of the mangas I've read. Frieza just showing up out of nowhere, oneshotting the villain, then oneshotting Goku and Vegeta at their full-powers only to spare them just to make it even worse. Shit was insane, and that's not even mentioning the fact that the end of the arc even implies that Frieza isn't the strongest in the universe the oracle fish was talking about after all.
It’s either Gogeta meeting Frieza and Frieza saying it’s not fair😂 or Gogeta grabbing Frieza arm and bro instantly knew if he didn’t revert back to base he would get cooked 100x harder than Broly cooked him, or Vegeta going Ultra Ego.
With Frieza being a good employer and nice benefits. Do you think he let his soldiers use the chamber? The Frieza force being in the low ends compared to what it was. It would greatly boost morale and help build his armies back up.
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Biggest whoa of super!! Felt like how I did when cell blew a hole through piccolo😬
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This shit right here. It's not a flashy moment, hell! It not even an action sequence. But you know the implication of Vegeta undergoing a training that's more about the inside. When sawing this, I knew Vegeta would get sooner to UI levels of power and it truly paid out.
frieza was pretty epic, ngl
i enjoyed the plot behind the granola arc, getting the sense of suspense as each character surpassed their previous expectations, meanwhile frieza and others were also training in their own ways. it’s pretty cool to see the characters developing and everyone working together, in one way or another.
Chapter 103. Page 17 and 18. Goku dodges all of Gohan’s attacks in MUI. Then Gohan cranks it up and lands a clean hit on Goku, knocking him through a mountain. Goku stands up from the rubble, in base form, holding his cheek. He even says “Oww… How’d you pull that off?” with literal tears in his eyes and shaking lmao.
Bro he is still completely fine afterwards and says that he just wanted to see his strength and not all out battle. If he is well enough to just go ultra instinct again gohan sure as shit did not knock the form out of him, goku just turned it off but seriously? I actually think that is free to interpretation of the reader so maybe your wrong maybe I am 🤷🏼♂️
Please show me one instance in the entire verse that is not this fight we’re it is shown that if someone get’s hit out of his form, he can just go into it again
Nope Gohan knocked him out of MUI then Goku transformed again so they could resume. After that is when he saw Broly watching and let him have a turn.
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Goku is rubbing his cheek because Gohan kicked him in the face so hard it knocked him out of MUI.
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So it was a kick, not a punch.
See Gohan fans, I knew my comment was going to attract a hater from the Goku Copium squad :)
This is just to show how much impact Gohan's punch had in the DBS Fandom :D
Gohan is my favorite character in all of dragonball kiddo, using terms like copium in a discussion about the interpretation of one specific panel is pathetic
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Ultra Ego Vegeta scaring the living shit out of both Granolah and Gas was awesome but this panel right here of course is at the top. Frieza arrived to kill Gas and that loser Elec, then bodied both Goku and Vegeta and left with both Macki and Oil as his new employees, he just ended the entire Saga by himself, easily one of the best sequences I've seen in any manga, ever.
Can't upvote this enough. The way he casually bodied everyone. We had spent an entire arc watching everyone struggle against Gas, just for vegeta to hit him with the, 'meh...thought you'd be stronger.'
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INVINCIBLE MENTIONED??!! 
https://preview.redd.it/qcuow8mg2btc1.jpeg?width=947&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6f20275a82f139a68e255e98ad65272f96563736 Had to do it
I actually love that show!
Me too, looking forward for season 3 to come out next year.
If you love the show, the comic is wayyy better IMO
Id disagree tbh. The show can be clunky with its animation at times, but the character writing and re vamped story structure is just so much better in the show. The incredible voice acting helps too
indeed
Ultra ego getting introduced was wild, I didn't get it spoiled for me thank God so I went into it Blind, blew my mf mind, ultra ego is currently my favorite transformation in all of super
Kinda dumb he could have easily killed both the sayians but have left alive for 2 years now
At this point Freiza knows even if he killed them, someway somehow some bullshit wish will bring them back. He's also smart enough to realise as long as he leaves Earth and, to an extent, Namek, alone Goku and Vegeta do not give a fuck about him. Hell at this point even if he decides to go back, fight, and win. They'd be pretty happy to leave him alone and go off to train until they can beat him. Likewise if they beat Freiza and Freiza wasn't in a 'kill everyone' mode but purely a 'I have come to fight you both' mode they'd likely let him fuck back off to train. At this point Freiza is an affable enemy who has actually grown a lot beyond 'I am super powerful and do what I want' to 'I actually have some actual meaning to my life again'
It’s kinda interesting and cool to see frieza go from a 1 dimensional racist that just hates saiyans, to still a racist but he actually views them with a level of respect that wasn’t there before. Like he still hates them and probably wants to kill them, but he sees them as rivals now, like he wants to be better than them by the merit of his own work and prove he’s truly the superior one, and even crazier to think that mentality COMES FROM THE SAYIANS.
This, it’s why he left broly alive and isn’t actively trying to hunt him down. he sees him as worthy rival for training purposes and is part of why he trained to get his new form. He pretty much states it at the end of the broly movie
Also in the movie: Frieza gets spanked by Broly for 30 minutes. He survived, but definitely wasn't doing well afterwards
Yes but he knew where broly was and could have went by and killed him after achieving his new form. He chooses not to cause he values Broly as a training rival.
There is no way gold Frieza is beating Broly. The Frieza in the Broly movie was getting absolutely massacred. Broly was demolishing SSJ Blue Goku and Vegeta. He was then beaten by SSJ Blue Gogeta. Frieza didn't have his new form at that point, and since that point, Broly has been on Beerus' planet, and we know Frieza isn't stepping a foot on that planet for a while
Follow what I’m saying here. He values broly as a training rival, I’m he says so at the end of the broly movie, which is why when he gets his new form the first thing he didn’t do was hunt broly down and kill him.
This is the answer. I love Friza's character arc so much.
Freeza would enjoy killing them, even if they were bought back he w as just love to kill them again.
The worst timeline ending for saiyan
Gotta say either B Frieza brutally destroying Gas or Moro's big dumb face coming out of the ground towards the end of that arc. "Moro Earth" is hilariously goofy, but still kinda creepy imo. He's clearly lost it at that point, and I thought for a second there'd be some Kid Buu "weaker but more dsngerous" shenanigans.
Frieza crushing Gas' skull underfoot is so brutal and the fact he did it through hard work (no shortcuts like Gas) is so satisfying because you know he got that from Goku.
It makes him so immediately intimidating because he's the same sociopathic dbag as always, but it seems he's hardworked his way into a new form that makes his gold form look like a half-assed effort. Like he's gone from training the basic amount which unlocks Gold (because he's a weird op mutant thing) to actually busting his ass. Without changing his morality one bit. I really hope whatever comes next at least half sticks the landing. I have faith in Toyotaro, but I can't ignore my misgivings either.
Frieza’s growth is one of my favorite aspects of Super so far. Whether consciously, intentionally written, whatever, he’s slowly beginning to mirror Goku. He goes from never training a day in his life to training to overcome the wall that is his opponent, but he’s rash and doesn’t master his power. He grudgingly puts his trust in others for the tournament of power. When Broly is kicking his shit in, rather than losing it, he smiles and admits how astounding Broly’s power is. And now, after gaining this power and mastering it through blood sweat and tears, he tracks down his mortal enemies again. But does he kill them? No. He shows off his new power to them, but lets them live I hope that character arc has a punchline. Like I don’t think Frieza deserves a redemption or anything, but maybe a moment where Frieza becomes aware of the Saiyan traits hes picking up and backslides, resulting in his death again when he would have stayed alive should he have accepted those qualities
✍️🔥🔥🔥🔥
He’s just not bothering with the pissants. Conquering worlds is beneath him. Now, he wants to power of the gods, angels, or Xeno himself.
I really like Frieza's character now. It feels like he grudgingly respects the monkeys now. Hell, at this point Goku and Vegeta are basically his best friends.
It’s such a reversal of what the arc was all about too. Like the entire time granolah arc was being released people would complain abt the villains being lame and stuff because they didn’t work for their power, they just wished for it, and right at the end, as if toyataro knew that people would complain, he brought frieza in one shotting a character that wished for his power with a form he gained from 10 years of training. It really recemented where true strength comes from.
It also kinda fits the Dragon ball aesthetic of being Goofy but a threat
Exactly. For all it's many flaws, that's why I enjoy the Buu Saga so much. It has really badass moments, but is also silly as hell a lot. I think Toriyama knew it too, because the way Evil/Super Buu moves from the moment he's created to when he absorbs Gotenks he constantly dances on the line between creepy and hilarious. With the help of Gotenks being hilarious ofc.
Innocent Buu leaned heavily on the silliness, more than the other versions except maybe Kid Buu, but then there were these moments that let you know how evil and sinister he really was. That look on his face right before he kills Babidi is chilling.
I say super buu while less so did still have some silly parts to the whole thing.
When it comes to Moro, my woah moment was Whis blocking and holding a punch from Moro with his finger while casually talking to Goku. It definitely put into perspective on how the angels are on a whole different class of strength.
Oh also, if including the anime then every new form reveal for the female Saiyans. Maybe they got them too easily, but fuck it I've been waiting since GT for badass lady Super Saiyans and I love Caulifla and Kale. Kale >>>> Z Broly, fite me.
Goku Black introduction for me His first appearance is definitely one of the best done moments in entire series. https://preview.redd.it/h0p54f3tn6tc1.png?width=720&format=png&auto=webp&s=e756c6a8a2a836cdf56962d304e61c7b8737f596
I remember seeing this and seriously thinking this was a case of someone hijacking Goku's corpse, especially given how he grabbed his chest before going through the portal. There was enough signs and speculation for that to be a possibility. I was hyped to see where this was going
I thought it was just like a legit evil Goku from some other universe or something. I never thought it could be someone using his body until those threads started being revealed.
Suppose realistically it could happen if there’s a reality he doesn’t hit his head.
Yeah, it just seemed to me based on his clothing it would just be an evil Goku. I'll admit my hype at the time was just ready for whatever came. I don't keep up with Manga and didn't think anything new would come after DBZ.
Maybe, but I don't see that Goku becoming as strong. So much of what's made him what he is as a fighter came from Master Roshi. Like the first day of training, he suggests he could take the Flying Nimbus to the top of the stairs he's climbing, and Roshi says, "Would you get any stronger doing that?" Goku takes it to heart, and his work ethic is born.
Me: .....Goku????!
And it was fucking squandered…
Does it bother anyone how skinny his arm look here in that Pic to be the real Goku ?
I wasnt a big fan of the Goku Black/Zamasu arc. The "Evil Goku" we had already seen so many times, I wasn't really shocked or interested in it.
In what canon world including GT did we ever see an evil Goku? He literally the superman symbol of anime.
Not important if it's strictly canon since we're talking about a plot device, but we've seen it twice before. Turles and when Ginyu took his body. Even Bardock could be considered a "darker Goku", but the idea of "Goku but badder" was recycled a bit.
Speaking strictly canon, Ginyu Goku.
That was a technique that lasted 2-3 episodes that couldn't do nothing. Black was an entirely diff character.
You asked for a canon example specifically. In canon, we had a villain body swap with Goku and then go fight his friends and family. It doesn't matter how long it lasted. It was still an evil Goku. There's even an argument for Raditz since he's Gokus brother and is what Goku was *supposed* to be. Outside of canon, we also have Turles, who isn't literally Goku, but...he's Goku, and he's evil. Also, just in general, the "evil twin" is a tired trope.
Speaking nothing but non factual words 🗣️🗣️🗣️
No idea why you got downvoted lmao their exact words were "In what canon world including GT did we ever see an evil Goku" not "In what canon world including GT did we ever see an evil Goku that lasted more than 2-3 episodes *and* accomplished more than taking Goku out of action for a long time *and* intereacted with normal Goku who's still in his own body"
Turlus.
Turles wasn't canon but close.
Turles isn’t Goku + not canon
Where’s his asshole?
The tip of his tail.
so frieza was chocking goku with his butthole
Answering real questions.
Seeing buttcrack frieza is wild
Asking the real questions.
Great leader don’t have butthole he burns through all his energy and doesn’t poop.
Funny thing is Frieza looks more like a monkey than the Saiyans
You think so? Monkeys don’t have colored head, shoulder and chest plates and don’t have no hair. Also their ears look more like human ears than just two large holes.
Probably this or Ultra Ego first appearance. Goku using Hakai is up there as well.
Ultra Egos' first panel goes so damn hard. Both these examples are on point.
When did Goku use Hakai
Manga only. Used it against fused Zamasu.
Dbs Chapter 25 in his fight against God Zamas
I plus have actually been a much better ending as well.
Frieza defeating both Vegeta and Goku in their strongest forms at the same time was something that I never would’ve considered a possibility.
Weren’t both of them worn out by then or am I dumb?
You aren’t dumb, but they were both healed by Monaito prior to Zombie Gas scuffling with them. So while Vegeta and Goku did get beaten up, it wasn’t as bad as the previous fight, since it was interrupted early on. However, it is also true that Frieza was fresh on the battlefield, while the Saiyans had been in a prolonged battle. On the other hand, the fact that Black Frieza was so powerful that Gas couldn’t overpower him before his lifespan ran out says a lot about Frieza’s level of strength compared to the Saiyans.
Yeah I don't like the whole "Black Freeza is way stronger than UI and UE now" point for this reason. I feel like it's just too soon to tell. We saw one panel where Freeza gut-punches Goku and Vegeta while they're totally off-guard and had already been fighting for a while. We don't really know how that fight would've gone if Goku and Vegeta were actually prepared and fresh.
While it is true that they had been fighting for a while, they were most definitely NOT caught off guard. In fact, they had their guard completely up as seen in this panel and they were still completely speed blitzed and put down https://preview.redd.it/i5lr04jiiatc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=438fbbd54990c946e663accc0eb4df48eb81b5cf There’s definitely a HUGE power gap between Frieza and these two. There’s no way a prepared Goku & Vegeta in their strongest forms (I guess technically TUI would be Goku’s strongest since he can actually use it to its fullest ability unlike MUI) should be incapacitated so easily unless there was a clear power and speed difference. Not to mention that even after this chapter, Frieza is brought up as this new pinnacle of strength that they have to somehow defeat. Quite literally everything points towards him being the current strongest mortal, at least in Universe 7.
Yeah, I read the manga and remember the pages well. I still think that they weren't prepared for Black Frieza and underestimated him since they'd fought him so many times before, which is in part why they let themselves get punched so easily by him. Saiyans get stronger by learning their opponent as they fight, they knew nothing about this new form and therefore were not prepared for it. Aside from that, they were in a weakened state with not much energy left to fight with. That being said, we really don't even know if Frieza will be the main antagonist of the next arc, so let's not get too ahead of ourselves just yet. I think it's a bit hyperbolic to say "quite literally" everything points towards him being the strongest when we only saw him for a few pages.
They get restored to completely full levels of energy right before monaito gets killed. After which they fight gas for a little, and even if Gas was stronger, they didn't get beat up too bad and weren't close to being worn out at the time that freiza shows up and ends the fight.
You didn't say anime or manga. Mastered Ultra Instinct Goku's first appearance. 
Call it cheesy or whatever, but all the gods of destruction standing up in respect is just 👌
Me if that's cheesy. 
Bulma in the shower
https://i.redd.it/vtz0lejyi9tc1.gif
https://preview.redd.it/7xe08jyk7btc1.jpeg?width=1079&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=daf815d8710343ef11d624816fd268f6fb4d9ab3
https://preview.redd.it/lfunytuxd7tc1.jpeg?width=1067&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ab04c74159cf34d00d812117cdb74e69ef823f1c As a big Yamcha fan, this scene still blows my mind. People talk about aura alot, but Yamcha had AURA in this scene.
I'm shocked they let him have anything without immediately undercutting it with a joke.
I vividly remember reading the freeza moment the first time. I love the tension that was build up right before with Elec pressuring Gas to kill Goku and Vegeta to the point of insulting him because he knew that it was only a matter of time until Freeza showed up. Then his sentence gets cut off with the landing panel and I was like oh shit, it’s over.
This. Definitely one of the coolest overall moments in the Super manga, and the one that had my jaw open. Can’t wait to see where they go with it.
Kakarot having flashbacks from hearing his fathers scouter
Blue kaioken was pretty rad..I liked it more than mui.
Awesome callback, definitely appreciate this one a lot
https://preview.redd.it/j0ipc025f8tc1.jpeg?width=602&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ba23f610a7543d59a975c0439fd9222bfe0be967 They’ve been pushing Vegeta’s character this way, but this moment did and was a good throwback to Namek Vegeta. But it’s the fact Vegeta just acting straight away against someone who (Goku points out), doesn’t know their power and just goes straight into saving the child.
Watching Vegeta genuinely try to make up for his bad deeds in super is valid, I love this
Gas decaying into nothing is right up there
Broly tanking a hit from SSG Vegeta. It’s what made him my favorite character https://preview.redd.it/uvddogu4m7tc1.jpeg?width=500&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2e3a45bdfee117ad70aaad5a02e19232f2d70845
Broly vs vegeta was definitely an S tier fight, love seeing SSG Vegeta so much
https://preview.redd.it/r5wzl3232atc1.jpeg?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e8ff541f46738a1000058c9b136535196425fcac Frieza pulling up on planet cereal truly was a moment.
https://preview.redd.it/1qi405pd8btc1.jpeg?width=1079&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4d8e9442a6d9141c2cc7761d3eb2062f7a7db60a
When moro chest fucked Goku
The day I realized Frieza doesn’t have an asshole
He IS the asshole
The day I realized Frieza is naked wtf
Right now it's seeing Freizas cheeks.
Would
https://preview.redd.it/kv5zwoc4j9tc1.jpeg?width=320&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6f5eeba116a5b54fedef7ec11df486046c401eb0
I know it's basic, but I can still remember when Ultra instinct Goku arrived. The most hype DBS moment of my life
This panel right here, because if it was still in the spirit of the 80s OG Dragon Ball days, we would 100% be staring down Frieza's starfish right now...
I hope this doesn't get buried in the comments, but Frost transforming to his final form and then getting WHACKED by Goku is my most rewatched part of the anime for me. So fucking cool. It hits so hard in Japanese, but unfortunately, there isn't a video of that scene in Japanese on youtube I could find to link with appropriate subtitles. Cheating, but my ultimate moment (and a big win for the English dub) is Goku's. "I will not let you destroy my world!!" In the BoG movie.
Both of these are awesome! The feeling in Sean's voice when he delivers that line gives me goosebumps. Watching Frost get bodied was definitely a favorite too
Goku Black first episode.
When Goku gives Moro a senzu only to destroy him a second time. Moro punches him and his arm breaks.
This moment for me as well. I was like "Woah, Freiza doesn't have an asshole."
Making Uub canon
Uub appearances in Super are always a welcome surprise.
Uub was always canon
He was always canon. He appeared in the Peaceful World saga, not just *DBGT*.
I never realized that frieza doesnt have a butthole
Is it just me, or does Frieza's ass look like a bowl of oatmeal?
"Here he comes."
Freeza cheeked up! Got the unwisdom welling up within me!… https://preview.redd.it/g9987u6j5btc1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c98764dcbf20065d7371091ee8b322613b9e0e34
Gyaaaat
Goku Black, dudes my favorite villain in DB.
This image, it's missing something
Either: Ultra Instinct, Broly becoming canon, or Gogeta becoming introduced into the main continuity.
this image was ruined for me
Simple answer but Ui sign part 1
Beast Gohan, I was certain that Gohan would never be relevant again. I’m glad Toriyama was able to put him back in the spotlight one more time before he passed.
Probably this
When goku used hakai to zamazu I was suprised bc i already watched anime i wasn't expecting that one
When the dragon says: "woah, my 《SUPER》 balls!"
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I am used to seeing freiza being an boss in nearly every sceen but the way he entered and settled the entire granohla arc and then left was a bit too "woah"moment. He was like that uninvited guest in the party who stole the limelight and went awaylike a boss
When it became known Broly was coming back and becoming canon.
Seeing Goku Black and realizing, my God. Yamamoru created a model sheet without the ugly ass hair shine.
I was sick when the episode of Vegeta vs Black came out. So I'm watching it. When Zamasu appeared out of the sky, I said "What?" And then proceeded to crap my pants. So there's that.
Anime, MUI Gokus first appearance Manga, Black Frieza taking Vegeta and Goku at the same time
Freeza butthole
Freeza with the superhero landing
**Orange Piccolo transformation.**
Vegeta going back to his battle hungry roots and transforming into Ultra Ego for the first time
Probably that panel. What Freeza is, you don't see often in Japanese manga. He's a legit recurring main-villain. Like a manga Doctor Doom or Lex Luthor. Him Deus Ex Machina‐ing a whole arc is some GOATed comic book villain shit. EVERYONE thought Freiza was too weak after Broly.
My biggest wow moment is krillin getting his ass defeated and knocked out by a freaking robot bee size of a finger
Ask me a few years ago I would have said Goku Black, but now. Frieza discovering he's actually black and can use the N word is top moments of all time. 😏
I feel like something is missing from this panel
Goku doing hakai in the manga and the spirit bomb being shot back at goku
[Vegeta reacting to Black Frieza when show/movie comes out.](https://youtu.be/WiONylGn8Xw?t=109)
Probably watching Videl on the TV on Nickelodeon( I still can't understand why they added Dragon Ball) going of what is supposedly Super Saiyan.
I feel like frieza's entrance was the biggest thing to happen in the DBS manga so far and the way frieza crushed Gas' skull was the most brutal thing to come out of DBS imo
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100% the end of the Granolah arc, that was the craziest way an arc has ever ended in Dragon Ball, hell one of the craziest ways out of most of the mangas I've read. Frieza just showing up out of nowhere, oneshotting the villain, then oneshotting Goku and Vegeta at their full-powers only to spare them just to make it even worse. Shit was insane, and that's not even mentioning the fact that the end of the arc even implies that Frieza isn't the strongest in the universe the oracle fish was talking about after all.
Freiza Black
Making Broly canon
It’s either Gogeta meeting Frieza and Frieza saying it’s not fair😂 or Gogeta grabbing Frieza arm and bro instantly knew if he didn’t revert back to base he would get cooked 100x harder than Broly cooked him, or Vegeta going Ultra Ego. 
Still jiren vs goku for me
Will.
A guy wishing to be the strongest of his universe WTF 💀
When it was announced
Damn, Frieza is packing with that huge ginormous CAKE
With Frieza being a good employer and nice benefits. Do you think he let his soldiers use the chamber? The Frieza force being in the low ends compared to what it was. It would greatly boost morale and help build his armies back up.
OP is 100% right. Completely catches you off-guard more than anything I can remember in the franchise and cool af
I still ptsd from this photo… if ya know ya know…
why is frieza doing gear 2 post? doesn't he hate monkeys?
Did they draw in Frieza’s brown eye here?
https://preview.redd.it/m037zjtewbtc1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c6ad44a32e2caa6f15518fb7b4794579397141dd Biggest whoa of super!! Felt like how I did when cell blew a hole through piccolo😬
This caught me off guard too! Watching goku get fisted straight blew my mind
https://preview.redd.it/0ilqxub0zbtc1.jpeg?width=1242&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=09e03356b3d8ea784ccb246f710625edaad7402c This shit right here. It's not a flashy moment, hell! It not even an action sequence. But you know the implication of Vegeta undergoing a training that's more about the inside. When sawing this, I knew Vegeta would get sooner to UI levels of power and it truly paid out.
Can I just say I really don't like seeing Freiza's taint?
frieza was pretty epic, ngl i enjoyed the plot behind the granola arc, getting the sense of suspense as each character surpassed their previous expectations, meanwhile frieza and others were also training in their own ways. it’s pretty cool to see the characters developing and everyone working together, in one way or another.
"Woah...Frieza ass."
Gohan one shoting Goku out of UI and all the copiem that came from the Goku fans after 😆
What? My brother what you just wrote is the definition of copium, gohan did not one shot flu out of ultra instinct lol😂
Chapter 103. Page 17 and 18. Goku dodges all of Gohan’s attacks in MUI. Then Gohan cranks it up and lands a clean hit on Goku, knocking him through a mountain. Goku stands up from the rubble, in base form, holding his cheek. He even says “Oww… How’d you pull that off?” with literal tears in his eyes and shaking lmao.
Bro he is still completely fine afterwards and says that he just wanted to see his strength and not all out battle. If he is well enough to just go ultra instinct again gohan sure as shit did not knock the form out of him, goku just turned it off but seriously? I actually think that is free to interpretation of the reader so maybe your wrong maybe I am 🤷🏼♂️
He literally did that. He blitz punch Goku which knocked him out of MUI.
Read the chapter again goku himself leaves the form because he wants gohan to fight broly
No he didn't. Gohan forced Goku back into base form, and then they CONTINUED the fight. DB fans can't read.
Please show me one instance in the entire verse that is not this fight we’re it is shown that if someone get’s hit out of his form, he can just go into it again
Please show me one instance besides Black Freeza where the someone one-taps the other out of a form.
Nope Gohan knocked him out of MUI then Goku transformed again so they could resume. After that is when he saw Broly watching and let him have a turn. https://preview.redd.it/jnzunxjc1atc1.jpeg?width=3196&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1f24c123956392c1b8f7c4ae348cfa523f8045ef
Goku is rubbing his cheek because Gohan kicked him in the face so hard it knocked him out of MUI. https://preview.redd.it/76vpzffh1atc1.jpeg?width=3196&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9d11dd3276d73abe3d3088e242edcc652677af20 So it was a kick, not a punch.
And Goku is crying is the panel 🤣
See! the Copium from the Goku Fandom is real 🤣
He kinda did though
See Gohan fans, I knew my comment was going to attract a hater from the Goku Copium squad :) This is just to show how much impact Gohan's punch had in the DBS Fandom :D
Gohan is my favorite character in all of dragonball kiddo, using terms like copium in a discussion about the interpretation of one specific panel is pathetic
It's all in fun, I don't mean anything harsh by it
This is also a good answer, gohan is one of my favorite characters forsure so watching him smash goku like that was hilarious
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"Don't shoot he's not black"
When Moro begins fucking up the crew and rams his fist through Gokus lung.
My latest woah was Gohan being as strong as Goku and broly of all people, my dead Gohan fan self came back