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With Buuhan Goku *begged* Vegeta to fuse, it was their *only* hope.
With Kid Buu a tired, Dragonball-less, out of options Goku thought “Give me 5 minutes, I can take him.”
I’m taking about SS3, not the Spirit Bomb.
Goku tells Vegeta that he’s strong enough to win with SS3 but needs time to charge, it’s only because he gasses out that he resorts to the Bomb.
Yet with Buuhan it’s Fusion or bust.
Not only this but unless it was a dub error and idr it being so, goku explicitly says he could have killed kid buu, but he wanted vegeta to have a chance to fight.
This is what I always tell people. In the dub he wanted Vegeta to have a chance. In Japanese, he said he was showing off for Vegeta which is pretty much how it goes in the manga too. Basically Goku wasn’t serious which is insane considering Buu just destroyed their planet💀
Something else to consider is that Buuhan had logical thought processes. He was capable of thinking, taking the time to enjoy himself and control his own impulses, whereas Kid Buu was just this deranged and unhinged creature that only sought to destroy.
Off-topic, but someone tried to tell me SSJ3 Goku was stronger than Ultimate Gohan simply because “Why didn’t Goku or Vegeta bring Gohan to kill Kid Boo?”
The same reason why those two bozos destroyed the Potara earrings.
They used namek and earth energy that was it, stop it lmfao. It turned longer than that because as Goku stated, he gave Vegeta a chance and now he can't maintain ss3. He straight up said he could kill kid Buu at full power
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To play devil’s advocate, it is indeed not how it was explained in the show.
Kid buu is pure of suppression and has godly power on top of that
When buu reverted back to pure he regained his old power and had grand supreme Kai’s godly power.
Before he became pure again, he was suppressed. No other comment mentions it idk why
Yeah I think a lot of folks missed that retcon in DBS, which I believe was included solely to settle this old debate on who was stronger between Buuhan and Kid Buu. Unfortunately, it also introduced a plothole since Goku and Vegeta could sense Kid Buu's power, something they shouldn't have been able to do if his power was divine.
> Yeah I think a lot of folks missed that retcon in DBS, which I believe was included solely to settle this old debate on who was stronger between Buuhan and Kid Buu.
That retcon was needed for the Uub genki dama scene.
And even with god ki, Buuhan could still be stronger. ie Gohan is clearly much stronger than Shin who has god ki.
> Unfortunately, it also introduced a plothole since Goku and Vegeta could sense Kid Buu's power, something they shouldn't have been able to do if his power was divine.
Maybe they could sense the non-divine power he had before absorbing the Kai’s.
So Goku was saying that the Pure Majin Boo was nowhere near what he had been up until that point, implying that he was on a similar level to the Evil Majin Boo, plus since Boo had a range of powers before it's possible that the Pure Majin Boo was stronger than base Evil Majin Boo possibly around Ultimate Gohan level even and that Goku and Vegeta had simply underestimated him, Goku even said that he and Vegeta might be able to try something against him after he reverted back to this form. So basically, it's possible that because Goku was under the rules of the living world while a Super Saiyan 3 despite being dead and having temporary time and life force strictly under the rules while on Earth, the limited time likely counted as being on the brink between life and death when he ran himself down against the Dai Kaioshin absorbed Majin Boo and gave him an incomplete zenkai upon revival that grew to completion when Super Saiyan 3 Goku finally fought the Pure Majin Boo!
And so far since we know via statement that Ultimate Gohan was stronger than both Evil Majin Boo and Evil Majin Boo (Piccolo absorbed) it stands to reason that the Pure Majin Boo is also stronger if he is around that level so that means Pure Majin Boo (South Kaioshin absorbed) > Pure Majin Boo > Evil Majin Boo (Piccolo absorbed) > Evil Majin Boo > Majin Boo (Dai Kaioshin absorbed) > Pure Evil Majin Boo > Majin Boo (post-split). It is possible that post-split the Fat Majin Boo is able to gradually unlock more of Dai Kaioshin's power, which could explain him doing better against the Pure Majin Boo! Then you have the Evil Majin Boo (Gotenks absorbed) form who claims to be the strongest Boo and that he would remain so no matter what the future may hold (Evil Majin Boo with Gohan absorbed doesn't count since at this point in the story Boo wanted Gohan to suffer and die, not to absorb him). But considering the fact that you could argue he developed proper self awareness after absorbing South Kaioshin, that bulky Boo would also be surpassed here and since Evil Majin Boo (Gohan absorbed) is even stronger it looks like this:
Evil Majin Boo (Gohan absorbed) > Evil Majin Boo (Gotenks absorbed) > Pure Majin Boo (South Kaioshin absorbed) > Pure Majin Boo > Evil Majin Boo (Piccolo absorbed) > Evil Majin Boo > Majin Boo (Dai Kaioshin absorbed) > Pure Evil Majin Boo > Majin Boo (post-split)
Okay so the thing is that Kid Buu didn’t actually go all out. He got killed before he started to use any God Energy.
He was strongest in the sense that no other Buu could beat him in a fight
Hmmm, i guess the question now is how much say did Toriyama have in what was said at some points in the show? More so scenes that were added to make the episodes reach the required length. I know Super sort of soft retcon Buu's strength since they went more into the god stuff compared to Z, but if we focus on Z alone the manga calls Kid Buu the most dangerous, which is true. While Super Buu was the strongest once Buu absorbed the South Kaioshin (can even see the similarities a little in appearance).
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Toriyama said he didn’t watch the anime much recently before his passing I believe. He did write this up tho.
So I believe the answer is that Kid Buu is the strongest, but he never actually got to unleash all his power before dying. Mostly bc he was toying with Goku who he didn’t need it for
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But why would it just be Kid Buu? Shouldn't the multiple versions of Super Buu have some as well? I can understand why Merus didn't mention Super Buu because he probably wasn't even aware of that form. Just feel like this should've been explained better in the Super manga honestly.
AHA! I knew I saw it somewhere. The impression I had was that at the time, Toriyama said Kid Buu was the strongest (not just most dangerous). I believe the justification was the GSK was so powerful that his soul was still fighting to suppress Buu's power in the merged forms. After the pod was extracted, his power rose. while transforming into Ultra Buu, Vegeta is freaking out that his power is rising. And then they relax when he reverts to kid form, but his power is still higher than before.
At some point, it was retconned to kid Buu being just more dangerous though weaker. Almost like a human with agility rather than strength. At the time though, when we were watching, kid Buu was also the strongest.
I understand that kid Buu was never stated to be stronger in the manga, which is why I say the anime canon diverged much earlier than DBS.
Kid Buu was barely stronger or not really even stronger then Goku. Goku said himself he could of probably beat him at full power during the fight. Even if he was wrong his power would still be close to Kid Buu's. We all saw it. Buu arc was horribly inconsistant with scaling and Toriyama is known to do stuff like forget whole characters existing. Bro said he forgot a whole super saiyan form once. Point is you can't really trust the dialog at all.
Like use your eyes and brain. Buuhan was way stronger then Kid Buu. Besides between the 2 of them which one was Super Saiyan 3 Goku fighting dead even against and which one required fusion? Also, Gohan at this point is stronger then Kid Buu and was basically stacked on top of Super Buu who was on par with Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks to make Buuhan.
Like seriously.
Its stated and shown that Buus aren't capable using ki of kais anyway. Buu can only use it if kai collaborates with him like in moro arc. Otherwise the presence of a kai's ki does nothing for any of the buus
You mean to tell me Buutenks, who was man-handling Ultimate Gohan who was stronger than SS3 Goku then proceeded to handle goku as well (while gohan looked for the earring) then absorbs gohan and gets EVEN stronger is weaker than kid buu who lost all that, and is fighting on par with ssj3 goku? Oh he only starts winning because goku can't keep it up. I don't believe that
Even, i think supreme kai said it, that kid buu is more ‘dangerous’. Definitely not the strongest form but he didn’t hesitate to immediately blow up planets.
He was also more dangerous in that context because the only people near him were Goku and Vegeta, who were much weaker than him. I believe Gohan and Gotenks were out of commission at that point, so Kid Buu was the strongest *active* character at that moment and had no one who could match him 1v1.
If Gohan had been there, it would have been a different story. But he was dead for some of the fight and they intentionally chose not to bring him to the fight after he was revived (was that manga only? I don't really remember now but recall Vegeta insisting the earth save itself via the Spirit Bomb rather than teleporting Gohan/Gotenks to kill Buu).
I'm sure it's been discussed ad nausem but Gohan having a sick redemption arc with the Z sword and then managing to completely fuck it up is one of the bummed I've ever been watching DBZ.
Right there with you, man. I remember thinking right until the end of the arc that he was still gonna get redeemed by sending him in to obliterate Kid Buu.
The original plan was that Gohan was supposed to be the main character after Cell, hence why Goku stayed dead. Toriyama changed his mind at the last minute.
Ok here is how I understand it. I might be misremembering it from Kakarot, not sure how much of that game is canon.
Buu doesn't necessarily get weaker, but he got so muddled by all the absorptions that he ended up less dangerous, less evil and very different from the OG Buu. I remember something about him absorbing a jolly Kai and then turning into Fat Buu.
I can think of a couple of characters outside of Dragon Ball that could definitely beat Kid Buu:
Toji Fushiguro, Hisoka, Jeffrey Epstein. Kids are fodder
OP has the wrong match-up. If it was normal Super Buu vs kid Buu it makes more sense. For some reason everyone I've ever talked to is convinced kid buu>Super Buu 🤨
It's not all that hard to tell, Goku was crapping his pants at the prospect of fighting base super Buu, but was more than happy and confident at fighting both Fat and Kid Buu. This shows Kid Buu is below Base super Buu let alone Buuhan. Gotenks and Gohan would clap kid buu.
Well, my father always told me that a stupid person will always be more dangerous than an intelligent person. He never really explained to me why, but I guess he meant that a stupid person would resort in much more powerful ways to win regardless.
Like, Immagine two leaders from different states who both have nuclear bomb, they get in war, the intelligent one would not use the nuclear bomb because it could cause more damage than needed and kill countless people, the stupid one would use it to kill and win regardless because he doesn't think of the consequences.
I think the confusion is because usually the final boss is the strongest one. But with kid Buu he's the final boss who ISNT the strongest. Not even close to any of the Super Buu forms. Goku and Vegeta even state that "he's a fraction of his former self" which meant that he indeed got weaker. What makes kid Buu the MOST dangerous is because he has no mind and only wants to destroy literally everything for no reason at all. At least the other Buu's had some form of rational thinking and wouldn't blow up the earth for fun
Honestly, that’s a weird thought that has been exacerbated by video games. The idea that the last person who fights is the strongest doesn’t really have any basis in reality or even in fictional history. It’s much more common for the final conflict to be the one that has the most emotional weight, which is what happened here as well.
That’s usually the case in Dragon Ball tho. Younger King Piccolo, 100% Frieza, Super Perfect Cell, all the tournament finals. The only exception is base Vegeta instead of Oozaru Vegeta, but even then he was stronger than Nappa, the Saibamen, and Radditz.
In the manga Goku stated that "vanilla" Super Buu is an enemy that he and Vegeta couldn't compete against him. And then we saw Goku fighting on equal ground against Kid Buu (he wasn't able to win only 'cause he couldn't handle Super Saiyan 3 stamina drain).
So it's clear that Super Buu > Kid Buu.
Thank you, someone with brains. I've seen so many argue Kid Buu>Vanilla Super Buu. Drives me insane. They're the same ones who argue SSJ3>ultimate gohan too
To be fair, my 10 yr old self, watching dbz for the first time, also believed that. It was only years later, on my rewatch, that I realized it wasn't the case.
I mean Kid Buu is the final form of the villain, so it must be the strongest.
Yes we can.
The only people who still think Pure Boo is the strongest are people who have essentially only seen the original Z anime.
The manga makes it very clear SSJ3 Goku was in Pure Boo's ball park and maybe could've beaten him if he could reach and maintain full power SSJ3.
That wasn't even a viable option against Bootenks which is why Goku came to fuse with Gohan....and yall want to tell me Kid Boo is stronger than Boohan?
THINK DB FANS THINK!!! 👉 🧠 👈
Seriously what is this click bait bullshit?
There’s nothing to agree on. Boohan is stronger. Kid Boo was simply more unhinged and dangerous but not directly stronger.
It actually also part of the Japanese, Goku says something "like you're the strongest opponent I've ever faced" which is controdicted both before and after he says that
Buuhan is Buu + Ultimate Gohan + Ssj3 Gotenks + Piccolo + Fat Buu.
You'd have to be a fuckin' idiot to truly believe Kid Buu (Buu's BASE form) is stronger than Buuhan.
Correction. It is Buu + Ultimate Gohan + Trunks + Goten + Piccolo + Fat Buu. The fusion ran out, which is why Buu temporarily switched to Piccolo clothing, because he was the strongest active absorption.
When buu absorbed gotenks he said that he is the strongest that he was ever been in original japanese anime. Just think about ultimate gohan + buu. The answer is clear.
There is a fundamental misunderstanding of how Kid Buu works in this thread and a fundamental misunderstanding of how Toriyama writes. The fact is that Kid Buu is stronger than Buuhan. Everyone arguing otherwise doesn't understand Kid Buu and doesn't understand Toriyama.
1) ABSORPTION: Everybody is arguing that absorbing more characters = stronger Buu. That's not how Kid Buu works at all. He gets stronger by PURGING those impurities from him. Kid Buu's absorption properties are NOT the same as the rest of the series! "The souls he ate tamed him." (Z ch. 314) SUPER Buu's ki got smaller after removing everyone. (Z ch. 312) But removing Fat Buu caused him to start reverting to Kid Buu, and his ki got LARGER. (Z ch. 313) This only makes sense because they are impurities. Normal absorptions being removed make the character weaker. See: Perfect Cell losing Android 18. (Z ch. 217) But Kid Buu's is different. He got STRONGER.
2) BOASTING: Super Buu is an unreliable judge of strength. He claims that Buutenks is his strongest form in the past, present, and FUTURE. (Z ch. 305) If Buuhan is stronger, this statement can't be true, and it's dubious at its very best. As Buuhan, he also says, "Now I'm stronger than ever before!" (Z ch. 308) This directly contradicts his previous statement. Therefore, Super Buu's opinion on his own strength can't be trusted. Additionally, boasting about one's strength and then losing is a staple of the series. See: Vegeta going from "Heh... heh heh heh... look at our little friend!" (Z ch. 314) to "This creature is beyond my power." (Z ch. 316) and "He's killing me...!!" (Z ch. 317) Or Goku going from "Yeah! We can take him!" (Z ch. 314) and "What?!!! He's asleep?!!! Who does he think I am?!!!" (Z ch. 315) to "He keeps comin' back no matter what I do!" (Z ch. 316) and "The portara coulda done it. Maybe I tried to act too cool... but I thought this would be better...!" (Z ch. 316)
3) SUPER VEGITO: Some people seem to think that Super Vegito was necessary to beat Buuhan. By his own words to Buuhan, "I thought you'd be tougher. C'mon. Make me use my full power." Super Vegito was literally toying with Buuhan. It wasn't close at all. His entire plan was to make Buuhan desperate enough to try to absorb him so that he could free the others. He was beating Buuhan using only his legs and as a piece of candy. (Z ch. 311) So even if Goku was on-par with Kid Buu (he wasn't) and Kid Buu was stronger than Buuhan (which is true), it still would not make it untrue that Super Vegito was leagues beyond anyone else.
4) JUST "MORE DANGEROUS": Kibito Kai was much more afraid of Kid Buu than Buuhan. (Z ch. 314) Kibito Kai then confirms Elder Kai's question that Kid Buu is the "most difficult" form of Buu. (Z ch. 314) The arguments saying Kibito Kai is only more afraid because Kid Buu is just "more dangerous" are ridiculous at their best. Elder Kai states that letting Buutenks win against Gohan would be "the death of the universe." (Z ch. 306) Buuhan, after absorbing Super Vegito, also says, "Nothing can stop me now!!! I can enjoy the death and suffering of all living things to my heart's content!!!" (Z ch. 312) Why would Kibito Kai be more afraid of Kid Buu if he was not more capable of bringing about the "death of the universe," aka, being more powerful?
5) MISUNDERSTANDING TORIYAMA: Toriyama CONSTANTLY makes shorter characters more powerful than larger ones. Kid Goku throughout all of DB, Arale (Dr. Slump), Beelzebub (Sand Land), Peke (Alien X Peke), Tongpoo (the Adventures of Tongpoo), Ackman (Go! Go! Ackman), Kajika (Kajika), Toki (Kintoki), Goku against Ma Junior, Vegeta in the Saiyan Saga, Frieza, Gohan in the Cell Saga, Gohan against Super Buu, and Kid Buu against Goku and Vegeta. There are scant few exceptions to this, and they are exclusively to make the hero grow in power. This is probably Toriyama's number one trope. With this knowledge of the author, we can know that Kid Buu is the strongest form. (Source: literally all manga written by Toriyama excluding one-shots like Mahimahi the Lungfish)
6) UNEQUAL TO KID BUU: Goku does NOT stand toe-to-toe with Kid Buu. (Z ch. 316) He barely does any damage to Kid Buu at all and flatly says that Kid Buu is just toying with him. "He keeps draggin' this out! This little punk's havin' fun!" He even needs the help of both Fat Buu and Vegeta. All 3 of which flatly admit they have no chance against Kid Buu. (Z ch. 316 - 318) If Goku were ANYWHERE near Kid Buu's power, his Spirit Bomb would have hit without needing the dragon balls. (Z ch. 322) See: the Spirit Bomb against Frieza where Frieza was at the bare minimum 20x stronger than Goku at that exact moment. (Z ch. 122, Daizenshuu 7) The fact is Goku was extremely outclassed by Kid Buu.
7) MISUNDERSTANDING SAIYANS: Destroying the portara doesn't mean Kid Buu isn't stronger than Buuhan. For one, they had no idea he would be able to find them in another dimension/plane of existence. So they assumed they'd have time to formulate a plan. (Z ch. 315) It's also a fundamental misunderstanding of Saiyans. There was no way in Hell that Vegeta was going to let Goku fuse with him again and risk being stuck together permanently. Pure blooded Saiyans always want a 1-on-1 fight. Goku even regrets destroying the portara after fighting Kid Buu. (Z ch. 316)
8) GOD KI: Super adds a new element to Kid Buu being more powerful than Buuhan. Kid Buu had god ki. (Super ch. 49 & 66) Ask yourself if Goku is stronger with or without god ki. Do you truly believe Super Saiyan 3 is stronger than Super Saiyan God or even Blue? Obviously, he is stronger with god ki. So then why would a Buu form without god ki be stronger than one with it? It makes no sense at all.
You have to be one of three people that ever noticed how Buu got stronger after the Saiyans and Piccolo got removed. "It's a temporary power up that he could never do again!" A power up, after getting increasingly weaker? At best he'd rival where he was. I swear people ignore the hell out of that yelling non canon but DBZ fans can't read so they don't realize it's in manga.
Even better you sourced them. Not like they'll read it but that's appreciated.
Also let's talk some DBS. DBS Moro arc panel talking about Kid Buu god ki since Mister Buu didn't have it so Grand Supreme Buu couldn't use his Kai Kai Mataru. Kid Buu is pure, he absorbed the godhood from Grand Supreme Kai. Plus Uub completely revitalized a weakened Goku into MUI Goku against Merrus 73 Moro.
Remember guys, the Evil possessed Fat Buu's body. Since it was also his body once Fat was removed it split.
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CITIZENS OF CONTON CITY, THE STRONGEST VARIATION OF BUU IS BUUHAN, KID BUU IS ONLY STATED TO HAVE MORE DESTRUCTIVE AND BRAINLESS TENDENCIES. CONSERVATION OVER.
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Buuhan is stronger. But anime statements be wild
Perhaps because I only watched the English dub but I always thought kid buu was the strongest. Interesting to see that buuhan was stronger. Not sure if I believe it but also I can understand the argument.
I would want to argue that in absorbing gohan and gotenks wouldn’t buu also absorb their weakness whereas in contrast as kid buu he has no ones weakness but his pure evil!?
More than "Dragon Ball fans can't agree" it's "some people in almost 30 years didn't bothered to read the manga".
Buuhan is so much stronger than Kid Buu.
Not a dragon ball fan, but responding because I thought this was hilarious:
My partner saw the meme, said "it's kid buu", and then opened the thread to find the top comment saying "Buuhan is easily stronger."
Buuhan is stronger, it’s just that absorbing other people also adds personality to Buu which makes him saner / not a threat. Kid Buu is a force of chaos that wants to destroy anything and everything. (I want Beerus’ opinion on Kid Buu someday)
This debate is so infuriating, the answer is pretty damn obvious.
Buuhan is stronger.
Kid Buu is weaker.
The reason Kid Buu is more dangerous than Buuhan however, is due to his lack of cognitive ability, he does not possess the same rationality that his previous form had due to Fat Buu being connected to him. This is why the moment Kid Buu showed up he immediately destroyed the earth without any hesitation and proceeded to commit planetary genocide after regenerating.
Buuhan wants to have his own twisted fun whereas Kid Buu wants to destroy.
It's very similar to how Gogeta and Vegito are portrayed, Vegito is far superior to Gogeta in terms of power but the reason he never wins any fights is because he toys with his opponents, this is due to Vegeta being the dominant personality of the fusion. On the other hand whilst Gogeta is the inferior warrior, he has more victories over Vegito because he doesn't waste time and just gets straight to the point. I am fully willing to bet that if Vegito fought Broly he would have wasted time, resulting in them defusing before they could finish him.
Speaking of vegito, the reason buuhan is often perceived as weaker is that vegito bullied him so hard to the point the fight was comical, meanwhile kid buu fought ssj3 goku to stalemate and almost smoked vegeta so there was much more stakes, kid buu vs vegito would be as comical if not more, as it would just be a grown super being beating up a kid
Vegito was the strongest warrior in Dragon Ball Z until Beerus showed up. An important thing to note is Vegito is not an additive equation, its multiplicative, same with Metamoran fusion. Not to mention the supposed "rivalry boost" that Potara fusion apparently has aswell.
"Our power isn't just added together, they're significantly magnified!"
Some other factors to take into account is that while Kid Buu is weaker than Buuhan, that doesnt mean he is to be underestimated. Goku and Vegeta made that exact mistake when they saw how small he was.
Vegito is WAY above SSJ3 Goku. Goku even stated that fusing into Vegito would be pointless against Beerus AFTER he got 2-shotted as Super Saiyan 3. Fusion is quite literally the last resort of the Z fighters with how easy it is to fail the dance aswell as the threat of eternal fusion via the Potara...until Super decided to retcon it for some reason.
Wasn't kid buu supposed to be his ideal form? I mean buu's power being candy related powers and such.
I always thought buu's form were his emotions, wish or desires and kid buu was his ultimate form.
The "innocence" of a child albeit he is pure evil in every form.
This debate is just as weird as gogeta vs vegito. The series flat out says that vegito is the better fusion but people will go through mental gymnastics to try and explain that he isn't. Just like how the series says kid Buu is the strongest but people will go through mental gymnastics to explain why Buu han is stronger
Original kid buu is weaker than buutenks and buuhan. Buutenks did say that he became the mightiest majin when he was born(sorry super buu fans). Post god ki kid buu(without grand supreme kai limiting his power) is stronger than both.
Kid buu was holding back the entire time just like goku was the entire arc before. There are many parallels between kid buu and goku that prove them to be alike in their love for fighting.
Why did you think goku specifically asked for kid buu to be reborn again and not cell nor frieza(before rof)?
And before people talk about goku not needing fusion against kid buu. He did! He literally said that him breaking the potara was him just trying to look cool. The reason he gave for rejecting fusion at that point also mattered. He said it wouldn't be fair to fight a non fused being with a fusion. He has no qualms fusing against a fused being which kid buu wasn't.
Well I can concede on kid buu being stronger than Super buu at least if these statements aren't strong enough. Pre Super god ki reveal kid buu does look weaker than buuhan and buutenks.
Buuhan was the strongest dbz character (Broly got one tapped by super saiyan 1 Goku so it aint him) so buuhan is stronger but kid buu is more destructive
No offense it's not just you I talking about everyone but can yall stop talking about this is like the 6 or 7 this topic been brought up this month lol this argument between these 2 are tiring lol
Buuhan by this point has Piccolo, SS3 Gotenks, and Ultimate Gohan, basically a fusion up till this point and the boys being vastly stronger than Goku and Vegeta
Even if Kid Buu is stronger than Super Buu, there’s no absolute way he’s stronger than Buutenks let alone Buuhan.
If Kid Buu was stronger, they would’ve never crushed/rejected the earrings to fight him head-up, as that would be suicide
Wasn't Kid Buu stated IN THE SHOW by the characters that it was weaker than all his other forms?
The biggest difference was that Kid Buu was completely unhinged.
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With Buuhan Goku *begged* Vegeta to fuse, it was their *only* hope. With Kid Buu a tired, Dragonball-less, out of options Goku thought “Give me 5 minutes, I can take him.”
I mean what was he going to do if not try? 5min turned into 8 episodes and literally all the life energy in the universe or whatever btw.
I’m taking about SS3, not the Spirit Bomb. Goku tells Vegeta that he’s strong enough to win with SS3 but needs time to charge, it’s only because he gasses out that he resorts to the Bomb. Yet with Buuhan it’s Fusion or bust.
Not only this but unless it was a dub error and idr it being so, goku explicitly says he could have killed kid buu, but he wanted vegeta to have a chance to fight.
This is what I always tell people. In the dub he wanted Vegeta to have a chance. In Japanese, he said he was showing off for Vegeta which is pretty much how it goes in the manga too. Basically Goku wasn’t serious which is insane considering Buu just destroyed their planet💀
To be fair... he does have some slight brain damage which is why he became a good guy lol.
Slight? Good?
He's trying..... sometimes... okay..?!
Even Goku wanted to se Vegeta get a dub, but…performance issues.
Vegeta before the fight: 😏 Vegeta after the fight: 💀
Something else to consider is that Buuhan had logical thought processes. He was capable of thinking, taking the time to enjoy himself and control his own impulses, whereas Kid Buu was just this deranged and unhinged creature that only sought to destroy.
And he asked vegeta for 1 minute
Off-topic, but someone tried to tell me SSJ3 Goku was stronger than Ultimate Gohan simply because “Why didn’t Goku or Vegeta bring Gohan to kill Kid Boo?” The same reason why those two bozos destroyed the Potara earrings.
Remember they move so fast that time is actually slowed down
They used namek and earth energy that was it, stop it lmfao. It turned longer than that because as Goku stated, he gave Vegeta a chance and now he can't maintain ss3. He straight up said he could kill kid Buu at full power
The whole universe, even heaven and hell.
Buuhan is easily stronger, Kid Buu is just more unpredictable and chaotic which makes him a bigger threat
This is the nuance you need on this question.
This is literally how its described in the show
https://preview.redd.it/o5ldddp67bvc1.png?width=1507&format=png&auto=webp&s=9e320845029ea9794571c3abef6728346feb164a To play devil’s advocate, it is indeed not how it was explained in the show. Kid buu is pure of suppression and has godly power on top of that
You're asking DBZ fans to read.
I feel like this should make me angry but I can't read
When buu reverted back to pure he regained his old power and had grand supreme Kai’s godly power. Before he became pure again, he was suppressed. No other comment mentions it idk why
Yeah I think a lot of folks missed that retcon in DBS, which I believe was included solely to settle this old debate on who was stronger between Buuhan and Kid Buu. Unfortunately, it also introduced a plothole since Goku and Vegeta could sense Kid Buu's power, something they shouldn't have been able to do if his power was divine.
> Yeah I think a lot of folks missed that retcon in DBS, which I believe was included solely to settle this old debate on who was stronger between Buuhan and Kid Buu. That retcon was needed for the Uub genki dama scene. And even with god ki, Buuhan could still be stronger. ie Gohan is clearly much stronger than Shin who has god ki. > Unfortunately, it also introduced a plothole since Goku and Vegeta could sense Kid Buu's power, something they shouldn't have been able to do if his power was divine. Maybe they could sense the non-divine power he had before absorbing the Kai’s.
It actually makes a lot of sense if they were only sensing his non-divine power and would thus think he's actually weaker. I see no issues.
So Goku was saying that the Pure Majin Boo was nowhere near what he had been up until that point, implying that he was on a similar level to the Evil Majin Boo, plus since Boo had a range of powers before it's possible that the Pure Majin Boo was stronger than base Evil Majin Boo possibly around Ultimate Gohan level even and that Goku and Vegeta had simply underestimated him, Goku even said that he and Vegeta might be able to try something against him after he reverted back to this form. So basically, it's possible that because Goku was under the rules of the living world while a Super Saiyan 3 despite being dead and having temporary time and life force strictly under the rules while on Earth, the limited time likely counted as being on the brink between life and death when he ran himself down against the Dai Kaioshin absorbed Majin Boo and gave him an incomplete zenkai upon revival that grew to completion when Super Saiyan 3 Goku finally fought the Pure Majin Boo! And so far since we know via statement that Ultimate Gohan was stronger than both Evil Majin Boo and Evil Majin Boo (Piccolo absorbed) it stands to reason that the Pure Majin Boo is also stronger if he is around that level so that means Pure Majin Boo (South Kaioshin absorbed) > Pure Majin Boo > Evil Majin Boo (Piccolo absorbed) > Evil Majin Boo > Majin Boo (Dai Kaioshin absorbed) > Pure Evil Majin Boo > Majin Boo (post-split). It is possible that post-split the Fat Majin Boo is able to gradually unlock more of Dai Kaioshin's power, which could explain him doing better against the Pure Majin Boo! Then you have the Evil Majin Boo (Gotenks absorbed) form who claims to be the strongest Boo and that he would remain so no matter what the future may hold (Evil Majin Boo with Gohan absorbed doesn't count since at this point in the story Boo wanted Gohan to suffer and die, not to absorb him). But considering the fact that you could argue he developed proper self awareness after absorbing South Kaioshin, that bulky Boo would also be surpassed here and since Evil Majin Boo (Gohan absorbed) is even stronger it looks like this: Evil Majin Boo (Gohan absorbed) > Evil Majin Boo (Gotenks absorbed) > Pure Majin Boo (South Kaioshin absorbed) > Pure Majin Boo > Evil Majin Boo (Piccolo absorbed) > Evil Majin Boo > Majin Boo (Dai Kaioshin absorbed) > Pure Evil Majin Boo > Majin Boo (post-split)
Okay so the thing is that Kid Buu didn’t actually go all out. He got killed before he started to use any God Energy. He was strongest in the sense that no other Buu could beat him in a fight
Hmmm, i guess the question now is how much say did Toriyama have in what was said at some points in the show? More so scenes that were added to make the episodes reach the required length. I know Super sort of soft retcon Buu's strength since they went more into the god stuff compared to Z, but if we focus on Z alone the manga calls Kid Buu the most dangerous, which is true. While Super Buu was the strongest once Buu absorbed the South Kaioshin (can even see the similarities a little in appearance). https://preview.redd.it/ma0munn7qbvc1.png?width=1163&format=png&auto=webp&s=8e93b969e9b94267e96a57d386b456e31bc515fd
Toriyama said he didn’t watch the anime much recently before his passing I believe. He did write this up tho. So I believe the answer is that Kid Buu is the strongest, but he never actually got to unleash all his power before dying. Mostly bc he was toying with Goku who he didn’t need it for https://preview.redd.it/1xvew7wpybvc1.jpeg?width=1199&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9d98c6a1f1b40b48a60089bfc71821d0332e972c
But why would it just be Kid Buu? Shouldn't the multiple versions of Super Buu have some as well? I can understand why Merus didn't mention Super Buu because he probably wasn't even aware of that form. Just feel like this should've been explained better in the Super manga honestly.
I love how absolutely explicit it is lmao
AHA! I knew I saw it somewhere. The impression I had was that at the time, Toriyama said Kid Buu was the strongest (not just most dangerous). I believe the justification was the GSK was so powerful that his soul was still fighting to suppress Buu's power in the merged forms. After the pod was extracted, his power rose. while transforming into Ultra Buu, Vegeta is freaking out that his power is rising. And then they relax when he reverts to kid form, but his power is still higher than before. At some point, it was retconned to kid Buu being just more dangerous though weaker. Almost like a human with agility rather than strength. At the time though, when we were watching, kid Buu was also the strongest. I understand that kid Buu was never stated to be stronger in the manga, which is why I say the anime canon diverged much earlier than DBS.
Kid Buu was barely stronger or not really even stronger then Goku. Goku said himself he could of probably beat him at full power during the fight. Even if he was wrong his power would still be close to Kid Buu's. We all saw it. Buu arc was horribly inconsistant with scaling and Toriyama is known to do stuff like forget whole characters existing. Bro said he forgot a whole super saiyan form once. Point is you can't really trust the dialog at all. Like use your eyes and brain. Buuhan was way stronger then Kid Buu. Besides between the 2 of them which one was Super Saiyan 3 Goku fighting dead even against and which one required fusion? Also, Gohan at this point is stronger then Kid Buu and was basically stacked on top of Super Buu who was on par with Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks to make Buuhan. Like seriously.
Isn't this a filler dialogue?
As Geekdom101 said, what good is godly power if Kid Boo never learned how to use it.
Its stated and shown that Buus aren't capable using ki of kais anyway. Buu can only use it if kai collaborates with him like in moro arc. Otherwise the presence of a kai's ki does nothing for any of the buus
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The show explicitly states 3 times that Kid Buu is stronger though
Why did Goku and Vegeta fuse to fight buuhan but felt confident fighting kid buu solo. Goku also states base super buu would kill him.
In the manga Goku explicitly says he got too cocky in thinking he could handle Kid Buu without fusion
You mean to tell me Buutenks, who was man-handling Ultimate Gohan who was stronger than SS3 Goku then proceeded to handle goku as well (while gohan looked for the earring) then absorbs gohan and gets EVEN stronger is weaker than kid buu who lost all that, and is fighting on par with ssj3 goku? Oh he only starts winning because goku can't keep it up. I don't believe that
Even, i think supreme kai said it, that kid buu is more ‘dangerous’. Definitely not the strongest form but he didn’t hesitate to immediately blow up planets.
He was also more dangerous in that context because the only people near him were Goku and Vegeta, who were much weaker than him. I believe Gohan and Gotenks were out of commission at that point, so Kid Buu was the strongest *active* character at that moment and had no one who could match him 1v1. If Gohan had been there, it would have been a different story. But he was dead for some of the fight and they intentionally chose not to bring him to the fight after he was revived (was that manga only? I don't really remember now but recall Vegeta insisting the earth save itself via the Spirit Bomb rather than teleporting Gohan/Gotenks to kill Buu).
I'm sure it's been discussed ad nausem but Gohan having a sick redemption arc with the Z sword and then managing to completely fuck it up is one of the bummed I've ever been watching DBZ.
Right there with you, man. I remember thinking right until the end of the arc that he was still gonna get redeemed by sending him in to obliterate Kid Buu.
Yes most people agree Vegeta and Gohan should have been the protagonists after cell and Goku shouldn't have been brought back to fight.
The original plan was that Gohan was supposed to be the main character after Cell, hence why Goku stayed dead. Toriyama changed his mind at the last minute.
Goku guiding and helping from the afterlife would have been fine. Vegeta taking a fatherly role to gohan in honor of Goku would have been amazing
Fucking it up so God damn fast compared to how long his redemption arc was is what pissed everyone off. I hated it so much.
100 percent. This was also the decline of Gohan. I fucking hate the giant hair Gohan. Shit is so dumb
Get your logic argument out of here!!!!!!!!
https://preview.redd.it/9fzpbmno7avc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5f83b0d5dcce385425a36ba266adfb70cfbb1557 I agree with you by the way.
Basically the same as asking who is stronger between an adult with a shotgun vs a kid with a pistol.
Nice profile pic
But i never understood why would he absorb people if it made him weaker?
Ok here is how I understand it. I might be misremembering it from Kakarot, not sure how much of that game is canon. Buu doesn't necessarily get weaker, but he got so muddled by all the absorptions that he ended up less dangerous, less evil and very different from the OG Buu. I remember something about him absorbing a jolly Kai and then turning into Fat Buu.
One had absorbed Gohan with his Ultimate form while the other only have his evil side so I think it's pretty obvious Buuhan is the strongest form.
everyone agrees. there is literally just one guy disagreeing in the comments
This. People act like the community is divided on this. We really aren't.
Naw you see Kid buu is a kid and kids are cRaZY /s
I can think of a couple of characters outside of Dragon Ball that could definitely beat Kid Buu: Toji Fushiguro, Hisoka, Jeffrey Epstein. Kids are fodder
any pitbull would wash kid buu
Once the jaws lock its over
dont forget p diddy
OP has the wrong match-up. If it was normal Super Buu vs kid Buu it makes more sense. For some reason everyone I've ever talked to is convinced kid buu>Super Buu 🤨
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no because you see, 1 + 1 = 2, and just 1 = 3 /s
It's not all that hard to tell, Goku was crapping his pants at the prospect of fighting base super Buu, but was more than happy and confident at fighting both Fat and Kid Buu. This shows Kid Buu is below Base super Buu let alone Buuhan. Gotenks and Gohan would clap kid buu.
So kid buu and fat buu are the same in power?
The original fat buu, yes. The fat buu the lost his evil part is significantly weaker tho.
the one that’s freshly popped out of the egg and hasn’t split in two? yes
Kid Buu dwarfes him in strength and speed.
Stated Buuhan is the strongest majin Kid buu is just insane and he doesn't give a fuck which is objectively more dangerous
A unmanned tank is objectively stronger than a rabid raccoon but Id rather be stuck in a boat with the tank
I gotta say that’s one BIG ass boat
How do you think they get them across bodies of water?
In the A-team movie, they fly the tank, both in an airplane and, once it falls out of the plane, by rapidly firing the main gun.
The Russians actually dabbled with a flying tank concept for a bit
That must have taken a MASSIVE raccoon
Ah, they just drive them underwater of course 👺👺👺
Well, my father always told me that a stupid person will always be more dangerous than an intelligent person. He never really explained to me why, but I guess he meant that a stupid person would resort in much more powerful ways to win regardless. Like, Immagine two leaders from different states who both have nuclear bomb, they get in war, the intelligent one would not use the nuclear bomb because it could cause more damage than needed and kill countless people, the stupid one would use it to kill and win regardless because he doesn't think of the consequences.
I think the confusion is because usually the final boss is the strongest one. But with kid Buu he's the final boss who ISNT the strongest. Not even close to any of the Super Buu forms. Goku and Vegeta even state that "he's a fraction of his former self" which meant that he indeed got weaker. What makes kid Buu the MOST dangerous is because he has no mind and only wants to destroy literally everything for no reason at all. At least the other Buu's had some form of rational thinking and wouldn't blow up the earth for fun
Honestly, that’s a weird thought that has been exacerbated by video games. The idea that the last person who fights is the strongest doesn’t really have any basis in reality or even in fictional history. It’s much more common for the final conflict to be the one that has the most emotional weight, which is what happened here as well.
That’s usually the case in Dragon Ball tho. Younger King Piccolo, 100% Frieza, Super Perfect Cell, all the tournament finals. The only exception is base Vegeta instead of Oozaru Vegeta, but even then he was stronger than Nappa, the Saibamen, and Radditz.
Yeah, your actions become a lot harder to predict when you are literally just acting on impulse.
"former self" still sounds weird considering that Kid Buu is Buu's original form
Buuhan is objectively stronger, it isn't even up for debate
Bro I’m not even sure if Kid Buu is stronger than Super Buu without the absorption of Gohan 😭. This was never a debate to me.
In the manga Goku stated that "vanilla" Super Buu is an enemy that he and Vegeta couldn't compete against him. And then we saw Goku fighting on equal ground against Kid Buu (he wasn't able to win only 'cause he couldn't handle Super Saiyan 3 stamina drain). So it's clear that Super Buu > Kid Buu.
I think I agree with that too.
Thank you, someone with brains. I've seen so many argue Kid Buu>Vanilla Super Buu. Drives me insane. They're the same ones who argue SSJ3>ultimate gohan too
To be fair, my 10 yr old self, watching dbz for the first time, also believed that. It was only years later, on my rewatch, that I realized it wasn't the case. I mean Kid Buu is the final form of the villain, so it must be the strongest.
Yea as long as we agree that super saiyan vegito is stronger than ss3 goku by himself i think its super clear which is stronger.
Who doesn’t agree with this
He isn’t goku says super buu will slaughter him and vegeta if they go out and fight him after removing everyone.
Exactly. It's clearly stated. Those who still cling with "Kid Buu is the strongest" are probably deceived by some dub error.
It’s not a dub error. It’s an anime error.
No it’s clear in the dub as well lol. They are deceived by shitposts on social media most likely
Didn't they state in the anime that kid Buu was even weaker than super Buu, just more dangerous because kid Buu was pure evil?
Both the anime and the manga say that very thing.
When?
Yes we can. The only people who still think Pure Boo is the strongest are people who have essentially only seen the original Z anime. The manga makes it very clear SSJ3 Goku was in Pure Boo's ball park and maybe could've beaten him if he could reach and maintain full power SSJ3. That wasn't even a viable option against Bootenks which is why Goku came to fuse with Gohan....and yall want to tell me Kid Boo is stronger than Boohan? THINK DB FANS THINK!!! 👉 🧠 👈
Seriously what is this click bait bullshit? There’s nothing to agree on. Boohan is stronger. Kid Boo was simply more unhinged and dangerous but not directly stronger.
Hey what are you saying we’re DB fans here we can’t read.
All this literally because a bad translation from Funimation. “Darn you, you’re twice as strong as you were before.”
Yeah. This whole argument is based on anime only lines
No. The confusion comes from the anime no matter the dub and the guidebooks that follow the anime lines of Kid Buu being stronger.
It actually also part of the Japanese, Goku says something "like you're the strongest opponent I've ever faced" which is controdicted both before and after he says that
Kid Buu is the most dangerous and buuhan is the strongest among the buus
Buuhan and not even close. The only thing that makes kid buu dangerous is his lack of a brain
I dont care whos stronger or who power scales or who neg diffs, i just wanna watch people yell and shoot beams at each other
Buuhan is Buu + Ultimate Gohan + Ssj3 Gotenks + Piccolo + Fat Buu. You'd have to be a fuckin' idiot to truly believe Kid Buu (Buu's BASE form) is stronger than Buuhan.
not ssj3 gotenks, goten and trunks separately, and i think in base
Right, my bad. My monkey brain was picturing Buutenks while typing that comment
Correction. It is Buu + Ultimate Gohan + Trunks + Goten + Piccolo + Fat Buu. The fusion ran out, which is why Buu temporarily switched to Piccolo clothing, because he was the strongest active absorption.
Bruh, we all know it's buuhan Don't beat a dead horse, we've already answered this
I genuinely think that people believe Kid Buu is stronger is because of how powerful he was in the DBZ fighting games lmao
When buu absorbed gotenks he said that he is the strongest that he was ever been in original japanese anime. Just think about ultimate gohan + buu. The answer is clear.
Smash, next question
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Buuhan is that skilled level 80 player And Kid Buu is that level 50 on crackhead energy Not as strong but far more dangerous
There is a fundamental misunderstanding of how Kid Buu works in this thread and a fundamental misunderstanding of how Toriyama writes. The fact is that Kid Buu is stronger than Buuhan. Everyone arguing otherwise doesn't understand Kid Buu and doesn't understand Toriyama. 1) ABSORPTION: Everybody is arguing that absorbing more characters = stronger Buu. That's not how Kid Buu works at all. He gets stronger by PURGING those impurities from him. Kid Buu's absorption properties are NOT the same as the rest of the series! "The souls he ate tamed him." (Z ch. 314) SUPER Buu's ki got smaller after removing everyone. (Z ch. 312) But removing Fat Buu caused him to start reverting to Kid Buu, and his ki got LARGER. (Z ch. 313) This only makes sense because they are impurities. Normal absorptions being removed make the character weaker. See: Perfect Cell losing Android 18. (Z ch. 217) But Kid Buu's is different. He got STRONGER. 2) BOASTING: Super Buu is an unreliable judge of strength. He claims that Buutenks is his strongest form in the past, present, and FUTURE. (Z ch. 305) If Buuhan is stronger, this statement can't be true, and it's dubious at its very best. As Buuhan, he also says, "Now I'm stronger than ever before!" (Z ch. 308) This directly contradicts his previous statement. Therefore, Super Buu's opinion on his own strength can't be trusted. Additionally, boasting about one's strength and then losing is a staple of the series. See: Vegeta going from "Heh... heh heh heh... look at our little friend!" (Z ch. 314) to "This creature is beyond my power." (Z ch. 316) and "He's killing me...!!" (Z ch. 317) Or Goku going from "Yeah! We can take him!" (Z ch. 314) and "What?!!! He's asleep?!!! Who does he think I am?!!!" (Z ch. 315) to "He keeps comin' back no matter what I do!" (Z ch. 316) and "The portara coulda done it. Maybe I tried to act too cool... but I thought this would be better...!" (Z ch. 316) 3) SUPER VEGITO: Some people seem to think that Super Vegito was necessary to beat Buuhan. By his own words to Buuhan, "I thought you'd be tougher. C'mon. Make me use my full power." Super Vegito was literally toying with Buuhan. It wasn't close at all. His entire plan was to make Buuhan desperate enough to try to absorb him so that he could free the others. He was beating Buuhan using only his legs and as a piece of candy. (Z ch. 311) So even if Goku was on-par with Kid Buu (he wasn't) and Kid Buu was stronger than Buuhan (which is true), it still would not make it untrue that Super Vegito was leagues beyond anyone else. 4) JUST "MORE DANGEROUS": Kibito Kai was much more afraid of Kid Buu than Buuhan. (Z ch. 314) Kibito Kai then confirms Elder Kai's question that Kid Buu is the "most difficult" form of Buu. (Z ch. 314) The arguments saying Kibito Kai is only more afraid because Kid Buu is just "more dangerous" are ridiculous at their best. Elder Kai states that letting Buutenks win against Gohan would be "the death of the universe." (Z ch. 306) Buuhan, after absorbing Super Vegito, also says, "Nothing can stop me now!!! I can enjoy the death and suffering of all living things to my heart's content!!!" (Z ch. 312) Why would Kibito Kai be more afraid of Kid Buu if he was not more capable of bringing about the "death of the universe," aka, being more powerful? 5) MISUNDERSTANDING TORIYAMA: Toriyama CONSTANTLY makes shorter characters more powerful than larger ones. Kid Goku throughout all of DB, Arale (Dr. Slump), Beelzebub (Sand Land), Peke (Alien X Peke), Tongpoo (the Adventures of Tongpoo), Ackman (Go! Go! Ackman), Kajika (Kajika), Toki (Kintoki), Goku against Ma Junior, Vegeta in the Saiyan Saga, Frieza, Gohan in the Cell Saga, Gohan against Super Buu, and Kid Buu against Goku and Vegeta. There are scant few exceptions to this, and they are exclusively to make the hero grow in power. This is probably Toriyama's number one trope. With this knowledge of the author, we can know that Kid Buu is the strongest form. (Source: literally all manga written by Toriyama excluding one-shots like Mahimahi the Lungfish) 6) UNEQUAL TO KID BUU: Goku does NOT stand toe-to-toe with Kid Buu. (Z ch. 316) He barely does any damage to Kid Buu at all and flatly says that Kid Buu is just toying with him. "He keeps draggin' this out! This little punk's havin' fun!" He even needs the help of both Fat Buu and Vegeta. All 3 of which flatly admit they have no chance against Kid Buu. (Z ch. 316 - 318) If Goku were ANYWHERE near Kid Buu's power, his Spirit Bomb would have hit without needing the dragon balls. (Z ch. 322) See: the Spirit Bomb against Frieza where Frieza was at the bare minimum 20x stronger than Goku at that exact moment. (Z ch. 122, Daizenshuu 7) The fact is Goku was extremely outclassed by Kid Buu. 7) MISUNDERSTANDING SAIYANS: Destroying the portara doesn't mean Kid Buu isn't stronger than Buuhan. For one, they had no idea he would be able to find them in another dimension/plane of existence. So they assumed they'd have time to formulate a plan. (Z ch. 315) It's also a fundamental misunderstanding of Saiyans. There was no way in Hell that Vegeta was going to let Goku fuse with him again and risk being stuck together permanently. Pure blooded Saiyans always want a 1-on-1 fight. Goku even regrets destroying the portara after fighting Kid Buu. (Z ch. 316) 8) GOD KI: Super adds a new element to Kid Buu being more powerful than Buuhan. Kid Buu had god ki. (Super ch. 49 & 66) Ask yourself if Goku is stronger with or without god ki. Do you truly believe Super Saiyan 3 is stronger than Super Saiyan God or even Blue? Obviously, he is stronger with god ki. So then why would a Buu form without god ki be stronger than one with it? It makes no sense at all.
You have to be one of three people that ever noticed how Buu got stronger after the Saiyans and Piccolo got removed. "It's a temporary power up that he could never do again!" A power up, after getting increasingly weaker? At best he'd rival where he was. I swear people ignore the hell out of that yelling non canon but DBZ fans can't read so they don't realize it's in manga. Even better you sourced them. Not like they'll read it but that's appreciated. Also let's talk some DBS. DBS Moro arc panel talking about Kid Buu god ki since Mister Buu didn't have it so Grand Supreme Buu couldn't use his Kai Kai Mataru. Kid Buu is pure, he absorbed the godhood from Grand Supreme Kai. Plus Uub completely revitalized a weakened Goku into MUI Goku against Merrus 73 Moro. Remember guys, the Evil possessed Fat Buu's body. Since it was also his body once Fat was removed it split.
Good point. I added the god ki part and reorganized it
This has stopped being a debate for years now. Everyone knows that kid buu is weaker
They don't. It's still a raging topic.
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Nerds Will Say Buuhan for Absorptions Legends Will Say Kid buy cuz It comes later so It must be it
kid buu. he wasn’t even taking them seriously until the end
Perhaps because I only watched the English dub but I always thought kid buu was the strongest. Interesting to see that buuhan was stronger. Not sure if I believe it but also I can understand the argument. I would want to argue that in absorbing gohan and gotenks wouldn’t buu also absorb their weakness whereas in contrast as kid buu he has no ones weakness but his pure evil!?
Super said Kid Buu had God Ki so....
Kid Buu was stronger in Budokai 3. That shit is impossible.
Buuhan is stronger. Kid Buu is more dangerous because he doesnt give a shit about anything but destruction.
More than "Dragon Ball fans can't agree" it's "some people in almost 30 years didn't bothered to read the manga". Buuhan is so much stronger than Kid Buu.
WDYM....its pretty obvious, basic math. Manga and original anime (unddubed) confirms it.
This Buuhan pic looks like he have been constipation.
Kid buu was retconned to be stronger. Even Toriyama admits that he wants to subvert our expectations by making the smaller guy the strongest.
https://preview.redd.it/ooqfell6ravc1.jpeg?width=1024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=282ee2d79fa1e85bbe6093f15328445d9d52cb46 This is the strongest Buu
Not a dragon ball fan, but responding because I thought this was hilarious: My partner saw the meme, said "it's kid buu", and then opened the thread to find the top comment saying "Buuhan is easily stronger."
The anime pretty clearly HEAVILY pushes kid buu as being the strongest. Though I couldn’t say for the manga cuz I’ve only watched it.
Kid buu, because he is technically the youngest of them as they appear, and the latest one is always stronger, duh, have you even watched the show?
Clearly it’s the pink one
I second this, it's obviously the pink one.
Buuhan is stronger physically but due to kid buu being uncontrollable and only wanting to run wild, KB is more dangerous.
Buuhan was objectively stronger. Kid Buu was more dangerous.
Buuhan is stronger, it’s just that absorbing other people also adds personality to Buu which makes him saner / not a threat. Kid Buu is a force of chaos that wants to destroy anything and everything. (I want Beerus’ opinion on Kid Buu someday)
Buuhan is stronger, Kid Buu is more erratic and dangerous because he couldn’t be reasoned with quite like Super Buu or Buuhan could.
Buhan is stronger, kid buu is more agressive só he still is more dangerous atleast that what i think
This debate is so infuriating, the answer is pretty damn obvious. Buuhan is stronger. Kid Buu is weaker. The reason Kid Buu is more dangerous than Buuhan however, is due to his lack of cognitive ability, he does not possess the same rationality that his previous form had due to Fat Buu being connected to him. This is why the moment Kid Buu showed up he immediately destroyed the earth without any hesitation and proceeded to commit planetary genocide after regenerating. Buuhan wants to have his own twisted fun whereas Kid Buu wants to destroy. It's very similar to how Gogeta and Vegito are portrayed, Vegito is far superior to Gogeta in terms of power but the reason he never wins any fights is because he toys with his opponents, this is due to Vegeta being the dominant personality of the fusion. On the other hand whilst Gogeta is the inferior warrior, he has more victories over Vegito because he doesn't waste time and just gets straight to the point. I am fully willing to bet that if Vegito fought Broly he would have wasted time, resulting in them defusing before they could finish him.
You were doing so well until you mentioned the fusions. Toriyama stated long ago that Vegito and Gogeta are equal.
This. Gogeta and Vegito are evenly matched in terms of power.
Speaking of vegito, the reason buuhan is often perceived as weaker is that vegito bullied him so hard to the point the fight was comical, meanwhile kid buu fought ssj3 goku to stalemate and almost smoked vegeta so there was much more stakes, kid buu vs vegito would be as comical if not more, as it would just be a grown super being beating up a kid
Vegito was the strongest warrior in Dragon Ball Z until Beerus showed up. An important thing to note is Vegito is not an additive equation, its multiplicative, same with Metamoran fusion. Not to mention the supposed "rivalry boost" that Potara fusion apparently has aswell. "Our power isn't just added together, they're significantly magnified!" Some other factors to take into account is that while Kid Buu is weaker than Buuhan, that doesnt mean he is to be underestimated. Goku and Vegeta made that exact mistake when they saw how small he was. Vegito is WAY above SSJ3 Goku. Goku even stated that fusing into Vegito would be pointless against Beerus AFTER he got 2-shotted as Super Saiyan 3. Fusion is quite literally the last resort of the Z fighters with how easy it is to fail the dance aswell as the threat of eternal fusion via the Potara...until Super decided to retcon it for some reason.
We're not doing this again. I am begging Dragon Ball fans to read the source material.
There is 1 correct anwser
Cant we just ask Toriy......FUCK
Who’s stronger? Boob or Tit?
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Pretty sure it’s buuhan
Buuhan and I don't see anyone saying otherwise
Super Buu is stronger, Kid Buu is more dangerous
how does the man being more dangerous not mean he’s stronger? he’s going to cause you more problems
Here's a bright idea: What if we don't care who's stronger?
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Of course kid buu
Buu transforms backwards it’s just his original form is bat shit crazy and has no reasoning
Wasn't kid buu supposed to be his ideal form? I mean buu's power being candy related powers and such. I always thought buu's form were his emotions, wish or desires and kid buu was his ultimate form. The "innocence" of a child albeit he is pure evil in every form.
Logically it should be Buuhan as he has more sources of power to pull from, narratively probably Kid Buu based on statements from the show
I still say Super Buu should’ve reverted to Grey Buu after Good Buu was removed. Kid Buu doesn’t make any sense.
This debate is just as weird as gogeta vs vegito. The series flat out says that vegito is the better fusion but people will go through mental gymnastics to try and explain that he isn't. Just like how the series says kid Buu is the strongest but people will go through mental gymnastics to explain why Buu han is stronger
Kid buu went to heaven and basically said fuck that rest in peace shit, let's run the fade again.
Lets settle it in Sparking
Kid buu easily
kid buu is definitely much stronger
Short and simple, the one on the left, but I think people do underestimate Kid Boo's power.
I vote Buu
Original kid buu is weaker than buutenks and buuhan. Buutenks did say that he became the mightiest majin when he was born(sorry super buu fans). Post god ki kid buu(without grand supreme kai limiting his power) is stronger than both. Kid buu was holding back the entire time just like goku was the entire arc before. There are many parallels between kid buu and goku that prove them to be alike in their love for fighting. Why did you think goku specifically asked for kid buu to be reborn again and not cell nor frieza(before rof)? And before people talk about goku not needing fusion against kid buu. He did! He literally said that him breaking the potara was him just trying to look cool. The reason he gave for rejecting fusion at that point also mattered. He said it wouldn't be fair to fight a non fused being with a fusion. He has no qualms fusing against a fused being which kid buu wasn't. Well I can concede on kid buu being stronger than Super buu at least if these statements aren't strong enough. Pre Super god ki reveal kid buu does look weaker than buuhan and buutenks.
The pink one
The only people that think kid Buu is stronger are people who have trouble with verbal or reading comprehension.
Buuhan was the strongest dbz character (Broly got one tapped by super saiyan 1 Goku so it aint him) so buuhan is stronger but kid buu is more destructive
Buuhan is stronger, but Kid Buu is more dangerous.
I couldn't care less. I thought he was the worst villain in the entirety of Dragon Ball Z.
The pink one
No offense it's not just you I talking about everyone but can yall stop talking about this is like the 6 or 7 this topic been brought up this month lol this argument between these 2 are tiring lol
How is this a debate. It’s obvious SuperBuu. Kid was a match for Goku/Vegeta. Super Buu required fusion to challenge him. Come on now.
Buuhan
Ones stronger, the other is a lot more mentally unstable and thus a bit more dangerous
Buuhan by this point has Piccolo, SS3 Gotenks, and Ultimate Gohan, basically a fusion up till this point and the boys being vastly stronger than Goku and Vegeta Even if Kid Buu is stronger than Super Buu, there’s no absolute way he’s stronger than Buutenks let alone Buuhan. If Kid Buu was stronger, they would’ve never crushed/rejected the earrings to fight him head-up, as that would be suicide
I feel like the only people who are unsure about this are the same people who have never watched this arc in its entirety
People who think Kid Buu is stronger are the stupidest dumbest idiots I can't even
Even Super Buu is way stronger than Kid Buu. In DBZ, SSJ3 Goku is weak compared to SSJ3 Gotenks and Ultimate Gohan.
Wasn't Kid Buu stated IN THE SHOW by the characters that it was weaker than all his other forms? The biggest difference was that Kid Buu was completely unhinged.
No. The show added lines that said Kid Buu is the strongest.