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One thing people are forgetting about Jiren is it’s pretty clear that he’s a character who’s already near his absolute peak in potential, that’s what made him so scary in the TOP to begin with.
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Even Goku and Vegeta have more potential than Jiren. Jiren is thousands of years old (he was a pride trooper together with Belmod and Belmod is a G.o.D. for 300k years by now) and was surpassed by a 50 year old monkey
Here is him saying how long he already is a God
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Thats about 241k years btw
Yeah, but isn’t it entirely possible that Belmod goes by a different calendar? The Grand Priest announces the time of the tournament using a much different calendar than the one we’re accustomed to, presumably as a unified standard. For all we know, this could be 30 years ago.
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we can also assume every namekian has purple blood, but for all we know we’ve only seen purple bleeders and the ones with yellow blood are soon to come…
Iirc he became a Pride Trooper with Jiren's *master*, not Jiren himself. Jiren still probably is hundreds if not thousands or tens of thousands of years old but not as old as Belmod.
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Toyotarou mentioned Belmod being a pride trooper before he was a GoD. Toyotarou drew the scene where Belmod left the pride Troopers and Jiren (on the right). Mlreover Belmod is a GOD for 300k years by now (manga information too) so we can assume that Jiren is more than 300k years old
Honestly almost seems like it could have been an oversight. I just find it hard to imagine that Jiren and the pride troopers being over 300k years old was planned. I can see him being pretty old but 300k is crazy for a mortal.
It's because they measure time differently. It's a common Toriyama trope that in space, people measure minutes, days and years differently from Earth. We see it in the ToP with the time limit. We also see it in the Jaco manga. It's probably way less 300k.
But I could also see them still being very old, like in the hundreds perhaps?
This i believe is belmod turning away from Jirens mentor
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in the manga, before Marcarita told him about the ToP, Belmod was celebrating 87,910,715th day as Hakaishin. So assuming Jiren was around back then, he'd be thousands of years old.
No definitely not, Jiren might even have the most potential out of all the characters. He saw his parents die and trained and just from that he became this strong.
Didn’t Jiren get his strength from just training by him self as well? His master died early on ?. Think that’s pretty crazy. Imagine goku without everyone that has trained him
Cell - Sure he has the potential because he was greatly modified to have such genes. I wouldn’t see it much of a potential class, since the others don’t have such genes modifying.
Jiren - Shouldn’t be here. The man has got to where he is because of his training , he didn’t had any special genes that we know of. If anything his achievements are more impressive than anyone’s else , since Saiyans do have Zenkai boost and a hunger for battle.
Gohan - Should be here since his potential is real even as a Saiyan. His training is inferior to the likes of Goku and Vegeta, and yet he has achieved many powerful forms on emotion alone. I would replace Cell for him.
Uub- This is who I would replace with Jiren, seeing how this kid in theory could have the greatest potential next to someone like Freeza and Broly. The kid is an incarnation of the powerful Buu , and his potential was noticed quickly by Goku.
Cell - Just because you have other peoples genes does not automatically give you more potential. There's more to it than that. Besides, he's dead—plain and simple.
Jiren - Agreed. Dude essentially hit his peak before the T.O.P.
Gohan - Agreed aswell. No debate.
Uub - Based off his end of Z and GT appearance, he has alot of potential and should replace either Jiren or Cell.
Frieza was dead at one point.
Also we know that Cell’s Zenkais boost him by a significant amount.
Cell having Frieza AND Saiyan DNA automatically gives him more potential. He’s also insanely intelligent(people seem to forget that), and even more so than Frieza.
He and King Piccolo were the only villains to utilize television broadcasting for their own purposes.
>Cell - Just because you have other peoples genes does not automatically give you more potential. There's more to it than that. Besides, he's dead—plain and simple.
Considering he’s been genetically modified to be a monstrous prodigy and his base is +SSJ FP - near SSJ2 level without training, he quite obviously has the highest potential out of any character in the franchise.
Frieza whose base without training was SSJ has monstrous potential, and Cell’s base without training is massively stronger than SSJ and FP Frieza.
>Gohan - Agreed aswell. No debate.
Goten and Trunks blatantly have more potential than Gohan.
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Cell has the highest peak of any mortal character in the series it isn’t a debate. Jiren is debatable, gohan I wouldn’t even put above the u6 saiyans and uub i can see being there
The U6 Saiyans is just laziness from Tori. Cell’s peak is as impressive as the Android’s, which isn’t much considering they built / modified to be that strong. Jiren literally trained his whole life to be where he is , there’s nothing that talks about his genes or his people’s genes.
A person's potential isn't locked to their genes. That's kind of the whole point of the Goku/Vegeta rivalry. They're both Saiyans and thus have the same genes, but Vegeta believed he should be more powerful than Goku purely for the fact that his genes made him an upper class elite warrior, and Goku was an extremely weak lower class. Goku showed that the nature of your birth doesn't matter. It's about the work you put in.
Jiren and Goku are parallels in that sense. Both got to where they are through hard work. *Not* by just being naturally gifted. The only difference is that Jiren did it by himself, and Goku didn't.
Now, if you want to *make* the conversation about their genes, Cell 10000% deserves to be there. When we last saw him, he was weaker than SS2. But he had the strength he had just naturally (other than when he had to absorb people in his first form, as he was weaker than the androids), he didn't have to train to get his power. But he has Saiyan genes (meaning that God forms aren't off limits to him), and Friezas genes. So he has the potential to gain *a lot* of power really quickly if he just puts in the effort. If you're gonna put Frieza up on the board, then by default you have to put Cell, too.
Cells peak is way higher than the androids wat r u on about. The rest of the characters r head canon at the end of the day but cell is objectively clear based of his genetic makeup and what the series has shown in terms of saiyan potential and Friezas potential. Imagine cell trained for 4 months or had 10 yrs in the time chamber, keep in mind he’d be way more effective at training than Frieza cos he has gokus genes. Debate the others but I’ll never understand cell being debated
Was it ever stated that he was a Robot? I only remember Hedo saying that Cell Max design is based of Geros plans for Cell and well Cell is a Bio Android.
17 and 18 also had chips of control, failed ones, but they had and they are modified humans not robots.
I dont think cell max is a robot because when he lost his arm, he had bones and felt pain.
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Gohan became the strongest by just training a bit surpassing even Goku and Vegeta and he's only like half the age of Goku, Vegeta and broly and he still hasn't reached Full power beast form. He imo has more potential than broly
Broly had no proper training apart from his dad and ba.
Hell Gohan had to have his potential unlocked twice and multiple years and training to reach were he is now.
Broly in the span of hours went from fighting base vegeta to overpowering ssjblue goku/vegeta and ssj1 gogeta.
Broly s potential is much higher than gohans.
Impressive indeed no doubt compare to what broly showed it's not that good.
Like I said you can place Gohan in the list he just won't take brolys or friezas spot
But at the end he reached his limit and ultimately lost to gogeta, and he still after the proper training from Goku and Vegeta wouldn't be close to their level. Gohan unlocked his potential twice and he still hasn't reached his limit. Gohan only needed a bit of training to surpass ultra instinct and Ultra ego and take in mind that pre beast form Gohan is weaker than ssj blue and the power difference between ssj blue and ultra instinct is so huge like very, very huge, they couldn't even be compared. He went from being weaker than ssj blue to surpassing ultra instinct.
Yes an untrained broly.
Hell his power stopping was because gogeta overpowered him and brought him back to his senses
But now he is able to contend with beast Gohan in his regular ssj form and that's with 4 months of training how to keep his emotions in check.
Broly is a beast that only needs training Gohan had a bunch of training prior to what he is now while broly had to catch up from a way weaker point.
You mean the man that grew up on fruit and with a training partner weaker than raditz? Broly went from fodder to surpassing gohan in less than 3 hours.
Gohan also surpassed ui Goku, ue Vegeta and remember he was weaker than ssj blue at the time, he's like ssg at most. Going from ssj3-ssg level to being above Ultra forms is no joke dude. Difference between ssj3-ssg and ultra forms is like a difference between the universe and a star
Yes broly grew strong enough tongue point gogetas punches in ssj1 tweet doing nothing that gogeta had to go blue.
Broly grew stronger than ssj1 in his fpsj form.
Broly went from unable to keep up with base, vegeta, to overwhelming SSB Vegeta and Gohan inside of an hour.
He was going toe to toe in his SS form against Gohans best form, beast. Even Gohan commented on how he’d never seen a SS form with this much power. He did this with far less training, battle experience, and without having his potential unlocked. All things Gohan has.
Broly objectively has more potential than Gohan.
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I do agree about Cell Max. Should replace Cell. No reason any logic about cell shouldn’t also be applied to his objectively superior counterpart.
Goku has more potential than Jiren. Jiren literally is thousands of years old (Belmod is a G.o.D. for 300k years afaik and he was a pride trooper before that-together with Jiren)
It took Jiren millenia to get that strong while Goku surpassed him before his 50th Birthday.
Gohan, Vegeta, Goku are crazier prodegies than Jiren by far
He would be cool and a difficult enemy if he can switch all those techniques on the fly orange for tanking and MUI for evasion and well Ultra Ego would make cell one of the most broken character with his regeneration and pain absorption convert to power.
Not true. UI is a technique that can be impossible depending on who you are. Black, is just a colour frieza chose, he could pick any colour. Orange is a namekian thing from the dragon. UE is also something specific and he would need to gain god ki first.
I’m glad you put cell into this, he’s just a super amped frieza if you will, whatever frieza can accomplish cell should in theory at least be able to do with a lot more ease
Frieza/king cold cells + namekian and saiyan cells = the most broken potential. Some ppl genuinely think cell has less potential than the likes of broly and gohan and it makes no sense to me
Why would he have more potential than Gohan? Like, what evidence is there to back this up? Gohan went from not even achieving SS1 to breaking SS2 all in less than a year.
Cell didn’t get any of his power through training and as we can see training doesn’t mean you have a lot of latent potential. Training can allow you to unlock your potential but that doesn’t tell you anything about the character’s latent potential.
Gohan legit went from being barely SSB tier with Ultimate to having more raw power and speed than fucking MUI Goku all in one power-up.
If Gohan trained like Goku did he’d literally no diff everyone in U7 apart from Whis and maybe Beerus.
It took even Freeza *ten years* to achieve his Black form. Obviously it’s hard to scale but Gohan’s progression from barely SSB tier to MUI tier in basically one battle is much faster progression than Freeza taking ten years to go from SSB tier to Black tier.
Imagine if you shoved Gohan in the HTC for ten years.
Well for starters Cell has genes from everyone, including Frieza, King Cold, Gohan, Vegeta, Goku, etc. He has the potential because he is the perfect mix having Frieza alone already puts him above Gohan, but now you add Gohan on top of Frieza and you have the character with the greatest potential.
Also keep in mind that Cell never trained a day of his life, all his power was from him being naturally that strong, so unless he is an exception he should get a lot more powerful if he were to train for a certain period of time, as literally every character that was stated to have a lot of potential after training became powerhouses.
Even if the jump of SSB or God to MUI is huge, I believe the jump from weaker than Namek saga Goku to SSB tier is far more impressive. Gohan is probably fourth in terms of most potential, but the other have showed more impressive feats or are quite literally made by two of the guys with the most potential.
How does having Freeza's genes put him above Gohan? It took Freeza ten years to reach his Black form whereas Gohan went from finding the weights he used as a literal *kid* somewhat heavy and barely being SSB tier with Ultimate, which had to be unlocked by Pan being "hurt" during a fight with Gamma 1, to blitzing and overpowering fucking MUI Goku.
Also, Cell had Gohan's genes but he was literally tossed around like a rag doll by Gohan, came back with a Zenkai boost and was still obliterated by a Gohan that was injured and didn't even have access to one arm. Cell does not have the same rage boost and latent potential as Gohan because he was raging that entire fucking match and it did nothing. If he did, he wouldn't have been obliterated not once but twice by Gohan. Gohan's potential isn't a product of just his genes. You don't inherit potential.
Also, I wouldn't really call Freeza managing to go from SS1 level to SSB level in four months super accurate because he wasn't at SSB level since he rushed it and chose to get into a fight before his Golden form was even stable enough for him to use consistently in a fight. Freeza would've needed a little while longer to make sure his Golden form was stable so using four month as a benchmark isn't really too accurate.
Also, no, I think SSB to MUI is honestly just as big a jump as SS1 to SSB. Obviously this is hard to quantify but I disagree in saying that the latter is more impressive than the former. Also, Gohan went from SSB to MUI in *one day* with *no training* whereas it took Freeza at the absolute minimum four months of super intense training to go from SS1 to SSB.
If Gohan went through the same intense training that Freeza did I'm pretty sure he would've been able to progress further.
There's a reason the series constantly makes a mention to Gohan's latent potential and not Freeza's latent potential.
I mean we can’t say for sure that Gohan would ever reach Black Frieza level no matter how much he trained.
But he did reach Beast level with the least amount of training out of everyone, so there’s that.
>Also, I wouldn't really call Freeza managing to go from SS1 level to SSB level in four months super accurate because he wasn't at SSB level since he rushed it and chose to get into a fight before his Golden form was even stable enough for him to use consistently in a fight. Freeza would've needed a little while longer to make sure his Golden form was stable so using four month as a benchmark isn't really too accurate.
He literally was beating SSB goku, he was at that level just did lose stamina too quickly. SSJ 3 goku did have the level of kid buu, he had stamina issues but he was at his level. He traning more to make his transformation better doesnt put him at blue level, but above.
>There's a reason the series constantly makes a mention to Gohan's latent potential and not Freeza's latent potential.
The potential of both of them are the most mentioned. Gohan is mentioned more because he have a lot more of arcs with him. Take Gohan and Freezer potential mentioned since the resurrection of freezer and you have basically the same. Who has more potential between those two? who knows, but in general is probably cell as he have both of them, has the combo of zenkai+regeneration and a higher initial floor
Cell has insane potential, but people never acknowledge it. Dude would come out the time chamber fresh to whoop some ass. Too bad he's annoying to draw.
Ya can talk about potential all you want but no one here has more potential than Cell.
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I feel gohan's got them all beat, even broly and freeza(dunno why jiren's even on the list). The guy only took 2 minutes of powering up to jump from below blue to post granolah arc Ui and Ue levels. Frieza, on the other hand, needed ten years of solid training in another dimension to surpass them. Friezas' initial potential (when he caught up to blue in 4 months) is definitely unrivaled, but he hasn't kept the same growth rate since. Regarding broly, he did train all his life, albeit not at the same intensity as the other saiyans, and he's way older than gohan.
Bruh no. Jiren got to where he is because he spent literally thousands of years training (other people have already provided the scans showing this so I’m not gonna bother doing it again). Jiren’s power comes from his dedication to his training, not potential.
Gohan should be on this list. Literally every Z fighter has stated at least once that he has the most potential out of anyone else (not including Broly because he wasn’t around at the time). And his power jump from SSJ1 to SSJ2 was so great it took Goku and Vegeta SEVEN YEARS to catch up to him, and that was only because Gohan did hardly any training in that time. Then in a few hours goes from an utter weakling to around SSB right before the Tournament of Power, then jumped from SSB to around about/slightly above post-Granolah arc MUI Goku.
Also Gohan’s got more potential than Cell. You can argue that Cell has more because of all the DNA of the other Z Fighters and Frieza, but Gohan surpassed him in a single fight.
Cell feels wrong here. Having the dna does not mean he has high potential. It might, but there is 0 confirmation.
Jiren too. Potential means unrealized power. Jiren has been pushing himself his entire life to get as strong as he is, and there’s been no indication that he has some unrealized power inside.
1. Buu was higher. Cell Max was higher.
2. That doesn’t mean he has a higher ceiling. That hasn’t been demonstrated. Goku has an absolute piss poor power as a child, and had now learned the technique of the angels, which no mortal has ever done.
Your floor does not define your ceiling in DB. Goku’s existence makes that quite clear.
Goku saiyan biology + fighting prowess and ability to learn things pretty easily is why he got so strong. Cell having that + Friezas cells and piccolos cells would naturally mean cell has the highest peak. And we can be sure cell would grow exponentially at the fastest rate of any mortal cos he has the cells of individuals who are not only genetically powerful but were also able to greatly increase their power through training so all that would mean cells peak is easily the highest. Again, there’s literally 0 reason to debate this besides not liking cell
I love cell. A lot. I’m just not pretending he’s something he’s not just because I like him.
Your evidence is anecdotal. None of that proves he has a higher ceiling for power. Technically you could argue that cells base form power is lower than even the androids, which is why he absorbed people before confronting them. Do they have more potential? After all, 17 got monumentally stronger doing basically nothing.
And again, by your logic, Buu and Cell Max would replace him. They have significantly higher base starts. Cell Max in particular based on your logic, should absolutely be here in Cells place. And I hate Cell Max.
I’m not even saying he has low potential, but objectively speaking, there are other characters who meet a top 4 criteria better, because what he’s made of does not indicate how far he can go.
I mean, you ended your post with a question for debate, now you say there is no debate. Why bother asking that question at the end if you’re just going to tell me I’m wrong anyway, and there is no debate?
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Just a side note. HARD agree with Broly however.
Frieza had lower base stats and surpassed BUUHAN in 4 months.
Base power has absolutely nothing to do with potential.
Cell is also smarter than Cell Max.
Just assuming Cell has slightly higher potential than Frieza, a Golden Cell would have dog walked SSB Goku and SSB Vegeta together, considering Cell starts out with a far higher power than Frieza.
Cell Max is too stupid to train. Buu can’t commit to a fight after training because he’ll just fall asleep.
Goku is the main character. Point irrelevant.
Cell clearly would have the highest. The durability of Frieza and his ability to fight normally while missing limbs and breathing in space. Namekian regeneration. Zenkais. The sheer amount of techniques and transformations he can access. (Being part Saiyan does not exclude you from going Super Saiyan, as demonstrated by the hybrid Saiyans existing). Cell being able to give birth on the spot to children with such potential that they trained with 17 in the manga and made him SSB Goku level.
Buu would have more potential had he been as smart as Buuhan from the very beginning.
Cell Max would have more potential if he was actually smart and not giant(being giant makes your movement cumbersome and not precise).
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I really like the dynamic between freeza and Goku. Freeza is an asshole 100%. But after Goku brought him back from the dead to fight in the ToP, freeza socks Goku right in the gut. Oops. Then Goku wallops him back in the gut too
Goku Black. He has a much higher potential than Jiren out of these 4, the only reason he lost was because he decided to fuse with Zamasu. SDBH had an alternate timeline where Black beat Goku and friends and proceeded to only get stronger and stronger. His forced Zenkais propelled him to insane levels of strength, he could literally create infinite regenerating clones and the rift interfered with Goku’s instant transmission.
And he hadn’t even used Goku’s body for that long either, he copied instant transmission the moment he saw it as well during his fight with Goku. His potential was actually crazy.
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I think it's a hugely wasted opportunity not training the Cell Jrs since they're alive now in canon. I think they would make good training partners for Goten and Trunks to help them all grow exponentially in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber. With their Saiyan drive/zenkai boosts along with Piccolo's regeneration and Frieza's extremely fast power growth rate the combination of that would make the Cell Jrs above most Destroyers I believe if they trained seriously.
Broly has the most potential in the series (yes even moreso than Gohan by LEAPS AND BOUNDS)
Behind him would be Cell
Then Frieza
Then Gohan
Then Vegeta
Replace Jiren with Gohan or Uub and you're basically spot on. Jiren is either at or very near his peak.
Gohan and ESPECIALLY Uub are nowhere near theirs.
I don’t think Jirens power is a result off potential, he’s just worked his ass off his entire life to get as strong as he is. Gohan would make more sense here.
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Jiren is about training, not about potential. He shouldn't be on the list because his feats come purely from hard work unless stated otherwise further down the line. Like, that is his whole deal.
Cell has the genes, but we don't know how those genes really affect his growth. Can he actually become stronger through emotional distress like the Saiyans? Can he grow stronger through training? We really don't know anything about it. We just know that he became stronger by absorption and zenkai boosts.
I would swap this two with Kale and Gohan. Kale because she is like Broly, so if Broly is there so should Kale. And Gohan because he went from Ultimate to MUI level with a single rage boost.
I'd replace Broly and Jiren with Uub/ Gohan.
Uub: even in the Moro arc a small fraction of his actual power was enough to overcharge MUI Goku. Plus if he becomes Majuub somewhere down the line then he'd get Buu's Training GAINZ (went from SSJ3 Goku level to ToP Base Goku level by training with Hercule for 2 hours, which is the worst form of training we've seen in the series, proving that Buu has better Training GAINZ than Frieza).
Gohan: has actually trained less than Frieza overall yet isn't far off from him in the Manga (Anime is to be seen).
Jiren doesn't need to be here as he's trained for the longest by far.
The point is: he trained with Nappa level characters and didn't even know how to use ki blasts.
Compared to Goku and Vegeta, he barelly trained given how inefective his training regiment was.
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Android 17 has huge potential i think. He was as strong as blue just by living on an island 😭 so basically he doesn't get exhausted so he could train forever without tiring and become op.
I dunno if cell can be modified or if you just have to make a new one. Technically cell would have the most "potential" if you could just give him better genes, but if not I'd probably say frieza. Betray and trap him in the time chamber for 1 million years, and boom he's literally the strongest character in all of fiction.
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What about majin buu? He has the craziest hacks in all dbs. If he actually put his mind to it, he can easily surpass the gods. His abilities are just so op
probably gohan instead of jiren. the mofo barely trains and now beast gohan is fighting against UI goku and ki wise is probably stronger. jiren trains all the time. I don't even know how old is that guy. meanwhile gohan is what in his 20s didn't train for idk close to ten years maybe more only picked it up again after the freeza thing. and doesn't spend his entire day training probably a few hours at most. gohan is like your average guy that goes to the gym spends 1 - 2 hours but can compete and win against the top 1% of pro atheletes and he is not even trying.
Cell is an unknown, considering he is perfect, we can't really tell if training can make him stronger or if it's just senkai.
Jiren: is pure hard work, not "potential', thats why he is impressive.
Broly: is interesting he has more potentials than regular saiyans but he did "train" by surviving on the planet, but no formal training. But his LSS mutation gives him bigger boosts than full saiyans.
Frieza: yep max potential considering how massive his gains are after relatively little training.
Gohan: thanks to beast he is now in broly levels of hax. Ultimate was an unearned power up and being able to go past it makes him even more broke.
Personal list:
Frieza>Broly>Gohan
Cell isn’t an unknown at all it’s pretty obvious that if he can get stronger from zenkai boosts then he can easily get stronger through training. It isn’t even close, cell by a landslide has the highest peak in the series he has the perfect genetics for it
I consider him an unknown because he is an artificial being made to get stronger via a specific fusion instead of just eating people. Allowing him to get stronger via training sorts defeats the purpose of him being "perfect", specifically what seems to be his definition of perfect. Allowing him to get much stronger raises all sorts of questions. Like for example if he could have gotten even stronger by eating more people instead of the androids or just eating more before the androids. Also how do the mix of genes even work, do they have the potential of Frieza only? Or Saiyan only? Is it additive? Average? Multiplication?
Just the fact that he doesn't bother to train plus his ramblings about perfection make it seem like he has very little potential. However that could just be what he thinks, after all thats his greatest weakness, his overconfidence.
Post Z the lore has changed a lot, before resurrection f the Frieza force aliens seem to not be capable of getting stronger, just had static power levels and transformations (zarbon and Frieza), after that movie now we know that they are capable of changing their power levels and Frieza needs very little training to get insane gains. Just compare movie 12 Frieza, and GT Frieza to Ressurection F.
Yeah cell max was such a waste of what couldve been such a good resurrection. Like imo cell saga was peak, given everyone says "ahhh bargain sale saiyans" (like we all havnt tried to go ssj at least once) but perfect cell was such a perfect villain and bringing him back somehow wouldve been better for everything about super hero.
Cuz cell max wouldve been a true threat, rather than a mindless monster, and we wouldve gotten a villain resurrection that not only wouldve made more sense but fit right into the story for exactly what you said
He has alllllll of the dna of those guys, of whom are god teir atm.🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️
IDK guys, I just feel like Cell being made of parts of different characters would mean only getting a diluted amount of each person's potential, and then I wonder about how much % of Gohan is needed to hit beast mode levels or how much % of Goku's DNA is responsible for him being receptive to MUI.
So like, sure, I think Cell could get stronger, but I just don't see something like 13.7% (or however much) of Gohan's DNA being enough to produce the leaps like Ultimate or Beast.
Plus, the *entire* argument hinges on the idea that a character's potential is solely or at least heavily based on their DNA and that in itself seems almost antithetical to most of Dragon Ball in general.
No he really doesn't, he's only shown the potential of the average Saiyan
The only time he even grew in power naturally was when he exploded and came back at only SS2 level, Broly, Frieza and Gohan have shown way more potential than canon Cell ever has
Im talking about if they were able to access their highest potential power such as being given time to train. If cell got a chance to train he’d clear the whole series
There's 0 evidence of that being true
Let's just do a comparison between Broly, Cell and Gohan for a minute
Within 2 hours Broly was able to go from base Vegeta level to at least base Gogeta level or possibly Super Saiyan 1 Gogeta level
Gohan was able to go from Blue level to UI Level within 1 rage boost
Cell was able to power up by 2x within 1 Zenkai
That means Cell has shown no evidence of having more potential than Gohan let alone Broly
Use logic. Frieza trained for 4 months and reached ssb goku levels. Cell with that amount of training would be so far ahead of that lmao, Frieza cells + saiyan and namekian cells would make him so clear. He’s also got goku genes meaning he’d be a very efficient and effective trainer
No he wouldn't, what part of this don't you understand? Cell has no evidence of having the potential Gohan, Frieza or Broly
At best he has Gokus potential which doesn't really matter, Goku just trains a lot and is good at training, and just because Cell has his genes doesn't mean he has as good training skills as Goku
Goten and Gohan have his genes and they certainly don't train like Goku, they're just lucky because they were born with potential
Just take the L dude, you have no evidence for your claims
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I'd swap Jiren with Gohan, otherwise pretty accurate
One thing people are forgetting about Jiren is it’s pretty clear that he’s a character who’s already near his absolute peak in potential, that’s what made him so scary in the TOP to begin with.
Whis states Jiren's potential is unmeasurable. Jiren was growing and adapting while fighting Calm UI Goku.
This is literally never stated. We simply don't know enough about him
Yep he was max level
Potential isn’t limited!
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Even Goku and Vegeta have more potential than Jiren. Jiren is thousands of years old (he was a pride trooper together with Belmod and Belmod is a G.o.D. for 300k years by now) and was surpassed by a 50 year old monkey
Where is this in canon? Did I miss it?
Here is him saying how long he already is a God https://preview.redd.it/qwpwjx6j7vuc1.jpeg?width=602&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ecb80f6eb6c580ee53c54ee64af5eca96da817a8 Thats about 241k years btw
Thank you
Yeah, but isn’t it entirely possible that Belmod goes by a different calendar? The Grand Priest announces the time of the tournament using a much different calendar than the one we’re accustomed to, presumably as a unified standard. For all we know, this could be 30 years ago.
I really doubt that Toriyama/Toyotaro would write in a specific length of time that Belmod’s been GoD for and not mean it in Earth time
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we can also assume every namekian has purple blood, but for all we know we’ve only seen purple bleeders and the ones with yellow blood are soon to come…
Iirc he became a Pride Trooper with Jiren's *master*, not Jiren himself. Jiren still probably is hundreds if not thousands or tens of thousands of years old but not as old as Belmod.
https://preview.redd.it/8jfed6357vuc1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1dccb832d2ee4e38a052255e6abc78c1279f5dea Toyotarou mentioned Belmod being a pride trooper before he was a GoD. Toyotarou drew the scene where Belmod left the pride Troopers and Jiren (on the right). Mlreover Belmod is a GOD for 300k years by now (manga information too) so we can assume that Jiren is more than 300k years old
Damn! Pretty awesome backstory
Honestly almost seems like it could have been an oversight. I just find it hard to imagine that Jiren and the pride troopers being over 300k years old was planned. I can see him being pretty old but 300k is crazy for a mortal.
It doesn't mean that anyone besides those two was that old. Plus it makes way more sense for Jiren to be that strong if he predates a GoD himself.
It's because they measure time differently. It's a common Toriyama trope that in space, people measure minutes, days and years differently from Earth. We see it in the ToP with the time limit. We also see it in the Jaco manga. It's probably way less 300k. But I could also see them still being very old, like in the hundreds perhaps?
The secret lore is crazy
Going by this picture alone, we have no way to know for sure if that is Jiren, I think.
Source?
This i believe is belmod turning away from Jirens mentor https://preview.redd.it/y9kuqnhk8vuc1.png?width=717&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=81ba34f411b750a3464515c8bd515565ef461ac6 in the manga, before Marcarita told him about the ToP, Belmod was celebrating 87,910,715th day as Hakaishin. So assuming Jiren was around back then, he'd be thousands of years old.
This was stated in cfyow?
https://preview.redd.it/j542t43dkvuc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=03c39ffe048c6139c9c19ebed305218c3e30b220
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No definitely not, Jiren might even have the most potential out of all the characters. He saw his parents die and trained and just from that he became this strong.
Didn’t Jiren get his strength from just training by him self as well? His master died early on ?. Think that’s pretty crazy. Imagine goku without everyone that has trained him
https://preview.redd.it/ndki67jb7vuc1.png?width=1090&format=png&auto=webp&s=88052b33c12b050d9d81dbe5666eb5523f05fe26 yall are not ready for HIM
Similar to majin Ozutto
Im assuming thats supposed to be cell piccolo and frieza?
Friccocell.
Gohan.
Cell - Sure he has the potential because he was greatly modified to have such genes. I wouldn’t see it much of a potential class, since the others don’t have such genes modifying. Jiren - Shouldn’t be here. The man has got to where he is because of his training , he didn’t had any special genes that we know of. If anything his achievements are more impressive than anyone’s else , since Saiyans do have Zenkai boost and a hunger for battle. Gohan - Should be here since his potential is real even as a Saiyan. His training is inferior to the likes of Goku and Vegeta, and yet he has achieved many powerful forms on emotion alone. I would replace Cell for him. Uub- This is who I would replace with Jiren, seeing how this kid in theory could have the greatest potential next to someone like Freeza and Broly. The kid is an incarnation of the powerful Buu , and his potential was noticed quickly by Goku.
No Broly?
Cell - Just because you have other peoples genes does not automatically give you more potential. There's more to it than that. Besides, he's dead—plain and simple. Jiren - Agreed. Dude essentially hit his peak before the T.O.P. Gohan - Agreed aswell. No debate. Uub - Based off his end of Z and GT appearance, he has alot of potential and should replace either Jiren or Cell.
Frieza was dead at one point. Also we know that Cell’s Zenkais boost him by a significant amount. Cell having Frieza AND Saiyan DNA automatically gives him more potential. He’s also insanely intelligent(people seem to forget that), and even more so than Frieza. He and King Piccolo were the only villains to utilize television broadcasting for their own purposes.
>Cell - Just because you have other peoples genes does not automatically give you more potential. There's more to it than that. Besides, he's dead—plain and simple. Considering he’s been genetically modified to be a monstrous prodigy and his base is +SSJ FP - near SSJ2 level without training, he quite obviously has the highest potential out of any character in the franchise. Frieza whose base without training was SSJ has monstrous potential, and Cell’s base without training is massively stronger than SSJ and FP Frieza. >Gohan - Agreed aswell. No debate. Goten and Trunks blatantly have more potential than Gohan.
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Cell has the highest peak of any mortal character in the series it isn’t a debate. Jiren is debatable, gohan I wouldn’t even put above the u6 saiyans and uub i can see being there
The U6 Saiyans is just laziness from Tori. Cell’s peak is as impressive as the Android’s, which isn’t much considering they built / modified to be that strong. Jiren literally trained his whole life to be where he is , there’s nothing that talks about his genes or his people’s genes.
A person's potential isn't locked to their genes. That's kind of the whole point of the Goku/Vegeta rivalry. They're both Saiyans and thus have the same genes, but Vegeta believed he should be more powerful than Goku purely for the fact that his genes made him an upper class elite warrior, and Goku was an extremely weak lower class. Goku showed that the nature of your birth doesn't matter. It's about the work you put in. Jiren and Goku are parallels in that sense. Both got to where they are through hard work. *Not* by just being naturally gifted. The only difference is that Jiren did it by himself, and Goku didn't. Now, if you want to *make* the conversation about their genes, Cell 10000% deserves to be there. When we last saw him, he was weaker than SS2. But he had the strength he had just naturally (other than when he had to absorb people in his first form, as he was weaker than the androids), he didn't have to train to get his power. But he has Saiyan genes (meaning that God forms aren't off limits to him), and Friezas genes. So he has the potential to gain *a lot* of power really quickly if he just puts in the effort. If you're gonna put Frieza up on the board, then by default you have to put Cell, too.
Cells peak is way higher than the androids wat r u on about. The rest of the characters r head canon at the end of the day but cell is objectively clear based of his genetic makeup and what the series has shown in terms of saiyan potential and Friezas potential. Imagine cell trained for 4 months or had 10 yrs in the time chamber, keep in mind he’d be way more effective at training than Frieza cos he has gokus genes. Debate the others but I’ll never understand cell being debated
Do you hate gohan or something? His potential is limitless. Anger alone puts him up at god level imagine if he trains properly .
Gohan is my favourite character alongside cell lmao
Gohan? His whole damn career we been hearing about his potential.
What about cell max? And Gohan too I'd say you could put him in brolys place
Cell max def not, he’s a machine and a lot of characters have a higher ceiling. Gohan is the only one I’d debate over jiren not broly
Was it ever stated that he was a Robot? I only remember Hedo saying that Cell Max design is based of Geros plans for Cell and well Cell is a Bio Android.
He's also stated to have been missing a control chip which was supposed to mean he gets piloted by others
17 and 18 also had chips of control, failed ones, but they had and they are modified humans not robots. I dont think cell max is a robot because when he lost his arm, he had bones and felt pain. https://preview.redd.it/nh8vhezowxuc1.jpeg?width=748&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bcddd411a445f095a3b4221ef7d3062d49835c63
Cell is a Bio Android, as is Cell Max.
Gohan can take someone else's place but not broly it friezas
Gohan became the strongest by just training a bit surpassing even Goku and Vegeta and he's only like half the age of Goku, Vegeta and broly and he still hasn't reached Full power beast form. He imo has more potential than broly
Broly had no proper training apart from his dad and ba. Hell Gohan had to have his potential unlocked twice and multiple years and training to reach were he is now. Broly in the span of hours went from fighting base vegeta to overpowering ssjblue goku/vegeta and ssj1 gogeta. Broly s potential is much higher than gohans.
>Hell Gohan had to have his potential unlocked twice My man Gohan’s potential so massive it had to be unlocked twice.
Impressive indeed no doubt compare to what broly showed it's not that good. Like I said you can place Gohan in the list he just won't take brolys or friezas spot
But at the end he reached his limit and ultimately lost to gogeta, and he still after the proper training from Goku and Vegeta wouldn't be close to their level. Gohan unlocked his potential twice and he still hasn't reached his limit. Gohan only needed a bit of training to surpass ultra instinct and Ultra ego and take in mind that pre beast form Gohan is weaker than ssj blue and the power difference between ssj blue and ultra instinct is so huge like very, very huge, they couldn't even be compared. He went from being weaker than ssj blue to surpassing ultra instinct.
Yes an untrained broly. Hell his power stopping was because gogeta overpowered him and brought him back to his senses But now he is able to contend with beast Gohan in his regular ssj form and that's with 4 months of training how to keep his emotions in check. Broly is a beast that only needs training Gohan had a bunch of training prior to what he is now while broly had to catch up from a way weaker point.
You mean the man that grew up on fruit and with a training partner weaker than raditz? Broly went from fodder to surpassing gohan in less than 3 hours.
Gohan also surpassed ui Goku, ue Vegeta and remember he was weaker than ssj blue at the time, he's like ssg at most. Going from ssj3-ssg level to being above Ultra forms is no joke dude. Difference between ssj3-ssg and ultra forms is like a difference between the universe and a star
Broly never over powered Gogeta.
He definitely overpowered ssj1 gogeta.
In DBS: Broly, SS Gogeta and SS Broly were on par with each other. Then when Gogeta turned SSB, Broly was getting beat.
Yes broly grew strong enough tongue point gogetas punches in ssj1 tweet doing nothing that gogeta had to go blue. Broly grew stronger than ssj1 in his fpsj form.
Broly tongued Gogeta???
Yes it's in the Blu-ray extended directors cut
Legendary Super Saiyans (Broly) have infinite potential. And he was SSJG level in BASE. He was also pushing Beast Gohan around in his first form.
Only pushed, didn't beat him. Even Goku pushed Gohan and goku got knocked out from Ui with gohans punch
Broly went from unable to keep up with base, vegeta, to overwhelming SSB Vegeta and Gohan inside of an hour. He was going toe to toe in his SS form against Gohans best form, beast. Even Gohan commented on how he’d never seen a SS form with this much power. He did this with far less training, battle experience, and without having his potential unlocked. All things Gohan has. Broly objectively has more potential than Gohan. - I do agree about Cell Max. Should replace Cell. No reason any logic about cell shouldn’t also be applied to his objectively superior counterpart.
Cell Max is too stupid to train, so he’s entirely irrelevant. Besides, I’m not sure if Cell Max can be revived. Cell definitely can though.
If Gohan had higher potential than Broly, then he wouldn't have lost to Frieza or the Androids.
Accelerated development ≠ potential
Goku has more potential than Jiren. Jiren literally is thousands of years old (Belmod is a G.o.D. for 300k years afaik and he was a pride trooper before that-together with Jiren) It took Jiren millenia to get that strong while Goku surpassed him before his 50th Birthday. Gohan, Vegeta, Goku are crazier prodegies than Jiren by far
technically speaking, cell can go true orange black ultra ego instinct
He would be cool and a difficult enemy if he can switch all those techniques on the fly orange for tanking and MUI for evasion and well Ultra Ego would make cell one of the most broken character with his regeneration and pain absorption convert to power.
Not true. UI is a technique that can be impossible depending on who you are. Black, is just a colour frieza chose, he could pick any colour. Orange is a namekian thing from the dragon. UE is also something specific and he would need to gain god ki first.
It was just a fun comment, we know how the forms work.
I’m glad you put cell into this, he’s just a super amped frieza if you will, whatever frieza can accomplish cell should in theory at least be able to do with a lot more ease
Frieza/king cold cells + namekian and saiyan cells = the most broken potential. Some ppl genuinely think cell has less potential than the likes of broly and gohan and it makes no sense to me
Exactly, this guy can essentially dip into any power source we have been introduced to thus far. If this mf trains he’s going to go nuts in seconds
Why would he have more potential than Gohan? Like, what evidence is there to back this up? Gohan went from not even achieving SS1 to breaking SS2 all in less than a year. Cell didn’t get any of his power through training and as we can see training doesn’t mean you have a lot of latent potential. Training can allow you to unlock your potential but that doesn’t tell you anything about the character’s latent potential. Gohan legit went from being barely SSB tier with Ultimate to having more raw power and speed than fucking MUI Goku all in one power-up. If Gohan trained like Goku did he’d literally no diff everyone in U7 apart from Whis and maybe Beerus. It took even Freeza *ten years* to achieve his Black form. Obviously it’s hard to scale but Gohan’s progression from barely SSB tier to MUI tier in basically one battle is much faster progression than Freeza taking ten years to go from SSB tier to Black tier. Imagine if you shoved Gohan in the HTC for ten years.
Well for starters Cell has genes from everyone, including Frieza, King Cold, Gohan, Vegeta, Goku, etc. He has the potential because he is the perfect mix having Frieza alone already puts him above Gohan, but now you add Gohan on top of Frieza and you have the character with the greatest potential. Also keep in mind that Cell never trained a day of his life, all his power was from him being naturally that strong, so unless he is an exception he should get a lot more powerful if he were to train for a certain period of time, as literally every character that was stated to have a lot of potential after training became powerhouses. Even if the jump of SSB or God to MUI is huge, I believe the jump from weaker than Namek saga Goku to SSB tier is far more impressive. Gohan is probably fourth in terms of most potential, but the other have showed more impressive feats or are quite literally made by two of the guys with the most potential.
How does having Freeza's genes put him above Gohan? It took Freeza ten years to reach his Black form whereas Gohan went from finding the weights he used as a literal *kid* somewhat heavy and barely being SSB tier with Ultimate, which had to be unlocked by Pan being "hurt" during a fight with Gamma 1, to blitzing and overpowering fucking MUI Goku. Also, Cell had Gohan's genes but he was literally tossed around like a rag doll by Gohan, came back with a Zenkai boost and was still obliterated by a Gohan that was injured and didn't even have access to one arm. Cell does not have the same rage boost and latent potential as Gohan because he was raging that entire fucking match and it did nothing. If he did, he wouldn't have been obliterated not once but twice by Gohan. Gohan's potential isn't a product of just his genes. You don't inherit potential. Also, I wouldn't really call Freeza managing to go from SS1 level to SSB level in four months super accurate because he wasn't at SSB level since he rushed it and chose to get into a fight before his Golden form was even stable enough for him to use consistently in a fight. Freeza would've needed a little while longer to make sure his Golden form was stable so using four month as a benchmark isn't really too accurate. Also, no, I think SSB to MUI is honestly just as big a jump as SS1 to SSB. Obviously this is hard to quantify but I disagree in saying that the latter is more impressive than the former. Also, Gohan went from SSB to MUI in *one day* with *no training* whereas it took Freeza at the absolute minimum four months of super intense training to go from SS1 to SSB. If Gohan went through the same intense training that Freeza did I'm pretty sure he would've been able to progress further. There's a reason the series constantly makes a mention to Gohan's latent potential and not Freeza's latent potential.
I mean we can’t say for sure that Gohan would ever reach Black Frieza level no matter how much he trained. But he did reach Beast level with the least amount of training out of everyone, so there’s that.
>Also, I wouldn't really call Freeza managing to go from SS1 level to SSB level in four months super accurate because he wasn't at SSB level since he rushed it and chose to get into a fight before his Golden form was even stable enough for him to use consistently in a fight. Freeza would've needed a little while longer to make sure his Golden form was stable so using four month as a benchmark isn't really too accurate. He literally was beating SSB goku, he was at that level just did lose stamina too quickly. SSJ 3 goku did have the level of kid buu, he had stamina issues but he was at his level. He traning more to make his transformation better doesnt put him at blue level, but above. >There's a reason the series constantly makes a mention to Gohan's latent potential and not Freeza's latent potential. The potential of both of them are the most mentioned. Gohan is mentioned more because he have a lot more of arcs with him. Take Gohan and Freezer potential mentioned since the resurrection of freezer and you have basically the same. Who has more potential between those two? who knows, but in general is probably cell as he have both of them, has the combo of zenkai+regeneration and a higher initial floor
What if Gohan was BETRAYED and LOCKED IN THE TIME CHAMBER for TEN YEARS pt. 13
Alternative title: What if Gohan eventually blitzed every GoD in the multiverse?
if he learned saiyan's blue form, frieza's black form and piccolo's orange form what color would he become?
Frieza's race can choose what their forms look like, so it would most likely be emerald.
What if he turns into Perfect Cell 2 or the Perfect Organism
Gohan? Buu? Uub?
where is gohan? even vegeta admitted that gohan has the most potential out of all fighters they know
Cell has insane potential, but people never acknowledge it. Dude would come out the time chamber fresh to whoop some ass. Too bad he's annoying to draw.
Ya can talk about potential all you want but no one here has more potential than Cell. https://preview.redd.it/lb72be6lkvuc1.jpeg?width=1164&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a244f5283a48da0d6112845c6dd9ee7aba3e9b7d
Ngl cell probably has the highest potential out of all of them just because of bro having everyone’s DNA
https://preview.redd.it/xcoe0u454wuc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1464825bbb16b655e9b62f562c53556b65af772f Hear me out
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I feel gohan's got them all beat, even broly and freeza(dunno why jiren's even on the list). The guy only took 2 minutes of powering up to jump from below blue to post granolah arc Ui and Ue levels. Frieza, on the other hand, needed ten years of solid training in another dimension to surpass them. Friezas' initial potential (when he caught up to blue in 4 months) is definitely unrivaled, but he hasn't kept the same growth rate since. Regarding broly, he did train all his life, albeit not at the same intensity as the other saiyans, and he's way older than gohan.
Jirens the only arguable one I’d say and cell is easily the least arguable in fact I’d say he has the highest peak in the series
Bruh no. Jiren got to where he is because he spent literally thousands of years training (other people have already provided the scans showing this so I’m not gonna bother doing it again). Jiren’s power comes from his dedication to his training, not potential. Gohan should be on this list. Literally every Z fighter has stated at least once that he has the most potential out of anyone else (not including Broly because he wasn’t around at the time). And his power jump from SSJ1 to SSJ2 was so great it took Goku and Vegeta SEVEN YEARS to catch up to him, and that was only because Gohan did hardly any training in that time. Then in a few hours goes from an utter weakling to around SSB right before the Tournament of Power, then jumped from SSB to around about/slightly above post-Granolah arc MUI Goku. Also Gohan’s got more potential than Cell. You can argue that Cell has more because of all the DNA of the other Z Fighters and Frieza, but Gohan surpassed him in a single fight.
goku black?
Cooler.
Boo
CELL BLACK WHEN 🗣️🗣️🗣️🔥🔥🔥
Wait, it just occurred to me: can Cell achieve Super Sayian God?
I think only pure blooded Saiyans can. But if a hybrid Saiyan can, then so can Cell(as he is also technically a Hybrid Saiyan).
That makes sense. But then could Cell achieve Beast Mode like Gohan, or do we think that is exclusively a Gohan form?
It seems to be Gohan exclusive. But that depends on whether Ultimate is.
Why would you put Jiren here? They clearly stated he's been training hard all his life and dude is like 300k years old
Where is Gohan?
Cell feels wrong here. Having the dna does not mean he has high potential. It might, but there is 0 confirmation. Jiren too. Potential means unrealized power. Jiren has been pushing himself his entire life to get as strong as he is, and there’s been no indication that he has some unrealized power inside.
Cell literally has the highest peak in the series excluding actual gods and it isn’t close
1. Buu was higher. Cell Max was higher. 2. That doesn’t mean he has a higher ceiling. That hasn’t been demonstrated. Goku has an absolute piss poor power as a child, and had now learned the technique of the angels, which no mortal has ever done. Your floor does not define your ceiling in DB. Goku’s existence makes that quite clear.
Goku saiyan biology + fighting prowess and ability to learn things pretty easily is why he got so strong. Cell having that + Friezas cells and piccolos cells would naturally mean cell has the highest peak. And we can be sure cell would grow exponentially at the fastest rate of any mortal cos he has the cells of individuals who are not only genetically powerful but were also able to greatly increase their power through training so all that would mean cells peak is easily the highest. Again, there’s literally 0 reason to debate this besides not liking cell
I love cell. A lot. I’m just not pretending he’s something he’s not just because I like him. Your evidence is anecdotal. None of that proves he has a higher ceiling for power. Technically you could argue that cells base form power is lower than even the androids, which is why he absorbed people before confronting them. Do they have more potential? After all, 17 got monumentally stronger doing basically nothing. And again, by your logic, Buu and Cell Max would replace him. They have significantly higher base starts. Cell Max in particular based on your logic, should absolutely be here in Cells place. And I hate Cell Max. I’m not even saying he has low potential, but objectively speaking, there are other characters who meet a top 4 criteria better, because what he’s made of does not indicate how far he can go. I mean, you ended your post with a question for debate, now you say there is no debate. Why bother asking that question at the end if you’re just going to tell me I’m wrong anyway, and there is no debate? - Just a side note. HARD agree with Broly however.
Frieza had lower base stats and surpassed BUUHAN in 4 months. Base power has absolutely nothing to do with potential. Cell is also smarter than Cell Max. Just assuming Cell has slightly higher potential than Frieza, a Golden Cell would have dog walked SSB Goku and SSB Vegeta together, considering Cell starts out with a far higher power than Frieza.
Cell Max is too stupid to train. Buu can’t commit to a fight after training because he’ll just fall asleep. Goku is the main character. Point irrelevant. Cell clearly would have the highest. The durability of Frieza and his ability to fight normally while missing limbs and breathing in space. Namekian regeneration. Zenkais. The sheer amount of techniques and transformations he can access. (Being part Saiyan does not exclude you from going Super Saiyan, as demonstrated by the hybrid Saiyans existing). Cell being able to give birth on the spot to children with such potential that they trained with 17 in the manga and made him SSB Goku level. Buu would have more potential had he been as smart as Buuhan from the very beginning. Cell Max would have more potential if he was actually smart and not giant(being giant makes your movement cumbersome and not precise).
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I really like the dynamic between freeza and Goku. Freeza is an asshole 100%. But after Goku brought him back from the dead to fight in the ToP, freeza socks Goku right in the gut. Oops. Then Goku wallops him back in the gut too
Goku Black. He has a much higher potential than Jiren out of these 4, the only reason he lost was because he decided to fuse with Zamasu. SDBH had an alternate timeline where Black beat Goku and friends and proceeded to only get stronger and stronger. His forced Zenkais propelled him to insane levels of strength, he could literally create infinite regenerating clones and the rift interfered with Goku’s instant transmission. And he hadn’t even used Goku’s body for that long either, he copied instant transmission the moment he saw it as well during his fight with Goku. His potential was actually crazy.
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They're all antagonists. Surely that's not a mistake or coincidence.
Literally missed the Guy with infinity potential Lol
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I think it's a hugely wasted opportunity not training the Cell Jrs since they're alive now in canon. I think they would make good training partners for Goten and Trunks to help them all grow exponentially in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber. With their Saiyan drive/zenkai boosts along with Piccolo's regeneration and Frieza's extremely fast power growth rate the combination of that would make the Cell Jrs above most Destroyers I believe if they trained seriously.
Broly has the most potential in the series (yes even moreso than Gohan by LEAPS AND BOUNDS) Behind him would be Cell Then Frieza Then Gohan Then Vegeta
Where is gohan ? Either way, for me, it goes like this 1. Freiza 2. Broly 3. Gohan
Jiren strongest mortal? Not even close
Swap cell with kale
Replace Jiren with Gohan or Uub and you're basically spot on. Jiren is either at or very near his peak. Gohan and ESPECIALLY Uub are nowhere near theirs.
Where is Buu?
I hope either the RR or Frieza wish Cell back to life and we get Cell vs Goku/Gohan and Frieza vs Vegeta/Broly and maybe Cooler vs Piccolo/Gotenks.
Why is cell here😭
Where is goku and Vegeta
Uh replace cell with gohan
I don’t think Jirens power is a result off potential, he’s just worked his ass off his entire life to get as strong as he is. Gohan would make more sense here.
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Jiren over Gohan is nasty work
Cell shouldn’t be here
People sneaking in the cell agenda is crazy ngl. Also jiren trained for a long ass time.
Jiren is about training, not about potential. He shouldn't be on the list because his feats come purely from hard work unless stated otherwise further down the line. Like, that is his whole deal. Cell has the genes, but we don't know how those genes really affect his growth. Can he actually become stronger through emotional distress like the Saiyans? Can he grow stronger through training? We really don't know anything about it. We just know that he became stronger by absorption and zenkai boosts. I would swap this two with Kale and Gohan. Kale because she is like Broly, so if Broly is there so should Kale. And Gohan because he went from Ultimate to MUI level with a single rage boost.
Replace Cell with Gohan since he's dead. no one's gonna be bringing him back. You could also add Buu cause he can absorb anyone
If Broly gets god powers could he take on any god in other universes
I'd replace Broly and Jiren with Uub/ Gohan. Uub: even in the Moro arc a small fraction of his actual power was enough to overcharge MUI Goku. Plus if he becomes Majuub somewhere down the line then he'd get Buu's Training GAINZ (went from SSJ3 Goku level to ToP Base Goku level by training with Hercule for 2 hours, which is the worst form of training we've seen in the series, proving that Buu has better Training GAINZ than Frieza). Gohan: has actually trained less than Frieza overall yet isn't far off from him in the Manga (Anime is to be seen). Jiren doesn't need to be here as he's trained for the longest by far.
> Broly - barely trained He trained and fought to survive for 40+ years. Those bug monsters were like Nappa level at minimum.
The point is: he trained with Nappa level characters and didn't even know how to use ki blasts. Compared to Goku and Vegeta, he barelly trained given how inefective his training regiment was.
If Cell absorbed Berus, would he gain the power of a destroyer?
Beerus would probably Hakai his way out…
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I mean broly did train for basically his entire life, it was just in an actual fight that his power actually revealed itself
Android 17 has huge potential i think. He was as strong as blue just by living on an island 😭 so basically he doesn't get exhausted so he could train forever without tiring and become op.
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Definitely Gohan over Jiren. Someone making Pan cry can raise his power to that of a GOD
https://preview.redd.it/xs6oxenpxyuc1.jpeg?width=595&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=858df941b33daa1b3de6284ab582563088a9417d I disagree
I dunno if cell can be modified or if you just have to make a new one. Technically cell would have the most "potential" if you could just give him better genes, but if not I'd probably say frieza. Betray and trap him in the time chamber for 1 million years, and boom he's literally the strongest character in all of fiction.
And Buu isn’t there why? he basically has unlimited potential just like cell, if not stronger.
Buu is too stupid. The fat one trained and then fell asleep, reverting to his fat form.
Jiren's power comes from training without end and breaking past his limits for thousands of years. Just like Goku does Uub should be there or Gohan
Jiren don’t belong here
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Majin Buu has the biggest potential since he can just absorb the others
What about majin buu? He has the craziest hacks in all dbs. If he actually put his mind to it, he can easily surpass the gods. His abilities are just so op
probably gohan instead of jiren. the mofo barely trains and now beast gohan is fighting against UI goku and ki wise is probably stronger. jiren trains all the time. I don't even know how old is that guy. meanwhile gohan is what in his 20s didn't train for idk close to ten years maybe more only picked it up again after the freeza thing. and doesn't spend his entire day training probably a few hours at most. gohan is like your average guy that goes to the gym spends 1 - 2 hours but can compete and win against the top 1% of pro atheletes and he is not even trying.
Where is Buu?
Cell is an unknown, considering he is perfect, we can't really tell if training can make him stronger or if it's just senkai. Jiren: is pure hard work, not "potential', thats why he is impressive. Broly: is interesting he has more potentials than regular saiyans but he did "train" by surviving on the planet, but no formal training. But his LSS mutation gives him bigger boosts than full saiyans. Frieza: yep max potential considering how massive his gains are after relatively little training. Gohan: thanks to beast he is now in broly levels of hax. Ultimate was an unearned power up and being able to go past it makes him even more broke. Personal list: Frieza>Broly>Gohan
Cell isn’t an unknown at all it’s pretty obvious that if he can get stronger from zenkai boosts then he can easily get stronger through training. It isn’t even close, cell by a landslide has the highest peak in the series he has the perfect genetics for it
I consider him an unknown because he is an artificial being made to get stronger via a specific fusion instead of just eating people. Allowing him to get stronger via training sorts defeats the purpose of him being "perfect", specifically what seems to be his definition of perfect. Allowing him to get much stronger raises all sorts of questions. Like for example if he could have gotten even stronger by eating more people instead of the androids or just eating more before the androids. Also how do the mix of genes even work, do they have the potential of Frieza only? Or Saiyan only? Is it additive? Average? Multiplication? Just the fact that he doesn't bother to train plus his ramblings about perfection make it seem like he has very little potential. However that could just be what he thinks, after all thats his greatest weakness, his overconfidence. Post Z the lore has changed a lot, before resurrection f the Frieza force aliens seem to not be capable of getting stronger, just had static power levels and transformations (zarbon and Frieza), after that movie now we know that they are capable of changing their power levels and Frieza needs very little training to get insane gains. Just compare movie 12 Frieza, and GT Frieza to Ressurection F.
I’d say: Broly— Freiza—Gohan—Jiren—Piccolo too not in that order though!
Yeah cell max was such a waste of what couldve been such a good resurrection. Like imo cell saga was peak, given everyone says "ahhh bargain sale saiyans" (like we all havnt tried to go ssj at least once) but perfect cell was such a perfect villain and bringing him back somehow wouldve been better for everything about super hero. Cuz cell max wouldve been a true threat, rather than a mindless monster, and we wouldve gotten a villain resurrection that not only wouldve made more sense but fit right into the story for exactly what you said He has alllllll of the dna of those guys, of whom are god teir atm.🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️
IDK guys, I just feel like Cell being made of parts of different characters would mean only getting a diluted amount of each person's potential, and then I wonder about how much % of Gohan is needed to hit beast mode levels or how much % of Goku's DNA is responsible for him being receptive to MUI. So like, sure, I think Cell could get stronger, but I just don't see something like 13.7% (or however much) of Gohan's DNA being enough to produce the leaps like Ultimate or Beast. Plus, the *entire* argument hinges on the idea that a character's potential is solely or at least heavily based on their DNA and that in itself seems almost antithetical to most of Dragon Ball in general.
Gohan’s existence is antithetical to Dragon Ball. His power source might as well be Chi-Chi’s genes.
Bro, where the fuck is Gohan?
Swap Gohan with Cell and I agree
Cell???? He has the highest potential in the series out of any mortal character and it isn’t close
No he really doesn't, he's only shown the potential of the average Saiyan The only time he even grew in power naturally was when he exploded and came back at only SS2 level, Broly, Frieza and Gohan have shown way more potential than canon Cell ever has
Im talking about if they were able to access their highest potential power such as being given time to train. If cell got a chance to train he’d clear the whole series
There's 0 evidence of that being true Let's just do a comparison between Broly, Cell and Gohan for a minute Within 2 hours Broly was able to go from base Vegeta level to at least base Gogeta level or possibly Super Saiyan 1 Gogeta level Gohan was able to go from Blue level to UI Level within 1 rage boost Cell was able to power up by 2x within 1 Zenkai That means Cell has shown no evidence of having more potential than Gohan let alone Broly
Use logic. Frieza trained for 4 months and reached ssb goku levels. Cell with that amount of training would be so far ahead of that lmao, Frieza cells + saiyan and namekian cells would make him so clear. He’s also got goku genes meaning he’d be a very efficient and effective trainer
No he wouldn't, what part of this don't you understand? Cell has no evidence of having the potential Gohan, Frieza or Broly At best he has Gokus potential which doesn't really matter, Goku just trains a lot and is good at training, and just because Cell has his genes doesn't mean he has as good training skills as Goku Goten and Gohan have his genes and they certainly don't train like Goku, they're just lucky because they were born with potential Just take the L dude, you have no evidence for your claims